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news i'm british benji. welcome to the news a shark ladder could join us, blamed for the crime, viewed with suspicion, and told to hush it up. many women were expedient sexual assault in pocket on say, this is what they face. but amidst this victim, shaming the concrete, lida prime minister in ron con, has gone on television and appeared to do the same. last month he told an interview up a goat. if a woman is wedding, very few clothes, it will have an impact on the man unless they are robots on court. and in april, during a live chat, broadcast and state television con urged women to wear a veil to avoid sexual assault, saying it is so that there is no temptation in society activists there. his comments reinforce common public perceptions that women invite
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to that assault. and they say that attitude needs to change and then roger is getting ready to go out. but choosing what to where in pakistan is a fraud decision. women can be judged harshly for how they dress, and the conservative country she'd like to just put on what she wants and be done with it. i'll just say that there's nothing that makes me more happy than seeing women owning who they are and kind of, you know, breaking studio dates and putting full stop delegates. if one woman decides to do that, you know that changes the food of indigestion, generation, of women who are still fighting for basic rights. just recently, an interview with prime minister in ron con, unleashed a fresh protest. he said that wearing a veil would stop men from being drawn into temptation, implying women were at fault for sexual violence. his remarks caused uproar amongst
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rights activists. i think he has discriminated and he booked all the blame and burden over the woman class for next year. he should have addressed to men as well. so i think that was totally unfair. vit. woman of pakistan, many women in pakistan have already experienced sexual violence including ma. when she was 6, her parents left her alone with a male friend of the family. she trusted him, but he abused that trust. jesus, who wants to convince other women to speak openly about sexual violence. she says it's the only way to change prevailing attitudes that blame victims for sexual assaults, rather than perpetrators when we are collect was, will make a difference. we don't need to be ashamed that had happened to us, didn't the burden of proof,
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the shame lives of the one to do that. so this is something i think put aside making it different in august. but fundamental change may be elusive until those in power get behind their cars. and i'm on this, i'm joined by be nice. java from d w asia vinnish women's groups are outraged over in ron cons. recent comments is a non comedy, so domestic hybrid h m m. hi destiny. can you do disappoint bucket plenty room and he has repeatedly given statements. i did them and i got been undermined the gravity of sexual crimes against different people. and they said that the boys by night approach to a very complex problem, and claiming them in clothing for him. yes, grand lake rip mediation to orders who have suffered. they also said that publicly saying that men cannot control them. i'm yes, their records,
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these kind of statements give validation and encouragement to men that they can go in and even when they want, as long as they think that she's not probably just, i'm wondering if this approach to women's issues offered him any political advantage. yes, absolutely. so during its election campaign and also as a prime minister on his views on origin, on society, on western values on to 5 right individuals and going to a different country. and if you speak to his border or government minister there said that he has the right thing. anything that's incorrect to deflect the mind for the funding society. so we've seen that his supporters subscribed to a very dragon and traditional view of time and don't understand or are insensitive to the changing gender. what i think they don't understand that
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focusing society is slowly but struggling to become more liberal and dynamic. vinnish. you have a grown up and budget on spent a lot of time over there. i wonder how this binding to the conservative elements of august on the society impacts daily life for a woman in pakistan? sure. yeah, i have grown up and gone and i tell you that i was brought up very differently from the way my practice for women from their choice. i've talked to behave a certain way that they need to protection that they are so much that they have to behave a certain way. and i think slowly and gradually these beliefs and these concepts are changing. women aspiring to have more dominant position and then fighting to have big white voices. genic. nice. that kind of change. a steamer
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seems to be too conservative in the sky. be gone home, but wanted with the support of those contributors. denise java. thanks so much for speaking. to us today. thank you. nibbling in the massage, any has taken an ugly, unsettling tongue. recently, a little over a muslim women discovered they had been put up for sale on a newly created up by unknown people. the app called suddenly deeds also the women up as deals of the day using photographs from their social media profiles. this is a screen shot shared on twitter. one of the women targeted certainly is a sla directed against most of them. women in india, the apples hosted on get hub, an open source hosting platform, and was ultimately taken down of numerous complaints. one of those was targeted and who later also filed a police complaint is commercial pilot. now, mostly in a con, we joins me now. how not welcome and thanks so much for joining us today. i'd like
