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rights, osnos has not written a memoir so much as a report from the front, make that, many friends. we talk with him about his time in vietnam and the soviet union, among other things. announcer: reporter, editor, publisher, peter odnos on this episode of took notes plus. listen to it wherever you get your podcasts. announcer: next, a look at the appropriations process for 2022 federals rending -- spending with journalist from cq roll call. they talk about funding proposals from defense and u.s. capitol security and the impact of earmarks. this is just under one hour. >> welcome everyone to the webinar today on appropriation 2021. where do we go from here? i am your moderator, editor of
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>> this conversation is recorded on the record an open to the press we will share the recording later this week and we highly encourage you to submit your questions into the q&a box at the bottom of the window throughout the webinar. and i would like to begin her q&a welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> jen, you are covering the appropriations on rollcall so where do things stand right now with the appropriations bills? >> there has began a lot more action house and the senate. the house appropriations committee has released all fiscal 2022 spending bills and has a committee market today with the end of this week that the senate has not yet got
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going and then to markup some of that we don't have any type of official that if that can be or would be an agreement on and spending levels. and with the appropriations bill and that which they have not gotten yet. >> and then to use that fiscal spending for racial gender equality. and then to allocate the money to achieve those goals. and then to see from house democrats appropriations committee.
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you can see those levels and to talk about all those levels trying to address the's issues but just to highlight a couple right now there is about 100 million with job schools and businesses and democrats would get million in additional funding with housing and urban development their housing programs. for what they have produced voting rights and gun violence through several policy initiatives and a couple of
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those democrats have 5 million for the misconduct registry. including white supremacist extremism. and then with that environment bill and the energy water appropriations bill. if it doesn't include a specific line item and then to address the climate as i was talking to my colleagues yesterday. is there were funding initiative in the energy water bill. and then we can have been there for hours and days. >> how much do the house bills
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track that proposal that president biden has put forward? >> when you have the same party in power as you do in the white house it can track that budget request closely and hundreds of pages with the appropriations bill that the big priorities of the biden administration that they want to accomplish in the annual government spending bill. >> you are a defense expert and republicans are annoyed we only have a small increase for the defense that doesn't even track inflation.
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>> it will be a being issue to slow and complicate the debate i would suggest it will be the biggest issue on which the two parties will disagree. depending how you describe defense spending that encompasses all natural defense programs and then the defense department shared 715 billion of biden's request in the subcommittee have a smaller share because they'll have military construction so those are the dollar amounts we are talking about. one.6 percent increase over the current level. or it would be if enacted. versus on the left a 10 percent decrease they had a vote on that last year which
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did not go well for the liberals and to the read write people like senator inhofe who chairs the committee would like to see at least a 3 percent annual increase or three or 5 percent of what he is advocating so biden hasn't gone the way the liberals want the not quite as high as inhofe once but it would definitely be a dispute still have to figure out the total amount of discretionary spending and all the subcommittee allocations in the senate so it will be a big dispute they are that i should point out that the amount of spidey spending biden is proposing for defense is the largest amount since world war ii of inflation adjusted terms except for the height of the
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iraq and afghanistan wars is not a small budget but has grown since 9/11 in those caps which are gone as of this year that they are limited defense and non-defense spending so this is an epic level of spending if you have a three through 5 percent increase per year come in about ten years you have about 1 trillion-dollar defense budget. at matters enormously what they do this year because it sets a baseline and expectations and if it would continue to have a serious fiscal impact. >> the defense budget is far and away the largest of the 12. even a small percentage increase, were talking about big dollars. that the minority leader
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professed his annoyance with biden's proposal pretty regularly on the senate floor this year. can i get to the point where it passes the deadline passed september quick. >> i think it will absolutely. one of the safest bets in washington is we will have a continuing resolution every year. i'm guessing jennifer would agree that's extremely likely this year. that's one of the big reasons republicans will day again in their heels on the total amount of money. >> and they will want to spend more money. >> certain categories of defense spending republicans tend to favor more aggressively than others missile-defense is one. shipbuilding to a larger extent seems they push hard but it is amazing that that consensus is where the
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increases should come the members of the appropriation our services committee tend to skier torres procurement spending. with established constituencies with people have high paying jobs performing this work. that's for you have a lot of political support house appropriations defense bill we just got in the last few days where they would increase procurement by one.7 percent and decrease in research and development accounts. so overall there is a lot of consensus where they stand the money things like medical research. every single year they had $1 billion for medical
