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good times are good for the. war many of them do. drugs illegal as well but yet. the industry is controlling your thoughts the great books of the 20th century. present a hoax or those. great memories. during your current course you may 3rd. the fact that. i see you chance form elected to become much more popular than the complete truth but the bottom line is that the base did not support lash i don't believe the fake information are you concerned that germany is falling also into a trap when it comes to china we have to take a more talk we the contrast couldn't be more stark last year germany was seen as a role model in fighting the coronavirus pandemic now a 3rd wave is hitting the country hard america's party is slipping ahead of
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september elections which will decide her successor after 16 years in power my guess this week is you're going to hart see the new member of the german bundestag and spokesperson for the conservatives parliamentary group as germany prepares to move on from merkel even what state does she leave her party and her country. you're going hard to welcome to conflict zone you know 16 years of angela merkel and these days the c.d.u. has lost ground in the polls there's been a bitter fight for her succession in the party and coronaviruses hitting the country hard issue leaving behind a mass i think we have. a tough debate on the question right successor might be successor. as you do see from 4 chances. ship in germany.
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2 weeks ago we are going from the boat that both chairman of the 2 party city says will mark a pseudo from season 2 and i mean i said from city to both want to run as candidate for chance at ship and it took 9 days of discussion in different formats as a party and then the decision came out that i made it i said to chair osa c.v. and prime minister of most investigating i would be candidate i think 9 days it's not too much to take such a important decision and look it was a code that situation we have heard and learned yesterday from the meeting from the private this is specific and so that we make huge steps forward concerning that situation we are now about 25 percent of corporation and i want to talk about in particular about that battle for succession but 1st let me ask you about a the state of unity at the at the very top sell because in the past month merkel very publicly criticized her successor and the party arm in washington you've just
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mentioned over lock down policies does merkel not want the c.d.u. to be in the chancellor a 4th term. we don't have the feeling that the chances are both in voice in that fight between the 2 party chairmen i think she was standing neutral in that position there sometime back i think we in what i just heard about meant you know what i'm talking about forgiving mr hart is is that she publicly on a highly viewed television program singled out shit for failing to activate an emergency brake in the face of rising cases he also criticized her lockdown measures as treating citizens like under age children so with rhetoric like that flying back and forth between the top politicians tell us this public display of disagreement when the cd use future claim for the chancellorship is shaky does she not want the c.d.u. to retain power and i don't i don't. see that and that way and we have to situation
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germany in that we have 616 state governments and a federal witness stand it was different kind of combinations of governments nearly all are led by coalitions and i mean it's having a coalition including the liberal party which is opposite to the federal government at the federal level and it's a huge challenge to bent's of the different minds and moods and the different parties in the coalitions and the states and the chance to knows about the difficulty especially i mean that has was the liberals which are much more in favor of the opening of business and restaurants for example instead of stating i like to look down and this debate was attended by me last night and i think the proper way and look to the party reach to the state having a one person majority in the parliament and running a successful government for a over 4 years now this is a impressive result but could there not be not more unity that is the question you
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mentioned earlier that the cracks that have been openly displayed in your conservative party union the process to pick the candidate for a chance of described as chaotic public very messy 5 months before you go to a national election don't conservatives be need to be more united to win and i think we are on the night of no behind i mean i said i and expect that also it also is a christian social union in bavaria and its leader marcus it i stayed close behind the candidate and i said we have had this debate in germany also and of the seventy's as you remember 3 years later the chairman o.c.d. with him of course tensed up by getting 48.8 percent of elections and 138304 but now it's. just amazing of the people concerning the result of selection and what will be the real result in 5 months there will be huge huge gap it. and i hope that you didn't see that and see as who
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increase they are. there they have a pulse and also the result at the end and this also to true the fact that. most of the people expect that city who could do it better than others have your pens the right hope though on the right candidate because 72 percent of your conservatives disagreeing that you didn't pick the right candidate they say that the c.s.u. candidate marcus said are not the c. to use on lash it was better suited to become chancellor so why didn't you take the most favored candidate i can tell you my experience it was in the spring 17 of my 2 choices from the social democrats fox was fall and head of i'm going to market as chancellor candidate of the city with ease with time for 2017 elections and nobody believed that it was easy you can do it again and looking to results.
