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or his designee the ability to request roll call votes on suspension bills through october 22, 2021 and provides for suspension authority and same-day authority through november 18, 2021. mr. speaker, republican teddy roosevelt once said -- and i quote, the government is us, we are the government, you and i, end quote. he knew that government is at its best when it brings all of us together while also working for every single one of us. that means a system that allows every american the chance to put a roof over their head, food on their table and a job that allows them to put some money in the bank. where education and health care are affordable and not a luxury for the precious wealthy few.
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unfortunately as the deadline loomed, those discussions have had to give way to a debate whether a nation will pay its debts. rather than coming together to get this done, some on the other side advocated an approach that would stop government in its tracks and open the door for government default. we know what that would mean and send an our economy off the cliff and make the costs of everything skyrocket all at a time we should help families recovering from the economic shock of the covid pandemic. last week, secretary of defense said it would risk two million retirees, roughly 400,000 survivors. phaorbg zandi, chief economist at moody's and worked for republican senator john mccain, he said that defaulting and i
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quote would be financial armageddon, unquote. that is what has been at stake here, financial armageddon. the debt ceiling has been suspended 80 times often in a bipartisan way and i'm grateful that after much debate we are doing the right thing again here today. i took to the house floor two weeks ago, mr. speaker and stesed the importance of preventing default and i spoke about how i voted to raise the debt ceiling in the majority and minority when there was a democrat in the white house and republican in the white house and i asked republicans to do one thing, if they weren't going to help us, i asked them to get out of the way so the democrats can prevent default on our own. .. .
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i think leader mcconnell in the senate, he increased our debt limit into early december. after voting with other 10 other republicans to allow debate on that compromise, he got so far out of the way, that he couldn't even bring himself to vote for the deal that he pushed for. the deal was made and the compromise passed the senate and i'm hopeful we can send this bill to the president today and avert a totally self-made unnecessary catastrophe. let me say for the record the first time we saw a dramatic increase in our nation's debt was under president ronald reagan, a republican, who added $4 trillion to our nation's debt. part of that was to pass tax cuts. again, primarily for those at the top. so, please, spare us the lectures on taxes and spending today. let's just finally do the right thing. i want to thank all of those who will join with us today in making this possible. i pray that those who vote no will have their wisdom enlarged.
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because what is before us is ultimately a stopgap. we'll need to find a long-term solution in a matter of weeks. one that protects the full faith and credit of the united states. hopefully without lungerring from one short-term -- lurching from one short-term deadline to the next. that's one of the most basic tasks of congress. on behalf of our economy and the american people, we'll have to get this done. we always have. and we cannot afford not to do this this time around. lastly, mr. speaker, let me also urge passage of the three underlying bills also included in this rule. legislation that will extend protections for nursing mothers in the workplace. prevent discrimination of older americans, in the work force, and combat intimate partner violence. they are important ways for us all to show our support for protecting our nation's children, families, and workers. i urge all my colleagues to support this rule and the
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underlying bills. let's show that the words of teddy roosevelt haven't completely fallen on deaf ears. let's show that america plays its bills. and let's show that we can keep making government work better for every single american. with that, i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from massachusetts reserves. the gentlewoman from minnesota is recognized. miss miss fish back: thank you -- mississippi fischbach: thank you, mr. speaker. thank you to the gentleman from massachusetts for yielding the customary 30 minutes. i yield myself such time as i may consume. mr. speaker, h.res. 716 provides for the consideration of four bills, including an irresponsible extension of the federal debt limit and two bills that would have questionable consequences for small businesses. i'm most concerned about s.1301, which serves as the vehicle for an extension of the federal debt limit until december 3. this accomplishes nothing more than kicking the can down the
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road on something that should be addressed now. given the majority's insistence on passing several multitrillion dollar spending packages, democrats are now in control of the house, senate, and white house. they can pass a debt limit extension using their majority. since its their policies that are requiring substantially larger and earlier increases to the debt limit. in the past, when congress was required to raise the debt ceiling, the two parties were able to negotiate a bipartisan path forward. democrats simply refused to work with house republicans despite having many opportunities to do so. instead, they are determined to ram a $3.5 trillion spending bill checking off every item on their socialist wish list. i am equally incensed the democrats won't even give the debt limit extension a proper debate or vote on the house floor. instead, this rule will deem the
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debt limit extension passed. this is an insult to the members of this body who are being denied the opportunity to fully consider the graphity of ex-- gravity of extending the debt limit to account for increasing, unnecessary spending. it's absolutely unacceptable to run congress in this fashion. the second bill up for consideration under this rule is h.r. 3110, the pump for nursing mothers act. nursing mothers deserve protections in the workplace. which is why we already have strong laws in place to ensure reasonable break times and access to private, nonbathroom locations. this bill imposes a one-size-fits-all requirement for employers and includes penalties for employer violations. mr. speaker, our small businesses have suffered through enough new burdensome regulations as they fought to survive over the last year. there is no need to duplicate
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existing law. the third bill included in this rule is h.r. 3992, the protect oler job applicants act, which expands the definition and existing age discrimination and employment act of 1967 to include applicants for employment as a protected class. to be clear, the age discrimination in employment act already prohibits age discrimination in hiring. making this legislation redundant an unnecessary. under the scope of this new proposed legislation, employers using common recruiting practices like internships and job fairs, could be accused of discriminating against older workers, as older workers are less likely to participate in these opportunities than young americans entering the work force for the first time. this bill is just a murky expansion of the age discrimination in employment act. the only impact this legislation
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will have is on the number of lawsuits brought against american businesses. finally, mr. speaker, the fourth bill up for consideration under this rule is h.r. 2119, the family violence prevention and services improvement act of 2021. the family violence prevention and services program does critical work to support victims of family violence and many of my colleagues and i rise in supporter re- authorizing this program in its current form. unfortunately, this is another example of the majority working alone to draft legislation rather than working in a bipartisan fashion to put together a bill we can all support. mr. speaker, i am particularly concerned about a provision in this bill that would -- could allow funds from this program, funds that should be going to support victims of violence to be used for abortion services now that the hyde amendment was
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stripped out of the annual appropriations bill. this is obviously troubling and we cannot allow a pathway for taxpayer dollars to fund abortion. mr. speaker, there is much to be concerned about in these four bills. most troubling of which is the temporary increase to the federal debt limit, which is happening for no other reason than the democrats' own mistakes. they have worked alone on everything else. they have chosen not to be bipartisan to resolve the issues facing our country. instead they have chosen to push through partisan proposals while kicking critical issues down the road. i urge my colleagues to oppose the rule and the underlying bills. thank you, mr. speaker. i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman reserves. the gentman from massachusetts is recognized. mr. mcgovern: mr. speaker, let me remind my good friend that the compromise we are votinon was designed by republican leader, mitchcconnell. it's not what i wanted.
