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other television providers, giving you a front row seat to democracy. >> next, a panel discussion on the future of the republican party hosted by new york university. political analysts talk about the recent election in virginia, the 2022 midterms, and the role of former president trump in the gop. this is just over one hour. this is just over one hour. >> good afternoon, everybody. my name is betsy fischer martin, i'm the director of the politics institute at new york university. we have quite the panel with us today. we just heard a lot on the democratic side, we are going to jump into the republican and of things. we have one democrat, for good measure. [laughter] you did not get lost joel, you
are supposed to be on this panel. his been a long time pollster for the obama campaign, click campaign, has good insight into what is going on with the electorate. we are fortunate to have him with us today. next to him, elise jordan, you probably recognize from her role as a political analyst on nbc and msnbc. used to work in the bush administration, had a lot of insight on republican strategy. former rnc chairman and lieutenant governor of the -- of maryland to might be back in the politics sometime? long time republican communication strategist in the white house and congress. >> [indiscernible] >> [laughter] let's start with from your
perspective, we spoke a lot with the earlier panel about virginia and new jersey, i would want to get your thoughts first of all on what happened there. can we simply book of how republicans are going to run in the future? or was this specifically tailored to this moment in time and this kind of governor's grace. mr. chairman, let me start with you. >> it is back -- great to be back here with the nyu family. i looked at this race for a while. certainly, knowing terry personally, i did not know glenn youngkin, but understood his background. he was tailor-made for that race. on a number of levels. he very early came out and did the one thing that every candidate should do. he did it unobstructed. that was to find himself.
he had the family thing, people liked the vibe, it worked. terry mcauliffe, who i've known for a long time, who surprised me by not responding to that and getting in front. the narrative of november of this election was set early on in this campaign. a respectable of a number of things we talked about relative to the biden administration, what has pulled numbers were, covid and those other things. butters began to like youngkin early. -- motors began to like youngkin early. >> he is not at this likable person. -- not a disk likable person. >> not just the ones i can do -- but also can come across as concerned, committed, engaged,
good listeners. have a plan or two that can be put out there. most important, the liked. the narrative about republicans of the trump era was that people did not like republicans. what youngkin -- if there's a playbook, plan, i don't think there's an absolute playbook, this election is not going to be what you're going to see in 2022 because of this one factor, the kind of candidate is youngkin is versus the kind of candidates already lining up in the number of gop primaries around the country that are much more trump y, much more in bed with him and his style of politics. those candidates are going to have trouble finding voters to like him, especially in swing states. rex is you were doing the campaigning, -- as you work
during the recruiting -- >> it is not too late. the primary season is just starting and many wrist bait -- in many respects. seeds of opened up and people announced they were retiring for the senate. you've got to be focused on getting -- we know this well, this is part of our strategy in 2009 going into 2010. dog -- doug was not bashar. having worked with him on my 2006 campaign for u.s. senate. we had an understanding of how you start early communication about your candidate, the kind of candidates were looking for, going into the states. grinding and finding those candidates. when you find them, the interesting challenges going to be how successful the party is
at sustaining and promoting them with the background noise of trump's endorsement for that candidate. that same primary. i think virginia, one must point, youngkin was lucky. he didn't have to run a primary. he ran the convention, the party took the option of the convention, cleared as much of the deck as they could to put him in a position, may be a different outcome if he had run for that primary gauntlet with a bunch of trump type candidates nipping at his heels. that was the difference maker as well. >> let me ask you, was there point when you felt the ground shift a bit, or their particular issues, like education, what was the impact of that on the race? >> the story that was percolating around local media
about the violent parent at loudoun county, back in june, this is an example of how crazy things have gotten in school boards. the media reported no, it he is sad and upset because there was a transgender bathroom, which wasn't the case, it was a case of sexual assault. there were so made twists and turns in the school administration lied about it. at that point, it was an education battlefield. this is where we are going to go forward with in 2022, education as the new issue. republicans, are they going to take that over like democrats took trade in the unions. for that to now be over publican strength, -- a republican strength with education turning into a culture war.
