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witnesses were talking about the roles physicians play for people and how they are vaccine ambassadors. so i think it is going to be a really key piece of >> we will leave this washington journal discussion here. live now to london, where british prime minister boris johnson is preparing to testify before the house of commons liaison committee. he is expected to discuss the coronavirus pandemic, post brexit trade and climate change. live coverage on c-span. p.m. johnson: if you asked me whether i feel happy about the current situation in afghanistan, of course i do not. i am apprehensive. the situation has risks.
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we must hope the parties can come together to reach an agreement and somehow or other, the combination with the taliban. we have to be realistic about the situation. we have to hope the blood spent by this country over the decades by protecting the people of afghanistan has not been in vain and the legacy of their efforts is protected. the situation is difficult. it will probably be better not to expect a further statement.
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>> servicemen and servicewomen who lost their colleagues want to know lessons are being learned and implemented. how will we make sure that happens? p.m. johnson: we have been learning lessons the whole time. i am not going to do that. [indiscernible] >> cannot just ask a very quick -- can i just ask a quick supplementary, most of our nato allies -- they are not relying on civilians in order to make sure there servicemen and
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servicewomen are evacuated. is this something you could take away and address? p.m. johnson: to the best of my knowledge, we have a strike group that we just sent out around the world. 40 allies around the world, they have protection from the virus. >> thank you. >> two questions and short answers print. >> [indiscernible] >> we will ensure that is done.
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p.m. johnson: thanks to the government's guarantee. the -- has been and surplus. protecting the pensions of workers and supporting their families. >> parties on the select committees agreed to 1.2 million pounds in the reserve fund should go to miners and their widows. will you undertake that pledge? p.m. johnson: trustees to have freedom to be risk-averse with their investment strategy. >> do you not know the facts of
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this? p.m. johnson: it already ensures members receive payments thanks to the government's guarantees. we will continue to ensure members. >> [indiscernible] >> do you support closing the loop post so mps that are suspended -- p.m. johnson: this is a matter for the house. >> if the government tables a and supports it, will you
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support it? p.m. johnson: i urge the mps to do that. >> do you think the loop post should be close? p.m. johnson: i see no reason why it should not be close. >> i take it that you do support that. we have registers for mps to abide by. publish these at different times, in different places, and according to different rules. a simple set of rules governing all of these matters. p.m. johnson: concerns over the
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actions, it would not be right for government to determine how those work. matters relating to -- i think that is quite sensible. >> two members of parliament sitting next to each other, some of the matter in different ways with different rules. that is not fair, is it? p.m. johnson: i think it is sensible there should be a distinction between parliament and the executive. it is not surprising there are different approaches and different ways to do this. >> it is only published twice a year. the list is published much more frequently.
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they no longer appear and appear no longer to be relevant. p.m. johnson: the system of mps and ministers, -- it is as it should be. i encourage everyone to do that. [indiscernible] >> [indiscernible] it is updated so rarely, members and the public can spot in real
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time. p.m. johnson: the list of interests to the best of my knowledge -- for your interest and the public's information [indiscernible] >> interest did arise in relation to your flat on downing street. publication was delayed by many months and this is no longer relevant. you should have declared when was it paid off. p.m. johnson: there is a
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register and one that needs to be registered as the advisor. >> arguments between paragraph 32 and another paragraph in another report. it should have been declared. p.m. johnson: i have nothing to add to what i just said. anything that should be registered has been registered in the proper way. >> final question from me. when a minister lies, should they correct the record? do you agree?
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there is no reason to deliberately lie. a minister has been forced to resign. p.m. johnson: [indiscernible] >> i think there are plenty of instances -- an accurate version of events. p.m. johnson: i will give you an example. [indiscernible]
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that was erroneous. that did not reflect the true figure. >> did you sack matt hancock? p.m. johnson: a figure related to the sum the u.k. gave to the e.u. during a campaign five years ago , an estimate.
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go back to what i said many, many times, we read about the story confirming with hancock and cctv and so forth. in the middle of a pandemic, i think that is quite fast going. >> you had your time. thank you very much. moving on. >> i am going to move onto the subject of prop 26 and climate change.
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the government responded to the climate change progress report recently, the government pointed to historic success in renewable energy. given the covid crisis delay from introducing the myriad policies it requires to deliver against the admirable target of 78% reduction of emissions by -- when can we expect you or your ministers to start delivering to this house the policies to get us to 78%? p.m. johnson: the plan i set out last november. you would have seen what is happening in green technology and this country.
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a massive investment in green. battery powered vehicles, you saw what is happening -- in terms of delivery, our objective. there are huge investments going on. producing gigawatts of wind to supply the domestic needs, the energy needs of households in this country. that is an incredible ambition. you can see around the country the incredible potential of the
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u.k., you can see what we can do elsewhere. we will do it. you make the point about a historic achievement. do not forget that i think the u.k. has cut emissions by more than 40%. we are confident that green technology and green investments and the cutting of co2. >> i think you are right that there is enormous potential for the private sector to work with government and investing in new technology is, but they cannot do so in absence of clarity with what the government's demand signals will be and what strategies will be in place.
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understanding how we will cope with energy efficiency of homes, a massive task -- 19 million homes need retrofitting at the moment. the sector is not yet in a position to invest. [indiscernible] p.m. johnson: a key part of our biodiversity objectives. [indiscernible] p.m. johnson: there is a huge opportunity for this country to lead in low carbon technology and growth. that is what we are doing.
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if you look at what we have done since i came in two years ago, a 10 point plan. we have set up the framework, it is there. people can see what we need to do. green vehicles, that is a big thing in and of itself. that means electrifying our fleet. electric vehicles by 2030 in this country. what has happened, much to our satisfaction and relief is the sector and the u.k. has responded and they are investing. i get back to what i said about the investments happening.
