tv Transportation Secretary Industry Experts on Energy CSPAN July 9, 2021 2:08pm-3:09pm EDT
six-month anniversary of the january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol. each night, we've been showing congressional hearings that occurred in the aftermath of the attack. tonight, we conclude with former trump administration officials and d.c. police chief robert contee, testifying on their actions in response to the capital security breach. watch that hearing tonight starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. recently, the white house, in bipartisan group of senators, announced they had reached a deal on infrastructure legislation. next, the transportation secretary, pete would a judge, and industry officials discuss infrastructure investment and clean energy initiatives. the bipartisan policy center is the host of this event. >> well, good afternoon, friends and family. welcome to this special event, critical infrastructure for a clean energy future. i am jason. on behalf of the bipartisan policy center, our smarter,
cleaner, faster task force, i'm delighted to be with you this afternoon. we have a two-part session today. i have the honor of sorting out the discussion with secretary buttigieg. following that, we have a panel discussion with experts from the business and labor committee to talk about how to realize this vision of a clean energy transition period welcome, mayor pete. -- energy transition. welcome, mayor pete. we have about 20 minutes. i want to talk a little bit about the bipartisan for structure plan, a little bit about d.o.t.'s unique role in a clean energy future, and if you have time, chat a little politics. to get is going, i think too often that infrastructure is the best idea that never happened -- infrastructure investment is the best idea that never happened.
it feels like we are pretty close. we are all in. we are going to get it done. how are you feeling? there's a lot of details, not a lot of time. give us a sense of your pulse on whether and how you pull this off. secretary buttigieg: everybody, things for having me. and yes, i think we have to get it done. -- thanks for having me. and yes, i think we have to get it done. this is an actual bipartisan policy coming out of washington. which is not something that we can say very often. but we know there's bipartisan interest and bipartisan patients. there's bipartisan consciousness. and i think that is where we were able to get to bipartisan infrastructure framework. it was really encouraging to see the -- see the site of the president walking out of the west wing flanked by republican senators saying we have a deal.
there are reasons, very real reasons why this hadn't happened yet. why infrastructure week has turned into the punchline more than once in recent years. i'm not saying that it's easy. we've arrived at something that is historic. this is an incredibly ambitious deal to do these things, the largest investment in our infrastructure in this country. the largest investment in clean energy transition in history, and real since and -- since amtrak.
it is so important. all of these things happening at a level that would be considered monumental. i think it will be remembered as money mental. -- as monumental. >> the policy animates our existence. let's talk a little bit about where the investments get made. one of the key ideas in the plan, the administer should has argued there's an opportunity to make an investment and decide benish committees. how can we do that?
how do we integrate the desire to build in these communities in a way that actually embraces their economic development aspirations? >> we have to recognize the history around this is mixed at best. one example of an equity and transportation policy left out, neighborhoods where you have fruit deserts also experienced transit deserts, where people cannot get connected. another issue that happened was that investment came in a very destructive fashion. that is particularly true in the history of our highway came to be where they are. with a very direct intent to remove what was considered under
-- undesirable neighborhoods. so you've got to recognize the federal dollars set up some of these problems. the federal dollars can also be used to solve them. our ambition to reconnect communities that were divided includes a recognition that it will be different in one place then it is in another. some places, you will have a highway for example that cuts through another part of town. sometimes it's not as dramatic. there's a lot of different things that we can do. i don't think the answers for the most part ought to come from washington. but the money should. that was my experience as mayor. we had a lot of things we do for our committee. i'm excited about what we've been able to do with
discretionary grants programs. it would be a whole new level. >> i should just note that online commute can tweet in questions or used to live chat function on youtube. we have some already asking questions. i will try to integrate some of these as we go. i want to focus on some of the questions now about speed and scale. we think there's an emergency infrastructure. if we want to achieve economic development, if we want to address the disadvantaged communities, and probably most importantly if we truly want to
de-carbonized the u.s. economy, we have to do things faster than we've ever done before. as our democracy prepared for success -- is our democracy prepared for success? how can we accelerate this innovation and build things fast in a way that respects those broader democratic values? >> in many ways, this is a testament of our democracy. -- not just morally but functionally. it's worth remember some phrases that sound innocuous. like making the trains run on time. that phrase was in our vernacular in the 1930's.
