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to one off course, during the qualifying ground. not least for sports heroes, actually, it was a slap in the face, but now we just have to fight their mobilizing superpowers. i'm fired up and ready down during walk down the lucky go to tokyo starts july 19. d w the now were meeting the women who champions culture and the german government. we simply had to communicate this in all the cove debates. thought there must we really scream at the top of our lungs the me to call on you. of course, in this context, debates about colonialism are bound to arise. but i think it's
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a good ones for me to what you meant to be in the i hope and wish that visitors the forum will leave the building with an enriched experience. there is more that unites us than what devices and the me house is for come off to welcome to the german chancellor in berlin. yet the stock. this is where the federal commissioner for culture and the media. monica cut us holds office and of course ms . cortez years german cultural policy, georgia crew to politic for, for us is miss cut us. you've been in office for over 7 years now. and your 2nd term is at the end in the fall. you once said it's the best job in the world. is that still how you feel? wonderful. yeah. to them finish your mon also know today. yes,
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i still feel that way. and that's my own subject to view. but given my background, this is in fact, the nicest job i could imagine. and i'm grateful to anglo merkel that i could serve a 2nd time as her minister of state. so culture and media here in the chancery where i can help shape federal cultural policy compared on an international level. i think this is quite unique. not only because i believe i am currently the longest serving minister of culture in europe, but also because in my view, germany does quite a lot for its culture compared to other countries being able to play a key role in shaping policy is a huge value to me both on a personal level as well as on a greater political level. and i do my job with great enthusiasm and passion. and whoever's on his muscle does make was up a guy. so good line, soft as he couldn't. you can share policies as you deem best. we've prepared to
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look back at your time in office. let's watch it now. the monica has been the federal commissioner for cushion since 2013 music literature, theater opera on cinema. her bread and butter on her passion. during her term, she has that is greater significance to germany's culture department. its budget has grown by 2 thirds reaching over 2000000000 euros. these resources are also used to fund develop another focus that the funding of german film productions and over $450000000.00 euros are spent each year to increase germany sure of the world's phil market and strength. and it's foothold as a filling location. this group is a member of the center, right christian democratic party faced stiff resistance from the art world. when passing the cultural property protection act, her aim is to prevent the illegal trading of antiquities and just take
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responsibility for other countries. cultural heritage. now germany strictly regulates the import and export of art. in 2013, the good case, a spectacular find of 1500 pieces of art. the light on the dark issue of nazi looted artwork, monica brutus fought for a more thorough research in providence, and raised awareness of the need to rest that you looted art from hello neil times . are humble for listen to the huge project. the exhibition spaces inside the reconstructed city palace were not only difficult to construct difficult questions such as to deal with stolen art. the museum of the 20th century is still taking shape and berlin. and it will host major works of modern art. the one of monica group is theorists, projects is the beethoven jubilee. even though many concerts had to be cancelled
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due to the covert, the pandemic, the vendor of the call went up and looking back at the covert pandemic, it must have been one of the greatest challenges of your term and office. what impacted you personally? the most often in these are tut from michelle, my son, but i felt most taken back by the genuine, visible and absolutely palpable hardship periods by artists just like the rest of us. they made personal sacrifices. every one of us did across many different groups that includes children, young adults who couldn't get on with their lives, and the many elderly who suffered loneliness. it also applies to the entire economy and it's many fun rubel sectors, finance, leasing, boston about biting korea. even that would really shook me was how much creative struggle to be seen and heard. they felt they had to grow attention to their
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predicament, to fear that the social significance might be overlooked or not appreciated. but they were always saying that we have a professional association. do we need to be hungry? we cultural policymakers, myself included, see ourselves as the strongest lobby. and i successfully manage to raise a very, very large amount of funding. i knew i invented current in the german government, showed great support and the hardship that artist faced not being able to fulfill that in a most dr. to create was already bad enough on what really disheartening me was to see how the cultural scene felt that society was largely indifferent to the damage they suffered under the covert pandemic. nicole and i found a child that was in there who was seen as we're born is does i see is i know you're