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as a social democrats with multi choice came out very poor after the last elections because momentum few on the popularity of politicians it's nothing we have we can trust on concerning the outcome of elections and i mean lost it by himself he was a fall behind the acting prime minister of most of us figure in may 2017 and he won the election but the bottom line is that the base did not support lash at the base of your party your grass roots in your party are said to be frustrated and fact if you're not even listening to them how should people think that you listen to the country don't don't don't believe what you can read in flux from the various others and my estimation especially from the debate and of proof 2 weeks ago where we discussed it was up to 7 people and. questions to the. it's
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a group meeting and there was. programmed around that mark a pseudo boss was spinning that and i am sure that if we would have voted in that time that would be of a charity for me like shit don't believe the fake information that is sponsored by those who wants to have got that can stop it as a fight not saying there are days when it is important i suppose i started by the sword and by by by the 59 percent that said that all men lost it would would not be a good candidate according to the dutch line trend for example i mean there's many polls that go in that direction but i just like so many how many of those people can judge on it how many people know about i mean like shit marcus who does much more popular. t.v. and in germany as prime minister who area and i see you chance for me leslie to become much more popular and on the campaign trail and he will at the end of city even with the elections but just briefly i mean the c.d.u. has already lost key bellwether regional elections in the past months do you worry
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the same might happen on the national level i don't i don't think so i would like not like to have it i think we have to have the heart to do hard work but you can't do that what does the results in the last elections were i mean like should reach the 6.7 percent plus in the last elections it was not 17 and michael save the pseudo last 10.4.5 percent of area forces uses social union therefore i cannot i cannot see that with marcus if you're on a better track concerning success than it was i mean i should bottom line there is a sentiment among many in the country that they're tired they're tired of the coronavirus pandemic in fact 79 percent also they say that they are not satisfied with the way that the government has managed the pandemic doctors are warning that i'd say you beds are filling up it's quite a contrast because last year germany was being held up as a role model for fighting the pandemic did map look at to come. double i think we
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have some point spread germany is in a leading role if you look for example to the rate of people that died was corona germany and the top group. was and significantly lower numbers and several different other states especially sweden are also u.k. also but we have a problem concerning the vaccine the challenge for european union is that we are able to develop excellent great scene like buying tech works even from from germany but that we are not able to put to use it in high quantities not able to produce it and i quantities because we have kept the cities for production of how much like you can products not as not as for example and india or china or even on us and we have to to face the challenge in europe that we have to come closer to a point where we also are able to produce such things in our course will get the vaccine that's certainly something that we're going to talk about but let's talk
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about the other tools they have had at your disposal because there's been a lot of confusion about the government's measures the delay of the rapid test rollout for example ahead of the easter holiday merkel she tried to institute a hard lockdown then rolled it back after harsh criticism then took the extraordinary step of issuing a formal apology has merkel lost her way. i think some of us and exuding need we would appreciate to have something like a hockey lockdown for the 2 easter weeks the week before and off they used to because we think that schools were closed in that time to see all the days that also business is down around easton and therefore we would we could chance to reduce the fiction rate in germany by doing a hard to lock down for 2 weeks but this was not possible to agree on between 16 different and had so for the goodness and germany and due to the fact that the health policy is mainly driven by the states the federal government cannot push
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through is actually a measure looking back to what we have packed in the last weeks i think of the number of people that expect that it's not to knock down over the stunt would be better than that but we did it's increasing but that's have us nothing and now we have this regulation that about hundreds. we have to to shut down from 10 in the evening up to 5 in the morning i hope that will help to reduce the number of convictions the majority of people say though that the federal government has simply repeatedly promised more than it could deliver on the measures that it has had at its disposal and you know you're talking about these these these lockdowns now isn't it in paris saying same countries for example i think u.k. and the us slowly opening back up on germany is still talking about harsher lockdowns highly controversial night curfews dramatic changes to the law for a so-called emergency brake. i think looking to all those other countries and you