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we will work to ensure that -- this is the key thing -- we have the scale to manufacture in this country to allow the price of ev's and other green technology. >> this is your opportunity to be on a stage with every nation on earth. you need to be able to demonstrate -- other areas or strategies are not in place. many other countries have developed a strategy, we do not have one. p.m. johnson: i am afraid i have to disagree with you completely. the u.k. was the first country
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in the world with a major developed economy to set a net zero target. it is now at 70%. a 10 point plan, a very strong strategy. if you look at what is happening with the economy, hydrogen, a big part of -- [indiscernible] >> you were as shocked as i was to see reports of amazon
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destroying consumer electronics from a warehouse less than an hour away from glasgow. his attorney thing you will do as the u.k. government to hold people to account for their environmental footprint? p.m. johnson: [indiscernible] the reality of the position. what we have done with the g7, we got for the first time global agreement that there should be a tax on the sales of internet giants such as amazon, with the market. this was a massive achievement.
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to get a global agreement. >> [indiscernible] 15% of carbon emissions -- the commission [indiscernible] reducing the level of emissions from housing. framework about not what we will achieve but how we will achieve it. what about that framework shows how we will get a zero carbon with housing? p.m. johnson: there has been a massive production with housing.
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look at the proportion -- co2 emissions from commercial property. [indiscernible] 10.8 million homes get energy from -- that is up from 12%. >> [indiscernible] p.m. johnson: there was massive progress. it continues to be made. this is something that has been very difficult.
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[indiscernible] these are the principles and what we will do is -- working with producers, manufacturers, the whole sector to ensure, just as we are with electric vehicle manufacturers -- [indiscernible] suddenly faced with an unexpected and unreasonable -- [indiscernible] >> [indiscernible]
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that is 25 million homes. plus, 38,000 heat pumps put in. when are the plans to do that? p.m. johnson: working with the manufacturers. to ensure that we have the heat pump -- bring the price down. we have to make sure that when we adopted this program, we have a solution that is a favorable one. [indiscernible]
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i think we can do it very rapidly. but it takes determination, it takes working with producers, driving down the cost. it means setting the market. the prices are too high. >> [indiscernible] >> about one million homes are there responsibility. they calculated, 104 billion pounds. the financial plan.
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be able to plan p.m. johnson: i just said. the plan is to look at the manufacturer to speed. >> but what is the plan -- p.m. johnson: will bring forward a plan. under covering budgets. we will bring forward a plan this year. you will be getting a plan on the decarbonization of the domestic market. what i am saying, and what i think people be interested in, this government is determined to keep bills low. that is a priority.
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the only way to do that is to build the market and very systematic way to make sure that we have the technology and make sure it is affordable. there are some betsy may need to place on hydrogen -- bets we may need to place on hydrogen. >> the financial support has a capacity to want to do the right thing. p.m. johnson: the models and the solutions may be very different across different types of housing, variety of different housing stocks. you will see it long before comp 26. >> we look forward to it. moving on. >> are you hoping for any gender specific outcomes from comp 26? and if so, how will they be measured? p.m. johnson: thanks very much.
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i think the comp 26 program's window lb benefits all of humanity. i believe that helping to tackle climate change, it will help to tackle economic inequality, and it think it will inevitably be a massive benefit to those who have tended to suffer the most, women in particular, who don't get -- when it comes to the education, for instance, they don't get as much investment. one of the things we did at the g7 was to be should we put another $2.5 billion into the goebel partnership for education.
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-- d global -- d -- the global partnership for education. but i think everyone understands there is a clear link between economic progress, sorting out climate change, addressing climate change, and empowering and advancing women and ending the injustice that so many young girls around the world receive far less investment in education than young boys of the same age. >> -- help those girls? p.m. johnson: the u.k. is putting more money into female education. we are putting 453 million pounds into the partnership for education.
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he is coming from kenya to london a few days time to help us raise more. >> thank you. >> moving on. >> thank you. prime minister, the g7. you didn't manage to get any of our six closest allies to pledge to abandon coal use. how did he think you're going to manage to get china to do something similar? p.m. johnson: china is a huge global economy. a great emitter. we have to address that problem -- >> how are you going to? p.m. johnson: by engagement. what you can't do is simply push china way.
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china is a member of the p5. it sits on the un security council, quite rightly. we have to engage with china and make the case to china. one the most important things to come out of the g7 was the idea of building back a better world if the green initiative. that is a way -- >> i'm going to my questions, if you will forgive me. p.m. johnson: it is your prerogative. >> i'm adjusted in your answers to my questions, not the questions you wish i had asked. he said in 2019 the digital authoritarianism is not a dystopian fantasy come but an emerging reality. how is that compatible with the government's recent decision to not calling a full investigation? p.m. johnson: this is a difficult business. this relates to a chip manufacturer in wales.
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i've asked national security advisor to review -- >> so it reviewed? p.m. johnson: we will look at it again. >> you told me -- p.m. johnson: -- to deal with it. what i can tell you, tom, his things to this government -- is thanks to this government, we are able to take action. >> i'm delighted. it is not you -- p.m. johnson: i want to stress on this issue, and there will be others. don't forget, this is the government where when i came in, we took steps to extricate this country. >> i remember.
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p.m. johnson: so this government is spending a huge quantity of taxpayer money to make sure we get out of our telecommunications networks out of the critical -- [indiscernible] i do not want anti-china to lease esther and pitchfork away every investment from china -- [indiscernible] >> if i may, there is a different between investment to the purchase of technology. we are seeing here is a company that is chinese backed. piercing a chinese state backed entity buying a semiconductor manufacturer when beijing is already looking -- if china
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think this is a matter of their national security and central to their sovereignty, if brussels, the u.s., if other countries agree and other entities agree, why don't you? p.m. johnson: i think semiconductors are fusion points to this country. one of the things i want to look at them neatly it became prime minister is whether we could become more self-reliant. it would cost about 9 billion pounds for us to build a semiconductor factory. a lot of money during a pandemic when thinking about what to do. there is a company that makes a lot of semiconductors and ireland. but there is a company in newport. we have to judge whether the start they are making his real intellectual property, valued interest china. whether the real secured implications, i have asked national security advisor to look at it.
