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be our guest at frankfurt airport city, managed by from board. oh, the news news alive from berlin. a breakthrough on global tax reforms. wealthy nations agree on a minimum corporate tax rate of 15 percent targeting tech giants who do business worldwide . but avoid paying taxes by setting up shop in the territories with a lower rate. also coming up on the show, nato ends. ukraine wrap up 2 weeks of war games in the black sea intended as
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a shot across the bows of an increasingly assertive russia. ah hello clare richardson warm. welcome to the show. finance ministers meeting in italy have agreed on a global minimum corporate tax rate of 15 percent. the deal aims to stop countries setting low taxes to attract investment from multi nationals, especially tech giants, which do business worldwide. the new levy could bring an extra $150000000000.00 a year into government coffers. a historic setting for historic deal. finance ministers from the g 20 member countries came together in venice to secure a global tax reform for a digital world. the g 20 agreement is an important achievement that will contribute to stabilize the international back system in the coming years. it will
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run great tax se 20 and the stop the raise to the bottom. the aim of the agreement is to make multi nationals pay tax in the countries where they make their profits at a minimum rate of 15 percent. it's designed to make it no longer worthwhile for companies to shift profits to other countries. g 20 finance ministers said the pandemic forced them to act. the minimum 6 takes a real great advantage for c and for station, and it will give us a chance to, to, and the race to the now, just after we are fighting against colbert 19, and we are taking a lot of that fight against the crisis to fight against the
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economy crisis is absolutely necessary that we take this and i'm really, really happy that we are step demonstrators took to the streets of venice to protest against the deal. they say the 15 percent tax rate is too low. they claim they are fighting against tax havens, but they are creating one themselves for them. 15 percent is okay. that's not ok. a number of e u countries like ireland are against the reform, but this will not stop. the global corporation tax says us treasury secretary, janet yellen. i should emphasize it's not essential that every country be on board . disagreement contains a kind of enforcement mechanism that can be used to make sure that countries that are hold out are not able to undermine the global corporation. tax rate is set to
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come into force in 2023, but negotiations are still ongoing. final agreement is not expected until the g 20 leader summit in rome and october. nato and ukraine are wrapping up 2 weeks of military exercises in the black sea. the war games involve a $5000.00 troops, plus dozens of ships and aircraft. commanders aim to signal the strength of the alliance to an increasingly assertive russia. the w correspondent, nick connelly has been on board the u. s. destroyer ross, he sent us this report on operation seabreeze from the ukrainian port of odessa person ships shadowing the u. s. s. ross and his allied vessels just a few kilometers in distance here in international waters of the black sea. joint us ukrainian excise, nothing new, but this year is far from normal. after rushes unprecedented troop build up, friends, borders, potential conflicts, the russian forces. precisely what he said is
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a training for very definitely not something the u. s. navy will talk about crew members scrupulously avoid talking about russia. even though much of their time spent monitoring russian activity around them. i don't sense that this is any different than any other exercise that we do or that we've done in the past. how far away from the nearest question. right now about $2.00 to $3.00 minus. what we have seen is russian fighter jets operating in international airspace much in the same way that we've seen seabreeze participants operating in international airspace arrest and jet making. present. felt a reminder if anyone needed that. the united states insistence and freedom of access to instructional waters isn't an argument the cup and the ice in moscow, which we use the black sea as it's backyard. and it's complained of quote, provocative muscle flexing with $5000.00 troops, participating on land and on. see, these u. s. ukrainian lead exercises may have been the biggest ever,
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but they're still easily dwarfed by exercises. russia holds in this part of the world involving tens of thousands of participants. the unspoken met his membership ukraine no closer to becoming a reality. and a formal security guarantee given ukrainians still have many good reasons to worry about their country's security. and let's turn our attention now to some of the other stories that are making headlines at this. our fire storms have ripped through forests and it doesn't. the villages in eastern russia, hundreds of people had to leave their homes. forest fires and russia have become more severe in recent years because of heat waves and long droughts. and the other ruling party has won an overwhelming majority. and last month, national election, securing prime minister. another 5 year term in office of met is facing international criticism over military action that during the conflict in the northern region,
