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discovered. subscribe to the documentary on you tube. well it's been a remarkable few days here in germany with the 2 biggest political parties announcing their candidates to replace i'm going to marigold when she steps down after september's national election for the conservative christian a democrat sits on mean last year's chief minister not off the large state of north rhine-westphalia brought after an acrimonious campaign battle against rival marcus lashes priority will be to reunite his party the greens meanwhile have chosen coley donna lynn about bulk us that challenge us for the chancellorship she has no
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experience in government but she's promising a radical rethink in german politics focusing on issues like global warming so here on to the point we are off to matt cold who's going to be germany's next chancellor . oh thanks so much for joining me here on the show and with me in the studio is pasco duke who is both an author and germany correspondent for the french magazine . she says after 16 years of sometimes deserting continuity i'd like to see germany showing more courage and of being a bit more adventurous also with us is t w political correspondent nina who argues that the green candidates is angela merkel's natural successor but is germany ready for the shake up that she stands fall under very well. welcome to to derek scally of the irish times who argues that
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mark. campaign aides are the ultimate kiss of death romney left its campaign before it can even get underway. first thank you very much for those 3 statements a lot to talk about clearly me now let me begin with you and ask you supports in a nutshell what has happened in the last 567 days or so for people who are something. of a people outside germany it's now becoming clearer who the faces are that are going to be relevant in germany in the next couple of months until we go to the polls in september because of course for a long time and i couldn't understand why you took the c.d.u. in the sea as you so long to battle this out it looked as though the cd you still believe that they could go into this campaign with anglo american as their figurehead when it's clear it's been clear for a very long time that she's not going to run again but this week they finally decided it's going to be it and then the greens didn't have that rivalry going on
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a tall they presented a very silky smooth campaign and they. have stage management now. is there is there now a vacuum looking forward to the election the green sort of court for the 1st chancellor come did it ever is she going to fill the vacuum left by. she now the focus of attention where she's the focus of attention because she's very particular political person. that we didn't know before she's very young she's 40 of those thing they've ever been somebody is young wanting to be a trance and germany she's a woman and she has new ideas she says she wants to change this country country she's also not a style of politician much more open there are other people say well she's like us . so that's why she's for the media she's absolutely. object to. 2 to right about now is she going to change completely. politics is she
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going to be the next chancellor that's the big big question mark because i think that the green would probably be part of the next coalition but to do the job have enough guts and enough courage to decide to put a young woman like that from a party which has been in power but never known as the chancellor that's really really not true and toward just said let's focus on who this is there are no 3 candidates in the running who who for you is let's say the front runner because it all really depends unfortunately there is no clear answer because we don't really know do voters want somebody to fill the merkel sized hole that she will leave when she departs or do they say oh no we cannot just have another type merkel we know we need to and we need to try filling different holes in another style of leadership another style of policy making on the style of risk taking and the politicians don't actually know quite yet what voters want because just as needa said voters
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are only now starting to realise alright we have 4 terms of america that she actually told us back in 2018 but actually we can't so no voters and politicians and i just think his new reality and the polls are starting to come in interesting polls and it's on that we don't actually know yet so it's actually a nightmare scenario politicians are trying to put together programs but they don't actually quite know how they're going to appeal because america has been there for so long because an entire generation of 1st time voters who just don't know anything apart from america but there was a time for america would be a time after but it just depends on our german voters deciding in a time like this let's go for something new or is this a time for security and you know the devil you know or the devil you don't it shouldn't be underestimated i think that you know when i speak to people who have children 11 or 12 many of them ask can a man even be chancellor you know there's a whole generation that. doesn't know
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a male chancellor i think had chances are probably high especially among fest time voters then we think now. talking about her being a woman did when you saw her because the greens had 2 remarkable candidates. but how back and. well were both viewed as an universally i think it's fair to say are almost universally viewed as remarkable political personalities the man stepped back how much of it and how important was that moment for you personally and for jim in politics. well i think that i don't think i think that the best should win i mean i'm not very much for quotes that the women should be pushed forward just because they're women and i think. very very cautious of that this woman she wants to be seen as the better candidate and not just because she's a woman she has the principles. from what i hear she's she knows very well
