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to venture just don't lose your grip. the treasure map for modern globe. trotter's gover. some of europe's wicker brake is also in book form. the last month you as president biden met with russian president putin and delivered a clear message. stop the hacking your tax on us targets. or else why did said the world would know in several months whether or not his words had made a difference at the kremlin. well, since then, cyber attacks originating and russia have not stopped in just the last week, 2 major attacks, one of them disrupting businesses from san francisco to stock on the largest such attack ever. but so far, not large enough to make a difference at the white house. i'm bringing from berlin. this is the day
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the me the attack over the weekend underscore the need for companies and government agencies as well. to focus on improving cyber security, it appears to have caused minimal damage to us businesses, but we're still gathering information if we want to keep electricity right. if we want to keep you know, people want to be able to use amazon, all that kind of stuff. this is, this is the new world, the majority of ransomware events you don't get disclosed. and that's part of what has allowed this robust network of criminal organizations. it broke the russian government cannot or will not take action against criminal actors residing in russia. we will take action also coming up and you thought former us president donald trump, already had more than enough legal cases to deal with. today. trump said that he is
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suing facebook, twitter and google. they are alleged crime. they silenced him, were demanding and do the shadow banning a stop to the silencing and a stop to the blacklisting, banishing and canceling that you know, so well as you, our viewers on p b. s in the united states into all of the, around the world. welcome, we begin the day with the cyber attacks on the us coming from russia. they are getting larger, impacting more businesses and more people, and they may be partly behind an expensive rethink at the pentagon. laid on tuesday, the u. s. military announce that it will terminate a $10000000000.00 cloud computing contract with microsoft siding, the shifting technological environment. what does that mean exactly? back in 2019, depending on awarded the lucrative contract to microsoft since then vulnerabilities
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and cloud computing they've been revealed in numerous acting incidence. the pentagon did not mention this specifically, but it really didn't have to cyber attacks. some, including ransomware had become a matter of us national security. earlier this year, a cyber attack on a gas pipeline led to gasoline shortages across the country and panic, buying gas stations. now this latest ransomware attack targeted software made by to see and that's a u. s. firm with hundreds of clients around the world. today, the heads of homeland security, the state department and intelligence were at the white house to discuss the response with president by the russian government cannot or will not take action against criminal actors residing in russia. we will take action or reserve the right to take action on our own. now in this case, you know, there, the intelligence community has not yet attributed the attack. the cyber security
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community agrees that are evil operates out of russia, with affiliate around the world. so we will continue to, wow, that's just meant to continue. but in our conversations and we have been in touch directly, we are continuing to convey that message clearly. for more on this story tonight, i'm happy to welcome cybersecurity expert jason crabtree, choose the show. he is the founder of complex, which helps companies deal with data and risk analysis. he is also a special advisor to the senior leaders in the department of defense, cyber community. jason, it's good to have you on the program. i suppose you are the man to ask tonight, what are you hearing? are you convinced that this ransom where attack has a russian fingerprint? well, it's great to be here with you. i think the reality for us is that re, val, is a russian affiliated ransomware, gang that does operate a global affiliate network. and while being an affiliate is certainly
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a step short of active state sponsorship, it does turn out that there is certainly willful ignorance on behalf of the russian state and failing to look into or in fact, enforce international laws and expectations going after these criminal organizations will i'm considering that what do you suppose was discussed today in the white house when the heads of homeland security, the state department in the intelligence community met with the president. i mean, where they discussing a response to this. i think the reality here is that the by new ministration has to figure out how to do 2 things simultaneously. it has to help advance the interests of defenders to make ourselves more capable of defending against these kinds of cyber incidents. at the same time that it builds an international coalition and deals with building capabilities within the international law enforcement community to go after these transnational criminal organizations.
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that's tough but doable. but we've got to do both together. if we're going to be successful in putting the kinds of pressure on kootenai that is specific enough to in fact, in gender, any sort of useful response, you're talking about maybe an interpol for cyber security, if you will, if you see anything like that being created. well, i think you have seen lisa monaco at department of justice and other senior leaders and department of justice director chris re actually do a lot to start developing more expertise with the department of justice and the federal investigative arm. but we've got to do more work to have the information available and to build the operational coalitions, notably, you saw the ukrainians actually take down a significant ransomware gang the same day of president biden and president putin summit. so i do think you are seeing folks step in and say, here's what it looks like to be a good partner in fighting these criminal organizations. what do you make of the reports that dutch authorities towed?