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saying it wasn't due to lack of financial support. you thought of that? but artists objective experience played a key role. dust basel learned inside, know? yeah, it was too much. i kept having to fight, saying, please consider the creative sector, not is a local economy, but as an industry, it's the 2nd biggest sector of the economy. the contribution the creative sector makes to germany's gross social product is only 2nd to the automotive industry and exceeds the finance sector. but the main thing was for artists and their significance to be recognized by society. we placed a great burden on them. cultural establishment were the 1st to close and i pleaded for them not to be the last to reopen, but in the end, that's what happened in the end, what counted most was if we close the schools, we can't justify why a theater should be allowed to stay open that makes sense from society perspective as a whole. i guess it,
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those are the priorities that society is set and they should be respected as such. about we could always go shopping and small or big stories that was always possible . move please. yes, of course. in grocery stores, that was the satisfy vital basic need. and i consistently pleaded for us to open up museums if we were going to open up clothing stores. for instance, if that works out in the end. but we really have to scream at the top of our lungs . ok. we're here to study, couldn't to court, but beyond the interest of the artist, well being society is a whole, has been missing out as an audience. have a social relevance beyond private interests. it was so important to keep emphasizing that during the pandemic. i personally felt like i was in with school and i think many other people felt the same. they were missing the opportunity to exchange thoughts and, of course,
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confront difficult subjects on stage. for instance, the creative sector is not just about entertainment. it also plays the role of a critical corrective in our democracy. we've all seen the topics that have arisen in our isolated society. and i think that shows how much culture was missing is a platform for dealing with rather than topics we constantly had to communicate this in all the codes, the debates don't forget the they're not just important in their own right, but they're important to all of us national for the stamps on our phones, elevators. the put together a little overview to show how culture fared in the pandemic. what it achieves and where it's struggle with. let's take a look at who the aka came thought in sean wanted oman, germany, the country of poets and thinkers. the site of the world's largest book for both
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6800 museums. germany is the country with the most professional orchestra's $130.00 in total. and it's clubs, the world famous whether the coffee pandemic brought kosher to accrue. ah, and this gave really is to a fundamental debate value just pollution in our society. federal commission or foreclosure, monica gluten responded with a 1000000000 euro funding program to propagate the cultural seems artist from the field applies for support. but the 1st lockdown was followed by a 2nd. the cultural sector grew increasingly desperate to the shop for a pension fund that protests became increasingly loud, both in the streets and on line
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as injected a little 1000000000 euros into culture. artists, groups and companies received emergency a special funding project. and now it's gone over the culture scene was definitely 50 actors, made their frustration, known a new tube and provocative uncertainty away the corner. thanks, dakota 19, i have learned to keep quiet if you want to be afraid, again, feel free to despair, but don't have doubts. the end of the pandemic isn't site, and there is a euphoric feeling of optimism. for what damage has been done. only be revealed later difficult trial for germany as a cultural home the, the harm they couldn't. le,
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you've supported artists financially. but as we said, money is not enough. align nice when, when you look back on the pandemic, would you say you could have done something different? maybe better. we found a, sam, but i didn't impressive that we took the culture scene and it's hardships into consideration so early on in the pen demik. and we responded to what was happening if i may add, i think we did more than any other country in the world. at $2100000000.00 euros per year. my culture budget practically doubled. and i secured an additional 2000000000 euros just to help those in the creative industry through the pandemic. this helps keep the infrastructure in place and to damp the financial impact on artist personal lives. we've created a wide reaching grant program with thousands of individual grounds. and was there strong demand as if there was, in less than half a year, we spent $900000000.00 of the 1st 1000000000. so we then received an additional
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1000000000 euros because we were stuck in the middle of the 2nd lockdown. and this money is slowly being used up. we used it to make it possible for artistic productions to continue despite the coven 19 crisis and locked down. for example, we had a default son, the 50000000 euros for film productions. we also have the grant program, and we have been helping out places such as museums, private fiestas and cinemas, requiring conversions due to the pandemic with ventilation systems. and above all, we have helped make productions possible. again, they will be performed once the stage is open up again when we succeeded in doing this with huge sums of money, the likes of which i think have not been seen in germany or anywhere in the world, but only so this was not enough to reassure the artists, i believe it is also very important that they feel valued and i'll give them the