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workers began taking down the last of the fencing around the u. s. capital 6 months after the invasion by supporters of former president don from 5 people died in the rioting. in january, the barriers will take 3 days, 2 rooms and hundreds of demonstrators of gather here in berlin to protest against the government. in iran, they want an end to the death penalty and the relief of political prisoners. the campaigners also oppose iran's nuclear program. while haiti is asking the u. s. and the united nation to send in troops following the assassination of its president, jovan now louise. the interim government wants help guarding a key national infrastructure. police have captured 17th facts and killed 3 others . former columbia soldiers are among those who have been detained. and 8 facts are still on the run. louise was assassinated in his home in the capital port. au
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prince was bringing a journalist on a rosa shone, who joined us from near the haitian capital for more. thank you so much for joining us. first, i wanted to ask you from where you stand, how has the situation of vol since the presidents assassination? well, there have been, as you said before, several people have been arrested 17 and told him to hasten americans. and 16 colombians and the number of how many have been killed is a little get should because it goes from 3 to 7. and the police is announcing that that still some at large however, there are more and more voices coming out from everywhere saying it seems a little bit more complicated than the scenario that has been painted in the beginning. so it looks like that maybe there is a little bit more to the assassination than it seemed in the,
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in the beginning. and what is the latest on that? what have we learned from the investigations into who is responsible and how it may be a more complicated picture and previously thought? well, the government and the police is still insisting it was the command of mercenaries . now the families of the same people in columbia saying that no, that have been contracted to support the national police and not the honest to kill a president. and the colombian government is sending investigation team in order to help the patient to find out more what really has happened. okay, now on friday we know that a group of law makers recognize the head of heating, dismantled senate, joseph lambert as a provisional president. and that is, of course, a direct challenge to the interim government. what can you tell us about what appears to be a brewing power struggle? but it is like, oh if there is a vacuum and everybody wants to become a president,
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you know, you have the senate. there are 10 members of the senate that are still there. 8 of the 10 members have signed this resolution to have them sign this and the release and present them. i mean, quote unquote, mr. lumber has also said that his prime minister would be the prime minister that has been nominated by the former president, mr. so that he is supposed to be sworn in between this afternoon and tomorrow. now it depends on the negotiations on the ground, but it looks like it closed the doctors. this is still being the person recognized for everybody to be the pregnant. so you would say that he then has a broad swath of support as
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a legitimate leader of hasty at this point. for the time being, it looks like it's ok based journalist and rosa shown. thank you so much for joining us with that update for us that he has taken down a civil war monument at the center of a violent white and nationalist rally. 4 years ago. community leaders hope removing the statue of the controversial confederate commander will help to end decades of anguish. yes, the city of charlottesville, virginia has been pushing to remove this statue of the confederate general. robert, leave the city finally one along legal battle. and people are glad to see the back of the figure on horseback. ah, finally ready to be a community that doesn't telegraph to our public arts that we are pretty fine with white just the wash. the whole gamut over most just
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happened to the lation, but you would have to get up here the door to the person will. almost 4 years ago, these images went around the world white nationalists and rightly extremists, came to charlottesville, to protest, plan, to remove the statute. a 32 year old woman was killed when a car drove into a crowd of anti racist protesters. it was they on a brian to get the ball rolling to remove the statue and she was still a high school student. so the young people out there, i hope that this empowered you to speak up on the issues that matter is they take charge in your own cities and communities, no platform for white supremacy, no platform rates for racism and no platform for hate. now the statue and another of the civil war confederates will be put in storage until the city council decides what to do with them. and it is getting hotter in spain. a temperatures in
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seville have stored at to 44 degrees celsius, sending visitors a story and for shade and to cool off in fountains. weather experts say the heat wave is down to hot hare crossing the mediterranean from africa. a welcome escape from the heat as temperatures and seville hit 44 degrees, while some quench the 3rd in the shade. others prefer to cool off in the nearest fountain. slow but obviously i'm only in seville for today in an open and i didn't think it would be this hot. we have gone to the fountain with the feels when half an hour you will try all running for the moment. it's perfect nor stick. almost all this battle about any moment. the heat wave caught many tourists by surprise.