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because a back in april that there was a cybersecurity flaw in their software. and how should say you have reacted then? i think for companies like can say that have vulnerabilities in their products. the best thing they can do is make sure that they have a practiced and controlled way of rapidly informing clients and introducing patches . remember to say it wasn't the only company with a major vulnerability this week. microsoft has a catastrophic vulnerability in its principal or services that are allowing its clients to be exploited around the world as well right now. but in terms of cafe as customers, part of why the can say a breach is so impactful, is that to say as vulnerability was actually exploited within man security companies that are effectively part of the out sourced departments for a lot of small companies and large companies like the swedish grocery chain co op, that was shut down as a result of the attack. and that's part of why regal,
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in this case, was able to compromise, actually a small number of customers at this point, believe to be in the fifty's less than 60 according to say, but yet reach over a 1000 and customers. because cafe as customers are part of the digital supply chain of companies like co op and the pharmacies and others that were impacted in this, that impact every day consumers. yeah, and i'm wondering if the policy makers and also if the public, if they realize here that we're looking at a perfect storm or we were talking about a mixture of ransom where and supply chain attacks coming together. that is about as bad as it could get right. i think the reality is criminal organizations want to get paid and they'd like to get paid as efficiently as possible. so if they can compromise, manage security providers, which are a part of the ultimately impacted ransomed organization supply chain, or if they can compromise, why we use pieces of software like to say, or like solar winds,
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especially software that's used to manage these networks. that's a tremendously efficient way for them to leverage their efforts to get access to more targets at lower costs. but it's not the only way in, and there are way too many companies that have very vulnerable security posture. and that's part of why you see these ransomware events continue to propagate. so substantially, and, you know, we've been hearing that for years and, you know, i've asked many cybersecurity experts, what would you advise companies to do now? and it's always, you know, you've got to check your cybersecurity, your apparatus or software, but can't accompany ever get ahead of the criminal curve when it comes to cybersecurity or many of the kinds of vulnerabilities that are exploited by lots of ransomware groups. remember, it's not just revolt. you have other folks by the dark side that were a part of the u. s. colonial pipeline bridge. you have folks like county that were a part of the irish health care system and actually had been a part of numerous health care and other corporate ransom events. the united states
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. hundreds according to the f. b i. these organizations predominantly work by finding people who look like good targets. they scam me outside of these organizations and they look at companies but look like they might have the ability to pay and they look like they're going to use to get into. so the best thing you can do is make yourself not look like a target. make sure you're not using passwords, make sure that you're looking at your privileged accounts and internal networks. and, you know, frankly, organizations have to stop just building higher walls, higher fences. they have to do more work to look at the inside of their business and monitor and hunt for these malicious actors once they're in their networks. so they make big events into small ones. let me just ask before we run out of time, if you were sitting with the us president tonight and advising him on what to do, he said at the summit with vladimir approach. and you know, we have to ensure that the kremlin doesn't see it to be in its interest anymore for the cyber attacks to take place. what should the us do next to bring that message
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home to the kremlin, that it's not in your interest to do this anymore? i think we have to make sure because we live in a glass house and a lot of western society does. we've got to actually ensure that there is transparency about these ransomware events. many are not reported. we should make sure that that stops. we need to make sure we're defending better at home. we need to pursue law enforcement actions against these groups. and let's make sure that the affiliate networks and the members of regal and other groups are not able to travel outside of the contiguous region, ultimately controlled by vladimir putin. and then if we do all those things, we're going to be in a much better position to have a global scope and understanding of these problems and put more formal pressure and economic pressure back on the russian state to enforce these kinds of rules and standards at home. okay, jason, gregory, founder of complex tricks. we appreciate your insights tonight. we will stay in touch with you. this story will have some very long legs. i think thank you very to
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be here. the easy, obese says it will allow humanitarian aid flights to enter the northern te growing region, which is on the brink of famine. since november ethiopian soldiers alongside troops from neighboring eritrea have been fighting rebel forces known as the t great people's liberation for just last week. the rebels retook the regional capital. you see right there mckayla. they have now agreed to a conditional ceasefire, but 1st they want government troops to leave and they want an independent investigation into quote her rick more crimes. and wait a moment, i'll ask e c o p as in bastard to germany about those claims. but 1st, the human cost of 8 months of fighting. thousands have been killed in air strikes, massacres and artillery fire. more than 60000 people in te gray have fled their homes to neighboring sudan, and the conflict has cut off food supplies. 400000 people are now living in famine
