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tv   Cindy Mc Cain Ben Affleck Rep. Karen Bass Disuss U.S. Investment in Africa  CSPAN  July 4, 2021 1:06am-1:56am EDT

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and i am a genuine, i hope that we can have another conversation on the issue. when we look at the "s", it is always given the fewest number of words in those types of disclosure statements. a lot of work that can be done, but i you again -- th >> next, representative karen bass and actor ben affleck join us on a discussion as part of the mccain institute 2021 sedona forum and is moderated by former arizona senator jeff blake. >> hi, i'm former senator jeff flake and this is a panel on the future of africa. so pleased today to be joined by a wonderful panel of experts here. representative karen bass has
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been involved in africa for as long as i can remember being on capitol hill. i've had the good fortune of traveling in africa and seeing the dedication that she brings to her job, chairing the africa subcommittee for so long and be so involved in these efforts. cindy mccain needs no introduction. her involvement in work around the globe -- humanitarian work around the globe are certainly well-known and recognized, most recently you heard the news, the important -- appointment by the biden administration. also ben affleck. i've been acquainted with the work he's done. we awful -- bristle in congress when hollywood stars come in. with ben affleck, he knows what he's talking about.
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he's put in time and resources and effort into this and become a real expert on these issues and can lend some advocacy work in all that he does. so, we look forward to this discussion. and let me just get it started off. representative bass, with regard to foreign policy, it's often said that politics stops at the water's edge. we know that's not completely true. with regard to africa, it's more true than not. can you talk a little bit about that and talk about some of the initiatives that you have going with your colleagues, both in your own party and across the aisle? what is going on most recently? first of all, thank you for including me in this conversation. i admire the work of the institute tremendously and it is an absolute honor to be involved.
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one thing so important and you know this senator: the legislation, the hearings around africa is a very bipartisan issue. i will say that just like in the u.s. and around the world, we are focused on covid and making sure that covid does not really devastate the continent. the continent overall has done pretty well with a couple of exceptions, south africa and egypt. we are dealing with the crisis at hand. however, long-term looking at africa out from the point of view of investment, talking about the continent as a partner as opposed to what the tradition has been which is viewing it as a charity case. that is how we have approached the continent. focusing on conflicts, humanitarian issues, but not focusing on long-term investment. the 40 left the senate, the --
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that will be a catalyst towards u.s. companies, businesses investing in the continent of africa. >> thank you. you have been going for many decades. you have seen the decade emerge from wars and famine. a lot of conflicts persist. there are opportunities as well. what do you think are the most important things of the u.s. can do and if you can talk about what representative bachus -- bass spoke about, and how amick -- africa can be a partner not a unitarian case. what you think is the most important thing we can do right now? >> number one in my mind is to focus on women. women's rights, the issues that face women. we know all the stories that
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come out of africa. unfortunately, they are all bad. i think we as the u.s. should focus on women. they're the backbone of their society. since the informal section of african society is important, women play in important role in the economics and they are not really counted as part of that. they are looked over. it is expected but not grazed in any way. i guess my belief would have to do more with our partners in africa to involve involve more women, certainly women in politics. that is something they institute and are very involved in. eastern congo was training women and helping them understand the process and their ability to actually participate in the process. we have had some success.
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the more leadership in my mind and the more opportunity in my mind for women. this includes women's health. not just the economic portion but women's health in many cases is very undersized. all of that together in my opinion would be some of the most important things we could do for the continent. >> thank you. then, you have been involved in the eastern congo for over a decade. you've taken on what is perhaps one of the world's poorest countries. a country that has severe challenges. what got you involved and talk about your work with eastern congo initiative. >> i agree. it is a country that has a lot of difficulties. one thing that got me involved -- thank you very much for having me.
