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which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ali noorani w to talk about the biden administration's immigration policies. let's begin with what is happening on the southern border and those attempting to cross or those who want to get apprehended to get into the system of the country in hopes of staying.
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are they tested for covid-19? guest: i was just down there a couple of weeks ago. as individuals are coming to the northern mexico side of the order, many of them are going into shelter facilities that are read wiring covid tests before they actually are able to stay the night. i've visited a facility run by the international organization iom, where if someone is presented with a positive test, they were quarantined in the facility up to 10 days. what we are seeing along the northern mexico boarding -- border is the ability to test people so when folks are entering the united states, they are able to get tested by cdp but then we move them through a process that's orderly and safe and secure and people seek to apply for asylum, they can begin that process. one of the most important things the biden administration has
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done is set up the infrastructure, the logistics and put in place the personnel and partnerships so that the border is secure and number two, managed in a humane way. host: it was reported this week, about 50,000 migrants cross the southern border and have now been released in the united states without a court date. all they they are told to report to an immigration and customs office, instead, 13% have shown so far. where are these people in the country? can they go anywhere in the country and do we know if they have covid-19? guest: in terms of the next step, these individuals, cdp and immigrations customs enforcement needs to have the cassidy to put in place alternatives to detention. those are ankle bracelets so the person can go through a
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community where they have a family member or relationship to pursue their case but they are part of a system. i think this is one of the biggest reasons why there is a continued surge of resources to the border to make sure there is testing and processing that's so important. the biden administration is well aware of these challenges. in terms of vaccination and testing, those pieces are coming into place. host: what is title 42 in which immigrant does this apply to? guest: title 42 our public health that would put into -- that were put into place last spring by the trump administration. it has close the border to a large degree to non-essential travel. that means tourism, day to day business and has led to a lot of business districts along the u.s.-mexico border to struggle. what happens is if an individual
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is presenting family or a single l to ask for asylum, they are being turned around. they are not being detained or sent into the system or formally being deported, they are essentially getting expelled. the title 42 restrictions have been lifted for unaccompanied children so they are put through a process in the states to pursue their asylum case. title 42 has close the border to non-essential travel. the only people that can cross the border are u.s. citizens and legal permanent residents. host: if you are attempting to cross the border, what immigrant gets to stay and put into the process and what type of immigrant is deported immediately? guest: the challenge here to a large degree is the lack of consistency across the border because of the way mexico is
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treating or handling returned migrants. the policy on the u.s. side is that if you are a single adult or a family with children for not of a tender age, your immediately expelled stop some parts of mexico, some states along the u.s.-mexico are refusing to take back non-mexican migrants. those individuals are put into the system on the u.s. side. governors along the mexican side of the border do not have a consistent policy from brownsville to san diego. that leads to some chaos but on the u.s. side of the border, there is consistency of who is allowed to -- into pursue their asylum claims and who is not and by and large, those are single adult which are the majority of apprehensions and family units who do not have children of a tender age. host: let's talk about another part of immigration and that is
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the daca recipients. where are the legal challenges with that right now? what is the latest? guest: in the south district court, a judge ruled the daca program deferred action for childhood arrivals as a program put in place by president obama was put into place illegally. and that the administration did not use the administrative procedures act. what has happened now is because of the ruling, no new applications for daca protections are allowed which means that approximately 81,000 young people who were on the verge of getting protection through daca are out of luck. the other hand, those who have protections under dhaka maybe 800,000 people, those remain in place. the next steps is it is assumed the department of justice will appeal the ruling and it will end up in the fifth circuit to
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hear that case. the fifth circuit is a very conservative circuit staff i think it will be a tough battle but luckily, the daca recipients have an attorney general believes in the contributions of daca recipients and their potential as american citizens in the future. host: tell us what your group does. guest: the national immigration form is a non-partisan immigration reform group to advocate for the value of immigrants and immigration. host: connie is up first in illinois, republican, good morning. caller: good morning. on this immigration coming across that border, border patrol says that the covid is up 900% with the immigrants coming
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across the border. 800 and some of the border patrol have gotten the virus this virus is so deadly, why aren't those immigrants dropping like flies in the desert, making this trip to america? none of the border patrol out of the 800 and some, not one of them has died or democrats would put that out immediately. they don't want us to know what's happening at that border. it is politicized because the only thing joe biden knows his get vaccinated and wear a mask and donald trump did not say that it is a farce.