people were questioning democracy and looking across the atlantic at mussolini and saying, he's making the trains run on time. that's where that expression enters our vocabulary. literally in terms of transportation, we had a previous generation wrangling over the commitment to democracy. that commitment to democracy is what defined america in our time. we dare not lose it. with democracy comes a lot of noise and messy process. you need to make sure things can be legitimately inclusive.
making sure the process is set up so no one feels like they need to stand in the way of a project or an effort, but rather the voices were there from the beginning. it's that we do the best job, especially those voices that have been marginalized and cut out in past generations. >> is it fair to assume the administration will stay behind the best working one, the idea of one federal decision? there are some very seated debates. when we look at the fact that congress seems to be in this fierce debate, our fear is we are just going to blow past 2050 by 30 years.
what idea at as compelling as the idea of using existing right-of-way's. can d.o.t. play an important role by creating transition to get clean power to the people? how do you see that possibly evolving? >> i think so. so many of the problems we face right now are exclusively interagency problems. the way these issues cut across our economy or an individual family's life or budget, they are not a siloed as they are on the executive branch. to take up your question, energy and transportation are inextricably linked. ev's are only as clean as the power that goes into them. when we are talking about energy transmission, when we are talking about crude water and wastewater infrastructure, certainly when we are talking about fiber and broadband, the
idea that if we are going to tear something up, let's take care of what else we can around power, around fiber, it is sensible but also very important . one thing i am proud of this administration for come obviously this is my first time as a cabinet member, but from what i gather, this is pretty remarkable, with respect to what's been possible in the past. the level of collaboration you see across departments. whether it's with the department of energy, labor, h.u.d., especially when you consider we had people live in ways where they don't need as much transportation, having well-designed cities. of course transportation ought to be considered together.
we are trying to be very intentional about that. we think there will be a big payoff, given we could be moving unprecedented amounts of resources through our perspective department very soon. >> let's talk a little bit about the safe standards, epa, dot. gina mccarthy. a couple of questions that come in from some media, it relates to -- let me see if i can read these for a second. you are asked, d.o.t. proposed neutral standards for cards and trucks -- cars and trucks.
will the administration consider setting a phaseout date for gas powered car sales similar to other countries and states like california? folks are interested, mr. secretary. how is that going? >> i can't get ahead of any policy announcement, but i do want to say this, one of the reasons why cafe is so important and why we need to make sure they are ambitious standards, and -- part of what that matter is no matter how good we get with ev's, there are going to be a lot of gas powered cars on our roads for a long time. it can't just be ev's alone. and i am saying this as someone who wants to have as much success in ev penetration. it is very exciting. to talk about the opportunity electric vehicles represent in areas that may be are not the first to mind.
mainly rural areas. where you've got people driving longer distances. which means by definition they are going to save more money, because they are burning more gas today. it's part of why we have to make electric vehicles and electric pickup trucks affordable. another important policy. no matter how good we get at that, there's a lot of gas powered cars on the road today. even when no gas powered cars are being sold, they will still be out there. it is why having high-level efficiency in the cars sold today and tomorrow is going to be so important. there are going to be many times industry has stepped up,, when there's been an ambitious standard. it's prompted a remarkable level of innovation on the departments -- innovation on the departments.
>> let's talk about the tools at your disposal. i will not speak on your behalf. on behalf of the by -- the bipartisan policy center i may be off by a trillion. but the question about the rule of private capital has come up a lot. the bipartisan policy center has worked for a long time to demonstrate the capacity to grow the size of the pie. have a question from a former faa administrator. she says, i really appreciate the administration's leadership. every place to see the role of private sector and the
president's bill. can you elaborate how you see the role of p3's? there may be $15 billion of funding coming in. just broadly, how do you see the importance of private investment in shared infrastructure? >> what we know is that there's a lot of capital, a lot of cash out there looking for a place to go. if we can normalize that capital to solve problems, enhance the infrastructure capacity of our country, then that is really an appealing opportunity. it's one of the reasons why this is an area of bipartisanship. what can't work is for p3 to be used as an excuse. basically outsourcing the responsibility for doing the right thing or trying to get
around very important expectations around the way we do publish spending. you look at europe, a lot of companies in europe, where nobody could say it lacks relative to the u.s. on labor or other considerations. it is why we think there are a lot of things we could do. some things, we are already doing. there are different opinions about how much you actually get out of the buck for these
things. but the only way to find out is to try. mick said about the possibilities in the future -- i am excited about the possibilities in the future. >> a question from one of our board members. john writes, when i was in congress, i was a big proponent of finance projects. i was happy to see the new finance authority. one of the things about idea is it could innovate products such as volume guarantees. it could be useful for financing electric vehicle charging stations. the question is, how does the minister should think about the new infrastructure planning authority and making sure it has all the tools that it needs to be effective? >> great to virtually run into you, john.
