tv Hearing on Voting Rights in Texas CSPAN July 31, 2021 4:49am-5:37am EDT
[gavel smashes] >> we are ready to resume. i recognize mr. comer for five minutes. >> thank you, madam chair. i have studied the texas bill, i have studied the georgia voting bill that has been in the news a lot. i think the liberal, mainstream media has mischaracterized both bills significantly mischaracterized both bills. both bills look to me like it would make it easier to vote and harder to cheat, which is what every law abiding legal american voter should want. with that, madam chair, i would like to yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from texas, mr. fallon. >> the gentleman from texas is recognized. >> i just want to clarify something. i just want to make sure. ms. thompson, was there a meeting held before the special
session that took about a half a day that involved republicans and democrats trying to work out this bill? ms. thompson: there was. >> did you attend that meeting? ms. thompson: i did. >> ok. there is a special committee that was appointed to hear this bill, and are you on that committee? chairman and them are -- chairman andy muir talked about the concern that representative collier had about the mail-in ballots you used 20 years ago, your social security number but now you are using your driver's license number. representative you see asked that question. do you remember a commitment being made by chairman muir? you might not, that's fine. if we watch the tape back, there will be a commitment publicly made that he would fix it. i just want to move on from that.
representative collier, do you believe, and i am guessing that i know the answer, but i want to give you the chance to answer, that this bill, if it becomes law, would be restricted? ms. collier: what do you mean restrictive? rep. fallon: harder to vote. ms. collier: let me give you an example. as i sat here today, my integrity was questioned, the veracity of my statement was questioned by congressman sessions. he made an accusation that i was incorrect and he said it would such authority that he called into question my actions. and based on that, it could deter someone from participating any further. rep. fallon: i am not representative sessions. i am going to have to reclaim my time. if you don't want to answer the question, that's fine. do you believe this bill is going to be restrictive?
you oppose the bill in its current form so i am guessing you don't think it's a good bill. fair to say, yes or no? ms. collier: i believe it's going to be harder on people who are going to be targeted, for people of color, to participate in the election process. >> he would say it's racially motivated, certainly racially negative. ms. collier: it would have a disparate impact on people of color. >> that's your view. we have two weeks of early voting in texas. if we were to reduce that to one of, what you say that would have a disproportionate effect on people of color? ms. collier: you have to look at the totality of circumstances. it's more than that. it's also the hours, the locations. >> this expands the hours. ms. collier: it doesn't. it reduces the hours. >> in 253 counties, it expands the hours. ms. collier: there was 24 hour voting and now you cannot. >> was there 253 counties that had 24 hour voting in the last cycle? no, there was not. >> it reduces the voting.
>> would you join me in condemning connecticut and new hampshire and delaware and new york and new jersey for being racially insensitive by not having two weeks of early voting. some of those states don't have any early voting. ms. collier: i am not familiar with what is going on in those other states. >> you would say early voting is a getting -- good thing? ok, so you don't know where your stance is on early voting. drive-thru voting, can you name any states that allowed 24 hour voting currently? ms. collier: i know texas does. >> i am going to have to reclaim my time on the. how about drive-thru voting? ms. collier: harris county had drive-thru voting. >> any other states other than texas? ms. collier: that's the state that i am aware of, texas. >> no other of the 50 states. i think that what we have seen here -- now, correct me if i am wrong. you called this bill jim crow 2.0? ms. collier: i have not made that statement today.
