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what federal and local authority should do next. if you are in the eastern or central time zone, the line is (202) 748-8000. mountain and pacific, (202) 748-8001. we welcome your comments by text at (202) 748-8003, and make sure you tell us your name in where you are texting from. we are on facebook and you can leave your comments online at twitter and instagram @cspanwj. we will hear further reaction from the new york governor and also from president biden. yesterday at the law enforcement memorial ceremony come and from others as well. hearing from you by phone, text, or social media. the reporting of the your times and their headline, "grief and anger sweep through buffalo a day after racist massacre. the day after one of the
deadliest racist massacres in recent american history, law enforcement officials in new york descended on the home of the accused gunman and probed disturbing hints into his behavior. governor kathy hochul promised action on hate speech she says spreads like a virus. the suspect shot 13 people on saturday at a tops supermarket in east buffalo, killing 10. almost all of the victims were black shoppers, grocery workers, to security guard bound together by little more than tragic happenstance. mr. gendron picked his target carefully, choosing an area known for its large black population and visiting the area the day before the attack. nearly a year before the mass shooting, his words had caused harm elsewhere. the police said on sunday mr. gendron had been picked up at
his high school by state police after making threatening remarks and taken to the hospital for a mental health evaluation. " yesterday on "this week" kathy hogle spoke about the role of social media in the shooting. >> it is clear so much planning went into this. the shooter drove several hundred miles, published 180 page document online, try to livestream it. had he been on the late are -- on the radar of law enforcement? >> just as a high school student with respect to someone he wrote in high school. i am going to be investigating this very question. i want to know what people knew and when they knew it, and calling on law enforcement as well as our social media platforms. the ceos of those companies need to be held accountable and assure all of us that they are
taking every step humanly possible to monitor this information. how these depraved ideas are fomenting on social media. it is spreading like a virus. the white supremacy manifesto, the white supremacy concept of replacement theory, taking to the streets in places like charlottesville, motivated by this idea that immigrants and jews and blacks will replace whites, and that is spreading on social media platforms that need to be monitored and shut down the second these words are out there. it has to be stopped. this incident livestreamed, the massacre of innocent people, was viewed by other people. this could result in others
replicating. >> how do you stop at? >> there is not enough monitoring. this information was out there. i know it is a vast undertaking. these companies have a lot of money. they have resources, they have technology. keywords show up. someone needs to watch this and shut it down the second it appears. short of that we will protect the right to free speech. there is a limit to what you can do, and hate speech is not protected. host: starting of the program come interest in your further reaction to the murders in buffalo over the weekend, particularly the role of extremism in all of this. the lines are (202) 748-8000 for those of you in the eastern and central time zones. for the mountain and pacific, (202) 748-8001.
the opinion this morning of eugene robinson. buffalo's black victims were killed by white supremacy. he writes political leaders and commentators will denounce saturday's massacre and we will have the customary arguments about the need for sensible gun control at the need to focus on mental health. the arguments will peter out and nothing meaningful will change. what we need to talk about is how politicians and thought leaders on the right are using the vile poison of replacement theory to further their own selfish ends. we need to talk about how most of this is demagoguery is coming from people who should know and probably do know that what they are telling potential killers such as the man in custody after the buffalo shooting is complete fiction. let's go to our calls and comments and hear from vinc in alabamae. good morning. caller: good morning.
i have read over the past 24 hours that they have had this 180 page psychotic manifesto. a kid shows up for school in a week in hazmat uniforms. this is the federal government, it is the fbi, is the local governments fault. all we hear is this guy is falling over racism. they know this not job is out there and wants to kill people and they do nothing about it. it is their fault. i blame it on the federal government and the fbi for not pursuing this and monitoring this. host: they did not catch him when he went to purchase his firearms. a record of his did not come up. how would that have been known to the gun store owner or federal officials? caller: federal officials knew about the manifesto. he was removed from school and
put under psychiatric evaluation. somebody knew something. this is an agenda to create a race war in this country by the federal government. host: let's hear from sharon in maryland. caller: how are you doing this morning? when i heard about this shooting it really got me upset and it sickened me so bad. i felt ill. i do not understand. we live in the united states of america, a country god has blessed. we have wickedness in this country that is going to bring this country down. god don't judge you because you are white or blue-eyed or whatever other race you are. he judges you by your heart and that is it. there is too much violence in this country. it seems like this country is going down in a hand basket and
it all started with donald trump because he is a liar and he got so many people full -- got so many people fooled and messed up and he is a habitual liar. god is the god of truth and righteousness and does things right. that is why my family is successful because i make sure they do what is right and i have sons and i do not allow them to do things that are not right. i make them do the right thing. if i was a caucasian person and i knew my son was like that young man, i would do something about that. evidently people do not want to do it. i thank you for allowing me to express my opinion. host: thank you. here are details on the suspects purchase of one of the firearms he used. the suspect said he modified a rifle to hold more ammunition.
the suspect in the buffalo supermarket massacre purchased the primary weapon allegedly used in the shooting, used bushmaster xm 15 semi-automatic rifle from a licensed dealer near his hometown, but then he said he illegally modified the gun so it could use a high-capacity magazine. the suspect described how he amassed his arsenal and lengthy online postings. authorities believe he wrote in the weeks before the massacre on saturday. he says he bought the bushmaster in january from a small gun store 50 miles from his home in conklin, new york, paying $960 for the rifle, a sling to carry it come into ammunition. he also announced how he acquired backup weapons that he purchased in early december and the savage semi-automatic rifle he received from his father as a christmas present when he was 16 years old.
henrietta, florida. good morning. caller: good morning. from what i understand and have been able to clean from the reports, it seems that this young man had been in legal trouble more than a year ago in that he committed a felony. my question is why was this young man able to get a gun? that falls upon the fbi and those in the atf department that actually monitor these applications. i am a little bit tired of the angst that the gun is the problem.
the government is the problem. the murderer is the problem. we need to take these people off the street. we used to have them in mental institutions. now they are on meds in my neighborhood. this is a government problem. host: a caller mentioned this earlier. he had this online manifesto posted at some point. at what point does the government, federal or state or local come interfere? he was able to buy a gun without any background check. caller: however, i find it very interesting in a disgusting way that twitter flagged a curse word in two seconds and you are suspended, and this is the great
government apparatus who cannot even identify a crazy? host: this is a headline from yahoo! news. copycat mass shootings become deadlier. experts warn after the attack an 18-year-old white man suspected of fatally shooting in a black neighborhood appears to be the latest and a lot of copycat gunmen. peyton gendron, who surrendered to police, apparently publicized a racist manifesto on the internet and broadcast the attack in real time on social which, live service owned by amazon. authorities call the mass killing inactive racially motivated violent extremism. the trend of mostly white young teens being inspired by previous racist gun nasa curses on the line -- on the rise -- by previous racist gun massacres is
on the rise. a shooting at us and in pittsburgh -- a shooting at a synagogue in pittsburgh. shooting a walmart in el paso. caller: i would like to extend condolences to the families and loved ones of those that were lost in this tragic event. i want to lay the blame squarely at the feet of rupert murdoch, the murdoch brothers, fox news, sinclair broadcasting, and a litany of individuals on the internet who are pushing extreme violence. i live in a small community with an am broadcast which is the fox affiliates with daily inundation of hatred and fear mongering and some of the most vile comments, and there comes a time when we
must hold comcast, hold the cable providers who are allowing this garbage to stream into our homes daily. i have conservative friends who are in their 70's and 80's who listen to this nonstop and it saddens me and at times sickens me from some of the things they comport with. it is directly the words of jesse waters, it is the words of tuggle carlsen and laura ingraham. unless we stop the shenanigans and the charade of it is free speech, it is not. it is a call to violence. it is a call to destroy the fabric of our nation. i really think all of us need to lay the blame where it is. it is on the individual who committed the act, but those that pushed the weak willed have
as much responsibility and they should arrest carlsen. host: the shooting saturday happened at the end of the national law enforcement week, mark here in washington and across the country and marked on sunday by the ceremonies at the national peace officers memorial. president biden spoke at that event and as he began his remarks he spoke about the shooting that happened hours earlier. >> let me say a word about yesterday's mass shooting in buffalo, new york. a lone gunman armed with weapons of war and a hate filled soul shot and killed 10 innocent people in cold blood at a grocery store on saturday afternoon. jill and i pray for the victims and their families in a
devastated community. i've been receiving updates from my team at the white house that is in close contact with the justice department. we are still gathering the facts. already the justice department has stated publicly it is investigating the matter as a hate crime, racially motivated active white supremacy and violent extremism. as they do, we must all work together to address the hate that means a stain on the soul of america. hearts are heavy but the resolve must never ever waver. no one understands this more than the people sitting in front of me. moms, dads, children, family members, about how those folks in buffalo feel today when they got the call. you get pulled into a black hole in your chest, there is no way out.
jill and i know no memorial or gesture can fill the void in the hearts they have now or that you who have lost someone feel as well. caller: back your calls -- host: back to your calls. bradley in marietta, georgia. good morning. caller: i want to send my condolences to the people of buffalo. this probably will not be the last time this happens. i've seen this happen quite a bit in my lifetime. a couple of colors before -- a couple of callers before mentioned fox news and rupert murdoch. i will not let my white fellow americans off the hook. the civil war has not come to an end yet. we have a remnant of the past that will not go away.
