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political event live or on demand any time and where on our new mobile video app, c-span now. listen to c-span radio, and discover new podcasts all for free. download c-span now today. host:r nato secretary-general andrew rasmusson on the future of the organization and the threats that it faces. mr. secretary general, welcome to the washington journal. guest: good morning. host: remind us again about the nato. it's historic and current emissions. guest: historically, the most successful peace movement in history has insured peace and stability in the north atlantic area since it was established in
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1949. we still with challenges. russia constitutes a security threat to europe, but recently, we have also seen more aggressive chinese behavior that is also something that affects european countries, so, i see china as a new security challenge. host: you served a from 2009 to 2014. not during the trump administration. largely during the obama administration. but as you look at the nato during the trump administration and now, the biden admits, is there a difference in the way the administration's approach their relations with nato? guest: there may be an
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difference in rhetoric, but when it comes to the substance, i think the difference between the american administration is the same goal. more sharing within nato. the me remind you that in september, 2014, that was during the obama administration, we decided all nato allies should live up to the so-called 2% target. that is, they should invest at least 2% of their gdp and their defense. at that time, only three allies did so. trump stepped up the rhetoric, and he almost threatened european countries come in
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today, we, i would say, around have of the lado -- nato allies live up to the 2% target. i have no doubt that the biden administration will continue that kind. host: the rhetoric from president donald trump was successful as the nato countries increased their contributions. guest: during the trump administration we strengthened the nato militarily, because nato allies increased investments in difference. -- defense. president trump raised doubts about his commitment to the famous g5. in the nato treaty, it states that we consider an attack on
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one an attack on all. president trump raised doubts as to whether he would come to the aid of an ally that was attacked if that ally did not live up to the 2% target. the differences that during the trump administration, nato was militarily strengthened but significantly weakened. host: how many countries are currently members of nato, and are there places the data -- where nato troops are in service? guest: we have allies within nato. two of them in north america, namely north -- in the united states and canada.
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then, until recently, nato had responsibility for the operation in afghanistan, and it was engaged in iraq. it is still engaged in kosovo, just to mention some of the operations. nato took over responsibility for the operation in in libya in 2011. it has really engaged in operations. the philosophy is that total defense is very much dependent on peace and stability in our neighborhood. this is the reason why china will also be included as one of
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her new security challenges. host: we welcome your calls and comments. the phone lines are like this. for those of you the eastern central time zones, (202) 748-8000. permanent pacific, (202) 748-8001. shortly after the withdrawal from afghanistan, you had an opinion piece in the wall street journal. i want to read you an opinion piece. america and its allies cannot abandon the fight for democracy. you wrote that. it is time for those europeans to confront the new global reality. america is back but the world is changed. there are still security threats in europe, not the least from russia. but from russia, the campaign's hedge. it's the right priority. if america loses dominance in
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the indo pacific, it will cause a shocking power balance that will engulf europe, too. you see china is the biggest threat, not only to the united states, bill daley, but to europe as well? guest: absolutely. we have seen strength. personally, we have seen chinese economic cooperation, for instance in australia and india, and europe. it has been subject to economic co-opting from china because they do not borrow chinese directives, and we have also seen china pursue what are called unfair trade practices and stealing of technology. for instance, chinese companies
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are competing with our private companies, helped by chinese state subsidies. that is not a level playing field. recently, we have seen that even more sophisticated chinese approach where they pursue what i call strategic investments in infrastructure and business centers that are strategically important to us, and to counter this aggressive chinese behavior, we need to unite and strengthen the force of the world's democracies. we need to create lines of democracy to counter not only beijing, but all of the autocrats in the world. host: you are joining us on a
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week where, instantly, russia is announcing that they were breaking diplomatic relations with nato. how significant step is this to you? guest: in reality, it is not a significant step because the relations between nato russia have been deteriorating for years. i do not consider this a big loss. i don't see this is a big change. the defector relationship with nato and russia actually is quite frozen right now. host: i want to get your thoughts on the comments of the u.s. secretary-general. he is in south america, speaking and could or yesterday, and he implored for nationals to watch for four nations to take urgent steps to demonstrate that democracy can yield prosperity and security.
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part of the biden administration's attempt to reverse what is a dangerous rise in global authoritarianism. here is what secretary blinken said. we find ourselves at a moment of democratic reckoning, and a question for all of us and believeth survival is vital to a shared future is what we can do to make democracy deliver on the issues that matter most people. what are your thoughts on those comments? guest: i could not agree more. i think that is the most efficient response right now to the advancing a talker sees, namely -- a talker sees -- autocracies, namely that we represent 50 to 60% of the global economy. that is a familiar minimal -- formidable force that will
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create respect in beijing. president biden will organize and host a global summit for democracy in december, this year, and this first somewhat -- some would be virtual. next year, hopefully followed by physical summits for global democracy, summits for government in free societies. this is the right approach to counter the advancing autocracies. host: the former prime minister of denmark and the formers secretary-general of nato. here with us in the nation capital. what brings you to the nation's capital? guest: i am in washington, d.c. to discuss how we could promote
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freedom and democracy in a much more determined way. in truth, a couple of years ago, i established a nonprofit foundation called the alliance of democracies foundation. each and every year, we organize an annual summit in copenhagen. joe biden was the very first to inaugurate that summit in 2000. i would very much be pleased to help promote freedom and democracy, and that is why i was here to discuss with the administration and with members of congress how to build a civil society. how to run governmental organizations as the alliance of democracies to contribute to widespread, profound campaign
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for democracy. host: we appreciate you being here to speak with our viewers and listeners. let's go to our callers and hear first from ryan in albuquerque, new mexico. caller: good morning. i would like to focus on all of the western corporations that turn a blind eye to human rights abuses to chase the asian wage labor. i think that when the history of the area is written, i will say that the american leaders back in the 80's decided to globalize the economy and allow their corporations to run to communist china to exploit cheap liver. it was a colossal mistake. and just unite states alone probably work north of a hundred million dollars a year, defending against communist china. i like to put forth the idea
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that we should put tariffs on chinese goods for all the defense budgets, all the weapon systems that we have to buy and upgrade to defend against communist china. the west is made a horrible mistake. we should always have conditional agreements with the chinese. look what they are doing with taiwan. it is a joke. let's go after the greedy corporations that want to exploit asian labor. that is my point. host: your thoughts? guest: to a certain degree, i fully agree with your analysis, and i think an alliance of democracy should pursue a new economic strategy.
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i am very much inspired by the general of nato. i would create an economic article five. an economic article five aims at giving economic preferential treatment to free societies. for instance, australia. lithuania. taiwan. to chinese economic coercion, we should help those countries by purchasing their goods and agreeing on free-trade agreements and i think we should expand to also include private companies that are subject to consumer laws in china. they should have a facility that could tell them who their supply
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chain is made from two more stable democracies in the neighborhood. host: the caller mentioned hong kong and the threats china is making. we see this in the wall street journal this morning. a photo of chinese missiles and shiny military tests with hypersonic missiles launched for non-nuclear applications. >> you can see the last few minutes of this event go to our website c-span. oft rg. we are leaving this here to keep our over 40-year commitment of liven coverage of congress. the u.s. house of representatives today is considering legislation to award the congressional gold medal to service members who died in the august 26 terrorist attack during the u.s. evacuation from afghanistan. now live coverage of the house here on c-span ms. waters: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house pass the bill and pass h.r. 4111, the sovereign debt contract capacity act. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the bill.

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