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to begin by asking you how you are doing since you became aware you have been targeted in this way. thank you so much for having me and how i'm doing, i'm okie. i have this, i keep repeating everywhere that i have this ridge that is constant, this angle which is constant. so i've come back mentally, i am doing my work and i am doing other things, but i also underline, he already just doesn't go away. so i didn't that i'm doing okay. now, why do you think the you and other muslim women were targeted in this way? well, so interestingly, you know, i am not a political ago and i don't grade politics. you know, there's nothing the right fight against. i don't see bad things about the book
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online because it's the work that i mean and i was student targeted. so that is, you don't make, it's completely transparent why that happened. it's because there was a muslim woman who had a wife all the women who are dog data or educated women, women who, you know, have a presence on social media when they talk people listen. so that is the reason that we were targeted in the 1st place because we were muslim women who are talking who had a conversation going, who people listen to. we didn't fit into the narrative of this muslim woman that fit the narrative that they want everyone to do. i do believe that we are mostly manero pressed and somehow, you know, don't have rights, which is absolutely incorrect right here in front of you and saying that this is incorrect, which is why i think all of us were targeted. the if this something that's particularly far worse for muslim women,
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given the fact that women in general in india educated women particularly targets on social media. absolutely. it's like fighting it in on every front. you know, all women, as you said, there's this society that's, that's surrounded me. you have to fight so much and work so hard to do what we are doing to get where we are. you know, if i mindsets fight people who are saying that we cannot do what we want to do, people telling us how to walk, what, where, how, what to eat, etc, etc. and you still make it. so you are already fighting with so many elements and then along comes you have, you know, gangs and be auctioning us online. so it just is just, it feels as if you know, you're just fighting so many different, you know upfront and that i think is absolutely unfair for any human being in the
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world. and especially women in india. we are already fighting so many things in this. you add this to us also so you so we what we are strong, we are strong enough to retaliate, but do we need to be like, do we need to be this way? do you think the targeting of most them women in particular has become more pronounced in recent years? and if so, why? see? absolutely, i think nick, you know, i like to talk about how it, in ancient times, women who are or until the women are supposed to be the soft dog to her community. so community that has already been targeted on different level lynching is being become commonplace. all of that already, you know, so normally you know, it's become normalized. now you come to that, you know, so the thing that we are the soft targets, and you've also followed the police complained in this matter,
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how hopeful are you that the police will actually act? so i have been treated very nicely by the police. i have, you know, i'm not so make, i did not get any negative lights that i was trying to gray nike. they go out there calling me again. you know, all the time. they're asking me for an update. i'm asking them for updates. so they've been very decent. you know, so far and i and daily police actually made and i fire without me, anyone else doing in a fire and yet, and the women's commission has, has spoken about it without, you know, it was an f i r. enjoy that happening and you know, so, so i am pretty hopeful that they might come, you know, they might get to the bottom of this. i am pretty awful how most you can believe it there for the time being. the thank you so much for joining us. today thank you so much. thank you. the f i r there refers to
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a report that's made to police in india. that's it for today. that of course more on our website, dot com, forward slash fisher. and you can follow us for facebook as well. we're back tomorrow at the same time. so you're going to buy the news. to go beyond the citizenship. we're all as we take on the we're all about the story that matter to you. whatever it takes policeman, following the fire made some mines. can you hear me? no, yes, we can hear you in germantown when you bring you uncle michael and you've never had
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before surprised yourself with what is to his medical really what all the people who follow along the way. myers and critics join us from last. the the welcome to arts and culture coming up a to lay an architect, design for peace. could this timber meeting hall help and centuries of conflict? and later on the show where the stars go to shine and dine at the cannes film festival. but 1st one of the rising stars of britain's music scene 24 year old pasa lew,
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the brit can be an artist wraps about racism and crime in his hometown of coventry, a city that's been called the most dangerous in the u. k. now policy says coventry is just a place where people have fewer opportunities and yet he's managed to make some of his own opportunities by sharing his experience. they don't know about building the building man is just, story was on, as in, so limited everything. so i was on what's happening in front of that you know, a poverty and i was on violence was on friend stay was friends, turned it into crack scenes, was on schools in front 9 or zone. you know, like frontline,