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she's very well informed she's. she when she doesn't do something she really works hard to understand it he's more he can speak very well he's very charming but he's also very intelligent extremely intelligent. and so they chose probably the person who who was the most solid and pragmatic she's very conscientious her work. and maybe they were a bit frightened that. back would sort of lose it on certain themes i think it's. but they had the benefit of the choice they had 2 very good candidates which is not the case in other parties ok let's rewind a little bit let's go back to the conservative christian democrats angle americans party the c.d.u. they've been in power for 4 consecutive terms no wonder their traditional views of ruthless election winning machine but the battle between the cd use army lushington
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marcus of the variances the party the c.s.u. who's clearly taken a toll on the conservatives and lots of look. not only does he understand carnival and how to be a father of the country he also knows how to a certain self he can even smile at opponents if necessary. from now on counts is which party has the best policies for the future of our country who forms the strongest team to tackle its challenges. of age but many would have preferred to say. robust markets on the c.s.u. varian sister party into the race and there continues to be rumblings within the c.d.u. c.s.u. as a result there is also a responsibility to the union only a united union can be successful in the end. a pyrrhic victory for the political moderate ally of merkel but 1st the 60 year old have to pick up the pieces caused by an open power struggle including
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a drop in the poll ratings and voter dissatisfaction caused by the party's coronavirus policy as. will the truce in the union last until the election. germany's christian democrats the c.d.u. . politics since the federal republic began all they know is. i wouldn't say but just look at those pictures i'm just imagining that sort of standing in the c.d.c.'s who is appalled and he's standing there with a cigarette in his mouth and he's just looking at the disaster that has been left after this fight this furniture has been destroyed the glasses are broken you know there's beer puddles in the corner and he has to clear all that up 1st before i go to pubs are closed in germany but before i can even invite any voters in to decide what am i selling you know so he's standing there with the cigarette and this and the broom and he said where do i start and he has 5 months so i mean if he can pull this off here for quite an impressive figure he's often considered the less
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impressive figure but we've been there before him with cold was considered a bit of an embarrassment i mean takes a lot of the boxes. you know the almost 2 meter tall impressive sort of moving figure that mark asserted was but he just seems to do a lot of things that germans actually like otherwise he wouldn't be the head of the most the largest populous most populous state in germany so being under rated as john engler marks no harm and no have to prove that you know although he's a man he can do the job as well perhaps it's a bit early to underestimate but his own party has really made. very difficult i mean to do all this and 5 months before you can even go out and go out and sell yourself to voters is certainly shortly as they would support you as you did. you know he just he will. go will move to describe bombing. and i would like to stay if i may with pub because i think that is.
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i think we can even add to that another image that doesn't just stand there is a pub owner but he stands there is a pub owner with a big bruise in his face because he's already been punched and you know he wasn't the natural leader of the c.d.u. he had to fight his way through there as well and so he went into this rivalry with lockwood sudha as somebody who many people saw as a compromise candidate because the other options for a no but what can what really viable options there you know this pub. and he has to in this important election year he has to communicate to his own party to the party in the various and he can't address the big issues of our time that is has been a lot of wasting of time for this you for the conservatives i find this incredible a lot of it has to do with on the america as well you have to add because of course she would have had to present
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a natural successor i mean if you're in power for 16 years you've got all the time that it takes and she has taken a couple of attempts you know we all remember that was enough on the line who's now the european commission president was once her favorite and then she presented and come combo who's now a defense minister but all of these options were never accepted in the c.d.u. and so to stunned that after 16 years of machall and to see the. fight this rivalry is just astonishing you talk to the people in front of very interested perhaps more interested than you might to be mentioned not too long ago and what's going on in germany of the moment what is the 1st nation when 1st the fascination is. amazing each story i write there's always. about last year and the greens and they said what does anger the american think of it so it's going to be very difficult for the french to barry i'm going to matter to to realize that she's not there
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anymore she's been much much more loved and worshiped than than she is in germany so that's the 1st acknowledge the french are realizing what i mean is you were saying in the big these the end there's going to be somebody and so they're very interested in the greens because we have a green party in france which is. in the states where the green party here was about 10 or 15 years ago so very leftwing. you know having all sorts of conflict within each other and not at all ready to be made to be to have a president a green president that's far far far away in france so that's very interesting how did the green move then change how did they become problematic and ready for the government that's very interesting for them as well and then who is going to descend the columns of the conservatives and why is the conservatives so parties so . so these are a very interesting what was your comment that question about the journey that the