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thank you everybody. it is a real honor to be here and participate and yes, i know there's some hesitance towards people from hollywood. [laughter] >> i understand no other stars were available today. [laughter] >> anyway, i got involved because of precisely what you said. this is one of the most challenged laces on the continent. initially when i got involved and cindy got involved in this part of the world, since the mid-90's. since the preeminence. i am no expert in that regard. having spent more than a decade there, because of the war that happened there and the degree to which the country was destabilized was such that even many ngos were not interested to work there. they're interested in having celebrities dissipate in various
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capacities in certain courses. i understand the cynicism around that. there is undeniably a degree of disingenuousness nest -- and the part of those who are not. in fact, here is a place where other people are not willing to go or do much work aside from cindy, really. there was nobody of any particular with the ability to generate any sort of interest or enthusiasm on part of the world community or press in terms of paying attention to what was a profound humanitarian crisis. it was a war that cost millions of lives. i thought well, here is a place i can do some good. i also did not want to be the person who was a celebrity who comes and testifies and spends 45 minutes overlooking talking
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points. and regurgitate them. for one, it is not affected. with the help of wendy williams was been instrumental of this -- in this, we put together a board of impressive people including misses mccain and doing the research that was necessary. i guess principally, making a very long story short, after a lot of research and analysis, we discovered the people doing the best work with the people part of the community. we are not bringing models from elsewhere and imposing them on communities that they never understood any with any familiarity. second of all, i am just a fundamental lever and interconnectedness of human beings. we have seen that covid does not recognize national borders and the u.s. has invested a lot of
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money in taxpayer money, money that we earn. as we came to believe as were spending money through these organizations, it could be spent more effectively or less effectively. i found that what is important to say now and what is important to say at these congressional hearings, one of which i had the honor of testifying in front of senator mccain was that there are real success stories happening. in particular, we learned a lot of lessons with what works and how not to treat africa as a charity case and how to build a
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constituency of people around who recognize the issue with those -- i don't view anybody as any different from those who live on another street or texas from arizona. here we are, we are all people. the idea that we could ignore discover suffering of another because of a different passport seems like a bad motive at best. if we will spend our money and i think we should and we have always believed in being a country that promotes democracy, then this is a particular belief in a very smart one on the part of the republican party that if other countries do well economically, we will do well economically. understanding the interconnectedness of the world economy. this is a very long answer to a simple question.
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our fates are in next wrigley tide. we want people to see that there is an incredibly vibrant, powerful dedicated committee of people working very hard on their behalf to solve their own problems and see, there are ways in which we can actually help. involving communication and those in the international market and those who bought coffee. build their capacity to grow coffee and sell to people. we moved on quite a bit from there. that was the initial thing. >> can you talk a little bit about our work with other international nations whether it is the u.n. or other countries on a bilateral or multilateral basis? i have been fortunate that from
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1989-1990, i spent time in nvidia one resolution for 35 was implemented. i got to see the value of that cooperation and that western contact group that the u.s. support counsel could give finally. the resolution which made it possible for nvidia to become independent. what kind of work is being done right now between u.s. and other multilateral groups? >> first of all, let me say i was excited that president biden appointed linda thomas-greenfield i know you know linda and our other speakers as well, cindy and ben, she has been an africanized, has been an
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ambassador to countries, so we have the tiptop representative in regards to africa, at a lot of what the security council deals with and also the peacekeeping lead by the united nations of the majority of the peacekeeping russians, they are on the -- and the majority of peacekeeping missions are on the continent of africa. our role in the united nations is critical and i'm glad we will be stepping up our involvement, including the support of those peacekeeping missions. when you mention the international front, i want to detour and shift to an experience i had last year when i chaired the congressional black caucus. the whole country was dealing, we still are, with the george floyd case, i received a call from all of the ambassadors from the european union and they were
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undergoing at the time, and i imagine still, their own kind of look at policing in their population. and that brings them to kinship with their former colonies. we are talking about the congo. belgium is really looking back and saying our history with the congo is not pretty. now maybe it is time for us to look at this. i raised this with secretary lincoln, wouldn't -- blinken, wouldn't it be amazing if the united states and the eu, instead of competing, because a lot of times we are competing when it comes to africa in terms of foreign aid and business opportunities, trade agreements, etc., but what if we all came together and said, let us look at the infrastructure of africa. whether we are talking about health care, education, it is