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mentioned you mentioned to u.k. the people in those countries have to face much harder and much much harsher transcription than we had effected germany germany was under relatively smooth way to to infrastructure is to to to civil rights and that in the face of and go fight in corona and chance that told us looking to london where as it was a genuine february if you have an infection rate of about 1800 you have not to put measures by the state because people are afraid to go in street they are afraid to go to work they are free to go for shopping because they see the long cross off offer and medical carts standing at the hospitals and no place for 444 people that . they need help in the hospitals and this is what be in that in germany because we have a lot. to ation even the situation in the hospitals was always under control and therefore it's might be
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a little bit more difficult to convince people in germany that we are not on the secure site but that we have to be and take attention on what happens and that we also have to take my chances of future and the debate is ongoing and the debate is maybe harder in germany than in other countries right because we have this federal system between the states and the federal level during the race to vaccinate the population as you've mentioned in germany ranks 15 however when it comes to e.u. countries that have administered at least one vaccine doses among adults adults according to the european centers for disease control is this really a number that a country like germany should be proud of is this the best that the government could it. we decided to take a european common european union solution because we say we have not invited if we wait seen all germans but people in countries around germany and the cliques united and i think this might come back to us as a boomerang if we don't. creature flu vaccination of all people that are close to
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us was almost restricted it was on the borders which close economic and. ties and therefore decision was to follow the european union program but it's not just about following the european union it's about being you know average at best within the e.u. in the way that you have been executing that program and i just like to bring and you know one of your fellow lawmakers alexander starts from the s.d.p. who says germans they long believed that they lived in a well governed country one that was better run than most other states in europe both assumptions have turned out to be wrong does he have a point. i do not approve this oleksandr coughing up stuff which is political for appreciated put it from my point of view of it but of the opposite and he has to his duty is to to put its figures and questions are in critical points we have
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but look at 2 of the campaign running now 1st i would like to mention that the german government never promised to have another situation into the scene. as other would see the situation that it is all proposals of the governments about quantities of arts and nation and the fog come off works a nation is for food we are now up to 25 percent of the population and day by day we could get more than close to one percent in addition to that though that we can be sure that $100000000000.00 us of that scene for $80000000.00 inhabitants in germany might reach a situation that every german can be very good at and adult german can be vaccinated up to end of june 1st oxidative and send most of them on to a 2nd fascination and then in july and august i saw all the other us market and 2nd acts and so much on us as we'll see if you can to let me just say you were sufficiently yeah yeah ultimately though i mean even you talked about this common e.u.
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approach to vaccine picture meant they thought that that germany was very strongly supported however here now in bilateral talks with russia to secure doses of the sputnik the vaccine is lateral put in really your best hope to solve this vaccine fiasco issue and you know many i would i would use. a split in a quick scene in case that the european medical agency ima might confirm that this is a good vaccine for the pitie with sputnik is that they are not so many quantities of their product that you with their trust have not be able to sell it to other countries look into that what happened for example in the balkan states for some of the states. for example they have information that they can get some vaccine from sputnik as have learnt in the last days they didn't have any books even now and they are not able to deliver to the people because at the quantity it's not they have exit the got scene might be will but. also the production purposes capacities
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in russia and other states it's a moment too weak to produce a quantities of it but put you'd want to deliver and even more controversially and i'd like to move to international relations now merkel continues to back putin's north stream to pipeline despite fresh calls from the european parliament the us and beyond to pull the project over security concerns why is merkel still holding on to north stream 2 when it's a stain on alliances and it puts fresh cash into putin's pockets concerning the no spin to approach it wouldn't germans to have met never had the chance to corvids partners in europe and us that this pro to protect is not timing security interests of europe 'd because one of our former chancellor scatcherd us especially involved in that project and so therefore i can understand that nobody trusts in a neutral and neutral assessment of that by the german government but i can
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tell you stopping that project no would be a favor for those who invested in that project my convention is going to conviction that said this protest is economically a failure i think you would too what do you mean by the project that mr what do you mean stopping the project because i mean there's supports for example within your party reports excuse me of growing support for a moratorium in your party so 1st of all is that is that what you're talking about and if that is the case is that the best hope to kick the can down the road so essentially someone else an ally the next chancellor can take decisive leadership on whether or not this pipeline will ever operate it would be possible by german law maybe it might be really posted. by german law to stop that project but then you have to compensate all those who are invested in that project because you can stop that project but it's on a legal. it's built on and you could base and therefore you have to compensate those who invested in that and my my belief is that that this protest is