>> have you made it in the past? ms. collier: no. >> i've never -- you've never said it? ms. collier: it does have a disparate impact on people of color. >> you believe that people who support this bill are practicing racial disco nation -- discrimination? ms. collier: i think the outcome would be a disparate impact. >> are you calling your republican colleagues racist in any form by supporting this? ms. collier: they are uninformed. >> you said that there were proud boys that were practicing intimidation. i've never meant a proud boy. -- met a proud boy. they were criminals who breached the capital and i wasn't too happy about it. what do they look like? ms. thompson: let me tell you what the people look like that i talked about, the poll watchers
that come to my area, they are white, look like they could be people of proud boys or the ku klux klan. >> you are judging a book by its cover. >> the gentleman's time has expired. ms. thompson: it would be more amenable to me if you had [indiscernible] >> i believe there were no complaints filed at all in harris county on voter intimidation so i think it's more of an urban legend. i yelled back -- yield back. >> i now yield five minutes. >> thank you very much, madam chair. thank you all for being here. thank you for coming to washington at a critical moment in our nation's history. people keep trying to characterize what you did as fleeing texas, but i think what you did was you were pulled to the nation's capital by the power of your experience and
came as a clarion call to congress and to the president to do all we can to push back against these voter suppression efforts. and you didn't just come for texas, although that's your first love, you came on behalf of states and americans all across the country who are facing similar rollback of their access to the ballot box. so, i can't thank you enough for that. i want to pledge to you that i and others here are continuing to do everything we can to get hr1, s1, before the people act -- the for the people act and
the john lewis voting advancement act across the finish line and to do that as quickly as we can, understanding that our democracy is up against the shot clock right now, when you look at plans to engage in extreme partisan gerrymandering across the country, as well as to further ingrain this voter suppression that we have seen. so, i thank you for being here, and we very much appreciate your willingness to lean in every single day on these critical issues. at the end of the day, all we are trying to do is create a political ecosystem that puts the voter in a respectful place, that's all. not to give one voter an advantage over the other but to raise standards all across this country, so that when you wake up in the morning or on the day
you have decided to cast your vote, whether it is sitting at your kitchen table filling out an oval on a mail-in ballot, or it's showing up on election day, you have confidence that you can complete that transaction without having three or four or five contingency plans to make it happen. that's all we are trying to with these reforms. let me ask you, representative collier, and then representative bernal, but you had mentioned very astutely that things that can be dressed up as mere inconvenience or difficulty in accessing the ballot box are really just voter suppression. it is complicated sometimes. you can create a kind of rubiks cube or contraption on voting where you can say, well, the
local has this rule and that rule, but somebody is masterminding that that's going to have an impact, and often an impact on certain groups. i would be interested to hear, we have about a minute and a half left, but maybe each of you would take a few seconds to talk about, you know, one or two examples of something that gets painted as, you know, inconvenience or difficulty, but you know and you have seen that actually it has an impact and often a disproportionate impact on the ability of people to access the ballot box. ms. collier: when the polling locations changed, people get voting in a particular location, but they change those continuously, then that is a form of suppression. when you change the hours that a polling location is open, on different days even, so you may say monday, wednesday, friday,
it's open from 11:00 to 7:00, that may get complicated and confusing. those are methods. the other thing, it deals with the types of identification. you can use your open to carry license, your license to carry, but you cannot use your student id that is issued by a state institution. so, it is confusing and there is a lot of red tape when it comes down to voting by mail that make it difficult for people to participate in the process. it is cumbersome. and that, when you do participate and you make a mistake, your subject to harsh criminal penalties where you could face jail time. in this particular bill, the presiding judge could face jail time without a warning that the same poll worker -- watcher who violates the law would get a warning first, and then a criminal penalty, subject to criminal penalties. i don't see parity in the law
that they are doing for this particular measure when it comes down to elections. that's what we want to make sure. it's unfortunate that we have to come to washington, d.c. we are still doing our job today. i have not stopped doing my job in representing my constituents since 2013. and that i would have to come from a member of congress to tell me that he has negotiated and confirmed that a provision that was harmful to people will be removed. that's unfortunate, but that's where we are today. so, i thank you for your bill and for the consideration and i look forward to working with you. >> unfortunately, i have run out of time. i would love to get the thoughts of the other panelists, but i am out of town. mr. chairman -- out of time. mr. chairman, the word-of-mouth goes back into a community about how hard or easy it is to cast your vote. wouldn't it be something if we could create standards across this country so that when people went back to the community, they say, you know, i went and voted