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i wanted to get this out of the way, make it longer, quite frankly. we weren't lurching from one deadline to another. i also say to my friend own the -- on the rules committee, that it is a little bit hard for us to stand over here and to listen to some of my republican colleagues complain, because what we are doing here is we are paying for the bills that donald trump and the republicans accumulated. i didn't like the tax cut that my friends forced through. by the way with no democratic support or consultation. it added trillions to our debt. but we have to pay for it. my republican friends went tout to a fancy restaurant, drank champagne, and ate caviar before paying paying the bill and now they want us to take the responsibility for paying their bills. you know what we have some experience in cleaning up the messes that have been left
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behind by our republican colleagues. the last time republicans controlled the house, senate, and white house they shut the government down. and the new democratic majority had to come in and fix all that. my friends are really good at creating messes and piling up big bills, by the way. and then they say to us, you clean it up. well, you know what, we are putting our country first. so we are going to clean up this mess. and we are going to move forward. and we are going to have a reconciliation bill, by the way, that will be mostly paid for. and my friends don't like that, they can vote against it. but let's be clear, 97% of what we are covering here are bills accumulated by donald trump and my trbl friends -- my republican friends. 97%. i don't know what the controversy is on the other side
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of the aisle. you didn't want to accumulate all this debt -- i remember during the tax debate we were talking to you about debt, you didn't want to hear anything about t we had some republicans say the debt doesn't matter, on this floor. now all of a sudden it does. that we have a democratic president. by the way, an the a democratic congress trying to pay the bills that you accumulated. this is ridiculous. it's absurd that we are having this debate. i want to yield one minute to the gentleman from maryland, the majority leader, mr. hoyer. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from maryland is recognized for one minute. mr. hoyer: i thank the chairman for yielding. this is our debt. it is america's debt. now, i agree with the chairman of the rules committee that some of this debt clearly accumulates from tax cuts. cutting our revenue before we cut our spending. some of it relates to greater
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spending. promoted by both sides of the aisle. for any one of us to get up and say it's your debt, it is america's debt. and america pays its bills. mr. speaker, as a member of congress i faced this question of raising or suspending the debt limit 49 times. this will be the 50th time since i was first asked to vote on this question when ronald reagan was president of the united states. now, the gentlelady is talking, mr. speaker, to her staff. i want to say that the arguments that she offered with references
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to why it's our debt is specious. and i emphatically deny it, that assertion. it is our debt. we have different priorities. different perspectives. different mandates. but every time we cut revenues or we approve spending, we raise the debt limit. by the way, the gentlelady was not here in the last congress, but we accumulated $5.4 trillion in debt. and the gentlelady may be reminded that they were passed in a bipartisan way. to meet a crisis that we thought justified those expenditures. mr. speaker, my republican friends across the aisle have
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been asked to take this same vote many times as well. and they voted yes on those occasions and no on others. nobody has clean hands when it comes to the debt limit. we all tend to rationalize that somebody else's debt. let me repeat, it is our debt, america's debt, and i will tell you this. i would hope that if only one of us of our 435, if only one of us had the decision to make as to whether we increase the debt limit or not, i hope that not a single one of us would say no. now, collectively we apparently can rationalize saying no because somebody else will get it done. somebody else will take the responsibility. somebody else will act responsibly. now, mr. speaker, previous
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speakers, i'm sure, although not here, perhaps have followed politics relatively closely. i have been here for a number of administrations. ronald reagan asked us to increase the debt. george h.w. bush asked us to increase the debt. . george w. bush asked us to increase the debt. barack obama asked us to increase the debt. donald trump asked us to increase the debt and now joe biden. why? because the alternative is unacceptable. perhaps nobody's listening. but every secretary of the treasury, republican and democrat has risen to the united
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states and said you must raise the debt, or we will invite recession or perhaps depression and global chaos in the fiscal marketplace. i don't see any animation to those who listen to that assertion and i'm glad to have any one of them get up to deny that every p-pt over the last 40 years that i have been here has asked us not to put the full faith and credit of the united states at risk. 50 times in 40 years. every time we made a determination, every time, democrats and republicans often together in common cause that the full faith and credit of the united states must never even be questioned. the 14th amendment says that, mr. speaker. it has been our shared determination as responsible parties that the costs we have
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incurred on behalf of the american people must be paid. and so many of the republicans will vote today not to do that and will use some rationalization that they don't like this rule or that bill or this bill. don't vote against your country's credit. and preventing a default was the obligation of members from both parties together. sometimes a number of us on one side or the other would vote against it to lodge our concerns about fiscal policies of the day. as long as it was clear that somebody else would get it done. together, democrats and republicans would make sure the debt limit was raised or suspended and that default was
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never a responsibility. i thank representative foster and representative boyle and others that would eliminate the debt ceiling all together. it is a phony issue. it is a fraud. it is fake news. and to think otherwise is intellectually not correct. we ought to think about eliminating this debt limit because all it does is have a threat to global instability. something we ought to consider very seriously as the debt has been dangerously weaponnized by one party. republicans first did that in 2011 even though they were in the house majority and the result was the first ever
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downgrade of america's credit rating. of course, that same party sang a very different tune when it was in the white house. and donald trump sat in the oval office, democrats were asked three times by your party to help not default on the debt and three times democrats overwhelmingly responded. now president biden has asked us to do the same thing, take action on the debt limit to ensure that a default doesn't happen. this is a lousy deal. it holds hostage the debt and credit of the united states for another two months. and then we are going to play this game one more time.