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>> you mentioned the pandemic, and i'm delighted you did, because your decision on 1.71 .5 must be a difficult decision as you committed so publicly, clearly and frequently. we are seeing a cut in the budget going to local medicine and global vaccines and global vaccines in a time when we know interconnectedness globally goes from 150 million pounds to 17 million pounds. at a time we are seeing variance coming in all over the world and likely to see more in the near future, will you be making sure there is a vote in parliament on the issue, and will you be looking to reverse such cuts? p.m. johnson: again, i am getting disagreement in your characterization of what this government is doing. because, actually, we talk about
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vaccines, we put 1.5 billion of u.k. taxpayer money into supporting covax, and i think -- >> and that's brilliant -- p.m. johnson: i want to my people watching, of the vaccines developed nations have distribute it so far, roughly one third come as a result of the efforts of the u.k. government, those are distributed at cost. that is the direct result of u.k. government action. people should be proud of that. >> we are talking about -- p.m. johnson: very big sums of money in a pandemic when we have had to spend four 7 billion pounds -- 470 billion pounds looking after the welfare families in the country. >> thank you.
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very grateful to you. >> thank you. prime minister, to talk about the ambitions you got from net zero. 37 a year is so dependent on the consumption of fossil fuel in greenhouse gas emissions. 37 billion, the same price. 28 billion is fuel duty alone. can you give the public and idea of how your wing to fill that gap in revenue? -- how you will fill that gap in revenue? p.m. johnson: you're making an incredible good point. if you are talking but the fiscal impact of moving to green technology and the implications of that, as you phase out hydrocarbon vehicles, you phase at tell combustion engine vehicles, you phase out -- >> the binge did and what your thoughts -- -- the public would
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be interested in your thoughts -- p.m. johnson: we will start to see a loss of revenue. what i don't want to do, and let it be said now, i salsa misreporting, misunderstandings. -- saw some misreporting, misunderstandings. i don't want those to go up to compensate. that is not the way forward. >> is there anything on the table at that is off the table? p.m. johnson: that is a matter i would not presume to dissipate. the fiscal options of the chancellor's budget or any other fiscal event. >> [indiscernible] a major statement about how we plan public expenditure on taxation over the next decade? p.m. johnson: i didn't follow
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the chancellor for making major statements. >> was he encouraging you to do that? p.m. johnson: i think -- you will find he had a lot to say. >> very good. we are moving on to the covid pandemic. i will start with greg clark. >> i would like to ask you about some of the lessons that can be learned so far and respond to the pandemic. but before i do, i'd like to ask a couple of quick questions of current concern. the first is, why shouldn't double vaccination british get to go on holiday to spain? p.m. johnson: i think the double vaccination -- and principal in practice, it is going to be great. you can already see the benefits.
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to vaccines, whether of pfizer astrazeneca, they offer a lot of protection. you will find that if you can contain patient a little bit -- patients -- patience a little bit -- i would not want to steal his thunder. >> what i missed it in is your instinct on the guides for countries which states you should not travel to and blessed countries -- [indiscernible] p.m. johnson: i don't want to anticipate are still the thunder of sec. state of transport. what i can say? double vaccination offers massive potential -- >> there are guidance and requirements -- p.m. johnson: you will see a lot more.
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the crucial thing is to remember, currently, we need to contain the pandemic. [indiscernible] >> when contact of people with covid no longer have to isolate, is the 16th of august the date you expect us to return to be unity? -- reach herd immunity? p.m. johnson: it is the time by which we feel there will be much more progress made in vaccination, even more than the 19th of july. all of these decisions are bouts of risk. by the 16th of august, we will have gotten many more jabs and people's arms, many more young and healthy people.
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many more vaccinations, which is a good thing. >> they are the most reluctant against -- p.m. johnson: sure, and sorry they have had to wait. >> isn't the case that until he gets that point on the 16th of august, people who have been jabbed twice will have to isolate even if they have had a negative covid test? p.m. johnson: we are asking people -- i know how frustrating it is. because, i'm afraid this is a highly contagious disease. we have to do what we can to stop the spread. that is the best -- >> have any contacts lots sleep during the extra 28 days -- will have to isolate during the next 28 days --
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p.m. johnson: i haven't seen any data on that. it will depend on the numbers. >> has house sec. has said there could be 100,000 infections a day. each of those has two contacts each. that is 200,000 a day. the course of that is 28 days, the extra days that a been imposed. that's over 5 million people. is that a reasonable step? have you considered how any hospital admissions that is going to prevent? p.m. johnson: we have been looking at all of the data and trying to strike -- what i want -- [indiscernible] you could say, looking into the dispense [indiscernible]
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you would be effectively allowing many more people to be vectors of disease. by contending with the plans. >> dino how many fewer hospital met admissions would result from that -- do you know how any fewer hospital admissions would result from that? p.m. johnson: test, trace and isolate has made a massive difference to the disease. >> at the very least, you should be able to be tested for covid rather than to isolate for that. period. there is more likely people will comply with guidance if there is a way out of it, if negative. p.m. johnson: we are moving to
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testing. [indiscernible] we keep all data. we will be open -- the sensible approach is to retain the tune of asking people to protect others from the disease, no matter how many -- >> one last question. obviously, we are going to have the public light is all over. [indiscernible] what would you do differently, given experience, moji the same? -- and what would you do the
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same? p.m. johnson: that is a big question. if you ask me what things have we started to do differently and where we adapted -- that is a good question. since the beginning of the pandemic, what did we learn? it was clear we didn't have all the data we needed. we didn't have it all in one place or on the right place. every morning now, i go straight into a meeting where i can see pre-much what is happening in any hospital in the country. i can break down by age, bivariate type, -- by variant type, i can see pretty much what is happening. we have data we didn't have
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before. diagnostics was an obvious thing. we did not know how to make a lateral flow test when we began. we did not have the technology in this country. we now do. we now have a diagnostics industry that is growing, ppe -- we remember how difficult that was. we have lessons learned on the way. we have the ability to make 80% of our ppe in this country. vaccine technology. the single most important thing, and how much you care about this. the single most important thing that i have learned is the massive benefits to our country, our society and economy in investing in science.