today and it worked out just fine for me, and we should all get out there and cast our vote and raise our voice. >> thank you for your leadership and questioning. we go now to ms. fletcher, who represents houston, is not a member of the subcommittee but she changed all of her travel plans to be here. you are recognized for your five minutes of questioning. ms. fletcher: thank you so much, mr. chairman, for allowing me to participate in today's hearing, and i really want to thank our witnesses for being here, both of those here in person and those joining us virtually. i have limited time with five units, but i want to respond with a few issues that we have heard today and give you all a chance to respond. there were several questions that i think the witnesses were not able to answer fully. but i also want to address why we are here and why this matters. these bills are being written in texas, but these bills are being written across the country, and this is a national issue. what's happening in texas is
really a cautionary tale. i want to follow up on something that my colleague, mr. fallon, said. he raised the issue and said that, you know, it was horrifying to him and heartbreaking to hear about the past. our witnesses here are talking about the past, but they are talking about the present. they are talking about what's being done to suppress the vote in texas today. it is still happening and it may not be, as our beloved late colleague john told us, requiring people to count the number of jellybeans in the jar, but our witnesses are telling us what's happening right now, and we need to listen to them, and we need to understand how we respond to this at a federal level. i have a couple of quick follow-up questions. ms. thompson, representative mace asked you several questions about what you need in texas an id for an just a litany of questions but there was one question which she did not ask,
which is, does texas require you to have an id to vote? i believe the answer is yes. this bill is not about voter id, it's a distraction from the issues and methods in front of us. is that right? ms. thompson: yes. ms. fletcher: you also talked a little bit about the poll watchers. i understand in this last legislative session that texas passed what's called constitutional carry. can poll watchers carry weapons into the polling places under this legislation? ms. thompson: we are not sure yet. i am not sure. i don't think so but i am not sure. rep. fletcher: another question i had and this is directed at miss perales, mr. roy asked a question. is it fair to say that the voting rights act has been watered down over the years and we need to protect the rights of voters under section five as well as section two? >> yes, it is absolutely true to
say that. he was in accurate in saying that section five was struck down, it was not. texas voters and many others throughout the south have lost an important guarantee of their voting rights, and it needs to be restored as soon as possible. rep fletcher: thank you very much. another thing that we heard several of our colleagues talking about today is in fact some of the very innovative things that happened in houston and harris county, which i have the privilege of representing here in the congress, and some of the extraordinary steps that officials there took to make sure that people could safely exercise their right to vote during the pandemic. some of the things that have been framed as issues of convenience really are issues of access. and from my experience, people across my district voted using these methods for a variety of reasons, and it was all voters who took advantage of these methods.
and our elections administrator testified before the texas legislature in the spring about some additional bills, not this current version of the bill, but a prior iteration, and really explained that some of the critical pieces that are challenging here is forbidding elections offices from telling people about mail-in ballots, about educating voters about their options to access the ballot box. it's a real micromanagement that's kind of contrary to what texas republicans have traditionally identified as a value of theirs. but it also does something, and we heard this from our colleagues today, that you're just kind of requiring some of the same things for people. but i would love to hear from you all have some of the rings -- some of these things that may seem neutral are in fact discriminatory and will have a disproportionate impact on people in the communities that we all represent. i want to turn back, because i think that with -- miss collier
and mr. krause were both not able to answer two questions. i want to give you the time i have remaining to clear up anything that was asked and you did not get a chance to completely answer. >> you will each be given a quick sec to respond. >> thank you so much. just going through the part about the ballots being rejected, there is a provision on page 24 where the ballots will be rejected. there is no parity in criminal penalties. they can get away with, you know, violating the law. and then, the question about, can someone file a complaint? i can but the harm has a ready been completed. i've a ready been deterred and disenfranchised by the time i can file a complaint. i really have a whole bunch of measures in here that need to be addressed that they now
recognize and so, this is further evidence that they have not fully vetted the provisions of this bill. >> ok. >> i would simply add in one minute, less than one minute, to representative donald, the section you're looking for in the bill you are reading a section 5.10, in which the number provided by the mail-in voting has to match the number on file with the registrar the last thing i would like to mention, just to emphasize, this bill has nothing to do with voter id at the polls. however, since representative fallon stressed so much that he wanted things to be truthful, i need to correct them. he said there was no voter id in 2008, there was. he said the 2011 voter id bill did not depress turnout. it must be pointed out the 2011 voter id bill was struck down as racially discriminatory by a federal court, and was not used