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a dispickable and irresponsible act for adults who know better. while it is a relief to american businesses, the default has been pushed back just a little bit. and i believe that will be short lived because we will find ourselves here in a month's time faced in a same situation in which we found ourselves this past week. that did not happen during the trump administration because this side of the aisle was responsible. this side of the aisle knew the truth. this side of the aisle, not very happy with the president of the united states, but happy with america's credit worthyness. one party has played party's games refusing to act responsibly as we have so many times before.
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mr. speaker, between now and december 3, america will be watching leaders mccarthy and mcconnell to see if they will lead the party down the responsible path or continue to play the game that has already pushed us to the brink of default. let me be clear. i will urge my colleagues on my side of the aisle not to play this game in this administration or future administrations. this is not about politics, this is about responsibility. this is about our country. this is, indeed, about the global fiscal health. we will continue to do the responsible thing and urge a longer suspension of the debt limit so we can get our country through the country's pandemic crisis and build back better. even the possibility of a default, mr. speaker, risks harming our economic recovery.
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194 sitting democratic members of this house, myself included, answered the call to end the debt limit under president trump and apparently you don't care about that. and you think that is the responsible thing to do when we had a republican president but not now when we have a democratic president. i hope the voters of american don't think that is acceptable. others in our caucus surely would have acted the same under the circumstances. 194 of us, not some few of us, 194 of us. the roll is going to be called and not beyonder, but here. and i hope so many of you are there when that roll is called.
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leader mcconnell knows it's the right thing to do. this is senator mcconnell's words. let me make it perfectly clear. hear me, my colleagues, mr. speaker, and hopefully our people, mr. mcconnell, the minority leader in the united states senate, the republican leader, let me make it perfectly clear, he said the country must never default. the debt ceiling will need to be raised. he didn't say unless you stop pushing your policies, democrats, that you ran on, to help people, to help children, to help businesses. he didn't say that. he said the debt limit must be raised. in 2015, when republicans were
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in the majority and asked democrats to address the debt limit and he tweeted again, this is senator mcconnell, the leader of the republican party on the senate side, quote, when the united states makes promises, it keeps them, which is why the house voted today to avoid the threat of a debt default with the overwhelming majority of us joining in that responsible action. i hope the leaders will reject hypocrisy and join with democrats before, before december 3 to eliminate the threat of default this time and before december 3 after this bill passes, to ensure that our country pays for what it has already bought. and i would add the observation to the rules committee chairman that i have respect and
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affection. mr. chairman, we both went into that restaurant. we both got a steak. neat they are one of us ought to leave without paying a bill. it wasn't just you who got a steak, we got a steak, too. and we both have the responsibility to pay for that steak. that is what this vote is about. and do not hide behind the differences you have on the three bills, as the gentlelady, mr. speaker, just referred to. don't hide behind this. this is about whether we are going to be fiscally responsible. i'm going to bring all three to the floor and you can vote against them but do not vote against the good faith and credit of the united states of america, our country. don't hide behind some facade that we created the debt or you
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are going to hide behind something that has a whole lot of money coming to it. if that was the case, democrats wouldn't have joined you under donald trump so we did not default. vote as an american and responsible human being sent here by your neighbors and friends to do the right thing. you know in your right hearts, the right thing is to not allow this country's full faith credit of the united states to be compromised and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time the gentleman from massachusetts. the remembers are directed to address their remarks to the chair. mrs.fischbach: i want to remind my colleagues i stated very clearly that i was talking about house republicans but i do want to point out that no republican
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in the senate voted for this debt limit extension and i appreciate the majority leader's words and he gave us a history about the votes and not playing politics, but i want to before i move on remind everyone about a quote from then senator and now president biden from 2004 during president bush's presidency and then senator biden said, my symbolic vote against raising the debt limit would have been a protest of the policies that are brought to us -- that brought us to this point and i demand we change course. this is not always been as bipartisan but with that, i yield one minute to the gentleman from virginia. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> i have a parliamentary
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inquiry. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman will state his inquiry. >> this rule provides for debate on h.r. 3110 which is entitled pump for nursing mothers act and this majority doesn't seem to be concerned about fathers. doesn't this violate the rules of this 117th congress because it recognizes the distincton between men and women. wouldn't this act to be called the pump for nursing person's act? and i'm concerned that we are not concerned about the men around this country and not allow on this bill. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman has not stated a parliamentary inquiry. the gentleman is recognized for his remaining time.