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the know about the ramps about life in coventry, a tough city in britain, the front line for the under privileged and the forgotten and that so the kid even going to school, we have to pass frontline. my secondary school was on front end is a long strip. you know, as i said, you see now will, because in all scenes this in this you'll see everything normal, you know, you see situations and on seen, even going to school, you will see the see, those oldest being was little you them, you know, i sent to you not just normal gain in the woods. so he was born in the industrial town slouch as a small child. he was sent for a time to can be to be cared for by his grandmother that the upbringing was strict, but so lu also felt a sense of freedom and belonging more
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than the community and gambia was warm and caring. so a close connections with neighbors, food would be shared with me in this is them up blood land, isn't it? it's a different kind of price. you see when i was i was born in england by my 1st language . it was off, you know, and then so i knew i was different from the start, you know, that can be, i taught me my history again. what i know today i would have known if i didn't get sent to gambia in grandparents took me villages. you know, i've had experiences my, my own parents didn't have, you know, saying i had to cancel seeing real life. you know? obviously, coming back to the u. k. i learn what life is the
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coven, she told me, my mom coventry has been called the most dangerous city in britain. going to do you there by top 10 that you don't. you met my phone number, but i don't want to take most my friends in prison. they weren't raised in nor we were raised in no crazy way or anything in our sin and most my friends and that turn into crap. since the parents moved, the parents were crackheads. you see the system ever gave the mercy? nope. so the sit that was a violent us. it insurance. that's it. the biggest main theme is self empowerment. lucky that
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you think that can greatness. i come from worry other, know my trauma is normal and we all have, you know, we shall see or we have too much trauma. so on soon, but the thing is, the only option we have to turning negativity into positivity. does it have, despite having the shots in the head, in coventry just a year and a half ago? what did these things happen every day? that's it. again. i would have died yesterday that would assume you the criminal regardless gang bang. that would have know me. i, in or gang, you know, i was in a family, you know, sin when it comes to when they put us in a situation in a jungle as a call it, you learn to have the people that's been food where you've been food comfort,
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you know, you comfort each other. you're not the people you have around you that will you comfort with the end of the day in one by one. providing us in lead times. this is the one you jo, energy, where you live in a non nation's are in for this year's emmy awards, the top prizes for television in the us and leading the pack baby yoda. that's right. the star wars spin off the man delorean isn't nominated. n a whopping 24 categories. and so as netflix is the crown for its portrayal of princess diana tumultuous merit. prince charles sorry. too much energy and for the 1st time and emmy history, a transgender performer is up for a major acting award. m j rodriguez is nominated in the category of lead drama
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actress for, for role in pose the series about new york's ballroom scene during the aids crisis . rodriguez says she believes her nominate will open up doors for other trends and queer stars come for me. when you are out the wisdom for anyone interested in architecture, venice is the place to be every 2 years. the city hosts architects from around the world who come together with their visions and dreams for the future. this week on arts and culture, we've been featuring different projects from the architecture. be a knowledge today, a design meant to foster piece and understanding. and sheila is architecture. be another question. how will we live together? it's a pressing one for additional people pricing to regain control of their ancestral lands. its structure is from chile, when a job dispute to the territory or tunnel made between the, the inside and the indigenous my future population has recently escalated. spanish
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colonialists were unable to conquer them. poacher and so recognized them as an autonomous nation. today they claim their territory has been illegally requisitioned by agriculture and forestry companies, acting with state complicity. they resist and try to live in harmony with nature. pushing back against threats to the environment like deforestation. chilean star architect alejandro r aveena is looking for a solution to this conflict. ah, it's a professional process. we learned that then the future have an ancient tradition when it comes to solving conflicts. and this is the question of this be and how will we live in future, what they have a parliament? and these have one condition that there should be a symmetry of knowledge on both sides. before you negotiate, you have to know who you're dealing with. the move picture say we know what chile
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is, but truly has no idea who we are. i'm a woman out of and i came up with the idea for a meeting place. we hope the chilean m a future people could discuss their a dispute of the land and autonomy do we looking to get out? we tell the ration from the religious architecture of the me a future which we integrated like the circle shape which is typical for oral cultures and orientation towards the east is essential for the future facing the sunrise. so we have to make visible, and by visible we mean something vertical with a meeting with happy between them. a teacher and a timber company, willing to negotiate user pandemic related travel restrictions. it hasn't been able to take place yet tend for called neutral spaces like this really helpful conflicts here all if it's to open up dialogue for future and welcome future questions are pushing us. we're clearly not happy with the answers we have today. so where