in the 2020 election. even though this bill is not about folder eddie -- voter id, it's important for us to remember that the voter id laws passed by texas within the last decade was racially discriminatory. >> ok, thank you very much. is mr. comer back? where is he? >> i do not believe that he is back in. [indiscernible] people are doing, as constitutionally required, during that duty also -- doing that duty also. >> of course. i don't know whether mr. davis is online with us yet. i believe we are still on the second vote, if that's right. why don't we do this, we will take the remaining members, as
we have committed to them. we will not otherwise have time for all five witnesses to say a word of closing. a couple have not spoken in a while, so why don't we give each witness a minute to give your closing now. and if you don't mind, we will come back to you for further questioning. mr. bernal, why don't we start with you. mr. bernal: thank you. and again, thank you for having us. in closing, it's important to point out that we have exchanged a lot a platitudes here but we have not had a substantive debate about the actual components of the bill. nobody wants to talk about the legality and the pieces about bipartisan poll watchers. no one wants to defend the piece about voter assistance. we had an exchange or somebody accused us of being incorrect and we later found we were correct. we can talk back and forth about our sort of hashtag messaging
but we have not had a substantive debate at large about the bill. because when we do, people see that we are right. we haven't had it in the statehouse -- had it. in the statehouse, we tried to have it. the substance of the bill, the actual pieces, not the spirit, but the actual nuts and bolts of the bill matter. and when we do that, it is clear what the bill aims to in the face of absolutely nothing to justify it. >> thank you. the devil is indeed in the details. >> and fairness -- in fairness, and i know fair is on my side or your side, who cares? but i would like to engage the gentleman for 30 seconds. >> ok, take 30 seconds. >> in my opinion, this partisan is a mailing that goes out that says ask for a ballot. is that what this is in reference to? it is to me. should they not allow anyone to
mail out anything? -- anything about requesting an early about? -- an early ballot. you are talking about partisan politics engaged in the election process. mr. bernal: i am talking about the details of the bill. >> we are. and what that is about is the legality for a party, political party, to mail out to someone requesting an early ballot. >> would that be allowed under the new legislation? mr. bernal: in limited circumstances, it would. for the most part, they are eliminating the ability to send someone an application. it's an application, not a ballot. > it is an application. mr. bernal: you still have to qualify for the ballot. just because you get the application doesn't mean you get to vote by mail. >> what's the partisan? what act would happen that you don't like? mr. bernal: excuse me?
>> what act would happen that is political that you oppose? mr. bernal: ok -- >> you give an answer and then we will go to mr. vesey. mr. bernal: can i respond? voting is a right and not a privilege. and if you limit the ability for people to access the ballot -- >> we are talking about partisan activity. >> i am going to cut it off. mr. vesey, who represents houston, i believe? >> it's north texas. >> north texas. has been with us today. you are recognized for your five minutes of questioning. >> mr. chairman, thank you for much. i am not on the committee. i appreciate the chairman allowing me the opportunity. i represent fort worth and dallas. nicole collier, she is my
neighbor, and my state representative and i appreciate her presence here today. i just want to really think my colleagues -- thank my colleagues and my friends, current state legislators, for really being courageous to take the time to be here. i know all of you are from different districts and have all sorts of political challenges. the fact that you took the time to come here to stand up for voting rights in this country really means a lot. that was one of the reasons why i started the congressional voting rights caucus. i am the chair of the congressional voting rights caucus in the house of representatives and started because i knew that we were going to have some trouble to time just because of a lot of the pretty blatant voter suppression attempts that i saw when i was in the legislature, including a group that came to testify that people should be allowed to record people with cell phones while they vote. just absolutely ridiculous that
we are still having to live that way. i wanted to ask, i think representative cardy, there has been a lot of talk and discussion about these rules and the fact that these brave taxes are breaking corm to come here -- breaking corm to come here -- quorum to come here. then he tenant governor david dewhurst said that redistricting and voter id were so important, so important that they were going to break the rules and change them, the 2/3 rule in the senate, the filibuster rule, that they were going to change the rules instead of working with the other side so they could get the votes needed to pass redistricting and to pass
voter id. was he ok with the republicans breaking the rules at that point? >> i am still here. it's good to see you again. so, i don't believe that was lieutenant governor dewhurst. >> when i was there, it was dewhurst. he permanently changed the filibuster rule. were you ok with it then? >> i wasn't in office then. frankly, i was a fan then and a fan now of the 2/3 role. >> were you -- rule. >> right now, we would not even be having these problems if the rule was in place. >> may i answer the question? again, before my time. but as you described it, it sounds to me that dewhurst, that they changed their rules, which we do every session, we adopt in the house are rules.