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you cannot have a clear object lesson in the discovery of the oxford vaccine commit the impact that is having on our ability to open up our society in a way that otherwise, we could not. >> i certainly agree with that. >> we are running out of time. we will press on. >> [indiscernible] recommended the 20 pound a week universal credit should be made permit -- per minute -- permanent. they made the same call. how do you respond to that call? p.m. johnson: i understand why people want to continue to
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invest and support the poorest ned is in the society, and that is what -- poorest and neediest in the society, that's what we will do. we will continue with an increase in pay for workers, which we have done. we are increasing national living wage, given councils huge sums to help those in greatest need. i think 4 million families have been helped by the council tax bills. he referred to the universal credit uplift amongst many other things that we have done. they are huge. part of the ford 70 billion -- of the 470 billion. we come to the inflection point in this pandemic will we start to lift the nonpharmaceutical interventions.
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these are to on society. -- lift the restraints on society. as we move beyond, we have to have a different emphasis. the emphasis is getting people into work and getting people into jobs. >> do you have an estimate? do you think they don't understand? p.m. johnson: i have huge respect for all of those people and i understand where they're coming from. that this is the government is placing his on coming out of the pandemic with a strong, jobs live recovery. >> unemployment be at its lowest level in 30 years. half a million people will be pushed below the poverty line.
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including 200,000 children. the universal allowance will be cut by one quarter. can all the damage be justified? p.m. johnson: i think the answer to that is to get people -- you know what is actually happening just in the last few months? you've seen predictions for unemployment are 2 million fewer than we were told they were going to be. virtually all the rest of the g7, they can see rates at precrisis levels. the number of people on the payroll has been rising for five consecutive months. there are now 2 million people still on, and you are right to draw attention to that. if you look at what is happening in the jobs market, the problem
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at the moment is most colleagues would testify is a shortage of labor, though the shortage of drugs. >> but the 20 pounds a week will affect a large number of people. p.m. johnson: the best way forward is to get people to higher wage, higher skilled jobs. that is the ambition of the government, and if he asked me to make a choice between more welfare or better, higher paying jobs, i'm going for better, higher paying jobs. >> will you refuse policy between now and september? p.m. johnson: we keep every thing under constant review. i have given you a clear steer bubble main stinks are. -- about what my instincts are. not just kickstart, but restart
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the job into trading scheme and help people into work. that should be our mission. >> got a recent different point? in february, in the chamber, the government is worried about the increase in online fraud. the treasury committee, the comet authority, they have all called for the online safety bill to tackle scams. why is the government unwilling to make that change? p.m. johnson: nowhere -- i am very concerned that we should tackle fraud. the bill does just that. [indiscernible]
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>> it is a four small part of the problem. it doesn't do it for online advertising. it seems to be i longer-term track and causing huge problems. i'm running if you could look at the current online bill -- wondering if you could look at the current online bill and see what you can change. p.m. johnson: there is a wide range of content. if you feel it is in some way inadequate, i am more than happy to look at it. but i know one of the key objectives of the online safety bill is to tackle online fraud. >> thank you. >> thank you. education. >> thank you, chair. we've got hyperinflation in the schools was 640,000 people being sent home compared to the week
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before. they've identified 93,005 hundred goes children who have not returned to school since they were sent home. there also exams often with gc's next summer, missing one in four days of face-to-face teaching. the 3 billion catch up program is usually welcome, but what is your long-term plan to address endemic people, people who have not been back to school, and establish a level playing field so that all students have a fair crack at the whip to the exams next year? p.m. johnson: i know how much you care about this. you campaign on this issue, and you are right. what has happened over the last 18 months has been debilitating
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for many children. there is no question they have lost and constable -- lost a lot of time. it is the single most important investment we can make. in addition to the 14 billion we are putting into education to begin with, we have a catch-up plan for 3 billion. before we come to anything then chancellor may do -- but that focuses on -- what that focuses on come in the thing that works and i found that parents and teachers respond to his more direct one to two, one to one teaching and focusing on the needs of the individual child.
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and drying out where they are going wrong and focusing on that. >> i am with you on that. i support the catch-up plan. 3 billion is a significant sum of money. but we know the catch-up program thus far is just reaching 44% of those on free school. it should be focused on the most disadvantaged, and it does not address the endemic absence of 93,500 children who are not in school virtually for most of the time. there is a sense of social justice. why do we not direct the way the catch-up program is running and expand the troubled families program to try and get these children back into school? p.m. johnson: i know how unbelievably frustrating it is for parents and people at the
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moment because of the numbers out of school due to the isolation policy. being sent home. i understand why schools have been taking the actions that they have, they want to stop the spread of covid. they are right. i fully support them. but the best thing is to move from a bubbling to testing. as i was saying to greg, that is one thing that will help us to keep more kids in school. there are plenty of other children who are losing school time for other reasons, as a think you are hinting. we need to deal with that in a determined way. there will be more i want to do
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on time in school, and making sure we invest in the school timetable. >> finally, just to be clear, you will have a focus on the kids, i called in the goes children, not having been back in school since when they fully reopened in march. do not think there should be a long-term plan for education, which is significant part of it would require a longer school day, not just for academic catch-up of activities such as sport and well-being? what more needs to be done to convince you, as prime minister in the treasury, that a fully funded, long-term claim they longer school day is worth supporting and giving proper resources to? p.m. johnson: we're are looking at the evidence, and if i am frank with you and the committee, some of the evidence was not as good as it could have been. the evidence on timetable,
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lengthening the school day was not as powerful as it was on tuition, for instance. but that doesn't mean it is not the right thing to do. i do think it is the right thing to do. the question is, how you do it over activities -- as enrichment come academic? what is the mixture? we are doing a proper review to get the evidence we want, but in the meantime, over the summer come all the summer schools and holiday activity fund a big effort to help kids catch up before september. >> will you look at the troubled families program to try and wrap the students back into school? other means to try and get these kids back at the school, because they are not going to be helped by the catch-up plan as it is.