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host: go ahead. guest: i think it's important that border patrol has the pbe and access of those are on the frontline of the border to protect the nation and making sure people are treated compassionately. i think it's -- that's why it's important that the partnerships in place on the u.s. and mexico side whether it's local governments or nonprofit organization so that people are tested and people have access to the vaccine step i was in el paso a couple of weeks ago. i saw with my own eyes how people were being tested as they were coming into shelters on the u.s. side and how they had access to the vaccine stop the infrastructure is in place so let's all make sure we are
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keeping each other safe and healthy. host: here is a text from larry in new york. as a democrat, i am not happy with the border policies in place, it's time to follow the law and shut the door. especially during a pandemic stuff claiming asylum is getting old stuff it should be done at the u.s. embassy at the country of origin. guest: that's an important point. there are couple of things that need to be done. i think the administration needs to be much more clear in terms of communicating how they are securing the border. just yesterday, they released a pretty comprehensive strategy of how they were securing the border and treating migrants compassionately and it laid out efforts in central america, mexico as well as at the u.s.-mexico border. i think the administration needs to clearly communicate their security measures. if you are a victim of persecution because of your religion or political beliefs, your social route, the first
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thing you want to do is get out of the country where you are being persecuted. people should have the opportunity to apply for protection closer to their home in their region but not necessarily in their country. that is the place they are fleeing from for their safety. one program the administration is moving forward with and was started on the radio obama administration's regional processing for refugee applications. let's say somebody needs to flee honduras because the government is coming after them because of their political belief. they should be able to go to southern mexico what a mullet to apply for refugee status. those of the kind of programs that are starting to come into play and we hope will stem the flow of migrants who right now are paying thousands of dollars to try to get to the u.s.-mexico border and apply for asylum here. host: immigrants should all be
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vaccinated before permitted access to our borders and even deportations should be given the vaccine to reduce worldwide impact stop is that legal? guest: it was reported a bit early on in the pandemic is the vaccination rates within our immigration detention facilities. those rates have remained far too low in terms of vaccination rates in over the last year, we have seen high rates of covid-19 and detention facilities. the biden slowly ensuring that vaccines are available to immigrant detainees so the numbers of covid-19 people are beginning to drop in those facilities. if somebody is being held by the u.s. government whether it's part of the prison or detention system, they should be vaccinated as soon as possible. host: port st. lucie, florida, steve is an independent. caller: good morning.
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you can read the book not my idea" and page 59 and find out what the plan is. 10,000 illegals per day and you say you want to put ankle bracelets on these people. that is $100 per month times 30, $30 million for that. and they haven't even been covid tested. i have two cancers, i don't want to do untested vaccines but i cannot believe you wouldn't want to at least make sure these people don't have covid and then you want to go door to door teaching crt? that's crazy, what are you guys doing? guest: i completely agree that we need to be testing people as they enter the country and seeking asylum protection. as you said, we need to make sure that people have access to the vaccine whether they are at
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the border or across the country and there is simple -- some important outreach efforts physically in immigrant committees of people have access to the vaccines and any information to answer their questions. you also bring up an important point in terms of the folks who are entering. you talk to a restaurant owner never a landscaper or a farmer was their biggest challenge in their biggest challenge is finding people to do the work. that way the rest of us can go on vacation and the rest of us can have food on our table. one of the most important things that we have to address for immigration is updating error legal immigration so that people can into the country through a process and not have to pay smugglers thousands of dollars to try to get to the border and ask for asylum protection. our system is the only thing left to replace our antiquated and dysfunctional legal system.