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festivals, residence these temperatures on nothing. you even they are having to be careful. are you that are plenty and stay in the shade? there's not much more you can do. it's more or less normal, the temperature ups and downs drive you crazy, or whatever the full cost is, have issued extreme weather warnings because of hot air masses crossing the mediterranean from africa. people here are calling it the for can beast the 1st heat wave to hip spain this summer. it's unlikely to be the last tennis now and australia is ashley. barty has won her 1st wimbledon title by beating catalina, pushed over in the women's single final. the world number one followed up her when at the french open in 2019 with a 3 fat victory. the wimbledon triumphs seals a remarkable come back from barty. she wasn't sure she would be fit enough to
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compete in this year's grass at grand slam. at your news update at this hour, stay tuned for our high tech show ships, which looks at the evolution of the household a robot in japan. and of course, there is always much more on our website, d, w dot com, and richardson in berlin for me in the team here. thank you so much for joining in december 2019, the european council's new president show me show, embarked on a ground breaking mission. i had a clear job to make europe the 1st time. jennings, on the planet, by 2015 model you members state supported and some persuasion is required. so surprising,
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glanced into the very heart of power to vote. when the gain of diplomatic poker, the gentry power plays, and alliances behind the scenes of the time. it starts august 5th on d, w. the doing the dishes, folding laundry and packing lunchbox scientist, exploring the different ways in which robots could help us. so exactly could roberts shape our everyday lives. our topic on shift today. the japan producers around 50 percent of the was robot. no one that is called the robot nation. this even an official government scheme that focuses on a new industrial revolution through robotics, but robot, a commonplace in many other areas to and japan where nearly 30 percent of the
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population is $65.00 or older robots and more important for personal use. he is irosia gurro, a world leading robot assist on why and you find that we need to have more about that can help was outdated life. i believe they can have to deal with that kind of a lot of hide. it can human symbiotic, near future symbiotic robots of sounds, a little to science fiction. to me, still, many tech companies claim that their robots can really make a difference in house work, but this is still far ahead in the future, even in japan. at the moment, most robots take care of one specific chore and leave the rest to humans like me. it is a japanese thought of however, working on a robot which they claim will take care of all the housework. but there's a catch introducing you go all around talent and future household superstar you
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go can grid is height, adjustable enrolled on wheels, the startup neuro body promot, you go, it's more discrete and cheaper alternative to a human cleaner. we're pretty uncommon in japan at the moment. you go still appears to be quite slow and clumsy. but in the future, this new robot butler is post to be able to take on any household chore imaginable credit cards. so when you, when you book, i pick it, i would like to let robo to handle repetitive and routine to us so that people can be more creative. for example, when what a robot does the housework for dealing with making, dedicating this time to our family fun. that's almost all we have more time for us . sort of this is how we want to improve the quality of life for people in japan. so i'll get the site you goes equipped with a total of $22.00 sensors and 3 cameras to assist in navigating space and recognizing objects. despite being equipped with an ai system,
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you go is still incapable of doing chores properly on its own. so a staff member has to operate it by remote control. a controller synchronizes the robots movements with those of the human operator. hugo is still a long way off from working autonomy asleep. so hugo is operated by someone i don't know from the remote place. what do they see? and as the camera get turned off, what happens to my data? who protect my privacy mirror body, same that operators only see blurry images. so do robots have to guess what they're cleaning? so someone like me, that's not very convincing. i can be a bit of a neat freak. toyota is also working on a ton of robots to help manage house work, but there's one issue that is difficult to solve. the robot has to know how much pressure the sponge needs to apply on 2 different surfaces to properly clean them. with an expensive, flat screen tv, the machine should be very careful, and humans and robust work together, security becomes important. this robot is already working with humans in japan
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and europe. next age be the humanoid robot, developed to collaborate with human colleagues. companies like run and kalat robotic are leading the race and developing collaborative robot. these new colleagues have one in working advantage over people. their work is precise and they never get tired. practically, we have to make various productivity improvement for that. so we japanese that use the robot to do this. we're still no more robot. it's trade fairs, like i racks in tokyo show what the future workplace could look like in japan, robot production has long been a key industry around 130 companies make robots here in the past. these trade,
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there's were opportunities for companies to show off. big robots used in industrial production. now there's a trend towards service and partner robust. thank you know where we also know or got a recently the government's focus has shifted from making new robots teasing them sensibly and society. so i thought it was okay, i have to you go through it all the way up the 8 you have good chuck. i need just source. they got talk, i did call to do you and i think we need to think of robots as tools or partner or so to reach our goal of doing a better society where people can feel good and helping them all or more. you talk, i can't go to get it for you and i thought you stuck with you could go back when you know that it's a big vision. it's a long way to go. there are still many technicalities that need to be addressed, particularly because collaborative robots are often a security risk for their human colleagues. since robot can't estimate their own
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strength, next age operates in battery saving mode. 8 cameras attached to a head and arms are supposed to help the robot to analyze pace and objects. interchangeable robot hands used to grip enhance its many users. but at around 90000 bureaus a piece, not every company can this technology right now. next stage is just working in the after just 5 o'clock with the robot will be needed every room. we're hoping that we'll be able to take it to the construction site. 433, home in japan. they will not be taking away, john. there'll be, there'll be a co workers partners like many other western countries, was still prejudiced against industrial robots. here in germany. the main argument is they'll take away no jobs, but they're leaving out something else. co working can also make jobs easier.