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research it is not requested but by the pentagon. the national guard reserve and equipment account about $1 billion every single year not requested by the defense department they get a lot of money for the f-35 fighter jets for $2 billion per year on average the last seven years that's a staggering amount of money above what was requested but this year they did not add that. we will see if it changes going forward. >> there was a report out today the house appropriations committee issued their report on the spending bill they will consider this week so i can you tell us about what was in the report. >> first of all talking about racial equity and gender equity we see those handprints
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all over the defense still as well maybe of demanding reports from the pentagon like the growth is extremism that is not clear but definitely there are elements of extremism in the ranks and those violent extremist groups seek to recruit from the military. they want to know about racial equity and the fact minorities make up such a large amount of the defense department's ranks but if you look at the echelon it's very difficult to find. climate change is another. they say the defense department spent $8 billion trying to deal with the impact of climate change and they want to know more. sexual assault is another issue that is a big concern
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for both parties that democrats in particular with the chair of the defense spending is a big concern of hers they are adding $54 million for sexual assault provision and response. that is a big issue. afghanistan is another big issue they expressed serious concerns. they don't say it that they are concerned we're not doing enough or fast enough to deal with interpreters with the other afghans who have helped us and their lives may now be in jeopardy since we are almost out of there. they are concerned how the military can monitor things that they start to come unraveled. talking about over the horizon capabilities but the committee says there's not much clarity
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and what that means. they are definitely reflected a lot of concern about afghanistan. also we are funding this but it's not over. who knows how it will turnout and the effect it will have on the defense budget. >> that afghanistan issue cuts through on both parties the deadline is september 11 so we may know how things are going in afghanistan for a big development and the taliban moves to take over the country. care that have an effect? could we see appropriators pushing back like a humanitarian catastrophe? >> yes.
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politically it's very difficult. once you have extracted even with september 11 with the official deadline biden said they will be out by the end of august but any all reality there almost all out now. today the commander in afghanistan officially relinquished his command and turned it over to head of central command who will oversee from tampa florida. so it is a small force to protect in kabul. but also the contractors who help maintain the aircraft in particular with the military they will almost all the out of there also. then the taliban made extraordinary gains recently controlling 80 percent of the territory.
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they still don't have major capital like kabul that they are definitely moving it just seems like it's a matter of time but not whether they will be a conflict after government will fall but when. and if the united states were do something to return. it's pretty hard when she had pulled out to turn around and go back in especially for president biden who has invested so much political capital in this decision. >> i would like to remind our listeners to submit your questions he will go to them at the end of the webinar. another sticking point is language related to federal funding for abortion. what do the democrats want and how will that affect the process? >> it will be figuring out one
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of the bigger debates between republicans and democrats and then on the house floor later this month. and as democrats push to remove the hide amendment from the education funding bill and in prohibition in some form or another with a spending bill since 1976. that prevents federal funding for abortion services. this is something they have been advocating to remove for quite some time. so president biden said he supported that as it the current house appropriations
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what she was looking for her current role as chairwoman. so we know the hide amendment as well as several others not just the education spending bill that others as well to have a various impact for abortion services so that would be one of those really big so we heard this morning and the subcommittee markup that they will offer an amendment later this week and then to add those provisions back into the bill but also try to get that later this month if it does go to the house floor for debate. we don't yet know what the appropriations committee may
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or may not do with the hide amendment. we know that the democrat marie supports removing the hide amendment from the bill. but senator manchin has indicated he is not supportive of removing the hide amendment and that even is dividing republicans and democrats. and then knowing that they need that to move bills on the floor and then i guess allowing in this case to support that bill but i don't think a lot of democrats will
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be particularly happy about that. >> looking at two particular bills that are expected to be controversial, first is the homeland security bill congress has had a lot of trouble with it over recent years there are disputes over border security and immigration enforcement in the interior of the country. the subcommittee chair in the house says she does not expect her bill to get to the floor that contradicts from the majority leader lawyer who says he wants to move all the bills this month. >> the original goal is to move to the house for before the end of july that although there is no official change in that position but he did note to my colleagues that before the fourth of july break it could be challenging to get