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tough to say you want to invest in a country and there are not roads to take goods to market. so many decades, but for decades some countries don't have electricity. senator, you remember president obama's initiative, see the future, and power africa, which was changing the paradigm from direct aid to helping countries build their own capacity. the slogan out of the african union is trade not aid, that is another way we could -- body we could pay contribution to, helping strengthen, uplift and provide technical support to the african union as well as the new african continental free-trade agreement. all of that helps lift up the countries on the continent. >> thanks. cindy, your husband was all
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about america not looking inward but to form an alliance and working with other countries. what opportunities exist and what have we done recently with regard to africa to make sure that we not only have trade agreements or humanitarian work, but there are alliances that will help us elsewhere in the world? before you say that, it made me think about when it at bass was talking, -- when representative bass was talking, a few years ago chris coons and i went and we met with the head of state. sometimes you hope he does not grant it, it was gaddafi at the time before he left. we had a long, torturous evening with him and he was going on and
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on about every american later, every british prime minister and others who had wronged him and would not meet with him at the u.n. and everywhere else. i had enough and i said, george w. bush after he had trashed him, i said it had something to do with cap tar -- pep talk -- and it helped in southern africa. he stopped and said i will give you that. [laughter] i couldn't wait to come home and tell the former president that he had been praised by him. but these alliances mean something and they help us as well in terms of being able to cooperate on security issues, intelligence gathering and other things. can you talk about that cindy? >> you are absolutely right about the alliances and it is not just the importance of them internally, but externally as
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well. if i can back up just a little bit, one thing i would like to mention is that we had no dust have no alliances, no opportunities, we can't do anything unless we remind ourselves that china and russia have a great deal to do with what is going on inside all of the african continent, and not in a good way. that is an issue that we need to deal with but more importantly, we as americans need to make sure we are involved in africa and we do stay involved with our alliances, our investment, etc.. if we don't, we will wind up with two countries that will destabilize most of africa. you talk about the alliances in general. we are always stronger when we work together. that is plain and simple. there is strength and numbers
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and strength in the ability to listen and care about what is going on, that is very true with alliances and especially in africa. we need to also in my opinion continue our relationship with partners to defend democracy and freedom. it is not just in africa, but around the world. those issues alone can help stop and present a difference in what is good and bad, and what they might see their future as, as you know. when you can't see free elections anywhere on the continent, that has happened, but what is going on in ethiopia right now, that is where i believe our alliances and our ability to analyze have failed us. there are many other parts of africa, too. but we have got to work together on all of these levels to stop,
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to counter authoritarianism generally because we see the results of that and you're meeting with mcgaughey -- your meeting with that man shows. and those of us that get involved do care, and i'm not suggesting anyone does not care about africa, but i have spoken to groups and i know all of you have, where you begin to talk about africa and their eyes lays over and the either leave the room or give you a hopeless look, saying it -- we can't work here. they are too far gone, there's nothing to be gained by this. but i think putting good people from all kinds of alliances and making sure those we do have the right example in the right thing to do, as been said about human beings that are just like us only they have a different passport. i might say also, with regards
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to hollywood, i had an opportunity to watch and work with ben several times and when i first began to know him, i had the same thing, i said oh my god, we are going to parachute in, take a picture and leave. i'm grateful that the kinds of things that ben and of course karen bass have done, they are on the continent of africa and caring for the people is inspiring. i found in been, and -- someone who is very deeply carried up the issue and i want to thank that. he changed my mind about hollywood. >> thank you. your mind may be changed back subsequent to that. but i'm very grateful, kind of
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flattering words, thank you very much. >> a parachute jump into africa lusted over a decade now, so that is why you know so much about it. great hollywood people coming in, members of congress -- that would not be there otherwise. >> i know this is off topic, but i remember walking behind my husband and been in a court or -- been -- ben and a corn door and you hear a clatter of high heels money behind us, john got the biggest kick out of that. for a moment he thought it could be made, and it was. it was hysterical. >> we have all had that realization.