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economically a failure because we don't need to that pipe to get enough yes for germany or europe and therefore the all those companies that invested in that project have to face the challenge that that project potentially this project 'd is economically economically a failure and in case that the german taxpayer is company to pump compensating that for those companies they would laugh about and therefore i think we should concentrate on the question what about energy security in europe jim government should present to our partners in europe and us a broken how to be talk about security of energy in europe and with that although it's a question of russian gas can be uncertain but but but but mr hart you know russian aggression has been on the rise for years of course so the question is how did you get to this point and is it time to admit that merkel finds herself in a bit of a trap over north stream the project as you've highlighted more than 95 percent complete pulling political backing could be costly. did merkel miss her window to
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take decisive action is she in a trap of her own making we took russian gas also in the seventy's that said times over the union gas in the seventy's spent beaver on the cold war and we've learnt that economic relations to russia or to soviet union at a time now to russia not not at risk for security but also a chance to make. it dependency of russia on european politics and maybe to influence what happened in this country in the mid on long term situation i i think that we have to discuss about independence of few people union energy security. that's the proposal of us we should take more gas we'll ukraine instead of north cleam this doesn't change the fact that it's russian gas that is that this is gus that comes that comes from states with companies and russia and the independence of
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one source like russia for gas it would not be changed if we decide to not take it that it was grossly too but with the ukraine there are few the arguments of the other side also very weak let's let's switch gears just briefly and talk and talk about china are you concerned that germany is falling also into a trap when it comes to china because after years of fostering business ties your main business association is now saying that the west strategy for opening up china has failed they call it a wake up call is it a call that germany is potentially answering too late we have a german in the pacific strategy and we have 10 she talks european commission 2 and off years ago on a more tough strategy on china i think we should mention u.s. and north america very close in the question how to be face even creasing. because if news of china by mixing political and economic interests together and i know as a german that we as germans have to to lose
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a lot because some of our industry is very much depending on the and bed profits they they do in china but look to that watch in china is ongoing increasing pressure on people on human rights and also increasing pressure on taiwan we have to we have to take a more tough way including the question of our economic relations how tough do you think that strategy though appears to the chinese when you have human rights concerns overshadowing this investment deal for example with china that germany pushed through in december and it under its presidency you couldn't even get any meaningful commitments on. human rights they were just they promises on labor rights including forced labor did it send the wrong message to beijing european union did that work for example us to preserve us before i think i was strategy is and should be the common strategy of the best in both to create shine out backs on
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to following international regulation and international door and having a set of regulations back china's agreeing on and we have the chance potentially also the chance to judge on whether they follow or not it's better than to have said sure why the west situation as a disparate tension we now but i think only a common approach between u.s. and european union is helpful on that field and therefore i expect that european union and also the acting and the new government have to has to. reach a close there are those together with north america because a leverage is much bigger if we work together instead of doing it on the on the singular by the 2 way between european union and china let's go back to the elections 16 years of angle americal she came to power with a new cd you after helmut kohl do you think that the end of her era will also lead
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to a government where the c.d.u. need some time in the opposition to rejuvenate i mean we've talked about divisions in the party the pandemic and assertive russia and china are you heading for the opposition i think that the government needs city will seize it will and i hope that this if you see if you would also present the next chance because of the fact that we might come out as the biggest party out of that elections and looking to that but i'm going i'm happy i reached i think the economic benefit. of hope. it's perfect we've never saw such a. continuous and long. boost in the economy in the last decades and we all. to see the integrity of the field and he came forward we have some maybe they have some some some at the likes of where we have work to do this is for me even for insecurity issues closer relations between us and for repeat for the security issue even in china going to see in russia obviously you're
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