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all on the house floor to get the house democrats to vet the bills. we don't expect much if any for support on the house floor democratic leaders really need to make sure any spending bills that they challenge them very well during the trump administration so then they run into allied of conflicts but for republicans as well so obviously taking steps to rollback but there is still a lot of provisions in here that
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are challenging from a policy standpoint as well. but the biggest issue to get tripped up on is to make sure those provisions of customs enforcement and border protection of how moderate democrats can support this is exactly from the last two years from the homeland security spending bill they did not have enough support from various members in the conference to advance that and based on issues among the moderate and progressive democrats in the house but you find the issues predominantly those restrictions of customs
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and that chairwoman she indicated she has been talking a lot with house democrats and that she hopes that can alleviate some concerns wit immigration at the border and treatment of minors and custody hearing about from republicans and democrats although i hear some concerns there. >> also it is a supplement appropriations bill for capital security. the house has passed a measure stemming from the january 6 right at the capital now we
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have heard the capital police are running out of funding. i think republicans have countered with a much smaller bill where does that stand quick. >> these negotiations have been fraught from the beginning with one.$9 billion supplemental they did so without republican backing and had some issues with the democratic members as well. and with that link the amount of time and with the progressive democrats and then that's the only way the bill could clear the house floor the senate negotiations to advance the support so we heard criticism they have not
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found a willing partner and that seems to be countered a bit by the draft dated june 29 and mostly to reimburse the national guard and all the cost associated with that national guard troops to the capital. and then to hear from various defense officials like the secretary of defense as well as operational maintenance so republicans and democrats are outlined on so we also seem to
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be relatively aligned on some accounts but not all accounts but not officially capital police the democrats on the house appropriations committee of course of a lot of continuing security concerns around the capital and that proposal at 15 million for the architect at the capital and a security throughout the complex so at the earliest with those agreements in the senate. we heard that the draft circulated of the proposal mentioning issues related to
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covid-19 and is also mentioning something earlier with afghan nationals to help us military in the biden administration's effort to make sure they are securely outside afghanistan. that is something to be into the supplemental. we expect to see the lazy draft at some point this week he drafted a policy difference between a and the democrats with the senator lazy draft but the bill but that is that it's not the national guard funding that they need to
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readjust. >> another bill to watch is the legislative branch bill there has been on modernization committee at work in the house making recommendations how to make the house function more effectively one of the recommendations for example is to increase the pay. there is a lot of staff turnover. it tends to be junior so the thinking is that members turn to lobbyists and experts for or businesses for expertise so it seems to make good sense the legislative branch would pay for that to be implemented. >> it is an interesting process to follow pretty much everything it does that what
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they produced is bipartisan. so those funding of the elements is that with any appropriations process so one of the areas that this is an issue that both parties have been talking about for quite some time just walking the halls if most people are vaccinated. it is pretty obvious with the environment for the most part but it is the pay it is very costly in addition to just buying groceries. this is one area a lot of members need to work on. so the way that you were do this with the defense spending
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bill and with basic budgets for lawmakers so that was the guarantee for each member of the house is in charge of how they break that down. but it is up to the individual house member to decide for that pay our with the workload issues. or potentially funding for other items that are allowed. with increase for staff but it would allow members some breathing room in the budget to do that. >> i want to ask you both for
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your predictions of how this moves forward. typically congress has not been able to get the bills passed in recent years or decades ending up in the omnibus measure even with the continuing resolution. so what are the chances much gets done by the deadline in september will be see a continuing resolution? is there a chance of a government shutdown? >> i think we will have a continuing resolution it would be a surprise if we didn't and harmony broke out. all the conflicts that jen just outlined suggested it would be very difficult for them to resolve. even to get it out of the house let alone with them in the senate. i was wondering myself this
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it's difficult to get the nondefense bills to the floor and what does that mean for defense? democrats could get it passed and check it off the list and with the defense fill in their back pocket. so since then i'm not sure this will play out that that could make the defense bill hostage to other nondefense issues. that we've already talked about the debate on the top line with the total amount of money defense versus nondefense. i forget how many years in a row we've had the cr so it is the norm. so is the omnibus.
