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the clerk: nominated by the speaker after consultation with the minority leader. mr. mike barnes of florida, chair, for the remainder of the term of mr. david skaggs. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to section 11-b of house resolution 188. the house stands adjourned until 2:00 p.m. on monday next. host: the house set to meet again 2:00 p.m. on monday. "washington journal" continues this friday morning and in this final hour of "washington journal," we are joined by william barber to talk about what he calls the moral movement and moment needed in america today. what is that movement and what is that moment? guest: thank you for having me on.
the poor people's campaign for revival has 42 state correlating committees across the country of more than 300 partners and over 2000 clergymen connected. each of our coordinating committees is chaired by an impacted person of poverty and low wealth. even before the pandemic, the small crisis of america was we have 140 million low income people in this country. that means we have people less than $400 -- you have less than $400 for emergencies and we had the reality of systemic racism that you can measure in many ways that affects black people, brown people, indigenous people, asian people and the collateral damage done to fight people, and
we have millions of people who get up every morning, we had 87 million people uninsured in the country with the greatest medical sciences. we have a situation even before the pandemic where we spend 54 cents of the dollar on the military economy in less than 16 cents on things like infrastructure that we need to spend on, and then the prices of white evangelicalism that suggests these other issues are not symptoms of religion, but the real issue is how we dismiss, dislike, and stand against gay people, people who have had abortions, or particular parties called republicans. and then the pandemic hit.
20 something million out of work, people in poverty, and well billionaires made nearly $1 trillion, so the poor people's campaign said we need a revolution, and there are now over 80 people signed onto saying that if we are serious about healing the nation, there are 14 specific things we need to do to address these five interlocking with systemic racism, poverty, economical devastation, and the false narrative of nationalism, and poverty, wealth is not a personal failure but a policy choice, and if we had living wages, $50 an hour minimum wages, it would take 32 million people out of poverty but if we provided universal health care and guaranteed voting rights and
restored the voting act, we guaranteed affordable housing, if we properly measured poverty and had an infrastructure planned and deficit spending, if we invested in a way that it would come back tenfold, we have actually laid out that morality must be about looking at where the country is putting its resources and who is being benefited? is it does at the top getting more? is it those in the middle being lifted up, or are we lifting from the bottom? we need a reconstruction that will lift from the bottom and end poverty and low wages in america. it is possible in the economy in which we live. host: reverend william barber with us until 9:40 a.m. eastern. democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002.
reverend barbara, the poor people's campaign held a demonstration come monday in washington with the house returning. when it comes to washington and capitol hill, what are the biggest roadblocks on capitol hill to achieving those issues that you just laid out? guest: well, there are several. one of the reasons we are having a season of nonviolent direct action that we launched on june 12 is what we are saying is in this moment, there are things that have to happen. we have to end the filibuster. the filibuster is not a constitution, first of all. it was used to block antislavery and women's suffrage. raising the minimum wage, consumer protection, you can go down the line. there has never been a time that the filibuster has been used to bring people together, and it is a violation of basic majority
rules. it has been used by many times a minority, and second that we need to pass the full john lewis for the people act. notice i did not say the vote or act, but the john lewis right for the people's act, and it would get dark money out of our politics and guaranteed that people had access to early voting and same-day registration. it would make sure that our voting rights were not denied across the board or allowing state legislators to engage and infringe on voting rights. second, we need to be sure that it is not regressive, and we need to pass $15 and a union. $15 living wage. we need -- we have raised the living wage since 2009, $7.25,
there is a county in this country where you can work a minimum wage job and a 40 basic two-bedroom -- and afford a basic two-bedroom living. we have a battle between the chamber of commerce and the constitution. if you look at the way in which the knighted states chamber of commerce and others find so much of our politics, what we have is not just an issue of race but greed. they stand against living wages and voting rights. those are the same people that are anti-expand the right to vote, funding public education, anti-health care, anti-living wages, antiunion. that is a problem. secondly, in this country right now, what we have is a republican party -- my grandfather was a theodore roosevelt and abraham lincoln republican -- that they have been hijacked by an extremist group of people who only want to