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mr. gooden: this debate -- mr. good: and i don't think it should be permitted we would have this kind of debate. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from massachusetts is recognized. mr. mcgovern: let me say for the record that the house rules do not ban the use of the words that the gentleman is referring to. it's another one of these right-wing conspiracies. i yield one minute to the the gentlewoman from california, mrs. pelosi. the speaker: i thank the gentleman for yielding for his john going leadership to bring this important legislation to the floor and to the work of the rules committee on the john going to make sure that we have the right discussion on the floor to meet the needs of the american people. mr. speaker, multiple times now, the democratic house has taken action to honor our
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responsibility to address the priority of the debt limit. we have done so because this is about protecting families. the failure to lift the debt limit could result in a loss of up to six million jobs, the elimination of $15 trillion in household wealth and drastic increase in the cost of loans, car loans, mortgages, student loans, credit card bills and other borrowing. . . when we talk about jobs and trillions of dollars in household wealth. in terms of the domestic economy writ large, our action protects the climate, preventing the decline in real g.d.p. up to 4%,
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a surge in the unemployment rate as i mentioned and what jpmorgan chase c.e.o. called, quote, a catastrophe of unbelievable proportions and damage to america for up to 100 years. up to 100 years. this is also about the health of the global economy. kitchen table, broader domestic, national economy, the global economy. the council of economic advisors has stated, default would send shock waves through global financial markets and would likely cause credit markets worldwide to freeze up and stock markets to plunge. employers around the world would likely have to begin laying off workers. goes on to say, 2,008 -- 2008 financial crisis had ripple effects throughout the global economy that ricocheted back to
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the u.s. shores causing firms to lay off workers, here we are again, and cut private investment. a financial crisis driven by a default has the potential to be even worse in addition to hitting a global economy not fully recovered from the pandemic. address the debt limit honors our duty to the constitution. the 14th amendment, section 4 states the validity of the public debt of the united states authorized by law shall not be questioned. so my question, mr. speaker, to you, is to our colleagues, what is it that they have against families when they want to increase unemployment, decrease household wealth, and have families charge more -- be charged more for car loans, credit card loans, mortgage payments, and other borrowing.
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don't you care about that? what do you have against our own economy where this catastrophe of unbelievable proportions could have impacts for over 100 years? don't you care about that? also, the health of the global economy, which i described so clearly, causing credit markets worldwide to freeze up and stock markets to plunge and employers around the world have to begin laying off workers. again, coming back to our shores. certainly you have respect for the constitution of the united states to which we take an oath to protect and defend, which states, the have a valid of the of the public death of the united states shall not be questioned. let us be clear about what this means. addressing the debt limit is not
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about future spending. as some have tried to represent. this is about meeting obligations that the government has already incurred, including from the bipartisan covid relief legislation passed last year. only 3% of the current debt that we are addressing here has been incurred during the biden years. under president biden. 3% of what we are talking about here. we are talking about the trump debt incurred and some of it in a bipartisan way to address the covid crisis. not all, though. we were not complicit in the republican tax scam to give 83% of benefits to the top 1% in our country. adding about $2 trillion that we have to cover here now. let us remember this should not
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be controversial. the debt limit has been a long time bipartisan issue. congress also has passed the debt limit 78 times since 1960. 29 times with a democratic president in the white house, and 49 times under a republican president. almost twice as many times under a republican president. but it has always been bipartisan. it has not always been unanimous. people have registered their concerns, their complaints. but up until now they haven't stood in the way of passing legislation. more recently in 2011 each of the seven times that the debt limit was addressed congress did so on a bipartisan basis. this includes three times under the last administration, when democrats cooperated in order to protect the economy from catastrophe. i want to remind that when
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president obama was president and the republican majority in the congress was threatening to not lift the debt limit, just the threat of that had an impact on our credit rating. our credit rating went down. the mere discussion of not lifting the debt limit had a negative impact on our credit rating. don't you care about that? it's sad that republican obstruction has delayed action for so long. and it's sad they will not join us for a longer term suspension. the full faith and credit of the united states must never be questioned and the financial security of families must never be gambled with. as our republicans -- republican colleagues seem to be doing. even though as mr. hoyer mentioned mr. mcconnell at one point was saying -- playing russian roulette with the economy. russian roulette for moscow
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mitch, interesting. democrats are for the people and i urge a strong bipartisan vote for this legislation and for protecting the economic strength of america's working families. with that, mr. chairman, i again commend you for bringing this to the floor. ask for unanimous vote on this important legislation. and yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady yields. the gentleman from massachusetts reserves. the gentlewoman from minnesota is recognized. mrs. fischbach: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield four minutes to the gentleman from texas. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized for four minutes. >> i thank the gentlelady for yielding. mr. burgess: it is a lot of money that we are talking about, but it's not just the volumes of money. it's the velocity with which we are spending money over these last two years. yes, the coronavirus was terrible. yes, the american economy needed some help. but we passed a big american rescue plan in february and the states and municipalities of
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this date have spent 2 1/2% of that money. now, i'm also on the committee on energy and commerce. we are one of the principal authorizing committees in the united states house of representatives. have we had a single hearing on how much money we have pushed out to the health care sector, to the states, to the municipalities? no, we have not. have had a single hearing what is likely to be required going forward? the answer is no we have not. so, i penned a letter to frank pallone, the chairman of the energy and commerce committee, asking him could we please do just a modicum of the oversight we are required to do in the committee on energy and commerce, mr. speaker, and i'd ask that this -- ask unanimous consent that this might be part of the record. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. burgess: you know, we heard over and over again that what a way to the manufactured crisis. the american people have some experience now with dealing with
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manufactured crises. since january of this year, they have seen a never-ending array of manufactured crises. i live in texas. border state. there are a lot of problems on the southern border. we hear about it every time we turn on the news. the border wall was supposed to be built, it was to help that problem. but there are stacks and stacks of material to build that border wall that are just sitting because the current administration has put a pause on all of that and said we are not building anymore. what's going to happen to all of that material? that material that was paid for with borrowed money that, yes, is part of the debt, what's going to happen to that? it's going to be stolen. it's going to be diverted to some other use. probably to no good end. but had that wall been in place, the streams of people coming across the border at del rio a couple weeks ago, maybe that could have been interrupted.