also august, with afghanistan, virginia was one of the only states where foreign policy would have any impact. you have so much of the beltway crowd, then down in norfolk, a lot of military in virginia. that coincided with biden dropping in the polls. terry losing his strength in the race, too. >> from a communications perspective, the youngkin campaign, their narrative, you did not hear them nationalizing the trade, there was not about biden, just focusing on local issues. obviously, an effective strategy for them. >> it was, they didn't have anybody coming in the campaign, this was a virginia -- the term is overused, a virginia first campaign. it was a smart tactic of youngkin to do. it allowed him to disregard all the other noise and remain focused on issues.
given that he had the opportunity, as lieutenant governor he is always going to be with tech governor, highlighted, he was able to find himself early. not just mcauliffe responding, but without defining him on the air. when your candidate emerged from convention, it is a real opponent -- opportunity for your opponent, who probably has more mind than you, which terry did. on the issue biden, i don't think you need to bring up biden. he was brought up enough as it was. when we were were in the dnc together, ardent magic number for obama was 46. if he was out or below that on election day, we would take back the house. obviously, ayden is much look below that. that is true in virginia -- biden is much below that. that is true in virginia, that is true in the country.
i never understood why he didn't clean it up and say it will of course parent should be involved. and that's everything else he said. he said that was his initial answer. >> you already dove through the exit polls, what jumped out to their. talk a little bit about that biden factor? >> two things, democrats have to be careful about not trying to tie every republican who is running to donald trump. candidates and campaigns matter. why looked at the final results in exit polls, he won independence by 10 points. youngkin won them by nine. you have to be paying attention to that. you don't win elections in america, i disagree with those who say virginia has been a democratic state, it is a battleground state, and still
is. you do not win from the left or the right, up from the middle out. if you cannot connect with people and their lives of those centrist voters, whether they are leaning left or right, you're not going to win elections in those states. we will talk about this more, we've given a lot of short shrift to new jersey. we had the democratic elected twice in consecutive terms for the first time in 40 years. all they were talk about the night of election is his margin is not as big as it should be. it was a historic when. -- a historic win. and they hold both houses of the legislature. i think we get caught up in the narrative driven by the media, but candidates and campaigns matter. i don't quite reject or except fully that all politics is
local, but a lot of it is. when you make a blunder like that to the point -- you have to clean it up. you have to go out and say right away, of course parents have to be involved in their kid's education. it is the most important thing most parents are thinking about. if you look at the toll that took on his numbers. it was richmond and southern suburbs is where he gave up the margin that helped get him election -- elected last time. >> i was in new jersey and mid-october. i got the exit onto the garden state parkway, a bit morbid democratic area, i saw jack signs everywhere. which made me scratch my head. over the two or three days that i was there, i heard democrats -- this is very close. i would tell people in washington that, including before and during interview tds -- tv interviews, they would
look at me fine and will move on to the critical race theory question they wanted to ask. >> to joel's point about not running against donald trump every race, trying to make youngkin into trump, it wasn't viable. he is a former ceo, they could attack them a private equity, instead -- >> tiki torch failed. >> this issue of education, i think it could mean different things to different people. it could mean crt, it could be math, could be been terry lynn the classroom. >> -- material in the classroom. >> why looked at that moment and saha played out, the one thing that struck me was mccall of's
answer on education. was for him what defund the police was for democrats in 2020. at the end of the campaign, it sucked all the momentum out. i think gave a lot of impetus to republicans picking up that work there six weeks before. the messaging part of the campaign is critically important . but how you respond when there is that gap, that misunderstanding, whatever you want to frame it as you've got to be able to get in and clean that up, rewrite the circuits for the voter for beginning to look at what you just said ample different way. if he had said of course every
parent should have a say in what is going on in education, but every parent doesn't want to see their school board overrun by someone who has the other agenda , not related to the education of their kid. there are ways in which i can be cleaned up. with this environment we are in, i think you're going to see republicans use education as an avatar for all the sins they want to foist on democrats. the test for democrats is what is your anecdote, are you prepared to play? i don't think at the end of the day, republicans do politics better than democrats do. democrats lead with their policy, they got their 10 point plan, their stack of papers, republicans look at that go can you believe this crappy?
the reality is, you've got one team in politics it will take a message and use it as a cudgel. you have the other team line policy and try to wrap their policy into a message. that becomes difficult to do, particularly if when you come up against someone who will be over the head with your message, where'd you go? >> democrats, joel you can speak to this, when you look at polls, they are on the issue of education. was it a mistake for mccall of campaign -- mcauliffe campaign not to on that issue. not to hit the second campaign on teacher pay, the things democrats usually hit republicans on >>.