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. international pressure is increasing on e t o p as nobel peace prize winning prime minister abi, off mid to stop the fighting. the people of t grey have and continue to suffer tremendously. and the ability of this communitarian assistance to enter the region, unimpeded and unhindered is of paramount importance to us. we call on all armed actors to commit to an immediate indefinite negotiated fees. so that was a us state department spoke and speaking yesterday will i'm joined now by really solomon the news that she is. if you're be as ambassador to germany, ambassador, it's good to have you on the program. i want to begin with the news that the government will allow aid flights into the t great region. when will these flights
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begin? thank you for asking, but for the many issues you put earlier since the 2018 it was t p and therefore creating violence and getting violence and government or so how tried all the people try to bring peace, but they rejected the piece into the continue in violence and or thought of that of the one who started dragging the national source, which was built in t p into right. so who destroyed or infrastructure or government threads or bases to reach the humanitarian and twitched by now 5200000 people is addressed by 33 phases and 70 percent. so let's come up to a month and 60 percent by the international committee and in the us and others, and by the government led to the to guy for the peace reason. the government sees fire is deliberately toward today's is the thing that people
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have a combination, the reasons why the government left and just to help the humidity of access and reach with the humidity. i hope that the region ambassador, if i could ask you investor, if i could just ask you 11 once i get the flights there to bring food in a, to the people there in the region. do you know when those flights will begin? yeah, but that this is immediate immediately that the government allowed up the flash can go in supply of food because the bridges are the dish month by t t. i live in building the bridges, and the reality is us government is do all it's from the, from the beginning to reach miniature on it. and also after the international community for additional health, that's the need for money to support. and as a government such, you'd use to start farming. we'll see for reason why the government try to
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tool allow, she's fire is to hold human 3 axis and reach those who are in need. in addition to that of the time of this reason, susan or farming they were, the government is applying all of the cultural input so that the farmers can plant during the season of farming. and also to accelerate the return of international dismissed people so that they can go to that region. i'm going to need to do the locus and also impact of the 1900 fund investor. let me just ask you the in terms of food and the famine in the great region, the united nations says that your government has been using food as a weapon of war and that the government has tried to starve the rebels into surrendering. it is completely untrue. it's just for me called the government was trying to supply that it was deep in therefore even i'm pushing the humidity and
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support even was trying to convey and others hiding in the, in the corners. and also by the time they leave when the operation was looking for someone to professionals, finalized in a short time. yeah. because i got one month for someone to major to make guy safe and also save the country. but since there at least $10000.00 prisoners and without a moment and also it lost who are scattered, were staying in the corner. and one was looking the support and the ends up to give them to the nitty that the government has been doing all this. and this what they say the government is using this, this to grad people. are our people are brothers and sisters. how does the government do you think and do this? i'm believable at all. well, will you then allow what the rebels are asking for in that is an independent investigation into what they say are possible wars or crimes against humanity?
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yeah, regarding human rights violence in the kinds about humanity. it is a joke and government by its own initiative, who requested the investigation of the independent, international and local investigator. so that's why the international, the united nation, human rights commission, african you new union, human rights and the people's rights commission. and the ciocca human rights commission are investigating. and the 2 shall prevent it from government by its own initiative. who requested the investigation is carried on and even the house right and bring it to the to the, to the just the best of luck. fortunately, we are out of time and best unfortunately, we're out of time, but i appreciate you taking the time to talk with us tonight. thank you. thank you so much the where the world has heard a lot less from donald trump since he left the white house earlier this year.
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social media giants, twitter, and facebook silence, the former president, following his incitement of the storming of the u. s. capital building on january 6, trump was still president at the time when today trump announced he is filing a class action lawsuit against facebook, twitter, and google for denying a sitting president his platform of choice. the former president is seeking financial compensation today in conjunction with the america 1st policy institute, i'm filing as the lead class representative, a major class action lawsuit against the big tech giant including facebook, google and twitter, as well as their ceo's mark zuckerberg, sunder book j, and jack dorsey 3, real nice. we're going to hold big tech very accountable.