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french for about this young to has been working and living in japan for a long time. she says that co working with all of us is used differently there. there is something like about craftsmanship and about the art of making things perfect. and there is also like a very clear social care by companies in their workers. and so they never introduce robot, replaced workers that they've introduced us to make their work better working with the robot. it's something that is really cool, or like having a robot in your company, something that is really nice. this attitude that robust cool is a sentiment that you got. developers also share a remote control used by an operator isn't exactly cool, but it's only a temporary measure. you are believes that intelligent machines will take on short independently and the future. you go to target audience for the elderly and professionals. the company believes that you can make a real difference in their life,
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but it's also expensive. depending on operating times, the monthly rental costs are between 800 to 1600 euro's the upside. if you go with the post to make life longer and more comfortable for the whole lot of them are in the future. i envision robot and uttering all houses and doing on your home or so along with the advancement of medical care in japan. i think that this will enable people to live longer than i do not know, but the thought of robustly hugo also saw off that for the ability to assist in medicine, especially since the outbreak of the corona virus. now, robotics companies i tripping their robot to assist in 3 key areas. cleaning robots could be contaminated rooms or disposal hospital waste, so humans avoid risk. checkups robots could help check on patients confined to their bed or in quarantine. this could alleviate the pressure on medical stop.
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telemedicine robots have been assisting during surgery for a while in japan that also creating so called surgical robots. tokyo based that river field wants to launch a new model in a few years to compete with a current and b. p of surgical robots made in the us. when it comes to surgical assistance, davinci, a state of the art, this robot can remove tumors tissue from someone with prostate cancer, but it doesn't operate autonomously a control panel. let surgeons use the robot arms in real time, which has one big advantage, motion, scaling and tremble filters. this allows the surgical robot to work more precisely . but the da vinci robot has to disadvantages. it doesn't receive any have to feedback, meaning it can't feel for specific body parts. and it's very expensive. davinci costs up to 2000000 euros. tokyo based company river
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field is trying to solve these problems. there, robot is quite similar to davinci and will cost less. here the robot arms are powered by air pressure. this enabled tactic feedback, producing the risk of patient injury. so this should make the operation more intuitive the use of a surgical robot to become much more important in japan because the aging society is coming and the rate of towns become increasing in japan. so these are mainly for account to for cancer treatment. many other countries are also turning to robots to help in the medical and care sectors. future physicians will have to train intensively to use these new technology. the robot houses also benefit not only for the patient, but also the surgeon for the patient. hospital stay would have become shorter or
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recovery. it becomes faster also for the doctor. they can do the surgery by sitting in the chair so you can be minimized by using the robot. surgeons probably won't be replaced anytime soon. but with the right mobile communication, doctors could soon be performing tele surgery across long distances. this may be beneficial for people living in remote areas without access to medical care. whether they're assisting in surgery or doing chores at home, robots are supposed to help people with things that are difficult. all that we simply don't want to do in japan. i saw how a i machines i used in daily life. and if it were up to professor, when we talk to him, it's, you know, we wouldn't even be aware of the role that machines play in our lives at us. there is a lot that i always use,
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which is that of the disappearing robot. and the kid with that, so i mean, in the future robots will become invisible to be such a common part of our lives that we don't really think of them as robots anymore. well, if my own vacuum robot had only done his job probably, than i'd probably still be using it. robots for personal use at home, helpful, or just you electronic waste. let us know what you think on facebook or the w dot com. had to use you for more videos from japan, including war robots. that's it for me today. see you next time. the in the the,
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into the conflict with tim sebastian. when it comes to foreign policy, it's getting harder to work out what the use stands for. my guess this week or my pipe. nice. jared? empowerment for the past committee. can he play my such a powerful block of nations seems to punch so far below its weight on the world stage. on dw the merchandise is children in german couple desperate for baby. ah, the owner of a reproduction, empire, the biological mother, the complete story behind the baby business ukraine surrogate mother in 30 minutes on d w. these places in europe. the record,