part of what we are thinking about is the work that's been going on over years. we are trying to make sure that we build on it in the response of away. so much depends on the policy design and what features could be put in to the financing mechanisms. we can find new ways to create opportunity and to get that leverage. we are also in a historically low interest rate environment. when i was mayor, we had an enormous -- wastewater. i didn't need help financing. i just needed to help to pay for it.
hopefully we come up with something that has enough flexibility. >> we have about five minutes left. i want to talk a little bit about the politics of how we pull this all together. there's an interesting coalition around this idea of building cooler and building faster. trying to show the strength of the coalition. i want to thank you. this is simply to say that we have a coalition of about 300 groups that have just sent a letter to you. it says, we congratulate the partisan group of 21 senators of the biden administration for reaching an agreement and the caucus for endorsing an agreement.
with a significant and well targeted investment in transforming electric vehicle infrastructure, broadband internet, and more. there are dozens of chambers of commerce, the national wildlife federation, state transportation officials, broad-based groups -- but the math is still tough. there still needs to be at least 10 republican senators, and it's going to be a long and hot [indiscernible] -- be a long and hot recess. just among friends, how's it looking with that? let's say you need a dozen republican senators. what is the process of making that happen? what can people do to make the case that this is actually in the interests?
>> i appreciate the words. those were music to my ears. not very often do you have republican and democratic senators, in business and labor, and environmental groups and so many others, mayors, governors excited about what we are potentially about to do. as you say, the math -- washington math is strange. you have things that are overwhelmingly popular on both sides of the aisle, across every zip code in america, except capitol hill, for some reason. we have to work through that. the biggest threat to this is politics. some decisions that it will be politically advantageous to fail. by the same token, let me say that i can't think of better politics than delivering
something the american people want. the popularity is off the charts. the reason of course is we really need it. so this is reflected in an extraordinary range of senators who are already signed up. now we've got to get the votes, and i think anybody who has a stake on this, which is everybody, has an opportunity now to make your voice heard and to be part of this. you figure out be quickly as i governor that you are only part of the conversation. it is all about playing the right notes at the same time, to get this music to happen. and that is the phase we are in. especially these next few days and weeks, i think they are going to be decisive. it is not a small thing, to turn the outlines and agreements,
however detailed, intellectually to text. >> [indiscernible] last night. >> [laughter] yeah, when we are going to have it ready, right? the question is, the sooner, the better. we are thrilled that we have the bipartisan agreement. that is a step. we can't let our energies dip at all in this critical phase. this is the moment we have been waiting for, some people, their entire careers. it has never been this close to becoming real. and to invoke the other side, if you think about the alternative, what would it be for a republican and democrat to go back to their districts and say the vast majority of americans,
businesses, labor, governors and mayors -- this is the time. and it is an exciting one. my hope is this could result in momentum for other things we've been wanting to do for a long time that have been difficult or impossible based on the twisted political physics in washington. they got sorted out just a little bit, delivering something good and big for the american people. >> we've often said we think democracy like college basketball is a sport. i agree with you that if we make this significant accomplishment, i think it will have a lot of possibilities. we can't let our energy dip. that is not within your genetic character. you have been the energizer bunny on this thing. i think it's really made a big difference. d.o.t.'s voice on these issues has been compelling and profound.