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p.m. johnson: i understand. you're making a good point. you run the risk of a circular problem, you keep missing the same group. i will look at what we can do. >> thank you. >> thank you. could we spare a thought for the teachers, because the house service -- the teachers have taken a burden. p.m. johnson: you are complete right. >> and the supporting staff. don't forget them. p.m. johnson: they have done an incredible job. i'm also interested in that she could to some schools in you can see -- you go to some schools and you can see they are incredibly resilient. they bounced there without any problems, but that is not the case by any means for any child in this country. -- every child in this country. >> can you ask the education
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secretary to make sure they get a break this summer from initiatives to ms. department -- from his,\ department, which is been contradictory? p.m. johnson: i will do everything i can. i understand that point. i would plead in mitigation and forgiveness from our wonderful teachers, it is been difficult to work out how to keep that -- some things going and work at examinations. >> can i add, the challenge many teachers face currently which they are off school with covid and that is causing huge difficulty for schools and compounding the issues of catch-up. i echo with the select committee
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chair has said. i wanted to ask you about that. the education policy institute calculated the education catch-up spending is around 19% of what the u.s. is spending and 12% of what the netherlands is spending. how do you explain that? p.m. johnson: i don't recognize it because i don't agree with them. >> the actual figures -- p.m. johnson: the 14 billion we invested in education, 40.4 billion, which took funding for every private school people up to 4000 pounds ahead of funding and 5000 pounds for secondary school. we began with massive investments and have added another 3 billion. there will be more to come. >> the overall spending on
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catch-up is 310 pounds per head. in the u.s., it is 1600 pounds per head. netherlands is 2.5 thousand pounds per head. this pandemic has been in norma's on young people. -- enormous on young people. why do you feel we don't have to help them catch up and make the best going forward? p.m. johnson: that is not how i see it. we are making a 20 billion pound investment already, and there'll be more to come. >> moving on to the impact of current covid numbers, and the potential impact when restrictions are released on the 19th of july. you said on many occasions, you don't have the date set, which is concerning, because the impacts on current covid levels especially in the northeast where there is a surge, we are seeing as this is unable to function and hospitality
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businesses having to close. nurseries for example, have to maintain legal ratios of staff to children to stay open. there are many in the workforce who are not double vaccinated, so cases are skyrocketing. they are to turn families awaits me 10 ratios. which families do think they should prioritize? -- a way to maintain ratios. p.m. johnson: we have to use the tools we have in the form of isolation to get to this particular phase. you talk about businesses closing. the angst of the vaccine rollout, we were able to get through to step three. now, looks like we will get
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through to step four, which will allow them to open up fully without the need for the money to roll. that is the most positive thing that can happen. >> that is all in theory. the reality is that businesses are facing staffing issues with many having to isolate and therefore not being able to function as businesses. it is in many industries. particularly those industries were a lot of young people are employed. does the prime minister have the data for the relaxations he is proposing and how those businesses are going to be affected over the next two to three months, given we already seen the impact of high covid levels in areas like the northeast? p.m. johnson: i think it is possible to argue simultaneously that businesses need to be able to be more open.
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can propose -- [indiscernible] >> that is not the argument i'm making. p.m. johnson: you cannot have it both ways. >> i am asking for the data. p.m. johnson: i have been very clear that we have data about authorizations and predictions for where they might go. where they are available. you can look at them. they are speculative at the moment. we are tracking and about the middle of the projections before the third wave. if we went ahead with all the openings. the middle to low end of the
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projections that they made, if you look at the graphs. >> the current crisis has put many new parents, particularly mothers at risk of redundancy. two years ago, the government announced they would extend regency protection to new mothers returning to work. what is this going to happen? -- when is this going to happen? p.m. johnson: we want to help everybody get back. >> but when is the protection going to happen that has been promised? p.m. johnson: i cannot give you an answer to that particular. all i can certainly tell you is that come at the moment, the problem is not so much a shortage of jobs or a of vacancies, the problem is a shortage of labor. >> that it doesn't stop women returning from maternity leave. remaining redundant.
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p.m. johnson: i don't want to see that happen. [indiscernible] >> can you let us know when you will bring that in? p.m. johnson: of course i will let you know about that. but our intention is to help everybody coming back from maternity leave to get into work . >> thank you. >> thank you. can you tell me what specific initiatives ministers are bringing forward to build back in a more feminine and gender-neutral way? p.m. johnson: caroline, we are doing everything we can to ensure we have a recovery that -- as i was saying this now, that gets our women back to the workforce. i know they have had in
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particular problems -- making sure we get everybody back to work in a way that is fair across both sexes. actually, if you look at what has happened with furlough, according to the revolution foundation, 52% -- they've attracted more female recipients than male. which i think is positive. >> women are more likely to be in sectors that were shut down longer. what level of female employment do you regard as evidence that we have built back in a more then way? -- in a more feminine way?