they are right wing fascists they are quite willing to use violence. i would say to my fellow black and brown, especially the men but also the women, you need to take advantage of the second amendment. there are white people gunning for you. the war is on. they listen to fox news. that is free speech. the people who are doing these acts are terrorists, worse than isis, they have to be treated as such. the democrats, while we are getting gunned down in the streets are writing strongly worded letters and coddling joe manchin and i do not think the democratic party gets it and i do not think america understands what is fitted down the pipeline. there is a point where as
liberals and as democrats we have to stop whining about the second amendment, we have to start taking advantage of the second amendment, and arm ourselves, if they want to play the gun stuff we will play the gun stuff. it is a sad day in america. host: good morning. caller: i cannot believe you let that guy go on spelling that file hatred. c-span, i think you are pathetic host. a couple of things about the shooting. first of all, to have people come on -- you had one idiot lady from maryland blame donald trump. you had a more on from washington blame tucker carlsen you had the guy from georgia blaming everybody under the sun, including all white people. you do not understand you are encouraging this kind of stuff
from happening when you do not blame the shooter, when you blame tucker carlson. the lady says it is donald trump's fault. it is pathetic. you allow this stuff to go out over the air. and how come when a sick white person that the fbi should have been following, how come it is white supremacy, but when a black man shoots white people on the subway it is not black supremacy? one a black man in minneapolis drives into a crowd of a parade -- the media reports it as a car drove into a crowd. they did not mention the fact it was a black man who had the same type of file hatred on the internet.
the last caller mentioned democrats have to unite and get together and start embracing the second amendment. where was anybody when a bernie sanders supporter targeted republican politicians on a baseball field? did anybody blame bernie sanders for that. host: we will go to bob in east hampton, massachusetts? caller: i believe that golf stole a lot of my thunder. the waukesha guy had a lot of writing about white people. not to mention i heard you talking about tucker carlson. have you heard msnbc with joy read and nicole wallace? have you heard don lemon? those guys are race baiting all day talking about white people suck. you talk about fascism -- host: for this particular
alleged gunman, you think he was motivated by some of those media views and the actions of previously race motivated shootings like dylan root? caller: i do not know. we have not studied it. what we say we just don't know, it happens to be a mere coincidence. democracy is a double standard. host: this is the buffalo news reporting on the manifesto on the alleged shooter left behind or posted detailing hateful views, methodical planning of the accused gunman. they write that law enforcement officials who investigate mass shootings struggle to figure out what led the salient to commit set -- the a salient to commit such -- the assailant to commit such heinous crimes.
in the case of saturday's assault, they do not have to look far. in chilling detail the accused shooter laid out in a 180 page manifesto why he wanted to kill, how he came to believe a racist conspiracy theory, and then recorded himself driving to a supermarket and carrying out the attack. law enforcement officials on sunday told the buffalo news they are convinced the authenticity of the manifesto which they say peyton gendron posted online saturday sometime before he pulled up to a tops market and begin a race dish -- begin a racist shooting spree. peyton gendron posted the manifesto but time the document to go public before the shooting began. it detailed how he planned a hate crime attack and why he targeted the supermarket 230 miles from his hometown. steve is in macon, georgia. good morning. caller: good morning.
in my utopian dream, i would see in america in which the second amendment has been repealed. all guns have been bought back and destroyed, the only guns remaining would be for people who like them for sporting, for hunting, for target shooting. for those people, treat the guns like a car. make sure they've a title into registration and a licensed and make all of those expensive and renewed so there is an income source for that. that is my two bits worth. i know it is pie-in-the-sky. i think america would be much safer if the guns were taken out of the equation. have a good day. host: the mayor of buffalo spoke yesterday on face the nation on cbs in a call for stricter gun controls. here are some of his comments. [video clip]
>> we are saddened that someone drove hundreds of miles away, someone not from this community, that did not know this community, that came here to take as many black lives as possible, who did this in a willful, premeditated fashion, planning this. we are a strong community and we will keep moving forward. >> is there an ongoing threat? or your resident safe today? >> i think the question we need to ask ourselves is our any residents safe in this country anywhere? we have to focus on sensible gun control. that said, after all of these mass shootings that have taken
place in this country for different reasons, year in and year out, month in and month out , week in and week out, let buffalo, new york be the last place this kind of mass shooting happens. host: in the wake of the shooting new york governor saying extremism is spreading like a virus. we are interested in your comments at (202) 748-8000 for eastern and central time zones, (202) 748-8001 mount men pacific . a couple of comments on twitter. >> america was founded on extremism, particular of the racial nature. it is not a threat police are able or willing to protect its targets from. " we have three far right candidates for major offices on
the break of winning republican primaries. in my county there has been a noted activity in white supremacy groups. quoting the shooter, white birthrates must change, people must achieve a birth rate of 2.06 per women -- the domestic supply of infants relinquished at birth or in the first month of life has become nonexistence. " republicans had open calls for violence, then we see killing in churches and grocery stores and buffalo." in denver we hear from keith. go ahead. caller: good morning. a sad morning for america. we have to stop looking at these incidents as a one-off lone wolf.
the dots are so easy to connect. i am 63. i have lived all across the country. george w. bush ended the assault weapons ban. we see the consequences of it. i am a data analyst. the communications data analyst. all you have to do is look at the data. from the appeal of the assault weapons ban to today, look at the period prior, there is your data. you can do that in a nonpartisan way. where the partisan comes in is in the interpretation.
here is where many journalists drop the ball. you will hear it i don't know how many times, more than a few. guns do not kill people, people kill people. the obvious follow-up question would be with what preferred instrument? right? that is just automatic. let me make this one point. i would love your producers to pull this up. last week politico released a poll featured on morning joe on msnbc and it was roadblocks for voters.
roadblocks for voters in terms of the candidates they picked. the conclusions were stark. on issues like felony arrests, republicans 81%, democrats 79%. then you start seeing the split. domestic violence, republican 67%, democrats 81%. anti-semitic remarks. republicans 47%. 71%. racist remarks. republicans 38%, democrats 80%. homophonic remarks -- homophobic remarks -- host: what is your take away from the figures you are citing?
caller: we have seen today's gop , which is not about small taxes and pro-business, it is a full on culture war. elise stefanik is the leader in the house gop and she promotes replacement theory. host: to orlando, florida. caller: first of all i want to send my condolences to those people that were hurt and killed. my opinion is like a few callers down. it was a terrible thing, it was a young white man that had a thing against black people. that is totally wrong. i am married to a black man and
we have no color in our house. anyway, it is not tucker carlson or laura ingalls, it is both sides. columbine, back in the day, little kindergartners, we had the pulse shooting that they went in there to people that were having a good time and shot them dead because they had a belief they did not believe in. we have some sick people out there. i'm not laying it all at mental illness. nobody i know is going to put a gun in my hand and make me take nobody else's life. something is wrong in this picture. both sides talk about the other side all day. what they did wrong or this or that. the other side goes back at
them. if they could chillout up there in washington and wherever, they want to win so bad that they are throwing this country under the bus. you do need to be respectful sometimes, and we can still win in america and be respectful to each other. host: thanks for the call. a little bit more over the weekend unveiled about the background of the suspect. reporting on that is the wall street journal. "suspect was evaluated in 2021 for threats. the teenager accused of killing 10 people in what police call a hate crime had been brought to a hospital by state police in june 2021 for mental health evaluations after expressing his desire to carry out a mass shooting. official said on sunday peyton gendron wrote while in high school about wanting to shoot people, law enforcement official
said. buffalo police commissioner confirmed that peyton gendron was brought to a hospital by state police last june and released today and a half later. state and federal law enforcement did not pick up further intelligence before saturday's massacre." next caller from tennessee. caller: i hope everyone is safe this morning and each and every day. i heard -- we are bearing today because of this virus. people do not realize it is people who hate each other for no reason. what i do not get, god our father in heaven put us on this earth of different colors.
people try to say they are for god, they do not want abortion, they go around saying to not have abortion, look at them killing people each day. once the babies get here they do not help them. killing these children is murder. what did they do for the children after they get here? people go around full of hate, going different places and kill people. they're not saying anything about that. here in tennessee you can carry a gun. people are not saying anything. our representatives are not getting -- marsha blackburn votes against everything for the people. she is not our best speaker about the murder rate between white and black. it is time to start. are we turning like putin?
who has the right to go out and kill journalists. host: we will hear more from lawmakers today. the house at noon. the legislative work later in the afternoon. live coverage of the house on c-span in the senate on c-span two. a headline from cnn, biden will travel to buffalo on tuesday. the president will travel on tuesday and meet with the families of victims following a racially motivated shooting that left 10 people dead. biden told reporters he had not yet spoken with the victims families was trying to work out the schedule to make the trip to the area comment also spoke by phone with the democratic new york governor on sunday. cliff is up next in texas. go ahead. caller: good morning. first of all, my condolences to the families. what a horrible thing that happened.