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i think republicans and democrats can update the legal immigration to ensure that people have a process to go through in order to into the country. host: i want to you get your discussion -- your opinion on a discussion i capitol hill yesterday. senator mitt romney asked the homeland security secretary weather by an administration decided to halt construction of the border wall between the u.s. and mexico. take a listen. [video clip] >> as senator, i know we will not agree on this issue but the decision with respect to the border wall is not a political decision but a substantive one. the 15 billion dollars that was dedicated to the construction of the border wall was ill advised. we can use the governments funds and taxpayers funds more wisely through investment innovation and investment in technology,. >> the great majority of that
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money has already been spent stuff the overwhelming majority and now there is some gaps in what has been sped. president obama's administration expanded the border barrier. i am in favor of technology but as long as we have paid for it and have contracts to complete the wall, i simply cannot understand any logical reason not to complete it. i am not a severe partisan to attack democrats. this strikes me as being nonsense. i cannot understand this. with regard to investing in root causes, i don't understand what you're referring to. are you suggesting that we should be able to invest to make sure that all of latin america gets rid of their dictators and their corruption, ends violence and if we do that, maybe there will be less people trying to get into the border? that's unrealistic step that's absurd. we cannot even do those things
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domestically let alone around the world. people want to come to this country and they always will. responsible for securing our order. i just don't get why you don't address this in the way that president obama did. please the barrier, use technology and have ice carry out the responsibility of moving people who are here illegally. host: your reaction? guest: we think of border security as far as the risk to americans. the majority of drugs, guns and money are smuggled through ports of entry. those are serious risks to the safety of the american public. we should invest our border security dollars in improving the infrastructure, the technology and personnel at ports of entry where these risks are most present. what happens as a result of those investments is the trade we do with significant levels of
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trade between the u.s. and mexico is facilitated by upgraded ports of entry. if we are working in a world of limited resources, let's make sure we are using those very valuable american taxpayer dollars to invest in the places where we face the greatest risk. i think that senator romney brings up an important point around root causes. i think the american public would agree is that we are faced with a complicated problem in terms of managing migration and staying secure and compassionate . one part of the solution is to really try to address the root causes of migration in central america. i would point to one particular example in honduras. in 2016 in honduras, they began a scourge of the national police where they were to root out corruption of the national police in honduras. they ended up firing or purging
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over 6000 officers in the honduran national police. . as a result, the homicide rate declined by 50%. that's a quality-of-life change for hondurans step out of the trump administration, that program came to an end because the trump administration said we are not interested in trying to improve the quality of life of hondurans. we will treat them cruelly at the border when they asked for protection. i think there are things we can do as a nation to support efforts in central america that have proved test that improve quality of life and improve the safety of central americans which decreases pressure on our view was-mexico border. host: glenn, california, republican. caller: i would like to talk about the census. we have 43 million people in california.