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>> that was one of the great days of my life, to the honor of the time your husband shared with me, the proud humanity, decency, integrity and heroism, and everything, the way he treated me when i testified, the way he spent time with me. this is a guy who knows, i have helped a lot of democrats lose a lot of elections. but he was the very epitome of decency, kindness, civility and a man who understood that one does not have to make a mortal enemy or an evil person out of somebody who happens to disagree about what the tax rate should be for example. it's deeply counterproductive and he did not demonstrate that
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by words, he did it by actions. he did it through character. everybody knows the kind of husband and father he was, but he demonstrated every small action he took, which to my mind was a great class and integrity. i was profoundly humbled by it and i wanted to say how proud i am to have had the opportunity to spend time with him. >> it is very kind. we miss him. >> and he married up, so there you go. [applause] >> you talked a little about, you described the congo initiative as being involved in two things, someone who is involved -- we talked up the grants in terms of coffee production, making sure we get it to market. talk about the advocacy side. what are you advocating for in
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the congo and elsewhere that is needed for these groups, these individuals do succeed? >> one thing i'm advocating for most broadly is to develop a different kind of perception of africa. if you have any value in being able to project to a broad group of people, sharing your understanding of something -- it may be complex to explain to a broader audience, but i will mention here, this notion we have built that africa, nothing works is a profound and dishonest way of looking at the situation. what europe and north america have in fact done is extract a great deal of wealth from africa , oppress them, even in congo. the only ever -- country ever owned by a human being, king
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leopold in the 1900s, during which ownership 10 million congolese died. and i began to come out of wealth was extracted for the advancement of the economy of europe during the industrial revolution. that is so far divorced, all that has ever been spent on african history. it's disingenuous that somehow we are spreading all this money they are not doing anything with it. that's not it. i include the chinese, who are making unfair deals with africans to extract minerals today, or russians and so forth, historically this kind of exultation is what happens and a small amount of aid has been spent. granted, some not well. but i want to advocate that this is not a hopeless place. and by the way, my faith compels
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me to have humility. and in the search for humility, i have to recognize we have our own government issues in this country before we get at the dispersion -- cast aspersions on the governance of others. there is no country that is immune to corrupt, corruption or to people who seek power at the expense of what is right. and therefore, i think it is not really an effective argument to say you can't deal with this country because there is poor leadership. because what if we have poor leadership? should we be abandoned or you up on ourselves? really not. what we want to advocate for and explain is the best way to view -- do aid, and in a way that is successful in our society. that is are afflicted in our new project.
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we combine philanthropy with market principles, you develop a form of philanthropy that does not begin as philanthropy but sustainable business practice, it requires an initial investment from an investor, anybody who's ever been hit up for money can tell you that whoever this may be, how much money do you need? they say more. and you see how much -- how long do you need it for? and they say how long do you got. those metrics don't make a lot of sense. i said we want to provide clean water and health care which are basic human rights to people. the foundation of their country can then begin to flourish. it is difficult to criticize people for not being able to get their act together -- to flourish in other ways if they can't prevent themselves from getting infections or they can get clean water or they have to walk six hours to get water. we had to develop a way to
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deliver clean water and deliver health care to africans to -- requiring an investor -- investment. not a huge amount of money. after which, we discovered that in fact the congolese can afford to pay connolly's doctors and nurses, and many are -- congolese doctors and nurses, and many are already paying that. there is the chinese machine that will print out medical history. they are paying all sorts of other sources but most people can actually afford three or four dollars a month for health care, it can be provided for that amount and can be sustainable forever. the problem with philanthropy is that you are depending on when they do and when they don't, it can go away overnight and that is not sustainable. there's a lack of dignity. as the recipients, you are looking to get what we give, and
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you are not in a position to help people understand how to help build your society. but we provide a partnering facility where we recognize, a brilliant smart guy who is help me a lot, he taught me that the dignity of being a customer is one of the things we recognize at this country, you pay for goods, you are entitled to speak to the manager if you are not being treated properly. just that sense of deserving to be treated appropriately that comes with being a customer has made a profound difference. you take this model and the model of providing grants to who are primarily the economy growers, driving that to the tens of thousands and tripling, as well as saying this can happen. it's possible to function this
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way, they are clean, they drink the water, i will take my children to get health care, and once you provide that investment, you're done. it's going to get paid for, it's going to outlive you and me, and it's going to continue to exist because it's going to function based on what we have learned about what is successful about the business model in the united states. but, -- accommodation, the hybrid model, we think it's radical, interesting, revolutionary and important and we hope to share that with people so they might also adopt a similarly approached direction toward belinda. , that recognizes the necessity of people being provide with dignity -- philanthropy, that recognizes the necessity of people being provided with dignity. i think sustainability is important. the fact that someone can consist -- exist and go on long after something that is not the cause of the day, is very important.