>> especially as safe as most of the vote coming from suburban communities. what you need is a lot of suburban women in particular, men are little more conservative . in that state, you've got to be able to win those votes. you are going to win in the suburbs. you can't not be prepared for that. if you think about a lot of people who live in the suburbs and cities, what do parents care most about in their kids lives? we break up pulling by women and men and mothers and fathers, they care about giving their kids a good education, keeping them healthy. you have to have a strategy from the beginning. it surprised me that you could make a praise guild political guy, to make a blunder like that on an issue that is so
fundamental, that he has been connected to for a long time. >> i don't think ultimately it was a gaffe, he said it one time and it was a mistake, he doubled and tripled down. this was his policy. it was when that happened in the broader context. everything we talk about with education is defined by schools that were closed. every parent in virginia and across the country, became a homeschooler overnight. that was a letter that fed the hurricane that allowed youngkin to win. >> i think it was a gaffe. when you make a blunder, you can either double down on it -- [laughter] if you're going to double down on it, you better have some numbers in your polling to back it up and know you can survive it. i don't think in this case he could survive it.
>> we took 23 students to richmond for four days, on the issue of covid, this struck me. one of the voters we talked to said i'm voting for youngkin and i have never voted for a republican in my life. she was 48, couple of kids, the masking issue. i don't want to be told for the mast mandate. i want to get your thoughts -- as we look ahead to the midterms, hopefully we won't be having this mask issue again. what is the impact on what a government can instruct people to do? mandate component? it really did upset a lot of people. >> for me, this whole issue
around the mandates and vaccinations, all of that, it boils down to leadership. i still believe, maybe if you got some numbers to back this up , i would tend to believe that if we had started our national conversation on covid differently than we did, that we would not have several thousand americans dead, people bracket -- wrapping the flag around the mass, whether to wear it or not. giving credence to avoiding vaccinations, particularly if you're a public servant. the leadership makes the
difference. if a president of the united states confronting this crisis come out and said my fellow americans, we are in a state where we've got a lot of information flooding the zone, but there are some basic things that are scientists and researchers and cdc and world health organization are telling us we can do, for the sake of your health and your family and community, we need you to put on a mask and to show you that i'm going to put mine on right now. i'm going ask you to join me in this moment. very different conversation to the american people then coming out saying i'm not free if i don't have a mask. >> i don't want to look weak. >> no one is questioning your rights, we are asking you to preserve and health. on this issue, why here parent say that, i don't want that government mandating a mass, the
government is mandating the mask now because you didn't wear and it blew up on us. now we have to deal with the reality that it ain't going away , it still here, it will become endemic. [no audio] >> our leadership let the nation down in this moment. not a person thing, just a fact. >> [laughter] i have some data. [no audio] >> we asked the question, the
american public agrees -- [no audio] i'm not here to be critical of a buy on either side, if that's where the american public is, and they believe -- any politician can say, democrat or republican that we want to get life back to normal as much as you do. you know we need to end this pandemic, first and foremost then you can move on to talk about other issues. you're not connecting with them. >> i think it is interesting how we are talking about covid being such a factor on the ground in virginia. [no audio]
>> the culture war, [laughter] cracks as a cable news producer, you know. it is almost as if so may factions allow those voices on twitter -- this debate is overtaking the debate on children in school, masking and covid, then you end up with a worse divide, those were concerned about the kids in school you like they are being called racist and those who are offended by critical race theory, they are not getting that taken seriously enough. >> while you have the floor, i want to get your thoughts on the issue of trump, and how candidates moving forward, are they going it -- where does that
have to be the forward race moving forward. >> virginia republicans got lucky, just because of the convention. it is going to be hard to replicate in other places. we are already seeing more people are putting names forward that would not have necessarily been -- just this week, david mccormick, the ceo of bridgewater, his name in pennsylvania sent against sean parnell, the most trump he of trump he candidates. there influenced by youngkin victory. he is out of the youngkin mold. >> i think it was locked that he didn't have a temper tantrum and insert himself. he tried. they kept saying he was going to have this town hall, invitation