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the "dallas morning news" on sunday had a story about how 250 buses transported haitians from central america up to the lower rio grande valley. 250 buses. could our department of homeland security not have had some visibility on who was renting 250 buss to bring the 15,000 people to the southern -- buses to bring the 15,000 people to the southern border? maybe they could have spent some of that money in that is a request for recorded vote on. i don't know if anybody noticed gas is $1 more than it was nine months ago. we are in for a cold winter, mr. speaker. it would be nice to have some provisions to deal with that cold winter. this administration has turned a blind eye to the energy needs of the constituents, our constituents in this country. it's almost as if they wanted to harm the people of this country. i know that's not true. i know them to be good people. but at the same time what i hear from my constituents is an
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incredible amount of frustration with what is coming from the administration, what is coming from the congress. it's time we took care of the needs of the american people. we ought to get on with t i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the gentlewoman reserves. the gentleman from massachusetts is recognized. mr. mcgovern: thank you, mr. speaker. let me just say to the gentleman, my colleague on the rules committee, none of what he just stated has anything to do with what we are debating here today. none of it -- what we are debating here today is whether or not we are going to pate bills that have been accumulated. whether we are going to pay the bills accumulated as a result of an unpaid tax cut. mostly for wealthy people. and other spending. so the gentleman complains about gas prices. imagine what's going to happen to gas price it is we default on our debt. if we die stroi the entire -- destroy the entire economy. imagine the harsh impacts on everyday average citizens.
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all the other stuff is -- i guess nice rhetoric, but we are talking about here today whether or not we should pay the bills that many on the other side voted to accumulate. now all of a sudden they don't want to pay the bill. at this time i'd like to yield two minutes to the gentleman from kentucky, the distinguished chairman of the committee on budget, mr. yarmuth. let me just say, mr. speaker, that i heard the news today that mr. yarmuth will not be running for re-election. i think it's a sad day for this institution because he conducts himself with grace, with dignity. always sticking to the facts. and he has a demeanor with him -- about him that i think all of us should try to emulate. it's sad to hear that news today. do i admire him greatly. i want to yield him two minutes. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from kentucky is recognized for two minutes. mr. yarmuth: i thank the chairman of the rules committee for both yielding and for his
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kind remarks. mr. speaker, this is what our republican colleagues won't tell the american people. the debt ceiling does not control spending. it is raised as has been said multiple times now to cover the debt we have already incurred. in this case a lot of that debt is from the 2017 trump tax scam. our republican colleagues will tell you they voted to cover that debt. here's the deal. that massive giveaway to wealthy corporations and individuals has a price tag of nearly $2 trillion. this year it added $271 billion to the debt. republicans are refusing to pay that bill. next year it will add another $243 billion to the debt. are republicans going to pay that bill? how about in 2024? or fiscal 2025? or fiscal 2026? they refuse to vote to pay those
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bills. this whole debate about the debt ceiling has become a dangerous lie, a very dangerous lie. the truth is the debt ceiling needs to be repealed or at least needs to be reformed so we can put an end to this political brinksmanship that will continue to threaten our economy and the livelihoods of american families for years. it's time to end this charade. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the gentleman from massachusetts reserves. the gentlewoman from minnesota is recognized. mrs. fischbach: thank you, mr. speaker. i just -- as we hear so much about this wonderful bipartisan history of this debt ceiling, i just want to point out that the last five times republicans controlled the house, senate, and white house the current speaker and the entire democratic current democratic leadership voted only to -- voted only -- only voted to raise the debt limit one time. i wish that we would make sure that we point out the accurate
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history of how this has papped. but with that, mr. speaker, i would like to yield two minutes to the gentleman from missouri. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from missouri is recognized for two minutes. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i want to thank the lady from minnesota for yielding and for pointing out the truth. i am glad that i decided to wear my boots today because it's getting deep in the swamp up here today listening to the garbage on the other side of the sle. the democrats have already pushed through $2 trillion of wreckless, wasteful spending at the expense of working class americans. now they're wanting to push through another $4.3 trillion reckless spending bill that will reward their political friends, their wealthy donors, and their allies at the expense of working class americans. let me tell you, the ranking budget chairman said we should increase the debt limit a gazillio dollars.