i am an old white guy. yet i think -- let me make a couple points. america -- and i really think this is true. america is tired of everything being race. everything being color. everything being hate motivated. let me say this. the white guy that shot the black people in buffalo probably needed treatment, probably is mentally ill. he might hate black people. i think we are denigrating and
evaluating black life regardless of who is killing them, when we do not make chicago every weekend when blacks are being slaughtered by the dozens, sometimes. we need to understand that blacks are valuable, whoever takes a weapon to them. those in chicago are being devalued. that is not right. i believe god made every different color and we are of equal value. they hate racism. i hate picking at different people for different reasons, is just petty and small and uneducated, it is awful. one more point. it could have been yellow people or pink people in buffalo.
what needs to happen is we need to get these prosecutors and these judges and the people responsible for prosecuting crimes and get people put away and not back out on the streets. host: we lost you there. we will go to chicago, indiana. alan is on the line. caller: thank you for accepting my call. i've been a lifetime listener of the station. thank you for the washington journal in your service to our country. i appreciate you guys. my thoughts on this, keep it in perspective. first and foremost it is a gun violence problem and this is something only the united states has to deal with. we look at the statistics of gun
deaths. united states, 39,000 a year? we are way ahead of the rest of the world for the next 22 countries combined. we are trying to live with semiautomatic weapons and it is not working out. the first thing we need to do -- you can say ok, we do not need the semiautomatic rifles. we do not need high-capacity magazines. yes, if we put something in for mental health, that would help out, but every time these mass shootings occur, which happens on a regular basis in our country, be realistic, the republican send out their thoughts and prayers, the democrats try to enact some kind of gun control. until we can put a ban on semi automatic weapons, rifles,
pistols, whatever, these things are going to continue. that is the first problem. the second problem, why are people shooting each other when they have these guns? they talk about chicago. if you google the most violent cities in this country, chicago is not even the top 20. i lived in chicago. they were right. first of all, we have to have gun control, and secondly, white supremacy is our biggest domestic terrorist threat in this country. there is no regulation on social media. you cannot put this stuff up in newspapers and magazines, but you can on social media. social media is doing a poor job of policing themselves. host: appreciate your call.
to his point about where the u.s. is in terms of gun violence, similar comment on twitter. this said what makes the u.s. unique about other gun deaths country as their sources for such our drug trafficking, territory, crime, and money. when we decide to shoot up churches and stores because of some punk lunatic we share insanity as cofactors. mike in orlando says since trump became president hate crimes have been on the rise. trump and right-wing media and other extreme republicans have given voice to the racism hiding in the shadows. martha says the summer of right-wing assassinations has begun. republican fanatics need to do anything to pass -- to disrupt the election. stephen in michigan saying that after listening to both sides of the issue we need to reinstate the fairness doctrine so everyone is working on the same facts. people have to stop taking opinion news as fact. one more.
mentally challenged people commit shootings, not the guns. i have owned firearms where than 60 years, never have any of these guns attacked me or anyone. in the opinion of the editorial page of the wall street journal, their headline, "a massacre in buffalo." part of their writings as the shooter fits the profile of other young men who become as shooters at an age when mental illness often strike. keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill -- they also write partisans are already using the massacre to leap to broader political conclusions as they always do. no doubt a racist subculture exists in america and is spread on social media. politicians and media figures have an obligation to condemn it and such conspiratorial notions as white replacement theories, but mass shooters have had many motivations and mental illness
seems to be the most extensive common denominator to the extent there is one. the opinion of the wall street journal. eugene, oregon. next up is larry. caller: good morning. sad to say i've been listening to these things all my life. i am 85. i studied this academically. i've been a social worker and a teacher and a counselor. i noticed we treat these things in a very particular way. each one is an individual shooting or another tragedy. nobody seems to want to connect the dots and see the sad fact that culturally, this is who we are as a country. no other country led one million people die of covid. we have more people in prison than any other nation. we are internationally the most violent country.
we just destroyed afghanistan and left them to starve. we destroyed vietnam, iraq. we are engaged in perpetual wars. we just gave a $40 billion package to ukraine to perpetuate that conflict. i do not see this getting better. i am sorry to say i've never seen a country have some asocial problems as america, the government seems helpless to even make a scratch on it. all bad news this morning, i am afraid. i see lots more of this coming. the nation seems to be unraveling. it is sad because americans are decent people at heart. host: in your view come in your experience, what stops us from unraveling?
caller: if you want to stop it, and i'm not sure that is even true, it has to be done by much higher quality leadership. our politics has been degraded so badly. the media has been degraded so badly. we cannot get decent reporting. the news station i can get news on this morning as the chinese international news channel. we have failed on semi dimensions that we dug a deep hole for ourselves, a hole that is going to be terribly hard to climb out of. low wages. poverty increasing.
life expectancy decreasing. we are getting cliches from all of our politicians. nobody wants to address these terribly difficult issues. how to stop it is much more politicians by quality people, and we have plenty, into the political system. host: thanks for your input. from the associated press, horrible news in terms of shootings over the weekend. the headline, california churchgoers detain gunmen in deadly attack. a man opened fire at a lunch reception killing one person and wounding five senior citizens before being stopped and hogtied by parishioners and what sheriff's officials call an act of exceptional heroism and bravery. four of the five people wounded suffered critical gunshot
injuries. the arch carry sheriff's department officials says the suspect in the shooting combination man in his 60's, was in custody and deputy recovered two handguns. the sheriff says a motive for the shooting was not immediately known but investigators do not believe the gunmen lives in the community. let's hear from felicia in iowa. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. first of all i would like to say listening to you read all these articles and people saying about mental illness. hate is not a mental illness. hate is created. we do not have to go back and look at any other shootings, we just need to focus on this one shooting. he told us exactly why he did what he did, because he believes the white race is going to be
overtaken. i remember when barack obama was president he said he was going to put joe biden in charge of curing cancer. president biden. we have a cancer in america and it is called hate. you asked the other caller how do we stop this from unraveling? we need americans to stand up. we will only unite and become a better country together. divided, we all fall. white supremacy is on the go. every time i have ever watched any documentary about the ku klux klan, they always say they will always return in a different face, without their masks, with their tiki torches they come now, the reason people
are blaming fox news or president trump is because this kid was 15 years old when they watched the tiki torches saying jews will not replace us. this is his environment. he told us the internet is where he got radicalized. not by his parents. he got in trouble in school for being a racist. this is what he is. he is a racist. it was grown in him. we need to figure out that as americans, together we will make this place a better nation. none of us are going to make it if we do not do it together. thank you, c-span. host: detroit lakes, minnesota is next. caller: i have one thing to say about the situation in buffalo. i heard that his parents come
after they were told what happened, that they were utterly shocked. i call them assistants. they were not parents. if he had lived for 18 years in their house and they do not know him, then they are not parents. children do not need telephones. do not be upset when an eight-year-old or a 12-year-old is called out by a nonperson that has called them on the phone. parents must be parents. they did not know their child. they made him by not raising him in the correct manner. i am 79 years old. i have lived in the south. i have lived in the north. i was born in chicago.
i get along with everybody. that is what you have to do. that is what happens when you have a free society like america. you have to tolerate everybody. to a point. if any two parents by a 15-year-old a gun, there is something wrong with them. host: we will go to napa, california. an update on a couple -- the health of a couple of politicians. pennsylvania democratic senate hopeful john federman suffers a stroke. lieutenant governor suffered a stroke on friday. they say his sudden medical troubles -- he had gone to the hospital for a checkup after he began feeling ill. the 52-year-old lieutenant
governor said he had not been feeling well. he was so focused on the campaign that "i ignore the signs and just kept going." from capitol hill, new senator chris van hollen had a minor stroke over the weekend. the headline says minor stroke. he had been treated for a minor stroke but will return to his work in the senate. they write that earlier today an angiogram indicated i'd experienced a minor stroke in the form of a small tear at the back of my head, said the 63-year-old marilyn senator. now to napa california. joe is on the line. caller: how often do you hear the term more gun violence in your town, usa gun violence, that is what they are talking. then these nra people always say guns do not kill people, people kill people. how many people would be killed
en masse by a person if they do not have a gun. without a gun that person cannot kill of those people. host: a couple of comments on twitter. this is bringing up black on black time in chicago is so deflected. like white people do not kill white people. i lived in oregon for over a decade. i could tell you a lot of stories. warren in illinois saying this has nothing to do with gun control, it is about of lack of self-control that has plagued america. it is freedom gone wild. we hear from theo in lynchburg, virginia. go ahead. caller: i am a jew, i am a rabbi and i hold two phd's. my grandfather came out of russia for racial and religious freedom. this country, from the get-go, has been predicated on warring.
we cannot stop warring. it is very sad. i lived through 9/11 which changed my life forever and i am ill from it. i see from the republican party. if i could remove myself from the united states and live in costa rica i would. this is gone beyond control. we must put a handle on the gun violence. i did not care what the nra says. i idolized charlton heston for playing moses, he was president of the nra. this has to stop. this country has gone wild beyond control. unless we stop the republicans from doing what they are doing. host: over the weekend the attorney general merrick garland released a statement saying the department he is investigating the shooting as a hate crime and an active racially motivated violent extremism and committed
to conducting a thorough and expeditious investigation into the shooting and seeking justice for those innocent victims. we hear from martha in maine, up next. caller: i think there is a topic that is not being discussed, and i do not know why. to me it is the big white elephant in the room. why are the shootings almost always committed by men or boys? why is that? something to think about. why? how are we raising our boys? it is not an option for girls -- they get angry just like boys do. it is not an option for a woman to say i would get an ar-15. for women it is not an option.