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the step into a big venture is the treasure map for modern globetrotters. discover some of you have some record breaking on you too. and now also in book form, the russia continues. why a lation of international law and human rights when it couldn't really be much worse their behavior couldn't. there are steps always, can be worse. why was the e u so it will prepare to see one of the most complicated issues for european foreign policy. is there any point in pushing ahead with enlargement plan, the perspectives to get membership is also very important. when it comes to foreign policy, it's getting harder to work out would be use stands for too many disagreements
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among members, too many grand intentions and fine would too little to show for them. my guess this week is or must pipe nice, jared, the foreign affairs committee and he joins me from strasburg. can he play my such a powerful block of nation seems to punch so far below its weight on the world stage. the use for math tides. welcome to complex zone. hello. let's start if we may, with russia, which presents a number of key foreign policy challenges to the e. u. since the seizure of crimea that has imposed a huge variety of sanctions on moscow. can you think of any way in which those sanctions have to any degree change moscow's behavior?
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well, if you look at the history of sanctions globally, then it's of course, always an issue. how much and how fast sanctions will have its influence. and what concerns russia then? yes, so we have seen that so far that has been no immediate direct influence because russia continues while a sion of international law and human rights be in the ukraine, be in russia, in some other 3rd places. but there is also always question what these are, what should be an alternative if one country is systematically and harshly violates international law and human rights. so that, yeah, they, yeah. me that the back. yeah. so for the time being the sanctions have been useless . and my question is really, what's the point of continuing to take measures that have no effect? is it to make people in the you feel better about it?
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well, part of politics always is also that the public opinion should approve the steps. but there is also an issue that if you, these days just stop sanctions without anything really has been changed in russian behavior, then it's also they show for your credibility. so the politically, it's also possible just to skip sanctions. so without anything really has happened . yeah, so not only did you not change rational behavior, you haven't managed really to mitigate the effects of it either. have you, for example, there was talk of reaching out to supporting civil society in russia. that avenue has also been closed off by the russian since they've come down on a lot of civil society. so that's not working either. is it well, here i can't disagree. i think that the russian civil society, part of it these, unfortunately abroad, has got a lot of political moral,
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but also financial support from european countries lost also dairy station. when we speak about sanctions, we don't know what could and would be a russian behavior without the direction of a west though, for the europe of the united states. because unfortunately, always don't so well can be worse. so that the, in this regard, i also don't see real alternative to the european invest in action and behavior via russian violation of human rights and rule of law. well, it couldn't really be much worse. their behavior could is, i mean, they've invaded a sovereign state. they kill them political opponents on european territory. they hack into your election systems. what could actually be worse than signaling if such a thing is possible that the sanctions don't matter a job to them, they're going ahead with their disruptive behavior. well,
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i will not elaborate here, and i guess that you understand very well that well, there are steps which always can be worse because i remember before 2014 they were also majority, i guess western politicians who say that it will never happen, that the russia will attack its neighbors. well, it happened 2014. so that to say today that it cannot be worse. well, unfortunately it can. you've been extremely critical of the use foreign policy chief years that barajo called his visit to moscow in february, a colossal failure of the commission by contrast, express full support for it. who are we supposed to believe? was it a success or failure? well this concrete visit was failure because the timing was very, very bad and it was already foreseen that nothing good can not come out from this visit. so that in distance i cleared understand they support that don't. so during difficult times, the dialogue and conversation is important,
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but it's always that timing matters. and the timing for this particular visit, especially to moscow was, was very bad. and also the place for meetings was it was not the best one. i guess that the if you start or you restart the contacts and dialogue, then your 1st, your chose more neutral places for this kind of visits and also, well, you should choose appropriate timing in this regard. and of course, the messages their messages should be much clearer. and stronger in this regard, and of course, based on the common approach from 2070 member state. well, mister brown said he went to challenge russia's behavior with regard to human rights to see if they would engage on the issue. he came back saying they wouldn't . what more could he have done? he tried, he tried, he failed. it wasn't worth trying. well,