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we have folks on the other sid of the aisle just in the last 30 minutes that have said we should not have a de limit. this is the democrat party. they do not believe there should be no limit in debt. they said that on the floor. but that is not what the american people want. if you want to raise the debt $480 billion until december, guess what, listen to the white house. just last week, the white house said there's $480 billion of unobligated funds from your biden bailout bill from march. wreuz that. -- use that. but no. you want to continue to take more money from working class americans by putting in debt their kids and grandkids. but of course on the other side of the aisle they'll tell you, oh, we'll never pay back the debt. that is what comes from the other side of the aisle.
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folks, we have so many crises right now, a border crisis, an afghanistan crisis, an inflation crisis, an energy crisis, all as a result of joe biden, nan see pelosi and chuck schumer and now they're trying to increase the debt $380 billion more that will fuel those crises. the american people have had enough. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the gentleman from massachusetts is recognized. mr. mcgovern: thank you, mr. speaker. you wonder why people hate congress. we have somebody on the budget committee trying to make us believe that in fact, you know, that raising the debt limit somehow controls spending. the bottom line is the debt limit is about paying the bills that have already been accumulated including many of the bill that my friend who joust spoke voted to accumulate, including a tax cut bill that benefited the well off and well connect. i yield three minutes to the gentleman from virginia,
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distinguished chairman of the joint economic committee, mr. beyer. the speaker: the gentleman is recognized for three minutes. mr. beyer: i rise in support of the legislation to pay america's bills and avoid a catastrophic default. raising the debt ceiling doesn't incur new debts. it simply allows the treasury department to pay the debts already incurd. any debt subject to the current increase was passed before president biden took office. the dig bereavers were the cares act programs we all supported, higher defense spending under the previous president and enormous republican tax cuts that were not paid for which mostly went to the wealthy. congress has raised the debt ceiling 78 time, mostly when a republican was in the white house. mr. speaker, this has always been a bipartisan vote. in 2017, when donald trump was president, more than 90% of the democrats voted to increase the debt limit. in 2019, when donald trump was president, more than 90% of the
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democrats voted to increase the debt limit. it should be a bipartisan vote now. the simple fact is if it wasn't, congress fails to raise the debt ceiling, it would mean we refuse to pay our debts and would lead to destruction. i'm confused too one way this is very asymmetric. we help the republican presidents but they refuse to help us. i don't understand, my friend from south carolina said in front of the rule committees this is because of the build back better bill, the proposed $3.5 trillion that's coming. fails to recognize that the u.s. federal debt went up $7.8 frl in the trump administration, more than half of the theoretical maximum of the build back better but more importantly build back better won't add one penny to the deficit. we worked hard to raise revenues from those who can afford it, whose lives won't be affected. the unemployment rate would
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shoot upwards, payments would cease for social security recipient, veterans and hospitals that take medicare and medicaid and our federal work force and troops wouldn't be paid. 10 years ago the government accounting office said the u.s. had to pay an extra $1.3 billion because of debt limit brinksmanship. if you want to address the debt the obvious way is to pay for your spending, to be fiscally responsible. that's what my democratic cheeks are doing with the build back better bill, that my colleagues and i spent many, many months figuring out how to pay for these investments. it's ridiculous that a party that claimed a $2 trillion handout to the wealthy would pay for itself mostly in dividends and stock buybacks now complains about the debt. if you're worried about the debt there are ways to address it without taking a wrecking ball to the u.s. economy. it should have unanimous support in this body. it's a concerning prospect that we have to do all this again in
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two or three months and republican leaders are already promising even stronger opposition to avoid the self-inflicted destruction of our economy. sooner or later, if we don't all recognize the risks and take an adult, responsible approach to governance, the worst will happen and we'll default. with that, mr. speaker, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from massachusetts reserves. the gentlewoman from minnesota is recognized. mrs. fischbach: i yield one minute to the young man from wisconsin. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from wisconsin is recognized for one minute. >> thank you very much. i appreciate you yielding. mr. speaker, today, washington is once again kicking the can down the road. we're adding nearly $2 million in debt per minute. what is this institution doing about it? kicking the can down the road while at the same time my democrats across the aisle want to spend trillions more. by borrowing another $480
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billion, speaker pelosi and president biden are simply kicking the can down the road. we can't continue to avoid our responsibilities and spend ourselves into oblivion. those across the aisle are not being honest with the american people. we're going to have to ultimately pay for this. this is not responsible. prices for workers, families and seniors continue to arise because of washington's out of control spending. yet washington refuses to take accountability for its spending problems. today's vote will simply kick the can down the road once again and fail to get our spending here in washington under control. i urge my colleagues to vote against this bill we must stop the out of control spending in washington -- the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. mr. steil: i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady reserves, the gentleman from massachusetts is recognized. mr. mcgovern: i yield two minutes to the gentlewoman from texas, ms. jackson lee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized for two minutes.