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the cost of 43 million people on our infrastructure. we are in a forever drought was to all we hear is global warming. we are overpopulated. what is the cost it after how many days do we hold the immigrants in a detention center? what is the cost of that and the cost of sending them all over the united states with covid and they won't take the shot which i agree with them. it's not fda approved. i might have already had covid and they might've had immunity already and i agree with that are step host: let's take your point about overpopulation guest: earlier this year, my colleagues wrote a paper that laid out a case that we as a nation have room to grow. there is a number called the old
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age dependency ratio. in essence, it's the ratio of working age adults to retirement age. in 1965, that number was well over 6.5. that number has profited to 3.54% working age adults to retiree. without increasing immigration, we remain on the same trajectory. increasing immigration, that number will plummet step as a result, or nation social security system and other entitlements will suffer. if you are a 55-year-old person wants to retire in 10 or 15 years, and restock dish and retire in a stable and safe way where you have a steady income from socialist ready, we need to increase immigration. we have laid out the case that in order to maintain the current ratio which is 3.54% adults to
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retirees, we need to increase immigration to the united states by approximately 37% which means we would approximate let in 1.30 7 million people per year. i think congress really needs to focus on this issue of getting republicans and democrats together to address our nation's legal immigration system. it's not just a way to ease the pressure at the border but it's really an imperative to address the demo -- to face the disaster we are faced -- facing in the next 10 or 15 years. host: democratic caller, good morning to you. caller: good morning, this gentleman has said so many things and it's hard to do this in one call. in regards to what he just said,
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he said to sustain social security, it looks like we have already got -- let in close to one million people. that is unbelievable being that we had covid going on, that we are looking once again going door to door to make sure of their status and this is not a republican or democrat issue. it's about the security of our border. i don't understand in a pandemic how we are allowing people to come in illegally and when you look at the border, i don't understand the media, they are not covering this. i appreciate that because americans need to be in the know stuff when you look at haitians, honduran, people from all over the world, my question is, why aren't we holding a representatives accountable for
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this in 2022, we need to put everyone out. if you cannot secure our orders for the americans -- for the american people. host: your response? guest: it's important as people come into the order the overwhelming majority of people are being returned. those apprehension numbers are very high numbers not means somebody's getting stopped and turned around. that's an important piece to realize. we are not letting in one million people. we have apprehended one million people in the overall majority of them have been turned around and asked felt back to mexico. i want to make sure i'm clear this. as people are put through a system, they are being tested step i saw this when my -- with my own eyes in el paso last week and people had direct -- direct access to vaccines.
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across the country, their organizations and i was in california and set them with folks working with farmworkers. we had incredibly innovative strategies to ensure the arm workers at access to the information they needed and they can get their questions answered regarding covid-19 and the vaccine and ultimately have exits of the vaccine itself. steps are being wouldn't place and we have to think about what is it our nation's interests? we need to be safe and secure and make sure people are getting tested and make sure the border is secure better nations interest is having a workforce that's growing infantry meeting and making sure all of his and prosper all of us can live to her greatest potential. host: mary ellen in new jersey, independent caller. caller: good morning. as i listen to all of this, all i can say is this country is in a terrible, terrible mess stuff
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joe biden is responsible. as soon as he became president, he said 08, you have a new president now and you can, over. he invited all these immigrants over here, all these illegals. he should be held responsible. it's at the expense of the taxpayer. they concentrate more on these illegals and spend tax dollars on these people, they rehab people over here as people here who need help. host: is resident biden to blame? did he invite illegal immigration at our border? guest: over the course of the trump administration, whenever president trump said he would close the border, the cartel stepped in and they said give us
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$6,000 or $10,000 and we will get you to the border. in 2019, we saw a record numbers of individuals coming to the border to ask for protection. the numbers of family units coming to the u.s. mexico border in 2019 are greater than what we have seen this year. my point is that the only people who are winning because we have a broken and antiquated immigration system is organized crime. we have outsourced our immigration system to human smugglers for exploiting people or taking advantage of people and killing people who are stuck and stranded along the u.s.-mexico border in northern mexico. the way to dismantle the cartels is address the root cause issues to root out corruption. to create legal pathways for those to seek asylum or at our
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border or by having legal immigration orders or work for people so they can go three process that's legal and not putting their lives in the hands of the cartel. one of the greatest opportunities for us as a nation in the short term is to see dreamers and farmworkers who have contributed so much where nation in spite of being undocumented. in fact, for dreamers and temporary protective status recipients, if they were to become citizens, we would see in in recent of 149 alien dollars per year in terms of spending power which would lead to 39 billion dollars per year increased annual tax revenue at a state and federal level. those of the types of solutions we should be thinking about. host: how do poor people from