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i don't think that he had to go with with any expense. once again, i think that the timing for this particular visit was very bad. so that i guess that different timing, maybe also some different the message is good and should be well fed the role and keep maybe some better outcome although yeah, we all know that the rush at the moment has no interest at all to improve the relations with weston democracy, so that then disregard the bills. i should understand that for real developments they should be on. so some change of thinking in, in russia and it is not happening at this very moment and it says no change in thinking. and you say there isn't so, so what do you left with? there's one kid on the block who wants to play nice and that's you and the other one doesn't. you're left looking pretty weak by contrast. and, you know, i,
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i don't think so. i also don't think the thrush is the only player in the world. i think that, that the stage you have to clearly strengthen her relations with united states, also with the united kingdom, with other democratic countries. and we want to get that. i mean, the western democracies have to keep much more adequate balance point globally when the one site at the moment, the western democracies and the on the other site being retarded. and that seems like china, russia and some others. so the biggest at this stage, you also have to concentrate much more on strengthening real functioning relationship with us and other democracies. well perhaps if you concentrate more on the strengthening relationships within the block itself. because the biggest drawback for the you is your chronic disunity, isn't it? you've written about this yourself, this dream of
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a common foreign policy is rapidly drawing to an end. isn't it time to admit that certain steps which i would like to see 1st, the different foreign policy i see for a trait development corporation also defense policy. they should work much, much together. and secondly, i think that we also don't have to need any more consensus in each and every foreign policy decision, for example, issues related to human rights and sanctions based on human rights. i don't think that we need here consensus so that this is also tie him to increase the efficiency of european for police. yes, but i mean we've had prime example of this unity just recently when france and germany proposed restarting summits with moscow, which had been suspended since 2014. and that led to howls of protest among other member states because no one else had been consulted. so not only do you have
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consultation issues, you have this unity issues, which are ensuring that the e u, the largest trading block in the world, punches consistently below its weight on the international stage, doesn't it? well, that's why i say that we also have to little bit change the mechanism of decision making and also for insecurity police issues about what concerns french and german proposal stand. where like, i think that every and each country can make proposals, but yeah, then they are a pm council. we're on 27, president easter place, but then they decide what the right to do and, and what's not that this very moment. so that's actually, i don't blame german and french governments for making this proposal because what we also have seen during this last years, when all the meetings between e. oh and, and russia have been suspended. we have seen that some member states have had and still having bilateral meetings and then they don't represent eels,
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common positions. so that in disregard to avoid the situation, i guess that don't so certain contacts and then also meetings between you and then brush any way are necessary. but here again, the timing is important. that agenda is important, and of course, also clear political well bases and political commitment from all member states and doing something that makes a difference. which we haven't seen so far doing something that actually changes russia's behavior. well, i guess this is any way very difficult. difficult say target because if there is no political willingness in russia to change directly to west than when we well, the human values, rule of law and so on than any way from abroad. it is also very difficult to influence. and we also should realize that well,
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be called out in the regimes like russia and china are making more and more cooperation because the same issues of human rights and international law. they don't bother them so that the hero. so we should not, in this sense, been a even playing only ourselves, but here on so there, well, the real political will or absence of, of this will also, while the, i mean, you read yourself that the strength of the you comes from unity. that this unity was on show during the recent fighting in the middle east between the palestinians and israel. when you failed even to issue unanimous statement on the conflict because it was blocked by hungry, not even a. you can't even unify over a statement, never mind doing anything that makes a difference to the situation on the ground. that's pretty shameful, isn't it? that's why i say that, but i guess we have to shift from a consensus from every and d g. sure to some majority voting to increase the level of efficiency of the u. s.