care about the corporate interest and ruling elite. it is interesting to me that the republicans, the same ones who are extremists, when they come to congress and the senate, they get free health care, $100,000 salaries, but they do not want their constituents to have the same they have. that is concerning. lastly, 30% of the electorate is low wealth, 65 million people. we did study with columbia university and asked why are poor and low wealth people really engaged? the answer was nobody talks about them, whether they are white folks or poor black folks or latinos or whatever, we can go through an entire presidential election, and the candidates will talk about the middle class, the wealthy, and never talk about one third of the electorate and in 40 million people in this country, almost
43% of the nation. that is a problem because if you are not willing to say the word poverty or talk about wealth, then we are never going to do policies that lived from the bottom up. you are always going to be stuck and either trickle down that does not work, or neoliberalism that says if you lift from the middle, everyone is lifted, when in fact, we are not going to fix what is wrong with society until we lift up the bottom. host: poorpeoplescampaign.org is where you can find the poor people's campaign on the internet. we have plenty of calls. matt, virginia, democrat. you are up first. caller: i would say i aligned for the democrats and vote for them, but my personal politics aligned more with the democratic socialists. i look around the country, and there are a lot of democratic socialists fighting for the kind
of change you would like to see. i just wonder are the democrats as a whole helping with your policies? i know there are democrats who are just as liberal and supportive of poor people, but i feel like within the democratic party, there are forces who fight against trying to change capitalism for the better to save itself from destroying itself. mr. barber -- guest: i appreciate the question. the poor people's campaign, we are not democrat or republican. i am an independent by registration. challenge both parties. we are organized, no person of elected office can stand on our stage or lead our coordinated committees. there are a lot of different names you could call it, democratic socialism, reviving democracy, we tend not to get into that linkage. what we say is we need to look at all public policy and deepest
moral values, whether of the constitution that says we have provided the common defense and promote the general welfare and equal protection under the law, or look at moral values, which say how you treat the least of societies in the measure of the society. when you lay those values on top of every public policy and ask this question, how does this piece of public policy lift from the bottom? how does it lift low wealth? whether it is written by democrats or republicans, we can color subs a lot of things, but i want to know, which is why we wrote a moral budget, we put a budget before the united states house of representatives, and we written -- we have written this resolution and it is specific because i do not want to talk about what you named yourself but what you are willing to push in public policy, regardless of what your public party is.
that is the perspective we take in this work. host: you brought up ending the filibuster is one of your key priorities. let me ask about two democrats in particular and your views on them on this issue. joe manchin, the democrat from west virginia, and senator kristin simoneau, the democrat from arizona. guest: it is interesting that they do call themselves, kratz, but that is why we don't look at what you call yourself by name but what you practice. it was joe manchin who also forced $15 minimum wage out of the recovery deal. it was in there, the house passed it. that had been in the republic -- recovery plan the president put forward, 32 million would have had black people lifted from the living wage, 62% of people would have been helped. and in west virginia alone, over
350,000 people less than a living wage. so he voted against his own constituency, so 900,000 people in west virginia who are poor, the majority happened to be white. now you have him and kyrsten sinema, and there may be other people, who decided they are going to support the u.s. chamber of commerce who is for the filibuster and against the voter people's act and living wage, rather than u.s. constitution, and that is why we went to west virginia. we marched with some 800 people. the majority were white. we call it from the hollers to the hood, these were white minors who said, how can this happened in west virginia, one of the poorest states, unlocking voting rights? the voting issue is not just a black issue but a moral and constitutional issue and one for the entire democracy. we are going to arizona and
people are protesting. we have to challenge all people. i do not care if you are republican or democrat. if you are standing on the side of the nonconstitutional filibuster, and blocking us from passing constitutional voting rights or expansions, and you are standing on the side of a nonconstitutional filibuster and blocking everyday people who work hard, getting a minimum wage that increases to living wage, you are wrong. it is constitutionally inconsistent, morally indispensable, historically inaccurate, politically mistaken, and economically insane. that is what we try to let people know. we are as comfortable in the hollers of eastern kentucky as in the delta mississippi, as we are in california to the carolinas because people in this country, by the way, that is 60