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greens have been on whether you know they were. a hippie party that's how they were a chaotic party and tea party many people to know that they're somewhere else they're effectively part of the establishment they all the establishment are they don't want to quote a friend of mine who works for the greens she was looking on she's not a politician she has looked at them this reset their gagging for power and they'll almost do anything for power and that i think is the risk because the people who brought them to the people who have kept them alive for 30 years might not be so impressed by that like the more professional they've been in power once before in the guard trader from 1000 $805.00 and they have to they have to give up some of their illusions about reality that you know nature will continue to exist wars happen and germany is going to be invited to participate. so they've already lost. their innocence on that front but there's a lot more innocence they're going to have to lose if they're going to go into power with the christian democrats and already you can see you know they're saying oh yes we are doing so well because the time of course is part of politics but many
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of the green green green are actually saying yes but you're prepared to come from eyes everything for power we almost need more radical than the greens so she's she's presenting herself she's from the pragmatic they're ryall part of the party and what won't she do for power and that's when certain green voters their core vote actually start to realize that they will do anything for power there or i mean younger people are already starting to drift away looking for you know the climate friday's future people are talking about you know if they just peel away in a photo so the greens of they've they've become mainstream and if we could say they've grown up in the way they would like to this party you could say it's very adult but is that the strength of the greens is that why the greens exist and have they not left space for something more radical to come along that's what i think is most interesting when i think it's also about the dinner ration look at the green vote i mean the people who used to fight that gore neighbor who used to fight against will only hob golf i mean nice i mean all of these ideas of the green where
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they all know either in their fifty's sixty's even even modo and then become establishment so the people who vote these type of greens have changed as well and i think it's read a generation change in the times have changed in germany. and that's why this green party has. changed so much but i think we also have to look at the fact where the greens were only 4 years ago if you remember many of us were asking ourselves are they even going to make it into this time again this was only 4 years ago and they were very much part of the establishment then and they were very much fighting for power and they very much compromising on all sorts of issues. but then what they did and i think that is something that has tremendously helped them revitalize the party is they stay. on that topic they've stayed on on climate and of course the climate debate has picked up and that is not because of the greens but they managed
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to stay on the topic of the parties and now sort of joining the game and they're all making climate policy a positive positive program but you know nobody's quite as this is a livable as that but also sorry but you know when you saw the credibility you know we're now talking about establishing the greens are talking about establishing a climate neutral transatlantic partnership with joe. the european this is this is a. political policymaking of huge scale and scope and i think i mean i think i may be in it and i think they mean it which is why i think uncle america would have wanted that as well but i'm going to machall as we look back we branded her as the climate chancellor when she 1st took office she started as an environment minister etc but she was always looking for the do a bowl she was always looking for the compromises that was
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a very very strong lobby in this country and all of these factors have now changed so this is why in my introduction i said and i do is the natural successor because i'm going to america would have as a scientist also seen that it is important to do radical steps together with the us so i'm not in a bad book would be in a position with joe biden to seize the opportunity to present something that can hopefully change. in a way that we actually do fight. climate change interesting we're talking of the greens who are truly on fire at this point so i must get something to do so you can see who the people are we're talking about what's been going on. will chancellor angela merkel become chancellor on linux. in september. the 40 year old green party leader wants to give it a shot. democrats mockers she is all about change i
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have never been chancellor nor minister i stand for renewal other candidates represent the status quo. i know in a bare has always aimed high and not just as a competitive athlete. born in hanover she studied international law and spent several years abroad and she joined the green party in 2008 and 5 years later she entered the bundestag her core issues are climate protection as well as european foreign and domestic security the mother of 2 children is regarded as quick witted objective and solid. she has been at the forefront of the green party since 2000 the team alongside. and for a long time she was considered to be the party's number 2 despite a steep learning curve and a lack of political experience she used her ambition to work your way up the ranks and i mean i've done alina please the stage. is germany ready for