really appreciate everything you're doing over the next several weeks. on behalf of several hundred people on the phone here, you have a lot of friends. i look forward to inviting you back may be early in the fall to talk about the accomplishments and some of the details of how we actually make sure the money gets spent. it would be -- we know you are committed to that. really appreciate you getting this discussion started for us this morning. thank you so much. >> it's a pleasure to be with you. i know you're in for a treat with some of the other conversations. i would love a chance to circle back and reflect on the achievement and talk about how to make good on it. right now, it is the right time for everybody to be part of the solution and help us move
forward. because our economy, our climate, our competitiveness depend on it. >> thank you again. now it is a pleasure to introduce my friend and colleague, sasha, who directs the energy program, to lead the second conversation. >> thanks, jason. really special thanks to secretary buttigieg. that was a great discussion on the infrastructure package that is both ambitious and tailored for the political moment. we now have a great panel lined up to add a little color and perspective to the secretary's point, why we can and must get legislation across a line. our leaders from the community
with inside. the council is a bpc project that's worked for more than a decade, focusing on the commercial imperative and the public partnership needed to advance the clean energy revolution for continued economic leadership in the century ahead while delivering enormous change in climate change. i am happy to have three of our principles today. i will start with a short introduction then we will jump into the conversation. first we have liz schuler, the second ranking officer and the secretary-treasurer, the first woman in the position, and also the chief financial officer for them. she has a lot of experience on these initiatives on the clean energy economy. workforce development and empowering women and young workers. we also have bob lou, the president and ceo of dominion energy.
he was dominion's co-chief operating officer before becoming president and ceo. he currently serves on the board of directors of the institute of nuclear power operations. finally we have toby, the president and ceo of the largest u.s. national gas producer. they made some news recently when they announced a commitment to achieve net zero gas emissions in their production segment by or before 2025. something i'm sure we will learn more about today in the conversation. really looking forward to this conversation and i will start with a couple of quick questions to each of you, then diving together -- then dive in together. viewers, please submit your questions using the live chat on youtube or facebook. you can use twitter, as well.
liz, secretary buttigieg makes a strong case for infrastructure bill as a key driver of near-term economic growth and a long-term clean energy buildout. what does the labor community think about this opportunity generally and the proposal in particular? >> first of all, just let me say thank you, sasha, and jason, and the team at the bipartisan policy center for bringing us together for this discussion. i absolutely love what we just heard from secretary buttigieg. as should just remind folks off the top, we are an organization of 12.5 million working people and 56 different unions all across every sector of the economy. they all have an interest in infrastructure policy. i am bringing the voices of
those workers with me today. and we are in full support of the bipartisan infrastructure plan. we are working hard right now to get it passed. i know there's some debate about the bipartisan deal, whether it goes far enough, but we think this bill brings the investment, the american people have been waiting for for far too long, mr. secretary said, -- as the secretary said. there's been rhetoric he director year now. it's time to get it done. and we need this investment for so many reasons. our country's competitiveness, jobs, equity, public health, and to fight climate change. there are significant pro-climate investments in this field, including 70 $3 billion for power infrastructure, 15 billion dollars for ev infrastructure and electric buses. it also has 47 billion dollars
dedicated to resilience. let me just say, we need obviously to be thinking about how we would expand the effects of climate change. it should be obvious we need to invest in resilience. i'm from portland, oregon. you probably saw on the news last week the extreme temperatures the last few years, the fires, every bit of it tied somewhat to climate change. and those systems were not designed for the extremes. there were power cables that were melting in the 115 degrees heat. that's not what they were billed for. resilience is needed all across the country. then add the huge investments in clean water, environmental remediation, broadband, transit, these are significant climate equity and economic justice benefits. the jobs that will be created, these are all important wins for
the american people. i want to be clear, we need the rest of the american jobs plan and the american families plan to pass and reconciliation. so we are mobilizing our members on the ground now to push for that as well, because the social infrastructure is needed now more than ever. it is woefully inadequate and we need to make those critical investments that would have a huge impact on working families. >> thanks, liz. i can feel your enthusiasm to the video here. let's turn to you. the electric industry, dominion has been a leader in vehicle electrification and wind. how would a new infrastructure