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ms. jackson lee: let me thank the distinguished gentleman from massachusetts. and my friends on the other side of the aisle. the good news is the democrat, and i hope some good friends, some republican, will not kick american families down the aisle and down the road. that's high we're here to ensure those human beings will not be kicked down the road. i am stunned by the actions of my friends that would not support the paying of your bills. let us not discard the reality of what lifting the debt ceiling means. it is a bill that has already accrued. it is the light bill, the telephone bill, it is the heat bill, it is the tuition for college. those are bills that have accrued that we are paying for. that's the example the american people ask. and then we are trying to work together to ensure that lead poisoning that is killing our children in water by the invest act is ready to go with the build back better that broadband
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is ready to go with the build back better. and of course we want to do something innovative. the housing crisis in america is unbelievable. homelessness is on the rise. veterans who have pledged their life to us as americans and who have put on the uniform unselfishly are homeless in droves. they're homeless in big cities like houston, los angeles, new york, chicago, and rural areas. none of that is attributed to local leaders. when i was home yesterday interacting with the engine of the economy, construction companies and workers and engineers, they begged for having us come together, invest act, build back better. this bill includes a $35 billion investment in the home investment partnership. we want to make sure that medicare is strong. federal medicaid. we want house, climate change, immigration reform. there are many elements that will stop pushing the american people down the road like a can, just keep saying to them we'll get it one day, we'll get it
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another day. providing education for all those workers who were stymied during the pandemic, stopping the eviction of individuals who i saw come out into the streets. let's do the debt extension that the senate has given us. let's not accept this palt ray extension and save the american people build back better and the investment -- the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from massachusetts reserves. the gentlelady from minnesota is recognized. mrs. fischbach: mr. speaker, you know, i just continue to hear from my colleagues across the aisle that this notion that the debt limit are always bipartisan votes and just wanted to point out again that however in the last 20 years, there were five occasions where the party in power had to pass the debt limit through the senate by themselves. this includes when then-senator biden and -- then-senator biden and senator schumer voted against raising the debt ceiling under president bush.
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with that, mr. speaker, i yield one and a half minutes to the gentleman from pennsylvania. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one and a half minutes. >> i thank the gentlewoman from minnesota also for exposing the facts that are very stubborn things. what am i missing here? the democrat leadership lectured us on how critical it is for all of us to vote huge debt ceiling increases, as an obligation, as our duty, get democrat leadership, we're showing, has voted against debt ceilings many times. i have quotes from their commentary. mr. meuser: it would create uncertainty in the overall economy, destroying credit downgrades, etc., etc. mr. speaker, this is i hy pockcy. and my -- this is hypocrisy. my constituents are tired of it. as well, to say this debt ceiling is for past bills is false. let's then set the debt ceiling
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at a responsible level, not at the level that happens to accommodate the $5 trillion plus planned reconciliation tax and spend bill they're working on. asking us to raise a credit card limit trillions and have no say at all in how it is spent, mr. speaker, that's irresponsible. and i won't be part of it. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. mr. mcgovern: let me just say to my good friend the gentlelady from minnesota, yeah, democrat, individual democrats on occasion have voted no on the debt ceiling and the party in control, you know, ends up carrying the day but i guess would ask her, does she know how many times democrats threatened to filibuster the raising of the debt ceiling in the senate? to make it virtually impossible for the party in control to be able to pass it?
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i'm happy to yield to her but the answer to that is zero. zero. i said this before we debated this a couple of weeks ago. you know, i don't expect my republican friends to do the responsible things but i expect them to get out of the way so we can. that's what's at stake here today. again, let me remind all my colleagues what happens if in fact we don't extend the debt limit. again, according to a nonpartisan moody's analytics, mark zandi said such a crisis could result in a loss of six million u.s. jobs and $15 trillion in u.s. household wealth would be wiped out. obviously something that we cannot easily recover from if we could ever recover from it. especially after the coronavirus pandemic. let me just say, i am so happy to hear my republican friends finally have seen the light on the debt. where have you been?
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where were you when donald trump brought his tax cut bill for the well off and well connected? you had no problem, you had no problem at all piling on $2 trillion to the debt. remember the debate we had on the floor. no big deal. no big deal. i mean would you reconsider that vote now? or do you want to take back the vote that many of you cast? i think wisely so, to help provide covid relief moneys to families that were struggling because of the worst pandemic in our lifetimes? you want to take that back? i mean, come on. this debate is embarrassing. mr. speaker, with that, i reserve my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from massachusetts reserves. members are reminded to direct their comments to the chair. the gentlewoman from minnesota is recognized. mrs. fischbach: i yield two minutes to the gentleman from texas. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. >> i thank the lady, mr. speaker. to answer my friend's question about what we -- would we do this again on tax cuts the
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answer is, absolutely. we grew the economy. we created jobs. we lifted six million people out of poverty. and guess what? two years in a row we have record revenues in the treasury coffers to bring down our deficits and our national debt which by the way, mr. speaker, is the greatest threat to this country, and the prospects of our children inheriting the blessings of liberty and prosperity but instead of putting that as the central issue of debate today, we're here, we flew from all over the country, to vote to raise the debt ceiling but it's buried in a bill that has family violence, nursing mothers, protecting old job applicants, i don't know what we're -- this is -- what costume party i've arrived at here in washington but halloween has come early here because
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nothing on this rule bill says debt limit. it has nursing mothers. i know that my democrat colleagues want to be involved in every facet and phase of the lives of the american people including nursing mothers but the reality is, we're broke, our budget process is completely dysfunctional, we ought to be talking about spending caps. no budget, no recess, debt targets. things we could work things we could work to get on a sustainable path to fiscal sanity. instead we bury a debt ceiling vote, which is what this is, in a rule bill about family violence, older americans, and nursing mothers. that is the most washington shuck and jierve thing i have -- jierve thing i have seen in a long time. what deception, what swampiness. that's why the american people
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can't stand this institution. and they certainly can't trust this institution to do the people's business, mr. speaker. thank you, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlewoman from minnesota reserves. the gentleman from plasmas virginia tech. mr. mcgovern: mr. speaker, oh, my goodness. the gentleman says that we buried the debt limit somehow in this rule? i'll lend him my glasses, it says in the title, increase the public debt limit. i don't know how much clearer it could be. it's in the title. did you not read the rule? by the way, mr. speaker, we met in the rules committee on s.1301 on september 29. two weeks ago. on that same day we debated the bill on the house floor and voted on it. up or down. fully transparent. 218 democrats voted yes. one republican voted yes. two democrats voted no. 210 republicans voted no. it was a fully transparent process.