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p.m. johnson: we want to make sure we have female employment rising across the board. have employment rising across the board. the resolution foundation said the economic impact of covid has been surprisingly equal for men and women. that doesn't mean there aren't specific problems, like the one that is just been referred to on returning from maternity leave. we must address. >> but your own ministers won't publish economic impact assessments on furlough. so we don't know from the government's own figures with the impact has been across different genders. p.m. johnson: i'm quoting from the resolution foundation. >> how about putting from economic assessments from your own office? p.m. johnson: as you know, all policies under public safety
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quality duty and equality act will be scrutinized for their impact under groups. the information i have is the gender pay gap is at a record low. we have 1.9 million more women in work then there were in 2010. [indiscernible] -- up around 50%. at 50% increase in women on footsie. those are, i think, pretty useful metrics. >> should policies for recovery be in the round or targeted those who are most impacted by covid? p.m. johnson: we want to have a recovery that it looks like -- looks after everybody in society
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. everyone, everywhere. if i think back to 28 and that crisis, when we came out of it, i am not certain we did do with a sense of injustice and inequality. we have a huge job to do now as a conservative government to level up and unite across the whole country. that is what we are going to do. >> you can't post a single policy or initiative that is going to be billed back in a more feminine and gender-neutral way? just one? p.m. johnson: i mentioned -- i mentioned what we have done by reducing the gender pay gap. if you look at, let's give you an example. look at the foreign office, for instance. we now have female -- which is
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leading, if you once again more feminine approach to tackling climate change, it is our diplomats around the world in washington, new york, beijing, or female. so in many -- they are the people at the tip of the u.k. mission to build back better for the world. if you look at our climate change negotiators, half of them are female. they are doing a fantastic job, as i was saying earlier on. they have succeeded in building back better for britain and the world by getting 70% of the world's economy to commit to getting to net zero by 2050. that is a fantastic achievement by british women.
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>> but he didn't get the financial pledges from the g7 -- p.m. johnson: i am beginning to find that you will find fellow that was anything we did, with the respect. -- find fault with anything we did, with respect. women represented in this government as they are, abundantly, will surprise you by what they achieved to build back better and more feminine way. send me a postcard. >> our goal is free to make things better so you can fight, prime minister. >> what is your message to people living in serious overcrowding?
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who are working but can't afford -- what support are you going to give to those people who need better housing? p.m. johnson: this government -- you mention my time as mayor, i'm glad -- [indiscernible] it gives me the opportunity to point out the -- >> i am asking when you are doing as prime minister. prime minister. if you want to to if you wanted to -- let me finish. do you know up rents are -- what private rents are -- p.m. johnson: this government
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increased local housing again to tackle precisely that -- >> that doesn't tackle overcrowding. p.m. johnson: when you get to supply [indiscernible] i built far more. across the u.k., we had this last year. a record number of housing starts. the concern is -- >> my point is your own government -- prime minister, your government cannot tell us how may social housing units have been built. for many people, particularly my constituency, cannot purchase and cannot rent. p.m. johnson: do not forget we
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build more council homes in one year than your labour party did in 13 years. i wouldn't take any lessons about building social -- i built more than the current mayor has done or will do, and by the way, i disagree with you, respectfully about people's ambitions -- i think social housing is of massive importance. we must build more social housing. people's in the 20's and 30's -- >> you are playing games. i have nothing against homeownership. many people sibley can't afford it. -- simply can't afford it. >> respectfully, as part of the discourse, can remove on to post brexit impact? -- we move on to put brexit
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impact? >> since it happened, there has been a lot of activity. it becomes clear that scotland doesn't want union strength. p.m. johnson: i am not at all sure that is true. you and i [laughter] i think there was a vote in 2014, it was pretty clear what the people of scotland wanted. it was decisive. in terms of the union, just look at it. in a dispassionate way, the strength of our, institutions was really palpable during the pandemic. >> what i am looking at, and i will let you know -- what was elected two months ago was a
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majority in nsp's who feel independence -- there seems to be an uptick. [indiscernible] p.m. johnson: but what i do what? >> [no audio] [indiscernible] the internal market -- a heavy wind approach -- to do things to us. i don't think it can be bad for concision parts of the union to have their trading strengthened, different ship strengthened, their means of easy communication strengthened.
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their roots from one part of the union to another strengthened. it seems to be a good thing, something that is pretty hard to want to go against. >> your former senior advisor said you are an unthinking union is two things it was a disaster that would like to diverse -- that is pretty [indiscernible] p.m. johnson: i was -- i was a massive beneficiary of devolution. as i said earlier, it was the labor government's decision in the late 90's to follow the john smith package and evolve. -- and evolve -- devolve. it enabled me to become mayor of london. when i was mayor of london, you
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didn't find the industry tackling the so-called government didn't find them trying to shuffle blame and responsibility -- >> that's the thing. p.m. johnson: the problem is not with devolution, but the party in power. [indiscernible] >> it seems to crop up quite a bit. when you are sticking to mps, he said it was the biggest mistake, -- p.m. johnson: i think there are disastrous aspects of scottish government, scottish national parties before -- performance in delivering education, and fighting crime, and tackling the scourge of drugs.
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i think they have been laminate of all failures. the difficult thing for me as prime minister of the u.k. -- it is difficult. i love the whole u.k., i one else succeed. it is hard to say that something is going wrong in scotland. i don't want to do that. i want scotland to brilliantly governed. it should be. i think they are not delivering what could. >> could you talk the achievements into giving yourself that position? p.m. johnson: i think would be -- i will leave that to others. when we give you example of the strength.