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this is the 1st of numerous other lawsuits. i assume that would follow, but this is the lead and i think it's going to be very, very important game changer for a country or communication law experts and said today that the company did nothing illegal and they have called the trump lawsuit frivolous. let's go now to los angeles and bringing ethan barron. he is a us political commentator. he's a national syndicated talk. radio hosts even. it's good to have you back on the show you were out there in california. that's the state where most social media giants call home. how is silicon valley explaining this law suit to itself? well, it's really simple. it's fundraising mechanism. and in a desperate seeking of attention by the former president of the united states, it's not going to go very far in the courts unless this new supreme court is going
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to do something really surprising and want to take it up to strike down. section 230 my title 47 of the u. s. code, which is the communications decency act that allows these providers to actually function if for whatever reason this lawsuit should actually go anywhere. and section $230.00 get struck down, google, facebook, twitter, any social media platform of any kind, any content publishing platform that operates in the united states would essentially see the function due to the lawsuits that would be filed against them. you said that the president is doing this to raise money. money for what i mean, what do you think this is part of a bigger plan? yeah, so look, the, these lawsuits. some of them have turned into wonderful fundraising mechanisms. shortly after filing lawsuits in the southern district of florida day,
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today in federal court, they sent out fundraiser e mails and i'm, it's to fund himself. he's in a lot of trouble. his organization is at least the trump organization is being criminally investigated in new york. and he needs to raise funds if he thinks he's going to run again in 2024. and we heard today from some analysts saying that the timing of this announcement today is important and they saw it as a way to distract from last week's announcement of charges of tech tax roll charges against the trump organization. do you agree? yeah, i think that's a big part of it. looked at the news hasn't been good for the trump organization for president trump himself. he has huge loans that are coming due according to reports that i've read. and if that's the case, he has a lot of different things that he's worried about. whether it's his organization, whether it's him personally,
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whether it's all these debts that are coming due and the fact that he's just not getting the attention. and there was even a, a poll on twitter i saw recently by a leading kind of right wing voice that showed that people don't necessarily want trump to win the primary in 2024. it would, do you see a big irony here? and donald trump was the president, the 1st president to really use social media, particularly twitter, to communicate with the public into bypass traditional gatekeepers, such as you know, media and journalist and it worked for him. and now he's out of office and he's launching a legal attack against these companies. i wasn't supposed to go that way. was it 4 years ago? no, he also had total republican control for 2 years. so he wanted to change section $230.00 of the communications decency act. his party controlled the senate, his party control the house. he controlled the executive branch. he had 2 full years to modify that law. that's what he really wanted to do. furthermore,
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he's an absolute hypocrite because in his own lawsuit where he was a defendant for blocking users on twitter, who with whom he disagreed, his argument was, he had the right to block people because it's a private platform. that was his argument then. now his argument is the opposite. i find him to be inconsistent in almost everything that he has ever said. that since he really entered the public sphere in the political realm and the lies documented by the washington post show that and this these lawsuit today show further hypocrisy on his part and briefly, why do you think he's going after the see of these companies? is it because they also have deep pockets? yeah, i mean it's, and it's as much essentially a fear tactic that's used to put them on notice and to put pressure on them. it's political pressure, ease, ease using the legal system and he's well known. i think he has filed several 1000
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law suits over the last 40 plus years. and so he uses that pressure as leverage to get people to do what he wants, whether or not he's going to win the lawsuit. all right, it's environment, it's always easy. it's good to get your insights, especially from the west coast of the united states. even thank. thanks so much. the finally, tonight we go to the east coast of the united states. new york city has honored frontline health care providers and other essential workers for their heroism. in the cove, in 1900 pandemic ticker tape parade on broadway. they are a new tradition going back a 125 years. they've been reserved for returning war veterans, sports champions, and other heroes officials think workers these essential work for today putting their lives at risk to help others when the city was experiencing one of the 1st major outbreaks of the vibes in recent weeks, most pain, the restrictions have been lifted in new york and parade for the true heroes.