when you ask yourself why, why are these horrible crimes that we cannot get a hold of almost always committed by men? i think it is because of the way we raise them. we raise them to not handle their anger properly, they cannot show their feelings, they cannot cry, they have to always be tough. it is hard on everyone when we raise our boys that way. we need to raise boys to be more empathetic. they can still be men, their fathers need to start demanding it. i think this plays a huge part. i do not see how you can ignore this issue when you look at the overall issues of mass shootings. host: calling from lexington, north carolina. caller: good morning. i would like to start out by saying i sent my deepest condolences to all of the black families in buffalo, new york, who were savagely murdered in an act of terrorism.
if you could just be patient with me. i think i'm going to say some things i've not heard anyone else talk about. the radicalization of white teenage boys is not an isolated incident. it is the product of white supremacist, area nation gangs who equip these young shooters, that is what they become once they become radicalized, they equip them with manifestoes they equip them with the manifesto so after these radicalized white teenage boys go and kill a mass number of black people, then the manifestoes become the agenda of topics on all media stations, so not only did they effectuate the mass murder of black people, they then get to spread their agenda through political conversation, through c-span conversation, and so this is a
real problem. the reason they keep saying these radicalized white teenagers are lone wolves is because they do not want to connect the dots to the white supremacist area 1488 symbolism are all links, the situation with all of the white killers show this is they are not isolated incidents. these people are sent by people who are not exposed because the federal government will not focus their attention on the white supremacists intervention into law enforcement. also, the fact that america allows qualified immunity to white men where blue uniforms to legally kill black people, the area nation feels -- area nation it feels -- arian mission feels
that they can kill us. we need to be careful. this is not a mental health issue for young white boys who have been radicalized. host: king in north carolina, there is more ahead on "washington journal." we will get a preview on the week ahead at capitol hill and the white house. joining us is washington post congressional reporter marianna and morgan chalfant who covers the white house. dr. image indulge a will join -- dr. amish adulja will join us and talk about the uprick in covid cases -- uptick in covid cases. ♪
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preview of what may happen on capitol hill and the other end. joining us is marianna sotomayor sotomayor and morgan chalfant . thank you for being here. we talked about the shooting in buffalo and we will ask both of you how events like that sidetracked the things that the leaders in the house and senate want to get done in the busy schedule for the president this week. guest: president biden headed into this week was the big trip to asia on thursday. he obviously has other things on his schedule but there was a hastily added trip to buffalo. the conversation will shift to gun control and how to address domestic terrorism. that is centered on capitol hill
but the white house will get into those debates. host: the statement from the attorney general is they are already investigating this as a hate crime incident and the president spoke at the peace memorial in washington. what were his comments about the shooting at that point? guest: his question was for the country to unite and overcome this hate in the country. i imagine we will see him speak more at length about the shooting and what it means and how he is addressing it. host: a little early to ask what members of congress are saying, other than what we have heard from twitter and some of the sunday shows. how are they likely to address this? guest: we have seen mass shooting after mass shooting for over a decade at this point, and not much has been done. some estate legislatures have
been able to change but when it comes to congress, it is one of the issues that come up and it is very political. this comes ahead of national police week here in washington. you are seeing washington's gearing up and what they are doing to defend the police and democrats as well. when it comes to legislation, the house will be commemorating by putting some bills on the floor to talk about mental health in policing, but it is not necessarily going to conversations about gun control legislation. host: i saw the house is taking up emergency legislation dealing with the national shortage of potentially a national shortage of baby formula in the country. can you tell us more? guest: the house will be out for two weeks. they are trying to get things going, baby formula being one of
it when we saw it low up on the hill. the legislation will allow low income mothers, the program is called wic, and it will allow them to access it. that is where we have not been seeing the formula given to low income families. there is also the defense protection act about how the federal government could direct manufacturers to speed up the process. declaring some kind of emergency if the situation were to happen again, that is what congress is trying to address. host: is there a potential for executive order on this? guest: they have taken a number of limited actions from the fda. they made a big push to show that president biden is on top of this. he held a closed-door meeting with some manufacturers related
to the issue that there is not much the administration can do to quickly speed up this supply they are talking to other producers and trying to get them to ramp up production. the fda is working with the abbott factory to get that online. i believe the director said it could be a matter of weeks and they don't know and are not time to put a timeline on it. there are other discussions on the table but the white house has not made a move on that. host: we mentioned the president is going to buffalo on tuesday and has an overseas trip. where is he going and what is the purpose? guest: he is going to south korea and japan, his first trip to asia. he has been to europe several times as president. it is about forming ties with the asian allies. we have seen the president focused on the russian war in
ukraine and the last several months. this will see him focus more on threats due to north korea, china, reaffirming ties with america's asian allies and meeting with the leaders of australia, japan, and india. host: is our sense of concern in the administration over reported cases of increased covid and the health emergency going on their? guest: the administration -- going on there? host: the administration is focused on this and what it means for the u.s. and for other supply chain issues. host: let me ask about the latest request for a crane the $40 billion. a colleague of yours had a piece over the weekend saying the list of republicans opposing support
for ukraine is going weekly. he focused on thomas massey but also mentioned the role of rand paul in the procedural stoppage of that legislation in the senate. first of all, what is the proposed package and why is there a growing group of a publican to oppose it. host: this is an extra -- guest: this is an extra 40 minute -- $40 billion that will go to ukraine for humanitarian aid and military aid to show our support for it ukraine on top of $13 million past the previous month. the president has been saying we need more funding. we need to help counter russia in some way. it has taken a couple of weeks to get this done. the house passed this bill already but it is stuck in the
senate because like you mentioned, senator rand paul. it seems to be a kentucky issue, as you mentioned thomas massey. very different from mitch mcconnell who wants to get this done off of a fresh trip from ukraine. he has been saying, we are going to get this done. the problem is paul wants to essentially add new text to legislation, not an amendment, but have before vote. host: is amendment would have done what? guest: it would force the attorney general to look at how the money is being allocated and what could be done and if this is infecting the economy and inflation to divert spending. host: is there concern the white house won't get it past? -- passed?
guest: there is support, mcconnell is behind this. i think they will get it passed, but i am certain -- uncertain of the timeline. host: we welcome your calls and comments. the lines are for democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, independents and others, (202) 748-8002. you have a a piece in the article. what did you find? guest: part of what the gunman laid out, the hundred 80 pages
was referencing white replacement theory, an argument that the government is trying to replace white american, white thinking with immigrants, so nonwhite people. that is not true. there is not this mysterious thing owing on for think that to happen. there have been -- there is not this mysterious thing going on for that to happen. some horror on the fringes want to clarify that may have mentioned this in committee hearings and tweets that this is what is happening. they essentially are saying democrats are along the
u.s.-mexico border to be open because they want immigrants to come in and start voting and silence republican voters and their voices. host: how is the response to the administration regarding this? guest: the white house is strongly condemned the shooting and identified it as a rural surely -- racially motivated hate crime. what i am watching for is whether president biden renews the call to get rid of the filibuster to get this passed. i would assume it would be the gun legislation. i am wondering if that is something he does because this is such a horrific shooting. host: friday was the last day of jen psaki as the white house press secretary and a new face
takes over. how is the new press secretary and her style different? guest: she hasn't had a lot of time. she has done a couple briefings. we did some reporting about the arc of her career. she is the first black and lgbtq person to hold the role. jen psaki is very -- she has obviously been a communicator for a long time. karine has a different background. we will see how she handles some of these questions and get a sense of how her style will be different. host: a story friday morning about the role -- about finland
and nato and potential membership in nato that the president had spoken to the leaders in finland. over the weekend, finland has indeed filed for nato and sweden expected to follow. what was the message? guest: the white house encourages finland and sweden to join nato. the question is how they deal with the others, like turkey expressed some reservations. they say this proves the point that russia's invasion of ukraine is making the u.s. alliances stronger and having the opposite effect. who wants to erode nato and is having the opposite effect of potentially adding countries. host: have mentioned senator rand paul and others in the pushback, what is the feeling?
guest: a number of republicans, especially in the house, have been insane, why are we spending this much money? we heard from congresswoman marjorie taylor greene arguing, can't we get some of the money to help the baby formula shortage? they are making the argument that some money should be spent domestically on a number of issues, inflation, another thing they have been arguing. the most part, senator members are supportive. host: this is more of a political question i guess -- does democratic leadership since that support for ukraine is a strong argument for them for the midterm elections? guest: yes, because they need to have something they are saying
we are leading on this front, not just at home but democracies abroad, that we are defending them. they do see it as an argument but whether it gives them any midterm victory is still very much to be seen. host: let's get marianna to some phone calls sotomayor and morgan chalfant preview the week ahead in washington. let's go to mercia on the republican line. caller: this formula thing, i had my own children, and it is terrifying if you can't get something to eat for them. i thought maybe there is a recipe on the internet for formula. so i looked it up. it is so simple. you get a 13 ounce can of evaporated milk, 20 ounces of water, and to tablespoons of dark karo syrup.