package support your plan? >> good afternoon, sasha. things to you and jason and the bipartisan policy center for allowing me to participate today. great to be with liz and toby to talk about these issues. obviously, our industry is at the center of much of what is going on in terms of decarbonization. the electric utility industry. i should say dominion is for electric and -- am -- it is an electric and natural gas company. that business is very much part of this decarbonization narrative that we've been talking about. for us, we start with a net zero commitment by 2050. our industry, the electric
industry, has reduced its carbon emissions 40% since 2005. that's going to take a substantial amount of investment, starting with an increased investment in renewables. we are building the largest offshore wind farm off the coast of the u.s. in federal waters. 27 miles off the coast of virginia beach. a 2.6 gigawatt project that will serve 650,000 homes and businesses. when it is complete by the end of 2026. it is that kind of investment and wind and in solar, and by the way continuing operating our nuclear facilities, which are the only baseload non-emitting sources of electric generation that exist today. that's going to allow us to meet that 2050 goal. there's went to be a lot more that we have to do besides investing in renewables. we are going to need to upgrade our grid. substantially. as well as -- you've heard
some conversation about that already. we also believe we can help, and we are going to be critical to continued expansion of electric vehicles. and you heard secretary buttigieg talk about that some. we are part of a coalition of companies in the southeast in the midwest. creating a seamless, fast charging network so that companies and individuals are able to move across states easily and charge. and we are also focused on charging infrastructure specifically in our virginia service territory. we have a pilot project, we call it a smart charging pilot project. where we are going to be providing rebates for multifamily housing, for workplace charging as well as building our first company-owned fast charging station -- d.c. fast charging station.
we think this will allow us to help do carbonized the electric sector, which today produces the most greenhouse gas emissions of any sector of the economy. so we think building a renewables, helping with ev's will allow us to help move forward with this clean energy transition. >> thanks, bob. toby, in many respects, natural gas is the crossroads of our energy transition. it's been viewed as a transition fuel, cleaner and more efficient than coal but still has greenhouse gas and locations. how do you see it fitting into a net zero carbon world? >> thank you for the question. happy to be here.
i think it was really great to hear secretary buttigieg [inaudible] infrastructure. ambitious goals [inaudible] >> i'm really sorry to see toby is having challenges. maybe we can get him back here in a second or two. while he works set out, why don't i circle back to a theme that both bob and liz brought up, the intersection of labor and clean energy. it is really notable to me that dominion and its partners are building the first compliant vessel to support the offshore wind industry. my first question to both of you is, is this infrastructure?
what other innovations are needed to realize the potential of offshore wind? >> i will jump in, if that is all right. certainly it seems like infrastructure to me. all of what we are talking about in terms of adding renewables in the clean energy transition, and liz and i have discussed this in forums like this before, opportunities we believe to create good, high-paying jobs here in the united states. take our offshore wind installation vessel. which is being constructed in brownsville, texas. that is 1000 jobs associated with that project. in the supply chain opportunities are substantial. so i happened to have an opportunity a couple of weeks ago to be with secretary granholm and senator manchin and in west virginia as they discussed clean energy and centered on the fact that steel,
for our ship, some of it is coming from west virginia, from a union shop in west virginia. so the supply chain, beyond the specific projects, i think present great opportunities. and i should say that the offshore wind farm that we are building, that we have announced that we are going to do with project labor agreements for all the components of it that we think are possible to do, and we've been in conversations with liz and her colleagues on that. so fundamentally, whether that shape is infrastructure or not, it is jobs. there's no doubt about that. it's going to enable quite a bit of infrastructure up and down the east coast. so we think that's a great opportunity for clean energy, it is a great opportunity for the american economy. >> yes. absolutely. i would agree 100% with what bob said. it's a big deal that dominion is
first to commission a compliant ship. but i would say it's not surprising, because dominion is the one who stepped up, because they have always had good labor relations. and they can see the value of what this would mean to the industry. i just want to thank bob for this leadership. because he sees that investing in a highly skilled, highly trained union workforce is a value add. and it is a smart business decision. but i would say the offshore wind industry is a top drawer example of how labor and management can work together to create a high road, high wage strategy for the entire sector. so that this promise that we hold out there of a clean energy future is actually growing good jobs and benefiting everyone as far as investments needed. -- and is benefiting everyone.