million white people below wealth, 60% of black people, ready percent of white people that in round numbers, most people are white women and working and the disabled. we have to challenge that. that is why people are doing civil disobedience. over 100 women from around this country are doing civil disobedience in front of his office, commanding that they change. next week, the poor people's campaign in conjunction with other groups are going up visit every senate office in this country, 45 states, and asked them whether you stand on the filibuster, where the stand on the voting rights act, -- whether you stand on the voting rights act, and if they with us, they will say they are with us. if they are not, people are going to engage in violent
nondirect action, and then the following week, we are in texas now because texans are saying it is time for eight selma like march into asutin -- austin from georgetown, texas. and the following week, we are calling clergy and low-wage workers who will come to d.c. august 2, and we are going to engage and challenge. it does not matter. we cannot let the u.s. constitution be trumped by the u.s. chamber of commerce. we cannot blame all of this on donald trump. he is out of office and we still have this regression. we have to challenge every person to do what is right and establish -- our constitution that they swear on the oath, it is not state pink about justice, it is not say just give justice, it says establish justice.
the inequities we have when it comes to systemic racism, devastation, the economy, and nationalism in health care is not just regardless of who it hurts. that is why the poor people's campaign is organized. host: for less than 20 minutes, we went to get to as many calls as we can. we have joe in pine tree state in the deferred, maine, independent -- in maine, independent. caller: thank you for taking my call. reverend, i am so impressed. i listen to this station all the time. i have never heard anyone explain themselves. i have heard mo brooks come on here and talk about complete idiocy, but my point likely -- i would like you to expand on his
money and politics, black money, however you want to call it, and it goes both ways. i lived in maine, we have our senator susan collins. she has six more years and $174,000 a year, which she got reelected from the most money ever from an outside gop incumbent to win an election. if you can, and i can throw another one out there. host: let's take money in politics. that is a big topic. guest: that is a huge topic. i remember one time when the republicans -- let me just say, i don't call them republicans but extremists because i think they have been hijacked by extremism, not the eisenhower republicans or teddy roosevelt. we have southern strategy republicans to the nth degree with donald trump charisma ties and they put that behind them,
but you talk about how they are instigating and i was in a conference one time, and i want to talk about it, but let's talk about the illicit relationship between the supreme court and big-money that created the bastard child of citizens united that is running around in the country. we have a situation now where money, we treat corporations like people and people like things. that is not how democracy is supposed to work. that is why so many people of the greedy elite, of what i call the southern aristocracy, they want you to think it is about voter id. that isn't the issue. it is because people curtail dark money. citizens like citizens, rather than corporations and people like things, and we have got to deal with this because of my good friend, i think this was nichols with the nation magazine
called dollarocracy or a civil oligarchy, it takes the right person to come along with a mean spirit and commitment to neo-baptism -- neo-fascism to take it to -- you have already allowed it to be ruled by the wealthy elite. it is the weight america began because in america's beginning, only wealthy white men could vote. white women could not vote, like people cannot vote. it is not that it is. it is so increased in this moment, and when you tie in racism or classism to all of that, you have a dangerous civil oligarchy that thinks they ruled over the people, and that we are the subjects, and the people they elect and pay for are the
rulers, and that is not how it is supposed to be. that is why the people's campaign and call for revival stands against any deal that puts more money or influence of money into politics, and why we support for the people's act, which wants to curtail get that out of the way so we can have more democracy and work toward a more perfect union as opposed to continually being driven by this ruling elite oligarchy. host: dollar chrissy -- dollarocracy, by john nichols, the author. stephen is next out of ohio. a democrat. caller: good morning to you, sir, and you give a fantastic program. host:. appreciated caller: two i, sir. tell right -- thank you, sir. tell reverend barber he is on point with the poor people's campaign and the voting rights act in the united states.