so you mix it up and that is formula. it doesn't have vitamins like the formula does, so you could go to the drugstore and asked the druggist to get some vitamins temporarily, but at least the babies won't be starving to death. i will give it to you again, 13 ounce can of evaporated milk, 20 ounces of water, and two tablespoons of dark karo syrup. host: marsha, thanks for the recipe. how did this become a problem in the united states? guest: there was a recall on formula produced by abbott back in february, and the tainted formula had caused some deaths in babies.
they shut down the factory and since, the formula supply has dwindled. we saw it hit a high point last week, because the shortage got even worse for some communities. host: i read that there is a small number of suppliers, maybe like three suppliers of infant formula in this country. guest: it is a small amount that are producing it. to the point of, can you create baby formula. one things being debated and mentioned on capitol hill is babies can have allergies to whole milk. what happens if a baby is reacting badly to even formulas that are on the shelves and they have to buy a specific and? that is where you are -- a specific brand? that is where you are seeing it. host: let's go to david in florida. caller: i have two comments.
first, on the shooter, they identified him earlier and it looked like they gave him a day of counseling. counseling is something that is a long process. people should have been talking to him about what information he was actually getting. the president can't do the counseling. he is the president of the united states. the people there locally and his parents or an uncle should have counsel him -- counseled him on the people that he was shooting our americans. they are not like americans, they are americans. on the war in ukraine, are we going for peace or a we going for a victory? those are two things that are pretty much totally different. if we fund the money for
ukraine, we will not have peace because they will continue warring. zelenskyy doesn't have a reason to settle for peace if we keep giving him money. the only thing that is going to happen is more people are going to die if we send the money over there. are we going for peace or are we going for war? host: david, we will hear from our guests. caller: -- guest: on the crane issue, you have seen the administration increasingly say ukraine can win. we haven't seen president biden involved in any piece negotiating efforts. president emmanual macron of france has been more involved rackley in negotiating with putin and talking with him about peace. right now, the white house doesn't see a way russia will come to the table in a way that is honest and that they would be
willing to broker some negotiation they will adhere to. host: let me ask you about the subpoenas that came down from the january 6 select committee. the minority leader, scott perry, jim jordan of ohio, andy biggs of minnesota and mo brooks of alabama -- what was the reaction from those members to the subpoenas? guest: the reaction was pretty limited. we had heard about this decision right before it happened. reporters were waiting in the hallway waiting to get tidbits. who we heard from the most was minority leader kevin mccarthy. he essentially was saying at the time, i haven't seen the documents and then he confirmed that his lawyer had them. something republicans saying and something that democrats had
apprehension going into it is, what kind of precedent does it set? they are subpoenaing members of congress. now the house republicans are saying we want to investigate hunter biden, nancy pelosi's role in january 6. some of those were opposed to the speaker of the house and she said if they compel me i will show up and tell the truth. host: was there a level of specificity on what they wanted to find out? guest: yes, a number of things the committee has interviewed hundreds of people and have more text messages and email exchanges or they have seen or heard audio recordings in the days after january 6. what were the members thinking?
what were they telling the white house, the president? was there coordination of any time -- any kind? they said we are going to be having hearings and we want to include testimony and give the republicans a space to defend themselves. if they don't come forth, we will go ahead and talk about things they have said. host: marianna sotomayor covers congress and morgan chalfant coverts in the house. democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, independents and others (202) 748-8002. next caller, go ahead. caller: the guests have a lot of passion about january 6 and what has been going on but i wish they had as much passion for
getting into the hunter biden -joe biden crime family. there is lots of money and you call yourselves reporters, why don't you dig up dirt on that? host: how you want to respond? guest: house republicans are very much looking at that and pledge that will be investigated in some way. i think what will happen naturally is there will be more attention given to these investigations, and there are reporters looking into it. host: morgan, do you want to respond? guest: there have been stories on hunter biden's is this ties recently so i think they are looking into that. host: i want to talk about where we are on student loan debt. what are the potential avenues
the administration can go? guest: the administration is getting a lot of pressure from progressives and others on the student loan debt. the naacp pressing biden to cancel more than $10,000 per person, and i think there is tension in the democratic party, because some believe this is actually going to cause some voters to dislike with the administration is doing, because some people have paid their student loan debts and it looks like you are helping people who had enough money to go to college and that kind of thing. they are weighing this. it does seem like he is weighing this extremely carefully. he obviously has delayed the payments for some time. i believe august is when the current delay ends. i would distract -- expect a
decision before then. there are also legal questions. the education department has been preparing memos. host: the original delays were part of the covid aid package that passed in 2020, correct? isn't the white house that extended or is this legislation congress has passed? guest: it is the administration, the education department. host: is there any sense on capitol hill that we need to pass a bill to get this done and we are not able to? guest: yes, whether student loans or other issues, that is the perspective of the house, especially house democrats. they have a legislation to try to codify roe v. wade, for example. you have seen house democrats realize november is basically tomorrow, that the majority could change, and they are pushing biden to do more through executive action.
host: with midterms coming up quickly, where are the priorities for house democrats because so much legislation begins there? guest: the baby formula is something that came up that they have to address. another is inflation. they will be voting on inflation that addresses price gouging by oil and gas companies. the next thing they want to pass and give biden a bipartisan win is the global competitive act bill, trying to address supply chain issues. it is currently in session. i have heard from a number of house democrats who say there are no discussions about reviving build back better or small tenants of it.
they may pass small portions of it but the senate will not act on it. host: it is not in called to build back better anymore, is it? guest: there is no mention of that tagline. host: let's go to the democrats line. caller: good morning. i am enjoying the conversation and i will be brief. i voted republican the last vote and have no regrets. but being an honest and objective person, i think president biden is doing an excellent job. these are not normal times. i think that he is doing what he needs to be doing as far as the war is concerned. the gentleman who spoke earlier about peace, there can be no peace with putin unless he changes perspective in his
objectives. i think we just need to dig in and deal with it and consider this -- what if it was a country involved in nato or a member of nato, we wouldn't be talking about that under these circumstances. i really feel for our president. i think he is doing an excellent job. i am admittedly a republican. i changed eight years ago, but i am an objective person. i don't the guy could be honest if i voted because of a party. i am watching president biden every day. he has dealt with everything the best he can. i think the country should rally around him. host: the question posed was a story that talked about the campaign that said inside the republican campaign taking down madison cawthorn, fed up with
the antics and blunders. what is going on with the campaign in that state? guest: tomorrow, north carolina ns get to vote and it will be interesting. it will be about whether they are able to do that or whether voters went to keep them. madison cawthorn has because -- becomes somewhat of a controversial candidate. co-authored has applied about a number of things, his behaviors -- calwthorne as lied about a number of things and republican leaders say this is not the kind of leadership we want to see in our representatives. you mentioned d.c., thom tillis,
republican as well, and has been vocal about his intent and has endorsed another challenger because he believes this is someone who is a politician celebrity. host: that is the senior status and -- senior senator from north carolina, with senator burke stepping down. let's hear from michigan, steve, you are on the air. caller: i like to circle back down to january 6. are there still people in jail that haven't been charged with a crime yet? host: do either of you know? guest: i am not an expert. host: we don't know. steve, do you have another question? caller: play of the other
question would be the ukraine money. the repugnance want to know where it is going not that they don't want to give the money but they want to know where it is going. host: this is the point of senator paul's amendment? guest: correct, he just wants to make sure the money is going where it has to. host: with this recent batch of aid, where has the white house said the money will be going? guest: a lot of it is security assistance, military or other. a lot of it is also humanitarian aid but i believe the book of it , from the white house request, around $20 billion for that. the white house had asked for $33 billion and the congressional dollar figure is slightly more than that. host: is the president planning
to go on the campaign trail anytime soon, even ahead of the general or primary campaigning? guest: i don't know specific plans. he has sent to endorsements for primaries -- two endorsements for primaries. he has started to do more imprisoned fundraising, which is something the democrats wanted him to do. i believe he did two last week and a couple prior. i think you'll see more from that. host: two weeks after the release -- the leak of the draft opinion by justice alito and the mississippi abortion case, and the reaction from the administration was fairly strong, but a measure proposed by senate democrats to move forward to legalize abortion in this country failed. i want to point you to the
comments of senator bernie sanders on the use of the filibuster in this particular case and get your reaction. here he'll was from yesterday. [video clip] sen. sanders: in my state capital, people cannot believe you have a supreme court and republicans prepared to overturn 50 years of resident. i think -- of precedent. i think what we should do and on the filibuster is do everything we can to get 50 votes on the strong is built for a woman's right to. >> before we had this, you didn't use the abortion issue as not to support people. you have supported pro-life progressives if they were progressive on economic issues. has your mind changed? has your philosophy changed and is this a litmus test for
progressives? sen. sanders: i find it interesting when at this moment when literally a woman's right to choose is at stake that we have too many democrats who support a candidate in texas who is one of the few anti-pro-choice members of congress. >> the thing that is a mistake? sen. sanders: i do. i am supporting jessica and she wins. >> do think at this point being pro-life you can't be in the democratic party or coalition? are you ready to go that far? sen. sanders: we will see. all i can say is you have the overwhelming majority of people who consider themselves to be democrats to be pro-choice. i have been pro-choice mike entire life and the candidates i am supporting now are all pro-choice -- pro-choice my
entire life and the candidates i am supporting now are all pro-choice. host: sen. sanders: from yesterday. morgan chalfant , that was just one of many where democrat have suggested that the filibuster be ended. the white house has not changed its position on that, have they? guest: know, and the big reason is senator manchin did not support this piece of legislation. even if they got rid of the filibuster, they wouldn't have enough votes to pass it. if they are thinking about filibuster, they have to go back to the drawing board and think about what is a way to get senator manchin on board. frankly, i am interested in seeing whether the white house is interested in some kind of bipartisan compromise because i know there has been talk between lawmakers on that. host: what is the next legislation or is that done for
now? guest: it is done. you have collins and murkowski who have made their proposals that go far into codifying, and restrictions, but democrats don't want to entertain that right now. that is the problem. it could be bipartisan legislation, but even if it were to pass the senate, which i am not sure if it will and running up to the midterms everything has political consequences, but the house, those are democrats, especially aggressive, can get testy and may not support legislation that doesn't go as codifying roe v. wade. host: of go to robert, petersburg, virginia, on the independent line. caller: i want to say something about the judge and the thing
going on and kavanaugh making the statement that he did about the important thing. then you have amy barrett saying that her religion will dominate her decisions. also about the guy who killed all those people. if you watch tv, every other commercial, you see a man and a woman and it will be a black man and a white woman. this is not going to get better, it is only going to get worse.