as far as investments needed, to scale up offshore wind, the big need right now is to leverage the huge pipeline of projects that are on the horizon and translate that into the production of the major components in the united states. bob pointed to this as well. we are way beyond the volume needed to support turbine and blade factories. beyond that, we seem to be in better shape on towers and foundations. but the need here is we need to be looking seriously at substations, that cable. -- at cable. one thing to remember that is very specific to offshore wind actually, the turbines are so massive, that if we can produce the major components here in the u.s., the bill of materials is stupendous. it's literally hundreds of tons of steel and copper and specialty metals. and that is why the supply chain
for offshore wind can be such an engine for economic growth for our country. moving energy around the country is a logistics marvel. how can infrastructure investments today make sure that we translate that into jobs? and that these jobs are actually benefiting the very people that we are hoping this promise of a clean energy future is going to deliver on, for the folks that we represent and others. >> thanks, liz. bob, i will just note that six $5 billion in broadband enhancements in the infrastructure package couldn't come fast enough for toby. we are going to give him another shot. i think he is on the phone now. we are going to turn back to toby and see if we can make it work in here -- and hear your
thoughts on the natural grass transition. -- on the natural gas transition. >> yes. so i think where i left off, really, was leveraging existing infrastructure, leveraging proven technologies to meet both our climate needs and the energy demands of the public. and i think when you look at natural gas, it's really the tool that has a proven track record of both meeting energy demand and lowering emissions. when we look at what took place from 2007 to 2020, we increased natural gas demand -- natural gas consumption by tony percent. -- by 20%. that allowed us to increase our share of renewables by 10%. during that time, emissions declined by tony 5% in the united states. -- by 25% in the united states.
the more natural gas we use, the more opportunities for renewables, and it also combined is going to be the key to lowering emissions. this creates an amazing opportunity for us when you think about making an impact on lowering emissions. people are surprised to realize that over 20% of our power comes from: the u.s. retina. that is a tremendous opportunity for us to continue this track record of success with natural gas. that will translate to an increase of 20 bcf a day of potential natural gas demand. that is something that our industry is prepared to do and has shown the ability to scale to meet the energy needs. i think when you look at climate change and being leaders and influencing what is taking place in the world, tremendous opportunity, and you step back and look at the power grid around the world, over 35% of our power in the world comes from coal. that is the equivalent of an
incremental 175 bcf a day of natural gas demand. doing things like this would have the impact of cutting emissions from the rate in half. that is scalable and i think we are talking about solutions going forward, so we need to think about offshore solutions that are low-cost, reliable, and plain, and things that can scale. and natural gas certainly has a track record of doing that. what we are doing at eqt, in addition to providing a low-cost form of energy, we think one thing that is very special of natural gas is the fact that this is a hydrocarbon that can be transformed into a deep carbonized form of energy. decarbonized form of energy. -- a decarbonized form of energy. not only do we have a low-cost
form of natural gas to be a feedstock for hydrogen, we also have a home to store the carbon. that is going to be -- the hydrogen economy is something that we are really excited about and we are on our way to developing pilots to start allowing that to have an impact on a lower scale -- on a larger scale. >> thanks, toby. it's good to hear you loud and clear even if we can't see you. let me remind everyone that you can ask questions in the youtube chat or through twitter. we do have a few questions that are coming in. before i turn to those, i will ask liz to build on the natural gas question. i know the afl is also deeply involved in these issues. i was wondering what your views are with respect to industrial emissions and a healthy and competitive manufacturing sector, and how do we
decarbonize that part of the puzzle. >> i will just say that labor is still very bullish on natural gas. we think it's a fuel that can be used while we are reducing and eventually eliminating emissions. the industry can and should tighten its practices, whether it is production, transmission, eliminating methane leaks, minimizing criteria pollutants. these are becoming expectations for the natural gas sector. gas can be used for both industry and electricity generation. in fact, organizations like the iea, ipcc say that we need it to meet our climate goals. and we are also -- of course,
the potential for blue hydrogen is out there. we've been in this labor energy partnership, which is a joint effort between the afl-cio and former energy secretary moniz. his energy future initiative. and we are actually doing an event i think next monday. bob and i together are going to be at that event to talk about the future of that. we believe that this is a future that we get to decide how fast we move, we set the targets out there, but the industry is definitely -- the industry definitely has its challenges in terms of how we get there with the timetables that have been set out. but we know it's going to be a heavy lift, but we can get there. certainly we think and all of the above strategy is the way we get there, and that includes natural gas. >> thanks, liz.