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i think it's failsafe to defy a tradition if we broke with that pattern. i think it will happen. the government shutdown? i don't know the odds of that. and with the defendants total i give a prediction. there will be a compromise that will go up a little bit more think he would be slightly higher i would be very surprised if he gets up to that level. but over the years that the strength of the industry to get what they want on capitol hill. i would not that against them. >> with that political dynamic
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what strikes me is that we are operating on spending levels enacted during the trump presidency in a continuing resolution and democrats i think want to refine from that. >> the concern for the most part so that is something that the vice-chairman. but to listen on spending issues or how they will play out throughout the year and then make those comments to reporters and interviews and then those markups and house appropriations with that
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discretionary spending level and then to put all of that other restrictions and provisions back into the spending bill so republicans are pretty early on in the process at least they have been very clear about the areas they went to deal on so i don't necessarily see a whole lot challenges with the party getting to that bipartisan level i think the one thing i'm happy to hear with the shutdown are not is and not to be in annual
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spending bills so there is compromising or middleground there is to protect the decades-old agreements so then to get going those are the big issues i will be watching i absolutely think all the discretionary budget and up in a continuing resolution with the friday before things giving before they leave for the december break and then it motivates people little bit so i think whether or not if that is the last cr for the year?
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i think there is a lot of other issues that the party is focused on right now so with the infrastructure and then that will determine congressional leaders and the administration officials to negotiate. >> please enter in the box at the bottom of the screen. and then to interplay the fiscal 22 budget resolution which is the key to the reconciliation process that democrats are planning to pass
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the biden agenda for infrastructure of childcare or pre- community college efforts to combat climate change and all of these things that was laid out earlier this year part of the 4 trillion-dollar agenda but that you have the interplay with big money so what is your assessment of that? will we know soon what can be included in reconciliation? >> yes and no. so when we see the democratic budget resolution over the next week or two for the committees to have various
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proposals so we can get a sense of what they spend on the reconciliation bill but we really cannot get a good sense of the policy in the reconciliation bill access based on what we have already heard from the biden administration from their legislative priorities. but to know exactly what that casework is until the bill is reported and marked up by the committee that would be early september. >> and my listeners have to do with supply chain issue the
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senate passed a bill earlier this year dealing with competition in china with the national science foundation with some conductor research and production. but has the on that so how much does covid and the aftermath way over the appropriation password? people continue to have getting goods it's very easy to get now there are months long delays because errors difficulty to get products to the united states is that coming up bad all quick. >> this did not jump out at me
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from the house appropriations defense report but definitely it jumped out from a recent reprogramming that was sent over at four.$3 billion for the prior-year appropriations and covid was sprinkled throughout that. and in interesting ways you didn't just cost them money but say that many in a lot of ways. they spend less money on some training exercises to fly people over a far-flung place for an operation because nobody got on an airplane. so they saved many but then there are scores of different
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places that has had an effect and just new programming request going forward, the obvious way with the enormous impact on the macro budget situation because of the effect of the economy. so much of biden spending proposals are related or reacting to the effects of covid have been. that is not a defense issue but has downstream effects from every federal program. >> we are tracking earmarks after a long hiatus. what is going on? do you think the house will become law and local projects would be funded?