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foreign policy. and, well, we also should realize that the value is not a single country. it is $27.00 countries. and we all can imagine that it is not the easiest duty or aim to get always the same language from 27, not sensitive issues like middle east mystified. you have plenty of people sitting around talking about policy. the conflict in the middle east isn't new. surely somebody should have been prepared to force the particular kinds of actions when the next bout of fighting broke out, but they didn't do that. my question is, why was the e u so ill prepared to do something in this instance in the middle east as it has been and previous instances, you don't seem to learn from any lessons. well already. i guess the unfortunate fact that the conflict in middle east is not new already shows that it is very
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complex and complicated issue. and i would say that the actually the see one of the most complicated issues for european foreign policy, but also for foreign policy. many other countries in the world, and you can imagine that if there are 27 and you have split in opinions, not only between the governments but the same site, the member states, then it is very difficult really to reach consensus so that all the complexity and all the sensitivity is what concerns middle east the conflict? well, yes, all reflected also in your foreign policy making. so that i admit, this is one of the most difficult issues. and actually i also don't foresee that been foreseeable future. there will be overwhelming and large consensus about these issues, but is it enough for people in the you like you and senior officials to just say, oh, it's a difficult issue and ring your hands and wait for the next disaster to strike in
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which you won't be able to play any kind of role, you'll just be left by the side of the road, watching the form a jordanian for a minister. my one washer says the ears become passive, accepting a status quo that it doesn't even want. that's true, isn't it? you don't want the current situation because you haven't got any ideas fixing it. well, i guess that in some issues, so globally, also in immediate neighbourhood of europe, your foreign policy has been quite successful when we speak, for example, ups about supporting girl democratic movement. speed ga, be ukraine, be some other countries where i said if you look at the changes in the, in the west and ball consent and so on and so on. and then yes, you also kind of course find examples where it's really difficult to make a difference and even to reach consensus in d, u the same middle east issue. so it is as long as you is not one country,
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but the combination of 27 at the state. sure. well, it also remain like this, that not in all foreign policy issues you easily can reach very brilliant consensus or, or you can push forward very brilliant ideas where they are, you like the position of your member states. this is really strong so that they feel look at the middle east then. yes, it last, it already dictates. and dick gates, but it's not only the european union, also, no other country came out with the solution which, which really can be helpful so that that's why disease really sensitive and complex and problematic issue. you talk about progress in the west mulkins with, with all the disruptions spreading inside the you. is there any point in pushing ahead with enlargement plans there? don't you have enough problems without importing feuds and organized crime and the
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drug and people trafficking and smuggling from the west. balkans. they don't seem to be making a lot of progress in tracking down on organized crime that do that for all of the progress that you talk about. well, i think, i think the patience in distance is needed because if we compare where we are the majority, for example, of eastern european countries in early 900 ninety's and where there are these days was not a show of one or 2. yes, it was they show of couple of the case and in the sense in the future, i also see the same kind of development with the remaining western balkan countries which are not in the that the perspectives to get membership is also very important to really implement all these changes so that when we speak about serbia or boston has to be in our or any other country after 20 or 30 years, then we really will see that your,
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your prospective membership perspective has really made difference. well, i mean, you talk about that you take take bulgarian romania for instance. they had to be put on the special monitoring for more than 10 years because of problems with the rule of law issues, problems with massive corruption which persists to this day. that hasn't been any picnic for the rest of europe having bulgarian romania and the amount of crime that it generates and the amount of corruption that both countries generate on your doorstep. that hasn't been a great gift of it. again, i think that that without this european union perspective and without the european union member membership, i think also there risks for the rest of europe have been much, much larger. and where you mentioned romania pull area, which are one of the pressure steel members states. well, but with all mother stay, look at my own country, estonia. if i look back 30 or 25 years,