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poor areas scrape of thousands of dollars for these cartels to bring them across the border? guest: that's an important question. a couple of years ago, i was in honduras and i was in the coffee highlands of honduras sitting down with farmers. i asked the same question. the folks who have been able to scrape together $10,000. i met with a young man named carlos who was a small coffee farmer in honduras and he was about to lose his farm because of plummeting coffee bean prices and corruption in the country at large. i have just enough money to scrape together to try to get to the u.s. to ask for protection. or i could invest that money in honduras and try to improve my life here. he knew that trip to the u.s.-mexico border wasn't to be doubly risky and dangerous and
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had a low chance of getting into the u.s.. he was ultimately returned. he decided that was a better chance of prosperity and test for his family then remaining in honduras. what we see is that individuals for not facing extreme poverty but just have justin of resources, they are taking the resources and going to the cartels which is terrible for them, terrible for the country and terrible for us. as long as we have a broken immigration system, it's great for the cartels. host: randall's town, maryland, democratic caller. caller: that lady from new jersey is a typical brainwashed trump loving liar. it's funny because the wall was just a mistake. people like her are the kind that were dumb enough to think
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that mexico would pay for it most of are they being vaccinated when they come over? to me, that's the perfect time to do it. i think you are doing a good job and thanks a lot. guest: on the u.s. side of the border, we are seeing a surge of vaccines to the u.s. side of the u.s. mexico border. that means the organizations were helping people once they cross, they can provide those vaccine. it would be great to see similar search of vaccines in northern mexico. over the last couple of days, i saw some news reports out of mexico where they were marking higher vaccination rates. it's a country without a ton of resources. there is more that the u.s. can move vaccines into mexico and that helps our largest and
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closest neighbor. it serves their interest as well as ours. i think this is a logistic challenge in education challenge but we all have to live up to it. when i was in el paso, i saw how organizations were stepping into the breach and ensuring people were getting tested and getting vaccinated. host: want to read this text from joel in phoenix. what is the long-term plan of the biden administration to stop the daily flow of hundreds of illegal immigrants from all over the world and why is it taking so long to stop the influx? guest: just yesterday, the biden administration released a blueprint or strategy to manage migration from central america. there were a number of strategies, everything from helping economies get back up on their feet and rooting out,
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beginning to root out corruption. the vice president wasn't central america couple of months ago and one of the most important thing she announced was the establishment of an anticorruption joint task force between the justice department and the state department to start to focus on the bad players and the corrupt players who were lording over this country and just ruining the quality of life are so many people faced with the difficult decision of leaving and putting their lives in the hands of the cartels. the strategy also included the measures at the u.s.-mexico border to keep the nation secure. i think the administration has done a lot of things over six months and has career plans ahead but we also face a fast-changing world. with the political strife in cuba and haiti, we very well could see an increase in
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migration from haiti and cuba. i would imagine we will see increased numbers of refugees from afghanistan moving into europe are asking for protection of other countries. the world is a fast-changing place. we is the most powerful nation in the world, not just a moral responsibility but i would argue that we have a vision we can share with the world that we are a nation that's safe and secure but can also be a beacon of hope and refuge for folks around the world that also serves our national interests. host: walter in meridian, mississippi, republican, welcome to the conversation. caller: when biden was inaugurated, he laid his hand on the bible and said he would enforce all our laws.
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he's not enforcing the law. they have a law on the books about immigration. if he is enforcing the laws, why doesn't the congress make him enforce the laws? host: i will leave it there to get a response. guest: one of the most things in terms of enforcing immigration laws is to do it in a way that prioritizes valuable law enforcement resources. one of the things we're looking forward to from the biden administration is what are their enforcement priorities? we think their enforcement priority should be public safety risks, the folks who were smuggling drugs, guns and money into the country. the phone for violent criminals, those are individuals who nobody wants in their neighborhood whether you're an immigrant or u.n. your family have been here for generations. we need to make sure we are prioritizing our valuable law enforcement resources of those
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safety and security risks. that's one thing i think the obama administration did very well and the trump administration waste a lot of taxpayer dollars on pursuing folks who were not public safety threats stuff we saw the restaurant owners in the midwest or the south where nobody realized they were undocumented but were supported by the trump administration. that was not serving a national interest. host: the house is coming
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