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because you can't ask people to believe in something and disappear overnight at the whim of a governor, strategically, we are going to be and dutch involved its southern else. so i will stop filibuster now. >> that is awesome. going on from that, talking about business models going forward, africa in the 1980's, our foreign policy was dominated by the cold war and playing off of these countries against each other, just a battle to woo them to the west or the soviet union was trying to woo them to their model. we have something similar, -- i would not say similar, but we have a contest today, percent it at bass, with china. can you talk about that and why it is important that america not cede its role in africa? >> absolutely.
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i believe it is important to look at the history because i do think there are examples where, on the right side, -- particularly on the right side, an issue in our country because we were primarily worried about the cold war and the soviet union at the time. and all of us know this, because we spend time in africa, we have worked on these issues for a long time, the african would refer to work with us. -- prefer to work with us. i always say we need to step up, i agree with the problems of china. we all know that in terms of the quality of work, the corruption, the workforce, bringing labor over, i remember being at the drc and saying -- saying nobody employed around except for chinese workers that were there building roads instead of the african workers building roads. that is something that happens in inner-city america, where
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people are upset that you see work going on all around you, but the people that live in the community don't have access to those jobs. i can only imagine what the africans feel when somebody comes from another part of the world and they are unemployed. so i think there is a lot that we can look at the relationship of china and africa that is problematic. we need to be there. i think our problem is we are not there. granted, the circumstances are different with state-sponsored industries, we don't have that year, we can step up our game. and ben, you illustrated exactly what i was saying in terms of a new paradigm of looking at how we provide assistance to countries, where the idea is to work yourself out of the job, not just stay there forever. we must push the african
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countries and villages to do for themselves and exchange our technology and know-how but work our way out of it. that's what we need to do. we have a tremendous opportunity with the african continental free-trade agreement, where the african countries have agreed to trade with each other, we can provide our technical expertise and how to do that. we can support them doing that, because to the extent that the african countries, especially the smaller countries, can trade with each other, it is hard for them to trade with us. some of the smaller countries. because they can't do what you need in our business here. but the african countries are divided into regional economic communities, and if you look at that, their markets and etc. can get them to reach the scale where they can do business. i think there is a lot more we can do. it is fine to criticize but we
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need to step up. >> cindy, what is the future of africa? >> dosh. -- oh gosh. i have great hope, i believe by incrementing the things representative pass and ben have said and others, it is exactly -- bass has said and ben has said and others, it is important. and getting involved with women will make a huge change across africa. and i think an investment in that particular arena is most important. again, because, at least in the countries i've seen were women are in charge, they are good countries. so i'm very hopeful, i have always been hopeful because i see the beauty and the wonderment of their land and every thing that is there. how can you not be hopeful, in
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my opinion. >> last time you testified in front of the committee, when i was there in 2017 or 18, if you were to testify in front of that same committee today and talk about the congo and the broader region, or africa in general, what would you say are the biggest challenges and where should the united states be spending its time and resources? i would say it, for one thing i would be grateful to be invited, i would invite as many members of congress to come and visit africa and see for themselves what works and what doesn't, and i think they would find and see the ways that the american taxpayer dollars are being spent. how they are being spent effectively, how they are being spent ineffectively. i think that would be quite revelatory. i would point to things such as the telecom industry. for example, i can get cell phone signal in the hinterlands
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of eastern congo where there are barely roads and it is difficult to travel. and here i am in this fancy part of los angeles and i have no bars. clearly, something is involved. if you feel as though you can make money, which the chinese clearly do and have been pursuing, i think it should be -- i would also testify to the fact that the chinese have proven to be onto something. cultivating these relationships, developing these relationships is going to be a long-term value to china and right now we are just giving it to them. we are allowing them to dominate these relationships unchallenged, and once they are controlled it will be an advantage to china at a disadvantage to our country and economy. and i would say, at the risk of repeating myself, when you look at cell phone companies, and the first african billionaire was in fact made by building cell phone
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towers, that make money, you will get to the investment. investment, -- if there's a possibility to fuse investment and profitability, it's just basic -- providing basic service. is walmart a philanthropic company or they just a few -- place or people get what they need? walmart has done very well businesswise. there is money to be made, there is opportunity to be had. you have a country full of dust a continent, i have been to congo 15 or 16 times, at about 10 or 11 countries, so i'm not an expert on africa as a whole, but what i have seen is every country i visited, if people were more willing to work very hard, desiring -- is people were