people are just pushing things too hard and too fast. host: on the comments about the supreme court justices and their comments, and i think he was alluding to some of the things justices have said in hearings, senate judiciary hearings and confirmation hearings, this was reaction from the likes of senator collins after the release of that leak. guest: a couple of my colleagues looked into the question now of the legitimacy of the judiciary committee being able to meet with justices. there is a recognition that among senators that as much as you may have a one on one, you may not get all that you want to hear and may not get the entire truth from the justices because they are trying to say, this is what i can say and what i can't say based on the law, but as you mentioned, collins, murkowski, they both said these justices
told me different than what this draft suggests. i think a lot of people are withholding their judgment of what this could mean for the future of judicial nominations until we have a firm decision. it is definitely something we are in front of. host: it was said it was a real win for the white house. guest: i think one of the challenges for democrats is that was such a huge moment that was overshadowed by other events, the war in ukraine just started. i talked to some people who wanted there to be more of a push to celebrate her nomination. you have seen some of that, but there are so many issues the white house is dealing with. it was a huge win for them. i think another example of how the process has become so politicized. host: we will go to eddie in greer, south carolina, on the republican line. caller: good morning.
thank you for taking my call. host: you bet. caller: i want to address the color that said that all that joe biden had left to him. he was left a great economy, vaccines, and i am 67 years old and i have never seen it this bad in america in my life. the empty grocery shelves and empty baby formula is ridiculous. i have want to ask if they have seen 2000 mules and what they think about it. host: he is talking about a new documentary, the 2000 mules about the 2020 election. do either of you want to respond? guest: one of the biggest challenges right now for democrats is the inflation issue. it is really hurting americans. they feel it every day, the gas pump, grocery store. there are limited things the white house can do to turn it
around, especially quickly. a lot of the policy comes from the federal deserve. -- federal reserve. we have seen it affect president biden's pulling. but the inflation is like an anchor. host: let's go to lafayette, indiana, democrats line. caller: i had to foster children and had six children. i don't believe in abortion myself, but nobody has a right to tell us what to do. at the time i took one of the children, the judge told me said there are four to 5 million children every year going into foster care. i don't see republicans trying to take care of those children. it is a shame. host: we will hear from new jersey, selma, on the republican line.
make sure you are muting your volume. caller: i have for women's choice who say they have no choice, yes, they do. they can say no, use birth control, use their -- keep their legs crossed. i was told that because my baby wasn't growing inside me and they said for me to have an abortion. i said no period loved it before and i love it afterwards and god will help me accept it. host: as we wrap up the program,
what do think the biggest, schmidt this week will be in the house, -- biggest accomplishment this week will be in the house? guest: the baby formula will be big. the other thing for democrats that they want to say is we are taking on the oil and gas companies with the gouging bill. host: what is the top for the white house? guest: this will be the buffalo trip, something president biden comes down as the leader. it is a role he can play and we will see him engage with the community and try to offer them some support. host: morgan chalfant covers for the hill and marianna sotomayor covers for the post. thank you for being here. more ahead on washington journal, we will be joined by
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by central media. here is some of what she said. [video clip] >> it is so clear that so much planning went into this massacre, he drove, published the hundred 80 pages and try to livestream it. -- >> with something he wrote in high school and was under surveillance at the time. i will investigate that. i want to know what people knew and what they knew -- when they knew it and calling upon law enforcement and social media platforms. the ceos of those company need to be held accountable and assure all of us that they are taking every step humanly possible to monitor this information. how the depraved ideas our phone venting on social media aired it is like a virus now here the
white -- social media. it is like a virus now. where they are taking to the streets in charlottesville and others motivated by the idea that immigrants and jews and blacks are going to replace whites, and that is spreading through social media platforms that need to be monitored and shut down the second these words are espoused out there. it has to stop, because otherwise there is no stopping it. this could have been livestreamed, military style executions, viewed by other people? this could result in others replicating the same. there is not enough monitoring, because clearly this information is out there. don't have a responsibility, and i know it is a huge undertaking, that these companies have a lot
of money and resources and technology. keywords showed up. they need to be identified and someone needs to watch it and show -- shut it down the second it appears i will protect the rights of this priest -- free speech, but there is a limit and hate speech is not protected. host: and on the shooting saturday, here is the reporting, the buffalo news at buffalo news.com. buffalo police credited with saving lives but gunman's surrender is questioned. the right the quick response of buffalo police may have prevented the death toll surpassing the 10 victims who were slain at tops market on saturday. the circumstances around the peaceful surrender of the white supremacy shooting remained a sore spot with some and the lack community. if the shooter were -- the black community. the shooter were black, he would
have been dead before he was out the door. police officers saved lives and did not need to shoot to subdue the suspect. let's get to your comments. we will go to anthony and hyattsville, maryland. caller: -- in hyattsville, maryland. caller: i would like to give my condolences to all the shooting victims in california and the other shooting. i would like to mention the manifesto this guy wrote about black people, minorities overtaking the white population, was also realized last week when the republicans had that roe decision inadvertently given out. they didn't share because years ago overturning roe would have worked, but now there will be an explosion of minorities because they can't afford to get an
abortion and they will have to have these babies and there will be an explosion of welfare recipients and wic recipients, and it is going to cost us a lot of money and that is why they didn't cheer when they found the decision for roe would be undertaken. the man got it right in his manifesto that the browning of america is changing because the white women cannot procreate as fast as black women. it is sad to say that people think shooting minorities is going to end it, it is a sad situation. host: to bessemer city, north carolina, mike, warm -- good morning. caller: i want to condemn the
racial shootings of anyplace like that, but i want to know so much attention if there is a white guy that does it. like the subway shooting in new york, he is a black guy. and waukesha this past christmas, the guy that put on his social media page that he wanted to drive into a crowd of white people and run over it. why is there a double standard? it is like the black lives matter, look at the shootings in these cities and no one says anything about the black lives matter or the emma pratt. one white guy goes in -- matter. one guy goes in and it is everywhere. it is a double standard. you didn't see the president go to waukesha to talk to them but he will be line to buffalo. any kind of shootings in public, black, brown, white, it is uncalled for. host: we are asking about the
reaction to saturday's shooting, the comments of the new york governor about violent extremism, violent hate fueled extremism spreading like as she said, like a virus (202) 748-8000. -- virus. (202) 748-8000 for eastern and central. it is (202) 748-8001 four mountain and pacific. mary is calling from cleveland. caller: i think all the hate and everything going on should stop. it is not a black and a white matter. you are making it a black and a white matter. wrong is wrong. i don't care what color it is. but number one, all of it wants to stop. like martin luther king jr. said, where is the love. you need to stop eating and start loving, period. it is very sickening.
i am 80 something years old and this needs to stop. host: mary and cleveland, this is the headline in the washington times this morning -- afloat shooter targeted black neighborhood -- is there headline. they write that federal authorities were still working to confirm the authenticity of a racist 180 page document reportedly written by the attacker, the alleged attacker, that details the plans for the attacks and reasons for carrying it out. a luminary examination found he had repeatedly visited host: the 2019 mosque church shootings in new zealand and -- summer camp in norway in 2011.