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and if i think about the stone it today, i still think that it has been was a great achievement of europe that well, they took estonia and, and we managed to showing. and if you look at all the changes, but of course it takes time because all what happened with these particular countries in eastern europe, they didn't happen within a couple of years. they happened within half a century. 50 years of how to say wrong history. now to imagine that they were to think and they fixed within a couple of years. well, it's illusion, but it will happen, but it will take time. mr. pie, how worried you about the news this week? the parties of the far right of formed an alliance against brussels, saying they'll fight for what they call national sovereignty and tried to prevent a european state. these 16 parties from 15 countries in the european union, in a direct challenge to the rules that they signed up to when they exceeded to the
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european union. that's hardly progress, is it? while i'm not worried, because we have seen this kind of slogan, send attempt. so, so during previous years, there is no election senior level than slogans i mean, they've been managed to bring you to south to a standstill in certain areas. does that? no, i disagree so far, its own the slogan sense. we have seen the slogan salsa during previous years, because you, if you look at these concrete political parties, then they are very different. some parties are very pro russian, some are very much against russia. some part, these one still very strong involvement of the state in economy or some other part this they don't want so that in subs from substance actually they are very, very different. and it also has been the reason why so far they didn't manage to unite their forces. so that's one of the things. one of the things that does unite
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them is the issue of migrants, which has been particularly divisive for the you. and i think that actually majority of citizens in europe, they are very worried about the migration issues starting from this. that's why people all have to leave data, their homeland in the sunsets. it's very human and in lots of cases human tragedy. so that i guess the majority of people in europe in distance don't want to see that people will have to leave their homes and start the life of ripple g. i'm not only about to say yes, miss denied. perhaps the most disappointing aspect which human rights groups are underlined last month is how the e u has failed to safeguard people. again, serious human rights violations at its external borders. the spotlight has fallen on the border agency front, tx, which is accused by human rights watch of failing repeatedly to take action of allegations of human rights violations. that's a serious issue, isn't it?
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it's exposed deep pulled lines in the values that all mental countries were supposed to sign up to have been a major disappointment for you. why the, for me, the big disappointment actually is that we still have the situation that there are lots of people who have to leave that homes and they have chosen the way to, to be in refugee. so that once again, i think that europe, but also other strong countries in the world, they have to do everything that people simply don't have to leave their homes. but before really there are, if which east and of course you have to handle this, you have to handle the people who have well the right for protection. they should get it. and people who don't have this right, they well should be returned. yes. or some way, or it's the way they are being treated at the european union's borders by the board agency, front tech. this is what has attracted
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a lot of attention from the human rights and a lot of human rights groups on a lot of criticism as well. that from tx, the border agency is accused of failing repeatedly to take action over allegations of human rights violations. why is that, and why is it allowed? well, of course all this kind of why elation so for existing laws and rules, they should not happen. so that in distance, i also hope that the beach front think sort of be any other organisation has to have its lessons learned so that this kind of thing should not happen again. but we also should understand that well, for many people, for many organizations, including chronics, last years, they have been very fast and rapid development. there have been lots of changes in their organisation and lots of changes in situation. but just to concrete, that doesn't justify ministry. absolutely. not absolutely not, absolutely not, but,
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but i think that our perspective also should be to the future. so that's all this mistreatment sent violation so they should be investigated so that they will not happen again because yeah, i agree that all this kind of stuff where people have been treated badly or, or against the law. well, they should never happen again. is it any wonder then the, when these things happening, that so many in europe feel that the european project is in serious trouble? last month there was new polling and research by the council on foreign relations, which showed that majorities in france, germany, italy, spain and austria, now judged the e u to be broken in france. the figure was just over 60 percent. and you worried by these high levels of dissatisfaction with the functioning of the you? well, i haven't seen these figures my last figures, we're bit more optimistic. but anyway, of course, this is
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a very they so work to explain why still it is important that europe and countries are together and make operation because what is and i'll turn up if every and each while european country will be on its own. in today's world, nobody really can balance be china, be try show also other big players. so that if you look from economic point to fuel filter, look from security point to fuel, personal freedoms, point of fuel than i did. and i personally didn't discover any real turn on if the present situation, but of course it needs explanation. it needs also work with public opinion, or must pied spin good to have you on comes examine. thank you very much indeed. thank you. the
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