they did act under the letter of their lock. -- law. >> but you have a problem with representative thompson and the other democratic legislators? i don't get the double standard. >> i am in favor of them following the rules. >> they are following the rules right now. >> [indiscernible] >> i want to ask representative thompson something. i wanted to ask you this closing, i don't know if you've seen the movie "birth of a nation" or not. it's a terrible movie. one of the things we have a hard time expanding to some of our white colleagues is how racism is normalized. we are having this big debate over critical race theory. how racism is normalized in
society. you have to see this movie to understand how people that were liberal and conservative during that time, our colleague's grandparents and great-grandparents, believed these crazy stories and tales about black people committing voter fraud. we are starting to hear these same stories and these same tales today. you had one of your colleagues in the statehouse that had a map that was showing here is where the voter fraud takes place. i don't remember if you -- i don't know if you remember seeing that video. he was playing the black precinct. there was absolutely zero evidence of any voter fraud that was taking place. it was pure stereotyping. when you see this sort of stereotyping in 2021, ms. thompson, because you have seen jim crow end, and to get to where we are now, when you see this same sort of racial
stereotyping taking place today, in 2021, that took place in a dw griffith film in 1915, how does that make you feel? >> the time of the gentleman has expired. thank you to the jomini from dallas-fort worth and the witness may answer the question. ms. thompson: it makes me feel like we are not going to ever stop having to deal with the past and have to continue to keep fighting the past. and cap progress further than the past and my children will never get an opportunity, nor their children, to be able to live in society and be treated as an american and respected as an american and have an opportunity and a right to be able to have a voice in their democracy, a right that we are guaranteed under the constitution. in addition, to feel as though that they are real citizens of this country. the only country that they have
been born in and they know about. that's how i feel. >> again, thank you to the gentleman from dallas-fort worth. ms. thompson, thank you. mr. davis, who is our final representative, is now on zoom. representative davis, you are recognized for your five months of questioning. rep. davis: thank you very much, mr. chairman, for calling this very important hearing. i certainly want to thank all of our witnesses, especially those who came all the way from texas, and i don't really care how they got there, whether it was by plane, train, even if they had to walk, i think they would have been there just the same. i thank them for taking their time and for coming. as a matter of fact, i called them i and -- i called them my
heroes and sheros. dr. king was fond of saying that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. and so, even though we have been talking about texas, but there are many places throughout the country where there are efforts to suppress, deny, delay, and take away the rights of people to vote. and certainly not to enhance them, which is what it seems like we really ought to be doing, is trying to make it easier for people to participate in public decision-making. you know, after republicans failed to pass these voter registration restrictions during
the regular legislative session, governor abbott called a special session to try to ram through these antidemocratic measures. on the texas law, the government must submit for these special sessions by specifying what issues lawmakers should consider. there were 11 items on the governor's agenda, which he released less than a day before the special session began. he called these priority items that will keep texas "on a path to prosperity." i think we have a slide that might show those. if we do, can we have the slide? we won't worry about it at the moment. governor abbott had some other
things -- there we are. you can see governor abbott has other things on his mind beyond just voter suppression. he also forced -- focused on banning transgender student athletes from school sports, and on curtailing discussions of racism in texas classrooms, and on further restricting a woman's right to choose. but you know what is not included on this list? there is nothing on this list about solving the problems with texas' electrical grid that caused widespread power outages during winter storms this year. and i think we have a slide that would show some of that. over 200 people died. an investigation by nbc news,
texas tribune blamed the power failures for unprecedented wave of carbon monoxide poisoning. the committee -- our subcommittee on environment is currently investigating these failures. representative collier, what was your reaction to governor abbott's failure to include further action on the electrical grid for the session that he called? ms. collier: great question. it was a missed opportunity for the state legislature to actually take action to provide the needed infrastructure and information and backing that texans need. we have texans now who are still conserving energy, and so we have not fully answered the call to provide necessary resources for texans when it comes down to our power grid.
we need to reinforce our power grid. we have so many other things that we could be focusing on. the governor not only failed to put on the power grid, but he also defunded the legislature in retribution to the quorum break. now, 2100 state employees who work for the texas legislature and the legislative branch will be without health insurance in a state that already has the highest number of uninsured texans. unless the governor takes action, we will continue to see the erosion of humanity in the state. rep. davis: thank you. you cited systemic failures that led to these outages, including -- >> mr. davis, forgive me. your time has expired. i am afraid we will have to cut it off there, but i invite you to continue that line of questioning in written questions to the witnesses, if we could.