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it became obvious to me during the pandemic. the role of the british army in rolling out not just the vaccine but the testing centers -- the vaccine rollout can be broadly countered in the chamber of government. i would say the union played a massive role in the development of the vaccine, maybe even the whole testing. you've asked me, i am going to -- i have given you an example. it was fantastic to go to glasgow and see the work of scientists and students testing samples that came from kent. it was thanks to the work of
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those glasgow scientists that we were able to identify -- >> i am saying specifically -- [indiscernible] are you coming back to scullin for another steak asian this summer? -- for another stay asian -- staycation this summer? >> thank you very much. [indiscernible] with brexit comes trade deals. we are the principal trade deal which we welcome and what it brings with it is in the future 100,000 tons -- we've got great
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plans across the country. what we need to do now is going to grind to export to australia and export all across the world. what are you going to put in place to help us get the great british, and i do say british coming get across the world. p.m. johnson: we are doing a massive [indiscernible] we have staff in 119 markets dedicated to supporting u.k. food and drink. in june, the deal was done. we are sitting poultry to japan for the first time. in march of last year, we
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finally broke down the barriers to british beef going to america. i need take a lot of interest in british beef, new be thrilled to worth of beef to the united states and it is just sitting on the ledge. it is beef. i am sure british farming will find plenty of other opportunities around the world we greatly welcome -- >> we got a counselor in beijing, and that's about all we have. you've got the australians in locations across the world and they spend $20 million. even our embassy, we need to have -- to promote our british food. if we would really get all of the flatfoot, because trade is
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not only one way come again, it is going out. if you want to build a greater environment for our food, we have got grass fed beef that has got to be sold at a profit. we have got to get back into foreign markets. what are we going to do to have these counselors across the world? can you give a commitment to do that? p.m. johnson: i love your attitude and you are right. to be optimistic. it is the future. , but what i wanted to do was actually, your point -- p.m. johnson: what we wanted to do is -- actually, you will find as you go around our embassies there is always a there's always
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somebody there who knows what to do. we want to have the agriculture themselves know where the opportunities are. what we should be doing, i think is in a much more crisp way, summarizing the opportunities, giving them to the -- >> that is what these food counselors particularly do in all of these countries. they go back to their country and say, this is the way to get into the market. this is to help the small businesses, the farms, everybody get out there into china, far east, wherever. that is why we need these food counselors. p.m. johnson: i totally agree with that. there should be somebody in every embassy around the world who has that responsibility. but i also want to put pounds into giving sme's the information they need on their side.
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we need to join them up. we need to join up the british food business, with all its amazing diversity, we need to join up the manufacturers, the entrepreneurs, all of the people who are making this stuff, with the network so that they know what to plant. >> we are in total agreement, but the one thing i haven't got from you is, are you going to put those resources -- p.m. johnson: yes. internationalization -- >> within those embassies we have those food counselors. i am sorry to press it, but we must make sure we do it. p.m. johnson: you have in 119 markets -- countries -- we have specific staff dedicated to agricultural food and drink. >> and you will put those -- p.m. johnson: i would go back and make sure that we have
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somebody specifically devoted to increasing exports. what we also need to do is build up the networks so that people -- so that the businesses in this country, many cells within this country, start to think about exports as well. that is why we are putting 25 million to export finance for food and drink, but also 38 million to build up the network. >> thank you, prime minister. i will take you up on your offer. p.m. johnson: i hope to see -- >> can we add that topic to the letter? p.m. johnson: we can. >> can what i also ask if you prime minister that you would include a note on the figures of hospital admissions if isolation was ended on the 19th of july rather than the 16th of august? p.m. johnson: i will see what i can do. >> can i just also add one of
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their brexit hangover, we used to export musicians and talent across the european union. this is very severely threatened. it was raised in the last session, and it seems the eu is still digging in on the question of a waiver for touring artists. in your talks with chancellor merkel, did you get an opportunity to raise this with her? p.m. johnson: germany is one of the better countries on this issue. we didn't specifically discuss this at our recent meeting, but the germans are better than others. about 17 eu members are good, seven not so. we are working on it to sort it out.
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and we will. the proposal that -- for a total visa waiver is interesting. it would have to ask yourself what other professions could you include? it is hard to see where you would draw the line. and, you can paint heroically for taking back control of our borders, and for coming out of the eu, we wouldn't want to accidentally traverse that in this particular case by gradual erosion of our freedom. so, we are making a great deal of progress. i appreciate how frustrating it is, and i know that sir elton john is in talks with other eu
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partners about how to speed this up. but, i feel it is very much in their interests. this is something that all societies benefit from. i hope it will be speedily resolved. >> i think i would have enjoyed asking chancellor merkel who wants to stop cultural exchange? because we would not stop visiting artists coming to our own country, but we are losing people from london permanently that are going to take up residencies in other countries with eu citizenship because they can't pursue their careers by staying in london. >> i hope that we are not, and the evidence does not seem -- does not seem to support the view that we are losing all nationals -- >> british citizens taking up citizenship in other countries.
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their career opportunities are so limited. it is a very serious problem. p.m. johnson: i know that you are a distinguished and famous --, and i hope that your own gigs have not been restricted as a result of this so far. i will make sure that we can do what we can. >> i have been resting for some time. [laughter] >> we now move on to simon. >> good afternoon prime minister. i think you and i will agree that there is nothing in the northern ireland protocol which in any way affects negatively the constitutional integrity of our united kingdom. while you and i might see that and understand that, there is a growing group of people who live in northern ireland who are very
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concerned that the protocol is in some way a steppingstone to a border -- referendum and the like. in a number of sessions we have had recently in the committee, it has become clear that they want to hear in the clearest possible terms from you, your support for northern ireland as part of the u.k., its continuation as part of the u.k. whilst it wishes to be so, and the termination to maintain the great union -- the determination to maintain the great union. p.m. johnson: i have just been called a nonthinking unionist by might -- by my friends. i do not think i am an unthinking unionist, i think i am a passionate unionist. i believe in our country and of the way it works and the formations of coming together,
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it is a fantastic thing. it is the greatest global advertisement for cooperation. it is a wonderful thing and we want to strengthen it, not in an interfering way, but we want to strengthen it and there is absolutely no threat to northern ireland's place within the united kingdom, there should not be. there should not be from the protocol. it is clear in article 6-2 that all sides are asked to use their best endeavors to ensure there is free trade, seamless movement between great britain and northern ireland. it is clear that northern ireland is part of the sovereign territory of the united kingdom. that is all clear from the protocol.