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the ah, the news . this is the w news live from berlin tonight, international condemnation. after he knew the president is assassinated, has declared a state of emergency after gun been murdered. job nemo, east and severely wounded. his wife overnight read on their private residence. hall is month for social and political of people in the country. also coming up tonight, the netherlands, shocked by a gun attack on a prominent crime report to pay to the free his fighting for his life after being shot in the streets of amsterdam. authorities are investigating leads to his work
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on organized crime. and as the u. k and the european union struggle over post breaks the trade rules, british oil is in northern ireland, say they're being ignored. our correspondence meets some who fear their being cut off from britain completed. ah, ah, i burned golf, it's good to have you with the assassination of haiti's president job and i'm always has drawn international condemnation. haiti has declared a 2 week state of emergency and given the executive branch stronger powers to deal with what appears to be a worsening situation. president luis was killed late tuesday night by a squad of gunman at his home near the capital port prince. haiti has seen a rise in politically motivated violence in recent months. this was the
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moment jovan em. we knew he had one. how you do the presidential elections in 2015 . he was officially sworn in over a year later, with his wife mattie mois by his side, with his rule, came to a sudden end when gunman right at his home. in the early hours of wednesday, his wife was critically winded through some part of hall have emptied out. following the fascination the international airport was closed. the government has declared an emergency. what they don't, if you declare it is we have decided to declare a state of siege and the country where i share the thought of the president's wife, who happened to be with him the evening of the summer.
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it will be last year that it kind of asked for people to stay calm. we appeal to the intelligence of patients in this difficult time. now my president, we says assassination comes on the rise of gun violence and a growing humanitarian crisis. food and fuel shortages, as well as rising inflation, all making life extremely difficult patients over half the population and less than $2.00 a day. and the political situation has been far from stable for the past 2 years. moist had been ruling hated by decree. after the country failed to hold elections, a result of political gridlock and the rest opposition leaders have been demanding . we step down, they claim to term legally ended in february 2021, following the assassination internationally. this wound of an escalation. this is
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a critical moment. i think we all knew it was sensitive and difficult to on the ground. and in view of the political situation and the security situation, this put staff in the grave or danger than before. on twitter use topped implement joyce that bro wrote shocked by the assassination of haitian president java no more . if we had an exchange that the magic form and the 3 weeks ago, this crime pages of risk of instability and a spiral of violence. the perpetrators of this assassination must be found and brought to justice. so far, ne group has claimed responsibility. the attack isn't that much of from main unknown? well before the show we spoke with, with lord marin court editor in chief of the online news agency, you both post in the haitian capital border prince. and we asked him how were here
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that the country already struggling with instability will nail spiral further into chaos? is there a situation and the situation was already difficult before the emission of the president? remember, the person is working on last week and we are still trying to know who conducted the attack and what, what the motivations you have large. but of the country controlled by games, thousands of people seeking shelters because they are sitting in violence. and d, c, d, or too heavy. they are buried in the country in civil main roads. why the police can't do anything? because the, sometimes they have more than the police. it's a very stable situation. and that was journalists,
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would lord marin court from the haitian capital. puerto prince speaking with his earlier european union leaders have described the shooting of a prominent dutch investigative journalists as an attack on our values. peter de vries was gun down in amsterdam on tuesday, and he remains in the hospital tonight. in serious condition. authorities are examining possible links to his reporting and his role in the court case against a major criminal gang described by police as a well oiled sewing machine. a day after one of the netherlands, most famous journalists was gone down while wishes gather on the street where he was shot. witnesses, se, pete. the defeat was shot 5 times, including once in the head and in comprehensive crime for many here. book of shocking news. it's really shocking news. what happened to peter if he's really not expected, even if a lot of people did find that he did dangerous things, so to say,
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but it should never happen. if they had just finished an interview on dutch tv when he was attacked, the 64 year old journalist rose to prominence for crime reporting. and as an advocate for survivors of violent crimes, activities, police long fed would make him a target for reprisals. dutch authorities described to the attempted murder as an attack on the country's freedom of price and democracy and an attempt to snuff out one of the country's leading voices they to air disease. it was free as a national hero for all of us. and uncommonly brave journalist also, ty, listen, is search for justice fully independent and free experience. the phrase is currently in serious condition. at this hospital, dutch police have arrested 2 men in connection with the attack. a 3rd man has been released so found no motive has been identified when he