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compelled to think the future, we have no other option, no other option, but to recognize social responsibility. and this isn't just true. the architects the cannes film festival is where some of the world's top films get shown for the 1st time. and for the 1st time since the pandemic, the red carpet, there has been teeming with celebrity, including this year's jury president, director spike lead. now this weekend, the festival will culminate with the top prize. the coveted time dove. but for can insiders. pandora isn't just a trophy, it's also a place to eat an exclusive restaurant with 2 michelin stars and a whole lot of movie stars. ok, martinez, and that's fine dining restaurant time. don't favor some people in the film industry. that's not only because of the restaurant. excellent. french because he
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is to know the are guess, are very artistic people and you, when they're used to traveling the world, he'll be to the way i have exacting. chased enough. i know the math. when steven spielberg was the most, he's impressed by the see the music whole setting i vacated on definitely on aging a scene scenario. nissan center. born in con cookies, finished piece, started at the time door in 1989 as a kitchen assistant. before going on to train under prominent european chef. a lover and defender of classic pullman saw additions, he returned in 2001 and became hedges in 2007. 0, the restaurant. terrorist offers a panoramic view of the cut and the closet. the main festival then is also conveniently close. inside the restaurant,
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the core is an homage to the cities world famous film festival. traditionally that comes film festival jury members gather here for an exclusive dinner. as many of them are filmmakers, they appreciate the aesthetic flare that goes into the dishes. with you to i've never had any complicated request and i don't people say stars are high maintenance, but i think all gets us are complicated was critical. so people don't just come here for food and they come for the experiences. know, sit down, you can call this place the restaurant. but it is more than that. it's an experience. i know. like when you go to see a movie in the cinema? well, yes. if you think your name was your whoever takes home the coveted pine door award at this years come film festival. he or she is likely to stop by la poem door
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restaurant for some of the finance cuisine on the and the average meal there with a few courses and wine will set you back around 300 euros possible celebrity sightings included. that's it for this arts and culture. phoenix, the the me use the ah,
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into the conflict with advanced jan after 20 years fighting taliban and failing to defeat the nato forces. i'm pulling out of afghanistan. my guess this week is mid july and the deputy secretary general of nato, who joined me this week from the alliances headquarters in belgium. how does he justify the abandonment of the afghan people at the time of max in conflict minutes on d. w. how does the virus spread? why do we have it by and when will all this 3 the topics that we covered and a weekly radio. if you would like any more information on the kroner virus or any other to find topics, you should really check out more podcast. you can get it wherever you get your podcasts. you can also find some game w dot com slash science. every journey begins with the 1st
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step and every language with the 1st word can you rico is in germany to learn german. why not learn with him a simple online on your mobile ad free w e learning course, eco's vague, german meetings. the goal was right in front of them. they're all for this one moment. then suddenly, we agreed to postpone your game central care with 202421 from of course, during the quantifying round, not least for sports heroes, actually it was a slap in the face, but now we just have to fight their mobilizing superpowers. i'm fired up and ready to help down doing walk down the road to tokyo starts july 19th, w the
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news . this is it renews life from berlin. a hard breaking decision former us president george w bush says he believes that withdrawal of nato troops from i've gone on as a mistake. i'm afraid afghan women and girls are going to separate speak about hong . this is a mistake to look for. i think it is. yeah, i think because i think the consequences are going to be unbelievably bad. in an exclusive interview with dw, the president, to launch the longest. u. s. one, says nato's off gone, allies are being left behind to be slaughtered. also coming up,
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europe's carbon free future. the you want to build a sweeping plan to fight climate change leaders, outline policies for the blogs to become less reliance on carbon, hoping to turn green goals, reduction and reeling from rise. law enforcement in south africa struggles to contain mass moving swift parts of the country, fears roll over food shortages this supply chains, artists, and writers, vandalize businesses, unrest parked by the jail and express mrs. jacobs. ah let. thank you so much for your company, everyone. we begin this broadcast with striking remarks made by former us president george w bush in an exclusive interview with dw news. he says he leaves the withdrawal of