-- is in central texas, good morning. caller: good morning. it is shines that every time one of these young white person's murder black people, they never get shot at, they never get keeled. they always get treated by the police like they are heroes. i think this is helping to influence them to carry on this thing. i am a 71-year-old man. we need to do something without god. -- we need to do something about guns. if we don't start defending ourselves, we are going to be no more here in this country. host: jay in beaufort south
carolina, good morning. caller: i had to call in. the gentleman in north carolina, i believe he's on -- involving race. i don't know if the topic is mass shootings, terrorist acts, things of that nature. the factoring of race is just another statistic because we are trying to build more cumulative information so we can come up with some kind of guidelines. answers to questions are different solutions to problems. solutions to a lot of these problems, we are going to have to discuss history on a global
scale society. condense it to this country. one of the misconceptions is slavery is something that is rooted deeply in the south. these things are just a symptom, not just of this country, i do not know or have a lot of answers why that gentleman wasn't killed. as far as need be someone of african dissent going up and even seeing a different outcome, i do not have the answer to that. but what i am not going to be coy or shy away from the elephant in the room. my mom isn't -- years old now.
my dad is 83 years old. i went to pick up a history book about a lot of the double standards and mistreatment in this country. based on not just race but class and social order. i am going to let you go. i definitely appreciate you, appreciate this platform. let's come up with a solution. let's work collectively together. host: thanks, jay. this is from the new york times. the headline, grief and anger sweep through but -- sweep through buffalo a day after a racist massacre. law enforcement officials in new york descended on the home of the accused gunman and -- disturbing hints into his behavior.
the suspect shot 13 people on saturday at the top supermarket in east buffalo. killing 10 people. all the victims were black. shoppers, grocery workers and the security guard down together . the governor and the mayor spoke yesterday. >> we are saddened that someone drove hundreds of miles away. someone not from this community that did not know this community. that came here to take as many black lives as possible. who did this in willful, premeditated fashion. planning these. we are a strong community and we
will keep moving forward. >> is there an ongoing threat? are your residents safe today? >> the question we need to ask ourselves, are any residents safe in this country anywhere? we have to focus on gun control. after all of these mass shootings that have taken place in this country for different reasons, year in and year out, month in and month out, week in and week out, buffalo -- let buffalo, new york be the last place that this kind of mass shooting happens. host: the phone lines are (202) 748-8000, for the eastern and
central time zones. (202) 748-8001, for the mountain and specific -- mountain and pacific. caller: in regards to race in america, i would ask everybody to look at all the soldiers who have died for the protection of our company. i have seen prejudice, i have been prejudiced in my life. when i was younger.
people use the n-word and black guys would get hot. what they call me a --. they give each other trouble. but it is just how they are. it seemed like when i grew up, we were going towards everybody looking along -- everybody get along. i was raised catholic. the nuns asked us to play -- to pray for martin luther king.
america needs to realize most of us want to have a good, happy life. host: up next is mark in lancaster, california. mark, make sure you mute your television and go ahead with your comments. marks, you have got to mute that volume before you get on. some political news this morning, the headline, three house members should election create --. they write and comes with -- serious requests for goals to keep their pledges on capitol hill. we find out whether north carolina voters will give them a chance.
the aisle condemn this kind of act of terrorism. to acknowledge this isn't about gun violence, this isn't about mental illness, this is about an epidemic of hate. a virus. host: a tweet here says, "i am always amazed when a teenager has thousands of dollars of guns, ammunition and tactical gear." who provides the money for these kids? from this and saying, can't really do much when many law enforcement have the same views. especially -- their views are not going to change. in oklahoma, david, good morning.
caller: just so fed up with this crab. our response, even the last callers response seems to defy logic. imagine that you're out on a camping trip and you are attacked by a grizzly bear, nothing, your civil rights, your government, your law enforcement agencies, nothing is going to protect you from that bare except for yourself. you cannot negotiate or attempt to reason with a bear. you have got to either cage it or kill it. that is what has to take place. here in america, with these white supremacists, the --, the
homophobes, these are not our fellow americans. they are wild animals. the man who perpetrated that act yesterday was a wild animal. nothing is going to protect us from them unless we cage him or kill him. host: the new york post this morning, ny post.com and they lead on their website, grim dispatches. we have body down here ready to capture. the horror, the supermarket horror. mike, go ahead. good morning mike you are on the air. caller: number one, -- for
having a black president -- show me in the constitution where it says about slavery. the word slavery is not in the constitution. critical race theory. they want you to see it their way. talk about replacement on these jobs. they hire anybody -- this has nothing to do with people crossing the border. there ain't no black
construction workers. i am talking about real life experience. races, nazis came in, whatever you want to call them. some of them are on the others. host: mike, we will let you go there. thank you for your calls and comment. coming up next, we will be joined by dr. -- we will be joined by dr. amesh adalja. we will be talking about the latest on covid-19 and the up tick in places here and nationwide. and what is happening across the world as well.
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>> washington journal continues. host: dr. amesh adalja is a senior physician at john hopkins -- johns hopkins. the mat we are looking at, the account from the new york times, their ongoing tracker of covid. at this stage in the virus, they say it continues to spread nationwide. daily reports of new cases increasing threefold since the start of april. what is your take on that? what is your reasoning for that happening? guest: they are socially
interacting, many without masks. the virus is not gone. it is going to take that opportunity to spread when it has them. this ba.2, ba 2.1 is another example of omicron that is less forgiving. this is always going to be expected when you have a virus that cannot be eradicated. the key was never about -- we see those who are able to. host: are we there with hospitalizations? we are not seeing hospitalizations as we saw in previous waves? guest: definitely. at the leesburg hospital in pittsburgh, i am going there tonight. we are not in the same position
we were december 20 13 one. many of these cases are mild enough they are not requiring hospitalization. all of that helps save his virus and radio much more manageable. host: it allows people to go into places where they haven't gone before. restaurants and concerts. guest: it differently does varied that is not a bad thing. this is in a disease that is going to go away. our goal is to make it like other respiratory viruses. if you are someone who is healthy, has access to drug
testing, it is something much more manageable. there were different recalculations when we didn't have a vaccine or antivirals. but that is not the situation we are in now. it is a little bit hard to know exactly what is going to happen. maybe universal coronavirus vaccines. all of that is going to change the landscape of 2019. -- of covid-19. eventually we will have vaccines that are more -- that has three
something on the table that we get more approved vaccines. that maybe don't need to be boosted frequently. he wanted -- they may have different vaccine policies. we want to be cover hatching in based on individual risk. host: what does the update tell you about the evolution of the virus we have seen over the last two years? guest: four of those coronaviruses because the common cold. some of the protection our prior
infection. some of the vaccines given -- it is going to become evolved to helpfulness rating we welcome your calls and comments at (202) 748-8000. that is a line for you in the eastern and central time zone. (202) 748-8001, mountain and pacific. you mentioned as a physician, you are seeing far fewer covid cases. when i come in, how are the symptoms different than at the head of the pandemic you saw? guest: this weekend i was working as an infectious disease doctor and i saw an incidental case. someone who came into the hospital for a heart attack and tested positive on routine screening. we have seen a moderate version which means -- they are not in
the same caliber as they were we were running around. all of that has dissipated in this country. what people have to remember, this virus wasn't going to automatically disappear like a hurricane. we were there for the most part in the united states. are we increasingly going to be dealing with hospitals in crisis? host: what is your recommendation in terms of a fourth shot? a second booster shot for americans? guest: when it comes into
booster policy, to me, the goal is to prevent severe hospitalization and death. when we see four boosters, we haven't seen -- for that disease except a fourth bush. other people, it is a very marginal benefit. particularly against infection. we should target the high-risk individuals. it should be a universal -- it shouldn't be a universal recommendation. host: -- news is reporting the white house could run out of covid-19 vaccines -- do you
share anything with the vaccine and people who need them? guest: we cannot allow vaccines to be something that can be back and forth between republicans and democrats. we have to be proactive. this also means transitioning the vaccine to the market so that we are not left in a situation where if the government has funds to buy it, there is no access. we have to start looking for transitioning out of that emergency phase.
so the politics cannot play this type of role it is playing right now. we recognize dr. amesh adalja. he is a fellow senior scholar at the johns hopkins university. (202) 748-8000, for eastern and foot -- eastern and central. (202) 748-8001, four -- from mountain and pacific. [video clip] >> dr. fauci, i want to ask your insight on when we will not call the pandemic? what kind of process we we go through to make that determination? >> there is no firm, widely
acceptable definition. when one talks about the pandemic, you talk about a highly transmissible infection which is why we distributed throughout the globe. when you are in the acute formative stage of the pandemic the way we were in the united states just a few months ago, -- 2000 deaths a day. we have come down to a lower level. now we are unfortunately picking up a bit. when you get down to a level where you have a level that might be comparable to respiratory or parainfluenza.
it wouldn't be considered a pandemic in the classic sense. but there is a lot of gray zone about the definition. i don't think you are going to see all -- is more than the pandemic transition mckinley with the. >> where do we stand with that given the open-ended nature? dr. fauci: i am not sure i can answer that with authority, congressman because that is not necessarily what we do. the level of infection and the
level of impact in the country will dictate whether or not it is pulled back as an emergency. i don't think i can be able to give you a good answer on that. host: w00t -- we are not there yet. guest: it was always going to go that way. the key thing is -- it has taken some time to get. what dr. fauci is saying is correct. we don't see pandemics causing major disruption, 3000 deaths. we are at a different point now. we still have cases and they still are -- i think we are on
our way to in it is not to be an official declaration, -- the risk is always going to be greater than zero. a couple of the tools we have, people will prioritize to it. to me, the biggest thing was hospitals. host: let's hear from our first caller. james in bakersfield, california. you're on the line. caller: good morning. dr.,
guest: it depends on how you define overwhelm. i worked at three different hospitals and they were overwhelmed. it may mean that they cannot staff operating rooms, they don't have enough nurses, they don't have enough. is, they don't have enough personal protective equipment, they do not have enough icu beds. it is not always easy a big line in the emergency room or the parking learned -- the parking lot. when you look at the number of people in december -- in january
2021, i have never seen anything like that in my life. i do not know that was a representative of all the hospitals. this virus does not hit everyplace at the same time. it is not on the same time scale it could be that some places were hotspot. we have never had hospitals run out of oxygen in the united states but a hospital in florida ran out of oxygen because too many people were on oxygen. that is not normal. host: in what key ways you think u.s. hospitals have changed their operations? guest: they have become much more aware of what a pandemic can do. there was some complacency in the past. this was kind of an afterthought. most managers were focused on like a chemical spill, an
accident on the highway, and mass shooting. all those things are what they thought about. they didn't think a pandemic could cause this type of damage. there are people in hospitals that did but it wasn't something really palpable or something they prepared extensively for it. now i think they have become more tomorrow attuned to that risk and not about supply chain, staffing, induction control. boosting infectious disease specialist roles in hospitals. also telemedicine which we are already starting to accelerate, greatly accelerated during the pandemic. things look different after the pandemic them before the pandemic. hopefully this will be better so we are prepared for bad flu season and the pandemic. host: we welcome your calls.