only. if a tree falls, did it really happen? >> that's a very interesting point about trump. a number of people have used, isn't odd he hasn't come out and slammed youngkin, particularly when youngkin was denying him publicly. youngkin played the judas role perfectly. he just rolled the sap suckers up into one character. trump was ok with that. i think i know why. for trump, he can suffer those outrageous assault on his person , it begot the wind -- begot the win, in a race like that, and state like virginia, it sets him up perfectly going in. if all the others fall in line,
he gets the bragging rights, we sought within hours, taking credit and saying my voters got youngkin across the line. trump was playing a long game, looking into next year, using this virginia race. he didn't talk a lot about jersey, the focus was on virginia. the reality for trump was, how do i use this set up for what comes next? he can suffer a bit there. the other thing, youngkin and trump talked a lot more than was reported. that was another thing, youngkin -- you don't need to get upset, but there was a lot of that back channel -- >> obviously there were some
staff communication. >> don't think this heisman maneuver was all running away from trump. i think it is a little more telling afterwards, because trump's reaction was so levelheaded and consistent throughout. that's because he was giving him -- >> it wasn't real evolution, look at 2018. she had to cover herself and donald trump, to the point where big daughters were this was arizona. this strategy was that you couldn't have any deviation with donald trump. i do think that the spell, at least in states there were up for grabs has been broken a bit. >> that goes your point about pennsylvania.
if you do get a counter narrative going against burnout, it changes -- against parnell, part -- it changes the dynamics for republicans in a number of races around the country, potentially. republicans still have on the backend, going into 2022, if president biden is able to lock down that baseline infrastructure legislation, it passed, it may already be signed today, it sets up a different narrative on policy and politics for next year. it is going to be harder, particularly some of those brick -- swing states to go owning the lives -- the libs, the mantra on the right, two people were
now enjoying going back to work, construction projects, covid in a better place on covid. we've gotten through an academic year, kids back to school, moms in suburbia feel better, very different narrative. you got to have something to say to those voters other than, they are not doing anything for you, because they will have done something. >> if the snarl gets rosier. what do they say? >> republicans? >> yes. >> it depends, essay it is back at 50%, is a different scenario. >> one of the things i tried to caution my republican friends with his stop measuring -- before last week's elections, i heard someone say is a done deal, in the bag, we are going to get thousand senate. it is not.
we can talk about historical trends, presidential approval rating, what your job is not to measure curtains right now, it is to build a house. some republicans can get from that mindset, which we saw from leadership, what we were at the rnc, we -- only internally in 2010 did we talk about taking back the house until after labor day. >> i got in trouble for not going out and bragging we are going to take the house. how my going to go off and say we are going when the house? we underplayed, karl rove came after me and said we should get 39 seats in the house. we are not going to do that. after the election, i said i got 63. you have to do the work. >> that is the national and the local. what we saw in this election, a
lot of national politics and display and smartly, a lot of local politics. as i republicans almost one in new jersey. it was not just bidens approval, which is bad in new jersey as well, it was property tax. if you're running for congress, you don't want property tax, per se. >> there's a lot of difference between running for governor and running for senate. what voters are looking for, less local issues. joel, where do you think democrats are most vulnerable, looking ahead to the midterms? >> you mean probably, politically or specific places? >> specific places. >> i think there are a lot of big numbers being thrown around about these bills that are out there, what do they all mean? i don't think there has been strong messaging about what is in it for me.
whether we are talking about build back better, the infrastructure bill has great stuff in it that people want, clean water so no peer has to worry about whether the water there kid's drinking is clean or not, or broadband internet. no school child in america should sit on school bus to do their homework because we can't get internet to their community. that is a shame. and inside washington game is consuming the energy and conversation. that is never good for democrats. it is to process oriented, not people oriented. we can deliver and will deliver if we get this done right. someone mentioned the john lewis voting rights act of 1965. we've got people foreboding -- foreboding so much more because of all the different means. when you hear the voting rights,
do you think about an old liberal bill or protecting every voter's right to vote the way they want and make it easier to vote. a simple shift of does not change the substance. that is what we need to do in the midterms and going forward. >> what about the clash within the democratic right. how do you deal with the far left? the other day talk about the democrats, we have to get rid of this crazy woke-ism everywhere. how do democrats navigate through that? >> i don't say how the party leadership has to deal with it. the numbers are reality. if you look at most moderates and conservatives, ideological framing of your personal preferences, liberals are the smallest. we never win from the left.