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us and nato troops from of gone is done. is a mistake. president bush added. he feared that the pull out of troops would lead to women and girls suffering at the hands of the taliban. he also spoke of his relationship with german chance uncle america, praising her for her support of the military mission. and i was very pleased when she was supportive of troops in afghanistan. and by the way, and one of the reasons why is because she saw the progress that could be made for young girls and women in afghanistan is unbelievable. that society changed from the brutality of the taliban and all of a sudden, sadly, i'm afraid i have gained women and girls are going to suffer. unspeakable harm is a mistake. so withdrawal, i think it is. yeah, i think because i think the consequences are going to be unbelievably bad. and i'm sad and i spent a lot and i spent a lot of time with afghan women and,
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and they're scared. and i think about all the interpreters and people that help not only us troops or nato troops, and they're just, it seems like there's, you can be left behind to be slaughtered by the very brutal people. and it breaks my heart that exclusive enter your interview with the former president, conducted by our washington bureau chief in a pull. and we can go to it right now to get some more insight into what was being said. very striking comments. there is a give us a says how he felt about to pull out. yeah, well he really thinks that this is a huge mistake and will lead to k as enough, gone as done what he said and later, you know, this whole interview was said in a very personal take. we could talk to him and his summer home in maine and i really believed was he said that he really is deeply concerned. he's deeply
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concerned. what does he fear most? well, you know, to give you a little bit of a perspective on international viewers as many of the long time, conservative republicans. bush also still believes that the goal to fight terrorism in the middle east was necessary. and now he things, it is far too dangerous to leave off. gone is done to the taliban as they has really started to make ground in the country. so this is kind of the big picture. now of course, the current president, the president, jo, buying a very different approach. he has defend the rapid withdrawal from of gone stone. just last week he said that america did not go to the region to do a nation building to listen to what he said exactly, and we'll continue our conversation. after that, we did not go to afghanistan to nation build. and it's the right and the responsibility of afghan people alone to decide their future and how they want to
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run their country. so what was ines president bush's original objective when he launched the war and i've gone down to decades ago. well, he initiated this war and gone as don as part of his white house go to fight the war on terrorism after 911. also the 911 takes late. we have to remember there was a real fear about global terrorism than not only in the united states, but all around the world. but again, after 20 years of the war ended its tension kind of god muddled and became extremely unpopular here in the united states. and also around the world, so it's very, very difficult to justify its reason to stay in. i've gotten this done. you weren't there with him in that very intimate setting that you outlined for us. did you get a feeling that the former president, president bush was criticizing indirectly president by and
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was sure that obviously have a very, very different approach spite and once to end this war, because he cannot justify the reasons to stay. and also it was actually former president trump who started the withdrawal. i think it wasn't really the intention of president bush to criticize bite in directly because we really mainly talked about mattel and her legacy. but yes, obviously they do have very different takes did you get a sense in conclusion that he regrets ever launching that war? i do not think so. it is said speculation, but as we just saw and heard in this little clip you played layla. i think you really deeply believes that the war was good for mainly women and girls, and i've gone on and was a possibility to really make their lives better. and that this opportunity,
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that this possibility now is destroyed by the withdrawal washington bureau chief in a poll reporting. thank you very much. and a short time ago, i spoke with journalist aaliyah la t fi in kabul, afghanistan, and i asked about the legacy of the native mission and gone. it's done and got his reaction as well. to those comments that made by george w bush. i think it's very interesting that he's suddenly, you know, concerned about women and children because you know, his war made a lot of widows and made a lot of children or friends. you know, there was a lot of you know, there were, there was areas from dish and there was going on him. oh there was imprisonment. there is night. raise their stroke strike. there's airstrike. there's all kinds of things that if he's concerned about civilians, he should've thought about during his own administration. as for the legacy, i mean, the fact that we're having these questions is the legacy, right? the fact that the taller bond is still able to pose a threat to, to, to the government,
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enter the security forces. the fact that we're still having these battles and the fact that we're still asking what might happen to women, to children, to interpreters, you know, 20 years down the line. that is a legacy. it, you know, what really was achieved for. so asking these questions 20 years later, journalist to tc they're talking to me earlier from cobble of gone is done and we are airing the full interview with the former us president george w bush right here on d, w throughout the day. and you can also watch it on demand are heading to our youtube channel la. are going to pivot now to the european union, where the european commission unveiled a sweeping plan to curb carbon emissions. the fit for $55.00 program is an bishop package of a dozen policies aimed at tackling climate change by cutting the greenhouse gas emissions by 55 percent by the year 2030. well, if the legislation passes, it will give