tell him to stay on point with that. i am a 73-year-old vietnam veteran. i am african-american and proud of my country. host:host: thank you so much. you just told the reverend yourself. guest: let me mention something. you know when we decided we were going to call for four things, we had democrats who said, no, let's just talk about the voting rights but do not couple that with the living wage because those are separate things. they said, but the voting rights people's jim crow. i said, no it is not jim crow. he said, it is, i said, no, jim crow was specifically toward black people. this is james crowe. if you look at the bills passed in the state legislature, and they are passing in states even like west virginia, this is against anybody who wants to be progressive. these bills will hurt black people, around people, native people, women, asian, -- brown
people, native people, women, asian, and we have to do that analysis so we don't have extremism. that is all they want, lack and white. we are asking for james crow esquire. we have got to connect the dots. and that is why we have said it is not just you for the people vote but are you also for $15 living wage? those things have to be connected. why? because they have always been connected. in 1965, the selma to montgomery march, people like to quote dr. king but not all of it, he said at the end of that march, when we were fighting for the voting rights act, and i paraphrase, he said the great theater of the southern aristocracy is "the black-and-white masters who find out that they are allies, and they come together and they use their power at the ballot to vote in a way that puts people in office that can change the
economic architect of the country." he said it has always been the fear of the ruling wealthy oligarchy and elite and that group coming together. today, the fear is around black, brown, white, asian and native coming together with allies and people who believe in the deep morality, coming together because when that happens, i have written a book entitled we are called to be a movement, and those who have been rejected because of the race and poverty, and sexuality, and creed, when those folks come together around an agenda that says we are not going to be accepting racism anymore or systemic poverty, wealth or economic the station or the denial of our health care or the economy, that coordination has the power to shift the nation. that is the fear. we have to see this moment as more than lack, white and the
voting rights thing. it is about -- black, white and the voting rights thing. it is about voting rights are connected to public policy and it is connected to how you spend the money. there is an economic, moral, race and class side, and the analysis cannot be so weak that we only look at it as black and white. that is why we cannot just have one rally in this moment, we have to have a season of direct action to shift and be in power and that is what the poor people's campaign and our partners, like seiu, coalition of justice, i could go on down the line. i am going miss somebody, but the national council and all of the 39 denominations, the presbyterian church, the christian church, the united church of christ, the systems of
mercy saying that we must have a season of nonviolent direct action to change the course of this nation. host: from pennsylvania, this is greg, an independent. good morning. caller: good morning. you are doing your typical thing, you are letting this guest, who was black, obviously -- guest: actually, i am not black, i am black, native american and white. let's get that right. caller: you are filibustering every question. you are a charlatan. guest: i am a charlatan, no, i am not from charlotte, but from north carolina. caller: what money do you get from your campaign? do you any money at all? guest: and your name is what? caller: greg knight. guest: first of all, mr. greg, that is not a question. i am a pastor, i have been a pastor for 30 years.
the question is, are campaign is fighting for people like you to make a living wage. we are fighting for 87 million of them, most of them white, who do not have health care. the poorest people in this country are white, my dear friend. my campaign is in appalachia and alabama. i am not filibustering but answering questions and taking questions. the filibuster we see today in congress is not filibustering either. a true filibuster as you have a span on the floor and debate, and when you get tired it can get broken. what we have today is a coward filibuster. please, sir, if you would, if you are going to call somebody something, make sure you know who you are talking to. i have cousins in my family, i guess you are white, who are as white as you. i have numbers who are native american and black. that isn't the point, the point is we are fighting for the kinds of things that will lift all
people. go to the poor people's campaign. read the moral budget. read the agenda. look at the facts that there are 66 million poor and the wealth white people in this nation who are being bamboozled, as well, who are being fooled by extremists, who are on the one hand saying we are for you, but they are really for the corporate elite. when is the last time the extremists who hijacked the republican raised living wages that would affect poor, with white people? when has the southern strategy that came out of 1968 and that crowd that brought us ronald reagan and others, when has that crowd ever lifted up poor, wealth people? they have not. that is not to say, cats do not have their favor, and we challenge them come -- democrats do not have their favor, and we challenge them, too.