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>> both the house has put out specific guidelines were committee project funding or whatever lawmaker you are talking to at the time feels like using. 's we have seen a lot of information come out in terms of funding and how that works its way to the appropriations bill not all are eligible for earmarks. and the senate appropriations committee do the same thing to be eligible for earmarks and
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in the earmarks of the for-profit entities with some of the's projects that they make their way for the for-profit entities so there is a difference between the house and the senate. also the difference because each house member is no such feeling for senators and the earmarks funding with the appropriations bill. that those are two different ways. so so far they do feel it has been very transparent. has spoken to any republican appropriators the past couple of weeks.
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they have said in the first year they have to have learning experiences in the house appropriations committee is much further along so at this point in time so what it may get into like a said earlier it has not released any official markup schedule yet so we don't know if we will see bills in the back channel before the august recess. >> one interesting thing we reported is that it doesn't seem to be affecting the way republicans vote on the house side. republicans have gotten the earmark approved.
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that's one of the major selling points with the passage of legislation. is that now a dead letter? >> so to get this going why they are appreciative and with the spending bills and to vote for these bills in the current committee based on the bigger issues like the defense spending for abortion and as we are hearing from republican so far this will cause a little bit of frustration among democrats to say that
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the republican votes against the spending bills and then the top democrat and then to say that she believes they come to their senses. so the spending bills even working in good faith that that being said the houses in control and it does tend to go against so that in itself isn't worthy. >> we had questions on to other pending bills and just
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the question being what is the prognosis are there any serious hangups? >> that it tends to be less controversial i have not heard about any big controversies either. there will be the overall questions as part of the defense department so it is part of the debate on the total amount of money versus nondefense so that will definitely be impacted by that. a quick thought on the earmarks they don't call the earmarks but they still exist.
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the committee wants to add $10 million for a certain number of helicopters in a members district effectively it is an earmark even if it doesn't meet the definition congress has set forth. so you have to step back and recognize the practice has never really stopped it has just been redefined. >> and to make the policy changes in healthcare like drug pricing or changes to obama care is that likely to be something appropriators would deal with or is that part of the broader reconciliation site? >> and those that a large
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level but it does sound like there is a lie the discretion with that reconciliation process but i believe it will coalesce that coming off of the pandemic and through the public health issues they had billions in additional funding. and then they need democrats in that bill for additional funding to the nih but those
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of really come to the forefront before the pandemic but that only works on certain issues. so going forward, i am curious to see what they think others can be on funding level particularly with public health going forward or the possibility with the covid-19 and to the economy so particularly in the past and with that nih and with that umbrella. and that is something we can see on with to work its way to
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the process and looking forward to what happens that is identical. >> that that affects the pentagon for preparedness? is that the appropriations type quick. >> yes. what is interesting and it is mind-boggling about the administration's request they cut funding for a pentagon program that funds biological surveillance networks around the world. it is self-interest at work because they want to make sure that they know what diseases the troops may be exposed to around the world. but has also helped everyone in particular pentagon funded lab in thailand to detect the
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first case in china january of last year. the biden administration proposed cutting the program and the report from the defense appropriations subcommittee said no. not a good idea. that is one interesting element. the defense department has been involved in every step of the effort to have the medical research facilities to be extremely involved. it's horrible to think about but this is not the last pandemic. experts have warned there will be more going forward but because human beings are in closer proximity to animal
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diseases because of the spread of human civilization. not a nice thought but what people are thinking about. >> so when is it expiring? when does congress have to deal with it? is it part of the appropriations package? >> that expires the end of july after that the treasury department can use extraordinary measures for the delivery day so either congress takes action or they have a date of default so that option of treasury which has
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never happened in american history the impact not just the domestic economy but the global economy and congress figures out a way. but one of the things the covid-19 funding and uncertainty about going forward and that remains a very wide window we heard from the policy center last week and typically defended by this point when the country just a few weeks out from the expiration and that they would have not to be a default. so they encourage congress to
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act as soon as possible and to get secretary ellen on as well along with the appropriations subcommittee and also urge congress to act as soon as possible. one thing that happened when the house a doctor the budget reginald one - - resolution that lucrative spinoff a bill through the senate but it has to take its own legislation. but then i would be a little bit scared with how much certainty there is going to extraordinary measures into the fall.
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