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a major boost to renewable energy production will also have wide ranging effects on how your peers live, including whatever cars they will be allowed to buy and how they have to have their homes critic say, a will put a heavy financial burden on citizens, especially for your country. they want environmental activists are also not happy. they say the package is not going far enough. and there earlier today, you commission president or is of underlying presented the ambitious proposals. this is what she said. we know, for example, that our current fossil fuel economy has reached its limits and we know that we have to move on to a new model. one that is powered by innovation that has clean energy that is moving towards the social economy. europe is now the very 1st continent that presents a comprehensive architecture to meet outline with conditions we have the goal. but
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now we present the roadmap to how we are going to get them on that. with your commission, president vander, lionel speaking earlier today, i want to tell you now about some of the other stories making headlines around the world. the united arab emirates has opened an embassy in israel. it's a house in the tell these new stock exchange building. it marks the latest afterward, the normalization of relations, following a u. s. worker reconciliation deal last year. i'm office slammed the and operation as a quote, sab, in the back of the palestinian people, investigations continue into the killing last week of haiti's president room. and after the arrest of one of the alleged plotters, 5 suspects still remain at large. authorities are searching for a former haitian senator, a fire to government official, and a convicted cocaine smuggler police believe the killing me. i've been politically
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motivated at least 13 people have been killed in a blast on a bus in a remote region of northern pockets on the dead include pakistani soldiers as from chinese national civil people have also been injured. it's not yet clear whether the explosion occurred inside or outside the buys, which was carrying many chinese workers to construction. heavy rain and strong winds are causing flooding across parts of western and central europe. one man is missing in the german state of facts. me in a disaster alert has been issued in half county. near the border with the check republic meteorologist expects more heavy rain and thunderstorms in the coming days . yes. fears over food and fuel shortages are growing in south africa as looting and violence. rage on for a 6th day in a row authorities, their se hospitals are running out of oxygen medicine and food as writing disrupt
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supply, change well, change more than 70 people have been killed in some of the worst violence in the country that the country has seen in years following the jailing of former president, jacob's building is on fire. a baby is thrown down thankfully caused by a small crowd that gathered below. others managed to make their escape to the ground floor shops were looted and set ablaze. durban is one of the cities in south africa, being rocked by unrest and businesses are paying a high price in some places, south africans are now forced to q for essentially well, i think we just a bit concerned about fuel and water at the stage, but no otherwise, we could, we could to go, hopefully the future was stopped running in from next week. some suspected looters
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have been arrested for them. but in this small, in a town outside johannesburg, it looks like a free for all the. what thank you to see what you all the, what's going on and you know, it's all to the other people out there that was happening. like in dave, you turn outside for toria, police fire on looters, and the military has been sent into so with to try to restore law and order. the protest began last week after former president jacob duma began serving a 15 month jail term for contempt of court. but frustration over inequality and rising unemployment are also fueling the chaos.
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while i did ever use, christine, when we're in cape town, told me earlier, there was no sign of tensions easing. we are now on god here for the racial tensions that are flaring up, particularly in was when it's how this is amanda black and indian communities. essentially what has come down to is that you've got on civilians now in the 2 provinces, basically standing in law enforcement, they are heavily on the basis that we are guarding our property. and of course, that has tension between communities in, in the process of the progress wasn't in itself, it was white people and black communities as well. and so these are the fears for it. he's also warned about violence where you will see attacks on foreign nationals that we already seen, some foreign nationals, pakistani national for example, closing up their shops in anticipation that they will be the next target essentially. so there is no sign of less up when it comes to the tensions. in fact, it's starting to move into other forms of tensions, particularly racial tension at the moment,
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testing and wonder with an update there from cape town. south africa do stick with the w news up next, or cove in 1900 special consequences of not knowing on way laraca. berlin, thank you so much for spending this part of your day with us. out with the americans. use the law. what people have to say matters to me that's why you listen to their stories.


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