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the unfortunate thing is that the protocol is being applied currently in a way that causes some of the anxieties to which you have just referred. >> i do want to come onto that point. thank you for the clarity, that is appreciated. i know it will be heard across northern ireland. the joint committee was clearly set up because it was known that the protocol at the start was not going to be perfect and that there were going to be issues. that is best done through a position of mutual political trust. business, we keep hearing, will abide by whatever rules that we as politicians require as long as there's certainty and clarity. what value would you put on that
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issue of political trust in the workings of the joint committee with a bit of give and take, which is not always palatable to some, but a bit of give-and-take to both sides to make sure the protocol is working as well as it can so that those benefits of 1 foot in both markets, which is a unique selling point, can be maximized? p.m. johnson: spot on. what is needed now is goodwill and imagination, but there are serious problems. you know the statistics of all of the checks that are conducted around the perimeter of the eu for customs and other purposes. 20% taking place in northern ireland, although i think the island of ireland has -- percent of the eu population.
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you have got a very difficult situation in which vital drugs have not been able to be moved from great britain to northern ireland. drugs including cancer drugs. about 200 companies have stopped shipping. there have been impediments to the movement of guide dogs, parcels, potted plants, tractor parts, i am right in saying that asta they do not actually have a is d.a. -- shops in ireland, but as the goods coming into northern ireland have all to be checked. only yesterday, there were serious representations from the jewish community in northern ireland who pointed out that
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because of the problem with the food sector, it was becoming difficult for them to have timely access -- any access -- to kosher food. they are talking now about an exit is from northern ireland by the jewish community. clearly, we want to do everything we can to avoid that. and to sort it out, but it is going to take our friends in the joint committee to make some movement and to make that movement fast. >> what movement would you -- to the u.k. making? to coin the phrase, it takes two to tango? p.m. johnson: i think we have been clear that -- the protocol. the u.k. is a faithful servant of the law. the things that i have described are a direct result of what u.k.
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officials are doing in upholding the law and obeying the eu jurisdiction. the problem is, i think -- and any impersonal listener of this conversation, the way the eu is trying to implement the protocol is currently grossly disproportionate and unnecessary. >> can i just ask one final question, could you say a little about -- our relationship in regards to the republic of ireland? [indiscernible] p.m. johnson: that is a terrific question. the sooner we can put this problem behind us, the better. the relations between london and dublin underlying this issue are fantastic.
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the relations we have both with -- martin, as we had with his predecessor, are very progressive. there are things we want to do. we want to get on and do them. there are things where the u.k. and ireland can work on together. when talking about connectivity, what we can do east-west, what we can do over the border, working together in londonderry, there is a huge amount we can get on and do together to strengthen our friendship and partnership. don't forget, the u.k.'s economic relations with ireland are colossal. there remain one of our biggest export markets and trading partners and friends.
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>> thank you for your patience, but you are going over time. this is the final set of questions from civil cash. p.m. johnson: i am sure our viewers are switching over to the football. [laughter]>> do you agree that one of the primary reasons for us signing the northern ireland protocol was to the -- agreement and that the mutual obligations in the protocol must be seen through that focus. which we do, but unfortunately the eu seems to ignore. i have to admit, they have made one sensible decision on this topic of chilled meats. but, we need more sensible decisions of that kind. do you agree we need them in the immediate future? p.m. johnson: yes we do. meat, by the way, very far from
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fixed. all we have is a stay of execution there. this is what the jewish community was saying in northern ireland, they are facing a real problem unless we can sort this out. i agree totally with your characterization of the problem. we understand the vital importance of protecting free movement north-south and protecting the -- making sure there should be no hard border. that is the whole point. we have done that. it has been a massive effort. what we agreed was that to make that happen in a reasonable way, we would undertake to do certain checks on stuff that could circulate, in theory, in ireland itself, after arrival in northern ireland. that is what we overtook to do, not to look after the eu posits
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-- ceo's single marketer, which they wanted us to do. we also agreed that the eu could have a say in which this is done. that has been the problem. they have been implementing the protocol in a way which is reducing the types of anomalies that i have been describing. we need to fix it. >> given the unique circumstances of the northern -- of the northern ireland situation which is both deeply historical and political, do you agree that we must also focus on stability? without in any way apologizing -- and to pick up on what simon was saying -- allowing the constitutional integrity of northern ireland as an invaluable part of the united kingdom?
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p.m. johnson: that is what it says in the protocols. >> i think that is a very -- p.m. johnson: i think that is a very fair point. what we all need to do is work rapidly on some solutions, fix this thing fast. i think it will take some effort, but we really can't exclude anything. we've got many actions the government needs to take at times to protect what it says in the protocol. the east-west dimension of the good friday agreement, which is equally as important as the north-south dimension, and to protect the territory and integrity of the u.k.. >> how often do we have to say to them, it is in our mutual interest to be flexible about this? actually, the truth is, we will get this right -- you have to have mutual cooperation and
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flexibility. p.m. johnson: that's right. the noble lord frost will continue to make that point. with his diplomatic force. >> they couldn't be -- of the protocol actually does -- the possibility of superior arrangements to the protocol. p.m. johnson: it does. >> if that is going to be affecting -- and treating the two communities with more parity and fairness, that would be the right way forward. p.m. johnson: completely right. it cap -- it cannot be -- as others have been saying for at least five years, but technology. to come to our aid and sorted out. >> make you have been very patient staying. order, order.
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