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w max sander he is in amsterdam tonight following the story force. he is at the place where mister de freece was gone down. good evening to you, max, is there any update on the condition of mr. freeze? what have you heard? yes, friend. well there's, there's very little information coming out of the hospital where mister, the phase is being treated right now. we know he's there and he's being handled, guarded, and there's very little information being released probably also due to security concerns. and what we know is the fact that he was, he was here in the industry last night and he was struck by, by bullets, one of them out going to reports in the head. so we have reason to believe has very serious injuries. and the mayor of amsterdam said in our public appearance, and when she was speaking to the public, which was speaking to the press, that mister fees was fighting in the hospital fighting for his life. that is
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definitely not the news that we were hoping to hear. what do we know max about? the suspects in this case and they are possible motives the right to 3 men represented hours after the shooting last night. one of them was like, go, he does not believe to have any connection to the shooting, but 2 men were travelling in a car leaving the city hours after the shooting were pulled over by police 35 year old polish citizen, as well as a 21 year old dutch citizen, they are going to be presented to the judge of the next following days. of police have subsequently searched their apartments and come up, came up with hard drives and with ammunition as their motives. at this point, it's still very clear. a lot of police work still has to be done, but what we know is that pay the fees is one of the most popular journalists here in this country. he's the crime, the journalist here in this country, and he's been shedding, shining a light on the criminal underworld tier and the netherlands for last 40 years. and
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as many, many, many phones. huge whole for ship, but also many enemies along the way. we use marks it's under in amsterdam. he was there at the site where crime reporter painted to freeze was gone down on tuesday. let's take a look now at some more stories that are making headlines around the world. africa in special forces have been deployed to push tale on fighters out of the northern provincial capital of conduce the elite soldiers were deployed after fighting reach the cities outskirts. most corners districts have fallen to the taliban in recent days. following western forces withdraw from afghanistan, icing here it's all has been sworn in as israel's 11th president, after taking oath and the can acid, which is the israeli parliament. it's all promised to try to heal is really society after years of division, the position of president and israel is largely ceremonial. it's designed to serve as the countries moral call him. when he has said that it will build
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a barrier on its border with bell roofs and deploy troops. they are to stop people crossing illegally. vilnius says mens is allowing migrants to cross into lithuania in response to sanctions imposed by the european union and accuses meant flying in migrants from abroad to send to the european union european commission chief ursula from july. and she is warned hungary that it will face legal action if it fails to repeal a new law. the critics say discriminates against the l g b t, q, community, the wall bands content about homosexuality and gender change from schools and the media. staying here in europe now to northern ireland, where disputes over post breaks it, trading rules are fanning old tensions on the streets pro british groups. they are angry about restrictions on goods sent from the rest of the u. k. now that's rekindled fears of sectarian violence in northern ireland. w. beer. good mos
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reports tonight from belfast, where support for paramilitary groups is resurfacing. these people want to remain part of the united kingdom. the protest march runs along the outskirts of spells false and was forbidden by the police. but they are demonstrating nonetheless, because they feel the british government has given up on northern ireland. we have no, i got a partition day, mary. she something the people and also have for, for, for hundreds of years is remy and part of the united kingdom. and now we find ourselves divided from the united kingdom with no consent were produced by blood. but the blood flow sure begins. but as our possession of n shady and a kingdom, no, we're no longer partly united kingdom for the part of it, because our constitutional laws are in brussels mer before brags and people know the norland had the choice of identity. they could feel british or irish or both. but drexel has created
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a new customs border between northern ireland and the rest of the united kingdom. and as a result, sectarian tensions have been rising. take darren symbols like this are everywhere. northern ireland, the red hand stands for one of many paramilitary organizations. and the british flag means that this area is dominated by protestants. jill keys grew up in a neighborhood like this, and it's familiar with the paramilitary groups. well, he's proud of protestant traditions and he's afraid of losing them. some people are loyalty as to the queen, sometimes it's their british identity and people fly their flags just of pure love . they're down to me. it's an expression of her. they are catholics live right next door behind a big wall. most of them would like a union with republic of ireland. and they think that this is becoming more likely pub, no, willie wat things the protestants just have to accept and learn more once good.
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they can still have their body shut down today because we still have our, at a down to they were still occupied by the british. so mainly we have no for the, for 100 years. let them see how they can move us. this would be a nightmare for joe keith, so he thinks the protestants must fight for what they want. sometimes violence is the thing that you have to day. i'm not sure that we have to day up. i'm not saying that we will have to. i'm just sent, you asked me to take it off the table to ask me to categorically read it. especially when our political opponents have made very clear that they are not going to take it off the table. it's, it's an unreasonable request. right now. protestant use of preparing enormous bonfires all across north knowledge. these annual fires memorialized the historic victory over the catholics in the 17th century. this year, many of the of the bonfires might get out of control. brackson has presented the biggest danger yet to northern ireland, fragile peace. that's one thing that the protestants and catholics agree on.
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