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willing to work hard, desiring to work hard, have a sense of entrepreneurship and have a willingness to invest in their community, and simply were not being exposed to the opportunity to do so. they will jump on them. i would encourage them to pursue public-private partnerships, our projects with starbucks and so forth, and recognize we are all in this together. we recognize that the way we spend our money reflects our values and we want those values -- even from a purely selfish perspective, we want security, we want economic viability, we want health and prosperity. all of those things are benefited by our engagement in
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africa and the rest of the world. but not in a wasteful way, not in a way that takes money but a wider way. i would encourage congress to be thoughtful and examine what has worked and what hasn't, and look at what models may work well in the future, and i would encourage them, and i would cultivate other people to do so. it has been my honor to be inspired by mr. mccain, and i will continue to work the way she has, and on behalf of other women, it is factually correct that countries run by women, societies run by women tend to prosper. so there you have it. and i would thank them as i
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think you for being part of this forum. >> thanks, ben. karen, and the minute we have left, what about the question i get to cindy, what is the future of africa? >> i think the future of africa is bright. we are talking about one of the fastest growing economies in the planet, over a billion people, a young population, i think it is very bright and a dramatic opportunity. i do think we need to come together in the world, all of the places in the world that are benefiting off of these resources that are still on the continent, and say how do we make it prosper even further? i agree with cindy that women are key to that. and one of our best initiatives focuses on developing women business leaders, and cindy, i don't know if you've ever been to one of their meetings, and
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many of those individual women have developed in that field to do business with our companies, and i watch them all share their resources together so that other businesses can thrive -- prosper. i think africa needs to focus on its health infrastructure, electrical, roads, all of that. and that is also where the world can come together, help the african countries so that they don't need us any longer, they can be like korea. korea was very dependent on the international for a while and now it is the opposite. >> i think you make a very good point. smart businessmen understand you need to invest. think about how much money has been created in china the last 40 years. china and india were in the same please africa is, a lot of billionaires and millionaires
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have been made in my business alone, they are making 40 or 50 movie theaters a week, people can't wait to get into business with china because of the growth there. and neither of the indian subcontinent or china has the natural resources that africa has, nor frankly do they exceed africa and any measure in terms of dedication, desire to work, willingness to work, desire to create prosperity. they are just simply -- there is a tremendous amount of value to be created by investing in africa. one of the things africa has suffered from is, not only the opposite of investment, which is being -- but a lack of investment. i think once people understand there is money to be had, and it is in their own health interest if they are managing a fund to invest in africa, you will start to see method -- massive growth
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in the way you've seen in china. >> and in all of this places, they had an issue with governance, with corruption, with conflict. but we never see those areas is hopeless or helpless. >> that is a great note to end it on. we are so fortunate to have the mccain institute so interested in this topic, cindy, thank you for always ensuring that -- we are also fortunate to have karen bass in a leadership role with regard to africa. >> next time. [applause] >> and then we parachuted into africa 10 years ago, we are glad the parachute got caught somewhere and it stuck. thank you for all that you do, and to make the example that you set and for the good work that you do.
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♪ >> sunday night on q&a, a look at american presidents through the book favorite with journalist and historian craig fairman. >> the story has often been, and you saw it and that quote that kennedy's father was the one pulling the strings. that's not true. jack kennedy won the bullets are price. he said i would rather win another pulitzer prize then be president. because of the strong desire for literary fame even though he didn't want to do literary work, he got himself the prize. in new york city, in washington, d.c., did kennedy really write that book? i wonder who wrote that book. i wonder how much money they are giving out on those royalty checks. the pulitzer made it a moral question and ethical question. when i was at the kennedy presidential library, i looked at the letters he was receiving
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in 1957. librarians were sending him letters, schoolteachers, did you really write this book? you wouldn't have accepted that prize if you didn't write that book, would you? that's not the right thing to do. >> you can also listen to q&a as a podcast wherever you get your podcasts. >> the white house did not release a weekly address this weekend. however, per presented of when struck -- representative when struck from ohio delivered the republican address on the coronavirus pandemic. rep. wenstrup: i'm brad wenstrup, and i represent ohio's second district in southern and southwestern ohio. and i am excited to deliver this week's republican address. as a doctor and a soldier, i have been focuon


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