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opportunity to rediscover the autistic voice. and that is where i, like many others, became very impatient. of that too is understandable. l. in the middle of the pandemic, the discussion surrounding colonial looted art also came into focus by one example is the benign bronzes, which are in many different museums in germany. huts you have taken a very strong position on this. what is your opinion regarding this looted article? don't get another most one doc and a suit of homer for me is club off to see if in general, i must say that the forum and i think the migration of refugees which europe experienced in the past years made the topic of colonialism and today's aftermath of our colonial history got a huge momentum. as a result, the general population is now more sensitized to the issue. this has been a blind spot in our remembrance culture for a long time. beginning of to we started to come to terms with our recent history by
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looking at the 1st and 2nd world wars. the period before that when europe had colonized africa is only now coming into view. and that's good for us. of course, some very visible issues have come into focus. the humble forum with the non european art it displays has in part colonial context. and then you have to determine what was acquired unfairly and should thus be returned. and this issue is particularly visible with a benign bronze. we have research the history that we are familiar with it. and we know that germany has purchased over 500 beneath bronzes from the market, but they were acquired and fairly so we are prepared to retain them. we would like to return a substantial amount of them from 2020 to onwards. 20 we've
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also prepared a short film on the homework fall, which will now take a look at it you'll see which exhibits are on display there. the homewood form will open to the public in just a few days. in the humble form of the heart of berlin is likely the largest construction project during monica router's time and office. it is a landmark, but also a place for debate. reconstructing the prussian royal palace has proven contentions from the very beginning bone to pieces. in the 2nd world war, the palace was demolished in east germany replaced by the palace of the republican house for the people the goods following the fall of the iron curtain to had to go to which as best and to which socialism instead the wheels of history are turned back on the berlin palaces reconstructed and redesigned as a place for world culture and cultural exchange under the new name, the humboldt, for the prussian cultural heritage foundations. no logical collections will be
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moved into the humboldt foreign. these precious objects that have accumulated over hundreds of years include looted, art from colonial times, shouldn't day be returned. when example is the balloon thrown from rooms? it was not given freely to germany and viewed as the benign bronze is robbed by the british in 1897. and what is today? nigeria? there were sold for many countries, including germany. these objects still have blood on them, luxurious know, demanding the return of the splittings to open its own museum to host them. public pressure has been mounting tremendously in response. cultural commissioner, monica group has called museum directors and kosher ministers from across germany to discuss the issue. and they agreed to start returning the stolen items. it has the breakthrough, the paradigm shift more and more details and individual exhibits are becoming known
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. it would appear that the mean bronzes could just be the tip of the iceberg. this trigger boat is from the violent and was likely stolen by german colonial troops. me humbled forward is full of contentious items. i know our own is filled with controversy. was the decision in favor of the humboldt form still right in your view? absolutely. space is absolutely. i have never invested so much energy and passion in a cultural project as i have in this one forum was only half finished when i took it over. when coming into office 8 years ago, the founding directorship had the former head of the british museum near mcgregor. on board, who's a global museum star, and he was a very knowledgeable advisor to us. we've now can hook form into what it was always
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meant to be a new type of center for the art. it's more than a museum. it works on an interdisciplinary level. we have a cinema stages, we will be able to hold conferences, that quote, is capable of handling large streams of visitors. we have rooms that address berlin as the city state. and one entire floor is dedicated to cultural understanding. we designed it in collaboration with a humble university. there will also be collection pieces on display from the berlin state, museums of depression, cultural heritage foundation. it's a huge and diverse selection spending over 42000 square meters. although some of the pieces are controversial. if one of the mother is active run down of me, yes, i always wonder why people put it like that, even though nobody has actually been in sight to see the exhibit. and so all these claims that everything is so controversial and difficult and will tend to focus on