so, i brother, all my life, i have been trained, i am from eastern north carolina, come from a family of activism, i went to school and learned degrees, but i do not earn them to be above people. i earned those degrees to be a servant. i am a pastor who would love for you to come to church and hear the gospel and meet you because i think you are confused about what our real purpose, what the poor people's campaign is. i understand it. i understand it because, just like with after king and others, every time somebody starts talking about pulling people together, somebody misconstrues and come out with false criticism that grows out of some racist analysis instead of looking at, brother, you might recognize that the poor people's campaign is the best friend when it comes to poor white folk, poor black folk, poor latino foe, poor asian folk, port
native folk, and we are getting together. i hope you will join us if you'd come on in and understand what we are trying to do for the betterment of all people. host: a few minutes left with reverend william barber of the poor people's campaign. gloria is waiting in maryland, a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning and god bless c-span. reverend barber, i am a stranger to you, but i should not be because i was with you guys on the university campus here in d.c. guest: oh, yes. caller: yeah, ok, and i want to come in. i have been trying to, but i am not criticizing you, because i know what it is like to be the head of something, it is very difficult to keep the moving parts moving in the right direction. i am mostly african-american, i am stone blind, and i'm going to tell you really because i can help you and want to help you,
you have a very vulnerable place, and it is the response from the community of differing abilities. i think people with disabilities are the ones who make your work difficult and to do things you get blamed for. reverend angela martin knows me very well. i am, too, and ordained pastor, but i am finding it difficult. you know, we have to get ada out of the posture of being an unpaid mandate. the way we do that is inclusion, and, you know, you are in high prayers, i would love to be more supportive. i have the experience, but you have got to let me in. [laughter] guest: i am glad you said that, and in maryland, we have a poor people's coordinating committee there, and the third reconstruction resolution, there is a whole section on differing
abilities and what needs to happen and why does need to be an unpaid mandate. i had disability for a while, and we have people with differing abilities, but in our actual document, and this is one thing about the poor people's campaign, none of you who are listening, you do not have to guess where we stand. go to poorpeoplescampaign.org, and read the third reconstruction or have someone read it, or were actually i will do other things and we are getting it put out so the impaired community can hear it, but it is detailed. it is put together by some of the best public health care. my daughter has a phd in public health, my son is an environmental's assistant lawyer.
-- environmental physicist and lawyer. we work with people and impacted people and historians of sociology. it is most comprehensive call of this nation to fully address the issue of systemic racism and systemic policy and economic devastation. we are actually not leaving people out but bringing people in because this nation, as i close, cannot continue to survive with almost 50% of its people in poverty and low wealth before the pandemic, and then people blaming the poor with some racial analogy, they think black and brown, we are close to 50% of people being that poverty, wealth in the country. a million more people in poverty
white billionaires may nearly $2 trillion. that should shock all of us, and poverty is a policy choice. it is not a moral decision. the majority of poor people are disabled. and, so, we have done a complete agenda. even when we deal with racism, we look at it not just through the lens of voting rights but indigenous rights and immigration reform, and how white people expand the collateral damage of racism because we want people to understand that if this is a moment in which very, the all of us have to come together, and recognize the question before us, it is not can a democratic party be or can a republican party be, but can america be? if we are going to have the healing of the nation of the president that he has called for, and i said this when i
preached the inaugural sermon for the president, it requires the repairing of the breaching. it means more than patting people on the back, more than having political compromises that actually end up being capitulation and thus not doing what we need to do and is going to require us addressing it seriously these five interlocking injustices with the kind of public policy that can lift from the bottom because until we lift from the bottom with a goal of ending poverty and low wealth, not just as an aspiration, but as a theory of change and transformation, then the democracy and to reclaim we are is at direct and in peril. it does not have to be that way, we need a third reconstruction and that is what the poor people's campaign is calling for. we invite all of you to join us in this season of nonviolent direct action in this moment.