after the election, joe biden got elected against biden trip -- against donald trump. the biggest difference between his wing in 2020 and hillary clinton's defeat in 2016, biden outperformed into key points. democrats need to understand that. the previous panel address this, our flights are being cast out in public, we are not thinking long term about how are we going to build this party in the strongest way possible. you have to win from the middle out. build your party from the middle out. [indiscernible] first democrat reelected in new jersey in 40 years. >> do you want to jump in?
>> has a bothered to hire joel? -- has anybody bothered to hire joel? the thing about politics today, folks tend to make it more complicated than it is. it does boil down to a lot of things we heard from the first panel, and what you're hearing here, communication, which starts with listening. the one thing i have learned since i was a county chairman, in prince georges county, voters will always tell you what they want. they will always tell you how they feel. they don't hide anything from people who play in the space like we do. what is crazy is how we get it so wrong. how we don't understand the fact they are saying i don't want my kid to learn x, or i am
afraid this is going happen if this comes to my community, or why don't we have clean water? everyone over things in politics. it is simple, listen, my mother would say you know what you need to do it learn to shut up and listen. it is so true, and politics it is the first thing you have to do. yet we get it so long -- get so wrong. mcauliffe got wrong, he did not listen to what the voters were saying about his opponent. we like him, why do you like him, because he is going to do something we like, eliminate the tax on food, on groceries. what is your counter to that? >> at only one of his events, he said we are going to reform the dmv, they are going to answer the phone and say how can i help you?
who doesn't like that message? >> all those people standing in line at the dmv were like thank you, finally. voters will always tell you. i think jewel, in the work he does, has a good sense of where those lines are, someone said [indiscernible] the lines are moving like this, up this road, it is not a straight shot. whether you're talking about covid, the economy, education, whatever it is, that road is being shaped by voters. we as political players, elected officials, political wannabes have to learn how to navigate. we seemingly don't. >> i think, we have some real people in the audience, which is amazing, we have a few students
here, in their masks. we may have a couple of questions in the audience? from some students? yes? is there mike? -- is there a mic? >> my name is pete, i'm a junior. thank you for speaking with us. despite what my political affiliation might be, i think it is amazing where able to have this across the aisle talk and learn a lot more. and why my classes held in this very auditorium, asked the professor what he thought the twain 22 midterm elections would look like on the current political climate. he said the virginia gubernatorial election is a glimpse into what it might look like. what do you think about the midterms will look like and how
will the biden administration change in time to deliver their campaign promises and the platform they ran on? >> two things, thanks for the question, we've got two things happening right now. one is history. historical trends tell you it should be and usually is, 2002 being want the exceptions -- one of the exceptions. the power that is out of party should -- the party that is out of power should do well. if they win enough seats to pick up the house, it should be good for them. then where things are potentially going. at the elections were today, given biden's numbers, 42 percent, compared to obama 46%, we were looking at him being 46 or below, very bad year for
democrats. add redistricting to that. what we don't know, look at the news today, 500,000 jobs. a new pfizer pill is an antiviral. got people saying today, covid may be over, over, maybe endemic, but as a daily concern, may be over by january. if covid is a distant memory, it is a different landscape. that is why you have to play the super bowl, go through all this to figure out what is going happen. there is a long way to go between now and then. >> anybody else want to jump in on that? >> i think one mistake democrats have made is not being attentive enough to state legislative
races in 2020. 2018, we picked up about seven governors and a comparable number -- number of legislature. without that happening, we are going to have some tough matches , we didn't take -- look at that as an opportunity. we were focused on the presidency. all the other races, but you can't lose sight of that when you're looking at reapportionment. that is what would keep me up at night if i was a democrat right now. i am a democrat. >> [laughter] pfizer's news about the new antiviral, this is going to be the end pretty soon, knowing the pandemic probably is going to be done by the midterms, that is good for everyone. i think it is good for biden. that is a huge unknown, because
of the education issue, also the other unknown is this big spending package. his are going to be runway inflation, is housing out of control? will there be another crash? how does it all get paid for it? >> we haven't used the word yet in this panel that is driving concerns for voters right now, inflation. 500,000 jobs a month, that is fantastic. that means inflation is going to get worse, as people are seeing a 1% increase in take-home pay, if they are seeing a 5% rise at the grocery store or gas prices, we saw have supply issues, these are real problems not very easy to solve. >> not only are you ordering your christmas presents october, but paying a lot more for them.