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a green chancellor. question is germany ready for an agreement i don't think so. i think the germans are known as being very anxious they don't like change otherwise they wouldn't have elected. 6 for 16 years and. 16 years i mean there's no other country in europe where this continuing i mean you need to in the change of prime minister every 2 years or every every 6 months in germany stretches and this is very famous quote from the other no outside kind of experiment and no it's experiments and i think this is going to know now it's the beginning of the campaign. that you are calling on the german government you're calling a legitimate people to be more adventurous to be to be more experimental what is it you want to see specifically when i mean i think it would do these country
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a lot of good to have a new mixture of the government to have for example a coalition between the green and the conservatives or another or the greens which we already in in parts of germany their own coalitions with those policies are going to. very well exactly which is they reached the last column of the far as you know to where they got on the finishers. and that would bring a little bit a wind of change in that little bit more energy in this country i mean just to to vote just vote because what he's fight for for the for the same. maybe not a good idea. being unfair who would be lazy in the course of a discussion to talk about amin last sentence being somehow. a yesterday man or somebody with the with the feel of yesteryear and the greens of the polity of changes that. does it does it help i think as journalists and we're also in this
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political dublin berlin we always need to be careful we're living in cloud cuckoo land we're not there in reality in the german reality and just because a lot of journalists into want the greens to do well and people would say well for the plan if we want to do well. but a lot of people are there's an almost awful lot of i mean lashes out there and he doesn't you know people said america did so well because she didn't like she was she kept her brief she kept her brilliance quite well hidden and people talked about it in meetings but a press conference as you just saw this very solid on the shakable woman but you know the actual brilliance and the detail the capacity for detail she kept really private and that is head of. his of his economy is larger than swedens he's obviously doing something right he's been in power not going to fund is doing quite well not harness failure and. we shouldn't underestimate what. the germans actually want and he said don't know experiments and i think people will like the feeling that it's nice to think we could vote for pockets nice she's there on the menu but
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we're actually just going to vote for the schnitzel as we always do. you know and that's not a nation or a judgment but it's just your view. but our people are a lot of people in germany who are frightened of the greens there was an interesting moment and that is this week. and a little bit a book came out and said there's no such thing as a little bit of climate protection we're going to go for it full. in its entirety and that the implication was they could hurt it could hurt you yeah but you know it's a bit like you can't be a little bit pregnant druther doing it or you aren't doing it and that the real tension will be with the c.d.u. they'll try to do an industry friendly climate change which is kind of like if you're allowing the industry industry to do that you have what you have the car industry or america was lobbying for the car industry in brussels and they were cheating on exhaust fumes in spork on the same weekend so the greens will need to push that but all you shouldn't forget that bear book knows that they will as soon as the election really gears up they'll be put in this sort of green ideological
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corner party only green people are ideological you know if you're a car lobbyist you're not an ideological person but they will be put in the ideological corner so already in her speech she was preempting up by saying we have to think of the lower earning single parents we have to think of the industry work as we have to make this work for them so she will be judged by how credible her messaging is for those people because they are not classic green voters but unless she can peel off a few of them and of course the younger voters we don't know what the younger voters are going to do this is a very interesting election for all those people who have never vote never known anyone except america they're probably you know are they wedded to the idea more of a c.d.u. transfer or a woman chancellor will she be able to appeal to younger voters in the ways that somebody of my age can't even imagine yet so a lot to play for in the greens have a lot to go for we're running out of time just germany in the old country devote those are not all going to be young. the most most germs are quite old and these people i just can't see them it's also very pattern i listed country i just can't see the the
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a lot of people or majority of germans of overly germans voting for 40 year old woman who has no experience of power. this 40 year old we haven't talked about it enough to give you just the stage for a quick minute on it or you know is it fair for us to know we'll be talking about her experience her you know her family and movies fact i think she's dealt with all those questions very well because she doesn't avoid them as she presents them and she has said so you know the conservatives have been in power for 16 years so maybe it's not just experience that you need some green politicians said you know just because somebody has been a minister for a long time like our traffic and infrastructure minister here is not doing a very good job doesn't make him a very good politician so experience is not everything ok i'll start you off her.
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interest. thank you all for you very much indeed for talking about i'm going to malcolm who's going to replace her. look i'm a. are
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