and then on june 18, 2022, we are having 365 days mao toward a mass poor people low wages moral march on washington in 2022. we have had two virtual events and over 2 million showed up on each event, but now it is time for us to put our faith, and what does the faith look like a low poverty and wealth in this country look like? that faith shifts the narrative so we can lift from the bottom. host: that demonstration in washington next week, are you going to join those folks? guest: it is all women, but like frederick douglass went to the women's convention 1948 at seneca falls, that is why they are doing it, it is the anniversary of seneca falls, i will be there watching and encouraging, and then on the 26th, i will be in arizona and
then we will be in texas for eight selma-like march from georgetown to austin that people are trying to put together now to say that the congress states cannot do this alone. you cannot overwhelm people at the ballot box. we cannot have the voting rights act without the support of people's act or vice versa. and then on the second, i will be with clergy and white, black, native, indian, asian, poor, wealth people with clergy for major action on the second of august in d.c. on constitution avenue. these things can be done and the congress can do all of this and more. the last thing we need is to pass an infrastructure bill, which is good, thank god for the three something trillion, but we really need 10 trillion or 6 trillion ought to be the baseline according to many economists. the last thing would be to pass
an infrastructure bill why we let the infrastructure about democracy go down and be torn apart. it is not either or. it is both things. that is what we need to happen. we say to everybody who joins us, forward together. forward together, not one step back. host: poorpeoplescampaign.org, reverend william barbour, we always appreciate your time. guest: thank you and god bless you. host: about 15 minutes left in our program. we will take your comments on your top news story of a busy week. phone lines for democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. go ahead and start calling in. we will be right back with your calls. ♪
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tell us your top news story of the week. it could be political, a state story, let us know your thoughts. phone line democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. at the beginning of our program today, we talked about this news story, those child aid tax credits starting to flow, checks starting arriving some early 5 million households around the country. that tax credit, several hundred dollars coming each week. this is the headline from "the washington post" on that story, just one of this week's story, a week that saw the unveiling of what the biden administration is calling a human infrastructure plan. the programs including environmental educational and other social programs. the topline number, $3.5
trillion. democrats on the biden administration hoping to move that through the budget reconciliation progress in the weeks to come, alongside that hard the structure bill as it has been called. that bill with some $600 billion in new spending. just some of the news stories. what is your top story? clarence, charlotte, north carolina, republican, you are up first. caller: how are you doing this morning? host: i am doing all right. caller: good. being a black and a preacher, i was listening to reverend barber, and i want to take you to the bible because jesus said the poor always have you with you. what he doesn't understand is the government can never get people out of poverty, it will keep you in poverty because they will give you just enough money to stay in poverty. if you want to help poor people, you do what we do, we try to get them jobs and show them how to
get out of poverty, tried to teach them how to buy a house, how to better themselves. you do not help people by putting them on a government program, so what he is doing now, he is not helping poor people get out of poverty but keeping them in poverty by telling them to depend on the government. we have been looking at government programs since they started in the 1930's, more people are in poverty than ever have been in poverty. he really need to re-strategize whatever he is trying to do. i do not understand that. host: clearance from north carolina. this is willy out of katy, texas, republican, good morning. caller: good morning. i see you are making up for what happened with reverend barber there. you had one republican call out of four democrat calls and independent, and that guy just filibustered his weight through
-- his way through. my top stories are georgia and arizona and the results of overlooking some of the election malfeasance that happened there. i do think that c-span needs to get its act together because what happened with reverend barber in that last segment pretty much shows the bias on your part. host: we take the calls as they come in, and if there is not someone calling in on that line, then we cannot go to that line. i think we got five calls or so in that segment and we took them as they came in. that is really in texas. this is dr. wallace in new orleans, louisiana, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning, how are you doing? i want to say i think you are fair and partial with your calls. you are not screening. i think everybody gets an opportunity to express. we live in a country we have too many views of the constitution.