(202) 748-8000, eastern and central. (202) 748-8001, mountain and pacific. caller: good morning. i have taken three vaccine shots from under no. can i take the fourth vaccine shot from pfizer? guest: there are some ways they stimulate the immune system differently. i think you can take the pfizer shot if you want for your fourth dose. or you can take the madonna. you might get a little bit different. host: what is your general guideline on mask usage these days? guest: just because the government doesn't have an issue
mandated for you to wear a mask doesn't mean you cannot wear a mask. what are your risk factors for disease, what are your tolerance ? are you going to be tested when you come back from going on a cruise? i don't think it is going to be one-size-fits-all. people have to learn what level of risk is susceptible to them and how much they want to try to avoid covid-19 even though covid-19, over time is unavoidable. especially for high-risk individuals, when they are in certain situations, masking is appropriate. it depends on the level of risk tolerance they have. that is something i cannot telegraphs to people. they have to learn -- that is that we should have been doing early on is teaching people to get accustomed to the virus. there's always going to be something that carries the risk when you socially interact people. host: a cnn headline, new --
writing here about the new white houses covert response coordinator. in the fall and winter had a stern warning the u.s. could potentially see 100 million to covid 19 infections if congress doesn't approve federal funding to fight the pandemic. that warning from dr. -- who said -- it even came as a surprise to some biden administration officials. guest: it is important to remember there are assumptions built into those models. there are other assumptions reflective of reality. maybe that scenario might be useful for them when they are trying to get congress to act on some funding bill.
it is in the realm of possibility, probably not. people take the biggest number and model spits out and use that for arguments sake. we have to stop looking at the cases we are talking out respiratory virus. we have to keep our focus on hospital capacity. it is a different kind of issue we are dealing with. we need to be clear on that. you see the administration focusing on cases from hospitalizations. let's focus on metrics that really matter. hospital capacity is the best one to use. host: typically in a year, how many cases -- how many influenza
cases does the usc? guest: hundreds of thousands of cases. maybe up to a million in certain situations. during the 2000 9h1n1 pandemic, -- of the population got infected. we continue to see hundreds of thousands of cases of the flu every year. and we still have tens of thousands of deaths from the flu. i don't think covid-19 is going to be less than the flu for a couple of years. i still think it is going to have an outside influence. maybe three times the number of deaths for covid than the flu. we are getting to a point where we can start thinking about it in the same way we think about the flu, which we could do for so long. host: let's hear from -- in annapolis, maryland. caller: thanks for having this program.
ultraviolet really -- ultraviolet radiation to kill pathogens. this is something that is going to make a major difference in day-to-day life. doesn't make sense to do this? is it cost-effective? something advocated for every situation, it may not be as valuable in a grocery store as it is in hospital because of the way that pathogens transmit. host: let's hear from shawn calling from brookline, massachusetts. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call.
dr., i wanted to say to you, i have had four boosters, four vaccines. i am a transplant recipient and i am back on the reach transplant list. my question is, how do you know when the anti-bodies have waned and you need additional vaccines and so forth? guest: that is a very important question that we don't have the answer to. we don't have the number yet to be able to tell you, when you're antibodies fall below this number, you are susceptible to infection.
we don't have that answer yet. then we can decide when people need boosters. we don't know what the exact level is. this is one of the drawbacks we have right now. we don't have a standard to read off and say you are susceptible you are not susceptible. host: what do you recommend to protect against covid for underlying health issues? guest: if you're over 70 and have risk factors like heart disease, you should be up-to-date on your vaccines. getting boosted every three months or whatever the interval is.
necessarily think you have to have it on hand. certainly if you're traveling and you might be uncertain about where you can get it, it is acceptable to have the physician describe -- prescribe it ahead of time. host: -- guest: i don't know what that timeline is. it has been somewhat delayed in the united states. we have a percent of the united states that has not been vaccinated. this may be another option to get that vaccine rate of hire. it is another tool to use.
host: let's go to jerry in chester, virginia. go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. i have chronic lung disease. i will to have my second booster on -- high-risk people. if i may ask another question, is it safe to send my kids out for learning in high school this fall -- virtual learning? masks is optional. guest: regarding fist doses or
third boosters, we reserve that for people in the high risk category. the third booster is not a great policy. it might be someone like the color would benefit for bird vaccine. regarding sending your kids back into information learning, guest: schools were the first thing to close and the last thing to open. it is about risk tolerance. if you are high-risk, you have to be careful. even if the school is mask optional, if you are high-risk individual, masking works.
especially when you have access to high-quality masks like n95. getting your student, getting your child vaccinated is important. the benefits of in person schooling greatly outweigh the risks. there are mitigation -- host: how often is that the case we are seeing stronger allergic reaction to these boosters? guest: are these true allergic reaction the person is having rather than injection site reaction from your immune system being revved up.
it could be you have an analogy to one of the. caller: i was calling because in 2019's i was familiar with the bloomberg health center watch the whole event 201 that was on the tv for three hours. it concerned me. it seemed like it was a little bit something you knew was coming and there it concern or
-- i was also concerned about the injury i recall with the h1n1. there were maybe 25 deaths and they stop vaccine. i think there have been far more of that now. and we are still doing it. we are still having injuries and deaths from the vaccine. far more than all other vaccines combined, i have read. that is what concerns me. guest: that two and one exercise at the johns hopkins university put on, to increase awareness. and if you don't cover them, if yard this missive -- it shows
how guest: important it is to prepare for a pandemic. guest: we want to raise awareness of this very important problem that is often neglected or ignored. the caller is talking about the 1976 swine h1n1, not 2009. that vaccine rollout. if you look at how many lives have been saved by covid-19, it is almost incalculable. these are some of the safest vaccines that we have. no vaccine -- the vaccine is about any risk. if you waive the risk versus the benefits, it is not even a
comparison between the two. host: the pandemic has caused one million deaths. going into the weekend, the new york times on sunday, therefore front page, one million. there were mothers, fathers, sisters, daughters and sons. more americans who died in the pandemic now that on battlefields of all of the country's wars combined. dr. amesh adalja, when the pandemic began, could you imagine we had -- we would have reached such a tragic tally as this? guest: no. we knew there was going to be disruptions and there was going to be deaths probably in the hundreds of thousands, what i
don't think anyone could have thought our political leaders with continue to make the same mistakes, evade what was going on, continue to try to handcuff agencies like the cdc. 100,000, 200,000 deaths was more likely to occur. the rest of it is something that was more about human factors rather than the virus itself. host: seminary in louisville, kentucky, go ahead. caller: yes, sir, my family has been vaccinated and we all went through -- covid. most family was sick for about three days. but my daughter who is 39 has been densely ill.
she has been to the hospital twice. they gave her some type of antibody iv and she still is not getting any better. guest: everybody's experience with covid-19 is a little different. some people might have a more severe case if they have an underlying respect there, asthma, diabetes, obesity. diabetes probably the biggest risk factor. the antibodies are going to help. if she continues to have symptoms, she should be evaluated again. specially if she has been having short of breath, fever. i can't really say much else without having examined her. but everybody's experience is a little bit different and we have to connect those people with care. host: the headline to the wall street journal this morning, china steps up masks.
a requirement to go to the grocery store or ride the subway. the rapid rise in cases in china and now we are hearing of the health crisis have north korea. guest: china's policy was bad from day one. they adhere to a policy that was never going to be maintained. it was always going to be an issue for them. they have a population that has low immunity and they failed to vaccinate their elderly population, which is the high-risk population. their younger people are vaccinated more than their elderly. now they continue to cling to this covid zero policy. individual rights destroying measures for something that is dashed. now they are stuck to it because of political reasons. they are a state that does not want to see -- this is a virus
china is a member of the w.h.o.. host: let's hear one more call from anthony miller. caller: my question is for the doctor but as well for c-span. can you please explain why -- and philip crouse, senior officials at the fbi resigned after protests for all of these follow-up vaccines? they have resigned in protest, calling out the fea and the biden guest: i agree with the fda
officials. what they resign over was the booster policy. there was a push for universal boosting when the data supported targeting boosting. i agree with the individuals from the fda that resign. and i agree with paul -- i agree that there was is our the most important to hear. host: senior scholar at the center for health security, john's hobson's -- johns hopkins . thanks for being with us. we will wrap it up for this morning's program. we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 eastern and hope you are too. have a great day. ♪
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