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what are you talking about? what we are dealing with today is a senate amendment to that very same bill. we don't need to start the process of hearings or markups or debate all over again for a senate amendment to a bill that we have already debated and voted on. by the way, a senate amendment that was inspired by mitch mcconnell, the republican leader. don't just come here and make stuff up. the debt limit is in the title of the rule. for goodness sake. with that i reserve my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentlewoman from minnesota is recognized. mrs. fischbach: mr. speaker, i just wanted to point out that my colleague from the rules committee points out that we did debate this resolution 1301 a couple weeks ago, he also pointed out there is a senate amendment that was added to it that we are not debating right now. so it's not entirely the same
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bill that we talked about two weeks ago. i just wanted to make sure that that was pointed out because it is not the same bill. obviously there is lots of discussion and input that people want to have on this debt ceiling issue. i really do feel the need to say it again that this is an irresponsible way to run congress. the democrats are not giving this debt limit extension the proper debate. what we are actually debating right now is the rule. we are not debating the actual issue of the debt ceiling and talking about it in depth as we should be. i just wanted to make sure that the american people understood that that is what we are doing. with that, mr. speaker, i yield one minute to the gentleman from pennsylvania. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from pennsylvania is recognized for one minute. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i thank the gentlelady from minnesota. i was sitting in my office and couldn't help but hearing that this is kitchen table economics.
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so i just want to reduce it down to what kitchen table economics actually is. this is a country that pass an imcome of about $3.5 trillion a year. meaning if you are a regular family that means you make about $35,000 a year. let's redice it to kitchen table economics. we turn around and spend $6.5 trillion so that's telling the average family back home, mr. and mrs. america, understand something, you make $35,000 a year. you should be spending $65,000 a year and just increasing your total debt. mr. kelly: we are at, right now, between funded and unfunded liabilities america is on the hook for $130 trillion. this is the pathway to destruction. we are going to point fingers back and forth. you guys raised it and you should have raised it. you know what. there is no such thing as a debt ceiling here. there is no debt ceiling here. this is a sun roof. all we do is open it every time
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we want to irresponsibly spend money and we keep spending and spending. it falls on the backs -- the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. mr. kelly: current generation. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlelady reserves. the gentleman from massachusetts is recognized. mr. mcgovern: mr. speaker, i'm hearing two things from the other side. one is they are fine with ignoring the debt if it's not things that they like. two, i'm hearing that they are fine with defaulting on the debt. therefore throwing our economy into ruin. talk about irresponsibility. i reserve my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentlewoman from minnesota is recognized. mrs. fischbach: mr. speaker, i yield two minutes to the gentleman from texas. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized for two minutes. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i would just want to thank the distinguished majority leader for sharing with us the voted 49 times to raise the debt ceiling. when he came into this body the debt was about $1 trillion. today it's $28.5 trillion.
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thank you. i guess. mr. roy: on behalf of the people of america staring at $28.5 trillion of debt. here's the thing. my colleagues on the other side of the aisle are asking us to support a half a trillion dollar increase in the debt. half a trillion dollars. the american people can't keep up with what those numbers mean. they do know that those dollars are being used to fund government tyranny over their lives. that's what those dollars are being used for. for a border that's not secure. for cartels that are whipping into texas. for critical race theory being taught to our children. to not fund police. have the f.b.i. going after parents. in school boards. vacs mandates. shutting down businesses. forcing people to comply or they lose their job.
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energy poverty. preventing people from actually getting the energy to keep their homes, drive their cars, go to work. that is what my colleagues on the other side of the aisle want us to borrow half a trillion dollars to keep funding. please forgive me if i vote no. to rack up more debt for my kids and grand grandkids. to fund the tyranny of the american people that my colleagues on the other side of the aisle wish to continue to fund. no. i haven't voted for a debt ceiling increase before. i certainly haven't voted 49 times to raise the debt from $1 trillion to $28.5 trillion as has the majority leader. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the gentlewoman reserves. the gentleman from massachusetts virginia tech. mr. mcgovern: i'm going to save my breath and reserve my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentlewoman from minnesota is recognized. mrs. fischbach: mr. speaker, i yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from arizona. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from arizona is
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recognized for 30 seconds. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i thank the gentlelady for yielding. with that i move to adjourn. the speaker pro tempore: the question is on the motion to adjourn. so many as are in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the noes have it. the motion is not adopted. pursuant to section 3-s of house resolution 8, the yeas and nays are ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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