i'm going to turn to a question from the audience now that i think will be directed to bob and toby, from michael simons, asking, what is the role of renewable natural gas in the green transition and can it be scaled? bob, do you have a view on that? >> i do. i think it can play an important role in can be scaled. renewable natural gas, we're talking about from our company's perspective, methane from hog and dairy operations, we clean it up and put it in a pipeline. it is a carbon negative, because the potency of methane versus the pipeline system. it goes to our customers. it can be scaled. whether it can be scaled to a level that we are talking about to serve all the natural gas needs our country is going to have for some time, it is a
pretty small amount. but it is incredibly important. we should not forget, as within but our policies moving forward, a lot of small efforts can add up collectively to substantial changes. we can scale it up more than we have today. our company is interested in doing that. >> that is going to translate to one of the largest renewable gas businesses in the country. one of the biggest issues and everything bob mentioned about renewable natural gas being carbon negative is great. the issue is scale. from our, we see potential
renewable natural gas that can be captured. when you compare abcf per day, the 95 bcf per day we use for natural gas it shows the difficulties. it is a great product. we do not believe it has the scale to meet the energy needs of our industry. so what we are doing is to continue pioneering what we think is a scalable solution that does demonstrate cleanburning and the cleanliness of a gas and we are talking about pioneering work we can do with responsibly sourced gas. this is identifying the production with the lowest forms of omissions. everything mentioned about methane emissions taken into account. one thing that is exciting is that in appalachia where ect is produced with our peers, we are producing it at emissions
intensity levels the lowest not only in the country but around the world. so we have a great source of clean, responsibly produce gas here in the united states and it can be a tool and we are working to get that certified. our utility customers have confidence they have alternatives to show they are getting gas that is produced as clearly as possible. >> thank you for that. [echo] the low carbon molecules are welcome and we will try to scale them as fast as we can. we are in the last few minutes here of the conversation so we will need to be brief. i want to wrap up with a political focus. at bcc we are optimistic for the chances for this bipartisan package to actually make it across the finish line to the desk of the president.
there will be a lot of love and things people that will not like . -- and things people will not like. but i'm wondering if there are things people will like and we should get it done. liz, we will start with you. >> absolutely, we believe it and it will be critical to get it done. we think we can get it done. as was said earlier i think the secretary himself said the american people want infrastructure investment. this is the most popular piece of legislation we have a bipartisan proposal right in front of us. the country needs it. this is a win. it is ready to go. we should make it happen. they're so much in here to look forward to. we are, as the labor movement, we have infrastructure in the real world, you know, across the country, of people in workplaces, on the ground. so that is what we are doing now is making it our mission to mobilize and educate and activate people in communities
who know that these projects are going to bring good jobs and help us build a clean energy future. we absolutely think we can and will get it done. >> thanks. bob? >> i'm about as good at political prognosticating as at march madness brackets. i will leave prognostications to others. i will say we believe this framework is important, a very important step in moving our nation's energy infrastructure forward. we would like to see it get across the finish line. >> thank you. toby, the last word? >> sure thing. one of the biggest things i think we need to be focused on in dealing with any solution is finding sustainable solutions to address these issues. when i talk about sustainable, i am not just talking about from an environmental perspective. the are talking about profitable
solutions as well. we are certainly, i think everyone agrees there is a certain amount of infrastructure that needs to get built and we think it is great for the government to help facilitate that. and i hope every one keeps in context looking for sustainable infrastructure that will create sustainable jobs and sustainable energy to meet the energy demand and climate issues we have in front of us. >> well, we will leave it there for now. a great discussion and let me thank the panelists are taking the time to share perspectives with us. i also want to say we are grateful for secretary buttigieg to have spent time with us today. we look forward to reconvening this group in the fall to talk about how we ample met this agenda, so thank you, everyone for your time today. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2021]
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