i don't care if it is democrat or republican. i think this too shall pass, all of the foolishness exhibited from republicans and democrats. what it is in this country is that the vote has to become the central focus of everything. it is a sacred thing, as sacred as our freedom of speech. i believe the constitution is called, and i think we should look more to our self to see what we want this democracy to be in this country is a country built by immigrants, and there are certain things we have to take under percussion. we need to secure our borders because we don't know who is coming in this country. is it democrat or republican, either one of them, this country needs to be secured. i think giving too much to people is a problem that we have
come to be a santa claus nation. everybody is looking for something for nothing. we are confronted with this democracy being where people in this country are accepting less for everything. education. you could go on and on. we need to get back to the basic of what our democracy is and instilling the value of what people are worth. you have to earn what you are worth. i do not want anybody to give me something. there were 14 of us in my family, my mother said, be a man and work for it. i do not ascribe to any kind of conjecture about my race being black. i am black american and proud of that. i do not want to see a country where we are using race as a preset ideal that one race is better than another one. we are created equally and god's sight. i cut you, i am red -- you cut me, i am right, i cut you, you are red.
all of us have to wake up and thank god for another day. host: allen, flint, michigan, democrat. good morning. caller: yes, john. i listened to reverend barbara. it is good to hear him. sometimes you let your guests talk for too long. you have a lot of people who want to ask questions. you just let them talk, talk, talk. could you tell your guests that, you know, they have people who want to ask questions, and they should not preach for too long, thank you. host: i will take the feedback, thanks, al. tyrone in toledo, ohio. independent. good morning. caller: good morning to you. host: go ahead, tyrone. caller: how are you doing? host: i am doing all right. caller: good. what is wrong with your people? host: what people, tyrone? caller: do you know the lord?
host: who, tyrone? caller: do you know your lord? host: my lord? caller: do you know your god? host: sure, what are we not learning from god? caller: ok. god put each one of you here for a purpose, you know, find out why you are here. everybody gets the chance to be a child of god, each and every one of you well. host: that is tyrone in ohio. this is lynn, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. i am just calling, first of all, i want to mention about the last guest, i tried to get in and that last segment. one of your last callers mentioned that most of the calls on that last one were mostly democrats. i just went to make a comment quickly about that. this man is a politician
escalating as a pastor, and i wanted to ask about his worldview and how he felt about things, and all i wanted to talk about was his economic position. anyway, what i consider to be the most important topic, as far as this week and election results, and i would like to see more coverage by you, c-span, as well as the national networks about the election results and what, i mean, if there is something to hide, you know, [indiscernible] host: we talked about this story in our first segment of "washington journal" today from azcentral.com, arizona president
carol phan said that the legislature needs more data for an unprecedented and controversial review of the 2020 results suggesting the senate review may not be nearing its end. fans said -- she said that she expects the request for additional materials will set up another legal battle in the saga as state lawmakers aspire over the scope of the subpoena power. also during the hearing, the top contractor on the review recommended reviving plans to go door-to-door to inquire about the president's participation in last year's general election. the senate put off a vote to dispatch them, after they raised concerns it would amount to voter intimidation and violate civil rights protection. this is in lawrence, kansas, republican. good morning. you are next. caller: yes, i am white by race,
but i would like to give an amen to the man who called in from louisiana. i think he is right on track. one of your first callers basically said the same thing. i don't know if you consider me poor, the most money i ever made was $37,000 in a year, -- host: do you consider yourself poor, tom? caller: not really. i know there are a lot of people worse off than i am, but, you know, i worked in people's houses, their attics, everything like that, and the most i ever made was 14 something in our, and that is when i retired. you know, people expect too much from the government. we cannot go in debt to give everybody what they want. some people have to be
satisfied. not everybody can be a congressman or have a government position for things provided to them. there are plenty of people who need help, but we are bringing all of these people across the border now, and we are paying for all of them, and the kids that are going to be here and take jobs from people's kids or maybe are not earning much money now, you know. i think we all just need to get together and take care of our country first. host: madison, illinois, glenn. a democrat. good morning. caller: morning, john. i want to talk about this so-called coup. seems like it is getting swept under the rug.