rep. davis: thank you, mr. chairman. i yield back. >> thank you, mr. davis. what i would like to do is to give 30 seconds for any closing thoughts. miss collier, did you have something you could do with 30 seconds? >> >> you are too stupid to go down like any other person in america. but not you. that is how stupid and how big a failure the american is. >> mr. chairman, i don't know who that is coming from, but that is offensive. >> thank you. it was a call made to my government state office. >> ma'am, i can put those up
also. i don't think it is appropriate -- [crosstalk] >> that is inappropriate, mr. chairman. >> you are recognized for your 30 seconds, mr. sessions. mr. sessions: i want to thank the witnesses that were here today. i would personally like to meet with them. i have no say in granting this out, but the difference between the truths on both sides and reality in the middle is that there was a lot on the side. that is very simple. texas jim crow laws took place by democrats until literally the year 2000. and it was a two party system that changed what is occurring. a two party system. and yet our witnesses are here to go to one party rule. i don't think that's what makes
america great. i think they should understand that. i think it is a constitution. i think it is a supreme court. and one party rule would overrule everybody, including the supreme court. they would overrule everything except political consideration as opposed to the law. i would ask you rethink what you are doing. i want to thank you for being here. i would sincerely like to find the differences between those that we have. i would encourage you to please contact me to do that. mr. chairman, i want to thank you. >> mr. thompson, did you have anything you wanted to say in closing? >> we have differences, but reasonable minds can differ. i'm ready to work with you, brother. mr. chairman, if you will just give me a moment. i want to thank you for this
meeting. i want to say i'm hoping during my lifetime that i don't have to keep struggling with the past and can protect the rights of my constituents to vote. the president 56 years ago had enough integrity to give us a federal answer to the struggles of voting. i'm hoping this congress will do the same for us. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, chairman. i want to thank you for your courtesy of having us in. there was a statement made about somehow this bill makes it a crime to encourage people to vote. that is a falsehood. i do not understand the hyperbole that surrounds this bill. this is a good bill. take the time to read it. i did not hear what i heard today in the entire time i served in the select committee.
nobody came forward and said i was deprived my opportunity to vote. if you want to vote in texas, if you register and are eligible, you get to vote in texas. we had a record turnout this last election cycle. one congressman said there is no evidence of widespread panic. >> get to your final point, if you would. >> there is no evidence of widespread fraud in texas. the difference is there is nothing we can do to stop lightning strikes. we can stop election fraud. we have to have zero tolerance for election fraud in this country. >> thank you very much. i am going to excuse myself to go vote. i am asking conger's woman norton to take over for me. -- asking congresswoman norton to take over for me. our nation was started with the consent of the governed at the same time it was founded with lots of efforts to exclude people from voting. we've got to overcome that urge
to exclude people from voting. i commend and thank our colleagues from texas for coming to washington to remind us about what is crucial in our country, making sure everybody's right to vote is protected against every attempt to restrict the franchise, even when it is complex and subtle. i turn it oto congresswoman norton. >> y'all come home. texas needs you. >> i am ready to give my closing. with all due respect to the representative, for whom i have anna norma's amount of respect -- have an enormous amount of respect, this senate bill makes it a crime to encourage a vvoter -- a voter to choose them as an assistor to then go to the polls and sign the oath. so it is a crime.
i want to close by saying there is only one reality here. the reality is in the face of the bills, which anybody can read. the reality is in the changing demographics of texas, largely driven by latino, african-american, and asian-american voters. and when texas restricts voter assistance, and everybody knows that the majority of voters who receive assistance are asian-american and latino, and nobody comes and testifies that these restrictions are necessary or based on anything that happened at the polls. the only rational conclusion we can draw is that this is an attempt at voter suppression. thank you. >> i thank you very much. this hearing has been necessary. the american people needed to know why democrats in texas fled their state. that was so important that we ha
ve held an entire hearing on what you have done. i can only thank you, that your own extraordinary steps have educated the rest of the country on just how important voting is. you have come to the district of columbia, which i represent. the district of columbia does not have the final vote on the house floor. i vote in this committee and i have all the other benefits of being a house member. i have no representation of the people i represent, a number larger than those of two states that have all of their rights. have no votes whatsoever in the