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that, although no one has actually seen the exhibition yet. that 42000 square meters with an amazing selection of exhibit and some collection pieces from outside europe. that fills me with pride. the cultural nation that germany is today had to redefine the central sports. and it's republics history. given such an opportunity to slide down, many states could have resisted the temptation to place themselves and their own history in as favorable light as possible. right at the center of attention instead of only referencing ourselves and gym and history has some wonderful highlights that we could have exhibited. we decided that the non european should have the place that here they could respond to the german and mediterranean stories being told on the museum island, which is just across. i think that signifies how germany sees itself from the 21st century. we want to present ourselves as a partner to the world. then the name humboldt stands for curiosity about the world,
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alexander and vill him from whom both make great leaps and intellectual history. the name also stands to openness, tolerance, underlining one's own experience with what is possible in other parts of the world . ultimately, i hope and wish that visitors to the forum will leave the building with an enriched experience. despite our differences, there is more that unites us than what devices, of course, in this context and debates about colonialism off bound to arise. but i think it's good and right that these debates will take place that. when does he daughter on sunday? the good on question that mean all the references are explained? is there provenance laid out their past and what part of history they're from? even when it's a problematic part of history? it's a minor all image of the missed who they are in the in how to do it. i'm submission . i don't consider it my role to get to involved with a tent. i have to respect my museums, autonomy, i trust, the experts i trust,
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they know how to deal with it appropriately and in line with today's expectations. it takes the greatest amount of transparency and openness to present the problematic circumstances of how the pieces were acquired. that can be no credibility without a broad transparent depiction is difficult context. and it's true. we have debated the benign bronzes all the more carefully. but everything was always known and out in the open. only now it's weights differently in the list. boat is one very central exhibit, we moved it into the hook for him before the building was completed. otherwise we wouldn't have been able to fit it in. there was a great public response. now it will be exhibited. they're telling us the narrative that existed back then in the region where it was built. it's also tailored missionaries. and if difficult, colonial events,
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but i think the whole world has of right to learn about it. i believe the key to being able to show something like that lies and being honest about the difficult circumstances of provenance global specialists, i hope not. so for a 2nd to con lemon ellis, off to the intriguing aspect and design of apps. i'm just in the state. get enough, i have become too close. i would like to change the topic for a moment. slice of miss cut us. you are the 2nd woman to hold this office life equal opportunities for women in the cultural sector and elsewhere have always been an important issue to you. have you succeeded in what you set out to achieve the ransom into some unfound my last toned at the beginning, i was shocked to see how far behind the whole culture and create seen was when it came to equal opportunities. culture sees itself and rightly so as part of the, of a god as a socially progressive area. but when it comes to gender equality,
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they have quite a lot of catching up to do. i have set up a round table to which we have brought our findings. i was joined by female representatives of all sectors from literature to visual arts, music, dance, journalism. we realize that there is far less equality in our creative areas than we would like to see us doing and vaal. and that's why we set into women's culture office in the german cultural council, which i finance. we have set up a mentoring program to help young women who have already achieved a good amount of success in the arts to achieve their next career goals. with the support from the partners in the professional seen as difficult issues surrounding sexual assault came up, particularly in light of the one scene scandal. we set up the information center themis, which is chiefly financed by the federal government. now fortunately, various sectors are also pitching in one thing i have achieved which was relatively
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easy, was to point to equal numbers of men and women on all the committees in my house. and there are several hundreds in some areas. for example, a film industry. we had to actually change legislation in other areas or we needed to do was point out that this wasn't a fair way of distributing leadership roles with a female perspective on the awarding the funding. for example, female applicants more often considered for the prize last but not least, 44 percent of management positions in my house to help buy women. i think if a woman is at the helm and can, and hardy and a sat leadership, then a lot can be achieved. but the has to be an awareness for it does boost fine. most of her does, i can you imagine continuing in this row here i have to use the cliche response that for the voters to decide personally,
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