let's get this thing out in the front again, and these republicans that do not want to agree with it. they just want to see trump go kiss his ring at his golf course. i do not know. i was in the service. i walked guard with a fully loaded gun, and, they want to buy rubber bullets further capitol? let's put some real ones in there that will stop this. host: glenn, you are talking about the reporting coming out from that new book "i alone can fix it: donald j. trump's catastrophic final year," the excerpts from that book getting a lot of attention this week.
another set of excerpts published on the front page today of "the washington post." time for one or two more calls as we wrap up a busy week, asking for what your top news story of the week was. brandon in california, what would you say? caller: yeah, man, i just wanted to say i appreciate everything you guys do on c-span. i am a 20 six-year-old veteran of the united states. it blows my mind -- i am a 26-year-old veteran of the united states. it blows my mind. top story of the week, cuba, essen america have to wake up and see what is going on. appreciate it. host: sherry and portsmouth, virginia, independent. what was your top news story of the week? caller: i am with the juneteenth movement. i am in the process of reframing the constitution, and i wanted to read the opening lines of what we wanted to say. the vote of the u.s. senate to recognize juneteenth as a
federal holiday comes at a momentous moment in history. it becomes necessary for the descendants of those ancestors who directly suffered from enslavement and oppression to be recognized andfor the pre-enforr stolen from those who are descended from the millions kidnapped from their families and homes and forced across and horrific ocean journey that physically and psychologically scarred and damaged generations of people and those harms continue in the 21st century. starting specifically with a group from angola who arrived in the latter part in the year 1619 and were brought ashore. host: that is sherry in virginia. stephen, oceanside, california. what is your top news story of the week? caller: i just want to say, out in california you are talking about rich and poor. out here you cannot tell who is rich and poor according to how they dress. overall, get up, get out and get
a job and work. that is what i was raised on. host: not our last call of the week as we continue to wait for the committee on homeland security hearing today on testimony about how the homeland security counters weapons of mass destruction. it has not quite started yet, so we have time for a couple more calls as we move past the 10:00 hour mark. joe in san antonio, texas. independent. good morning. caller: my top story of the week is a story from the guardian that appears to show putin's plot to put trump in the white house. people should be more open to reading this. host: how often do you read the guardian? caller: often enough, i guess.
host: why do you like it? caller: their investigative stories is what i appreciate about the guardian. host: the story for you. from then appear to show putin's plot to put trump in white house. theguardian.com. this is steve. grand rapids, michigan. democrat. go ahead. caller: has a white poverty worker here in grand rapids, michigan, i want to oppose the reverent who opposed reverend arber -- barber. there was a reverend that called in opposing him, talking about
more of a capitalist mindset. host: the first caller in the segment. caller: yes. i would suggest, the problem is, the number of intercity people that you will get a job for is really small. for him to advocate a needle in the haystack is the answer, i would say it is not the answer. i'm really happy with what biden is doing, helping more people. host: that is steve in grand rapids, michigan. steve will be our last caller for today's washington journal. we are getting ready to go over to the house homeland security committee. the acting assistant of homeland security secretary testifying about the issue of weapons of mass