>> [inaudible] >> the question i got, i will give the republican panel a chance to respond to something from the previous panel, that republicans have no policy. the republican platform in 2020 rubberstamped from 2016, there isn't a policy development coming from the republican party, it is more the party of no. i'm sure you disagree with that, i would like to hear why. >> actually, i don't. that is why was heading towards what i said about republicans are going to have to said -- come to the table is something. we don't have a counter for the infrastructure plan, a counter social plan to deal with the issues that moms and dads are telling us they are concerned about. whether it is daycare, what's the republican daycare plan?
i like that one. as a candidate or activist or party leader, to be able to go out and sell that to the voters, but we don't. this is the same fight that i could regale you with when i was rnc chairman, on health care. we had internal battles with those who thought they didn't want to go out and engage on the health care issue. we've got 40 doctors in the house, i'm sure we can come up with our own plan? this speaks more broadly about where we allow our leaders to take our politics. we take it to zero-sum. it is easier, better, the graft is greater when i can own the libs as opposed to owning policy. actually going out and playing on the line are credibility, our values, our ideas, behind a set of policies that we think will
work for the american people. when you give up on that, this is what you get. it's easy for me to throw shade in my democratic friends, then it is for me to engage them, three point $5 trillion, do you know what that means? -- $3.5 trillion, do you know what that means? we propose x, get out there behind, start holding these people accountable for something. you can't sit there and go oh, ok. >> is trump still the leader of the party in many respects? >> absolutely. trump was not elected as a policy platform, he was a rejection of the system, he was voted for his attitude is much as anything else. the party follows their
president. that is part of why we are seeing things where they are now. put yourself in the minority in congress, your job is to set out. you have a lot of times on your hands to talk about policy, supposedly your boating no on everything, from the final vote to every procedural motion there is. >> that is the house, not necessarily the case in the senate, or we know the minority can play a much more substantive rule, as opposed to just saying no, or blocking. you can put forward, through the leadership, we in the minority in the senate, counterproposals. a different set of ideas. making the case. it is not just a matter of holding up every nominee, or saying no to any provision. when you get to the point where you are saying no to have a debate about something, what do
you expect your government is going to do? if that is the go to, we're just going to say no been having a discussion, because we've got nothing to offer, that is essentially what it is. i think we can and must do better than that. republicans, find themselves scrambling a bit, if the numbers turn in biden's favor, if people feel better about where the economy is, where we are on covid. it is all one big if. at some point, you're going to have to have something to offer the american people other than no. >> talk about the role of trump moving forward? >> what you seen is so made the politicians trying to be trump's follow on that is there just cheap imitations. they can't carry it off.
the ivy league sycophants who try to pretend -- it is so fake, not working. like a previous incarnation of political extreme, like josh holloway or ron desantis in florida, who were associated with big ideas. much like you had john mccain, known as a foreign policy heavyweight. george w. bush, conservative -- compassionate conservativism. you don't have these major republican figures associated with the power of an idea, and a genuine passion for anything but owning the libs on fox news and creating a viral moment by being obnoxious and following in the model of donald trump. no one is as good at it as donald trump is. if the economy does continue
along this, a big if, it gets tougher for republicans if they aren't offering anything in response to a ton of infrastructure spending. >> i'm getting a couple of folks were angry that nyu could not find what they are calling a pro-trump republican. let me distill what i am seeing. i want to talk ron desantis, are the republican governors for doing these moves on policy that might be meaningful and give republicans a way forward in terms of something substantive in 2022 and beyond? >> i think most of it has been a wait and see. you are seeing people flexed some lyrical muscles, travel a bit, going to iowa and new hampshire like pompeo, desantis, nikki haley. as far as developing policy,
they are not investing in campaign infrastructure, hiring of people. in some cases, trump or super pac's are doing so. they don't want to draw ire. if any of the twice of the people most likely to run on the republican side announce their exploratory committee, donald trump will come at them with a howitzer. who wants to go next? no one. it is interesting there's a hesitation. >> how does trump play this? does he run, does he hold out to the last? >> it benefits them. if you're someone who likes attention, you don't need to do much to do it -- to get it. do rallies from time to time, that is it. >> there is a lot of power to do
what he is doing now. that is to hold certain players at bay. we saw, a couple months ago, in all that noise, about the governor of florida, -- >> he got upset. >> winning those poles in utah and other conservative states where he was becoming a favorite candidate, what did trump do? he dumped him like a hot -- all of a sudden he couldn't get it right, he wasn't the best. donald trump still wants to control a lot of what goes on inside the party. i put it out like this is a formal -- former national chairman, how are you spending your money? are you investing in candidates that you have endorsed? how may check to be written to
those candidates you've endorsed? that to me tells me whether you're going to be the leader of the party, when you're building 200 million dollars, $300 million, get in the ring and start leaving. put your money where your mouth is. not just get these candidates to beg for your endorsement, but see it through. how much my did you give to youngkin in this campaign? -- how much money did you get to youngkin in this campaign? tell me, like janet jackson said, what have you done for me lately? >> put your money where your mouth is. youngkin was able to dump $20 million of his own money. he was truly free, financially liberated. >> one thing that concerns me
about 2024 if trump doesn't run, we will have for -- however many people running, multiyear debates. based on what we've seen over the past year, all the audits, let's just say anybody is going to -- except the results of the iowa caucus? iowa, given some of its past troubles. new hampshire, south carolina, we could see the party eat itself by republicans and -- republican candidate saying they will accept the results. with the national and state parties do, i don't know, it is a terrible scenario. >> it is a bad, once you make it. that is the reality of attacking the electoral system the way we have as a national party. going after early voting, vote
by mail, which isaiah remind people, how do you think we won in 2010, i had to get ballots into the hands of my seniors who were unable to get the polls. yet you have the leader of the party, as he wants to be card -- called telling voters not to vote. what do you say when they lose? when you are unserious about voting, about the responsibility as we have as citizens, you have to push facts that -- push past that, what do we do now? this goes to the numbers the jewel digs into -- that joel digs into.
the kind of candidates were creating their own ways, whether it is through their own money or resources. it is great to have that independence, the party needs to be connected together at some point. a trumpy and candidate is not a new phenomenon. >> republicans in derry could have seven more senate seats if it were not for trump in georgia and some of those other candidates. >> when we think of 2024, if trump waits to decide, criticizing other potential candidates, and decides not to run, what are we left with, who is out there to lead the party? >> that is a tough one. right now, did donor favorite is clearly ron desantis. that is a big republican donors are hoping is going to fill the void donald trump does not run.
there is a lot of time, i'm not willing to make prediction there , remember how painful it was with all those democrats on the debate stage in 2016, with all the republicans, we are going to through that if donald trump does not decide to run. right now, i definitely think he will. >> do you agree, chairman? >> no. i don't see the incentive beyond controlling the process and having everyone bend the knee. that is so much more fun than actually having to go and do the work again. that is today. we will see. if you take this environment to that point about where the
numbers are, if biden is under 50%, significantly under 50%, the economy is stalled, inflation is the rule of the day , parents are still upset. then that opens but in a machair balanced or sailable environment for democrats, the economy is going well, people are going back to work, i don't see that. a republican governor who can talk about having governed through covid, recovery and all of that. the i don't see trump wanting to do that it will. but that's today. six months from now, very different. >> i think we have time for one
more question. >> sure, so i wonder, and this is what we're seeing from zoom here. i wanted to give you alan opportunity to react >> you can finish watching this program on our website. we will take you now to a briefing by the white house covid-19 response team. >> the vaccination program for kids is hitting full stride this week. this includes pediatricians and family doctors offices, pharmacies, odorant hospitals, community health centers, rural health clinics, and school-based clinics. while thegr