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legislative work tomorrow at 7 p.m.. the bill debate begins on wednesday and thursday at noon eastern. the house will consider equal pay for women who do the same job as men and a bill aimed at preventing workplace violence against care and social service workers. live coverage of the debate here on c-span. white house press secretary jen psaki will be briefing reporters at 12:15 eastern. watch live coverage on c-span. at 1 p.m., we will have coverage of supply chain vulnerability. liz cheney discusses the future of the republican party and the conservative movement. she is speaking at the georgetown university institute of politics.
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these events will be online at c-span.org or you can listen live on the free c-span radio app. joining us is lisa mascaro, the chief congressional correspondent for the associated press. lawmakers back in washington this week to meet on infrastructure, a bipartisan meeting. is there room for compromise between the democrats and republicans? guest: good morning, steve. that will be a fascinating meeting at the white house. president joe biden has been reaching out, trying to court republicans over his infrastructure plan. they say it is all talk and no action. they see what happens on the covid relief bill, where he had one meeting with republican senators, and then had democrats passed the relief bill on their own. there is a lot of skepticism coming into this meeting. yet, at the same time, this has
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been a kind of issue were all sides can come together. everybody needs roads and bridges and broadband across communities, so there is some interest from republicans to work with the president. but we will see. democrats are in a hurry to get a lot of this done while they can. it is unclear if they will wait around to hammer out some sort of broad compromise with republicans. host: let me get your reaction to what the number three in the house of representatives, liz cheney, said the other day. she supported an infrastructure bill put forth by president trump, opposes the one put forth by president biden. she explains. >> it is a different proposal, obviously. less than 6% of this proposal president biden has put forward is focused on infrastructure. the national association of manufacturers said we would probably lose over a million
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jobs if this is enacted. in addition to the corporate tax increases in the bill, you'll see middle-class increases. this is a pattern we watch the democrats used time and again where they massively increase spending, expand the size and scope of the federal government, and then they come back around and impose middle-class tax increases. those are not things that we support, not things i support. host: two things from that conversation. is it only 6% for roads and bridges? guest: this is a great question, what is infrastructure? we are seeing president biden take a sort of new definition of infrastructure, going beyond the idea of roads and bridges. of course there is broadband, but even more encompassing, he is talking about what we call the care economy, leaning into this idea of human infrastructure.
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building v.a. hospitals, childcare centers, centers to care for elderly and disabled people. it is a broader sense. i think that is sort of a new thinking, one that republicans have not fully embraced. democrats seem to be interested in the way the president is approaching it. republicans, as you heard from liz cheney, mitch mcconnell in the senate, they may want to stick with a more traditional version of that. then, of course, it is the corporate tax like that president biden is proposing to pay for it is also a bit of a nonstarter for republicans. host: let's turn to another issue that we will hear more about, capitol hill security, with another security officer that will i in honor because of what happened this month, and the inspector general report expected to release details on what they can do to increase
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security. what are we expecting? guest: that's right. officer william evans will lie in state on tuesday. it is an honor to have a civilian lie in the rotunda. he was killed two saturdays ago when a man charged one of the security stations near the senate entrance to the capital -- capitol. security has still been extremely tight, three months now since the january 6 insurrection. we were just beginning to bring some of the security fencing down. there has been razor wired fencing all around the capital, quite a large perimeter, and it is not the infrastructure that people walk around the capitol.
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it is supposed to be the people's house, the representative place where people can come and talk to their lawmakers. it was not the image lawmakers wanted to give. however, there was the january 6 insurrection, so there was a lot of security. security has been tightened. as it was starting to come down, there was this incident. officer evans will lie in state at the same time we are expected to hear very soon from house democrats who are putting forward a supplemental security bill that will have funding for all sorts of new ways to beef up security around the capitol. speaker pelosi had a massive review done after the january 6 insurrection. the report came back with lots of recommendations. we will be seeing some of that.
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at the same time, the inspector general, michael bolton, will be testifying on thursday before the house. we have seen a number of security officials coming to testify before the house and senate about what happened on january 6. we still don't have a full picture of all of the breakdowns. there was just a multi-hour gap from when the pro-trump supporters came to the capito l, and that it became violent and the siege began and they stormed into the capitol. there were multiple hours before calm was restored, could clear the building. congress is looking at happened, looking at the gaps, what can be approved.
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host: you mentioned that 18-year veteran, billy evans, flags being flown at half staff in his honor. the fourth police officer to be killed, the second in the last couple months. i want to go back to the issue of infrastructure. yesterday on face the nation speaker pelosi was asked about that but also asked about security for the capitol, and what the next steps are for members of congress. [video clip] >> we are talking about money and we want to make sure it is the appropriate amount, not more or less than what we need, and appropriately prioritized to again open up the capital so it is the temple of democracy it is, so that people can come and be there without adequate protection, so they can do so safely. the appropriations committee had that responsibility in addition to the jurisdiction, house
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administration. we are in a good place. we think it is the appropriate prioritizing we are putting forward. legislation is always a conversation. host: one quick follow-up and then we will get to the viewer calls. how do lawmakers strike a balance? there was initially a talk about putting a wall across the capitol. anyone that has been to washington knows it is a very accessible space. how do you have security issues dealt with but also that open this that we have become so familiar with. washington, d.c.? we are not hearing you at the moment. guest:
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it is a sort of icon of democracy the world over and that is the balance, as we saw after the january 6 election, the perimeter was pushed out and people were not able to enter those grounds. that is what the lawmakers are going to have to wrestle with. there have been proposals for
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retractable fencing, something that can go out and be brought back in in certain situations. that something they will have to wrestle with and soon, i think we will see that proposal. i don't have any numbers yet for how much they are looking to spend, but there will be some proposals for increased security at the capitals -- at that capital. host she's the chief congressional correspondent for the washington press. caller: good morning. what i'm concerned about with republicans and democrats working together, it seems like with everything that has gone on, the capital rioting, the big lie about the election and now with the voting thing, it's a snowball effect. it seemed to me the republicans
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are already showing what their interest is, but like joe manchin thinks he can get a couple of people to come together but what i think needs to be done because of this snowballing effect, which this is causing this to happen and that is causing that and it's all based on a lie, i think the democrats are president biden should demand that the republicans speak publicly that the election was legitimate. that's the only way their supporters are going to know that it's true. they need to come out and speak publicly that this is legitimate before they negotiate.
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if they refuse to come out and tell the truth, then get rid of the filibuster because they are not going to tell the truth, they are not going to cooperate in a way that is best for the american people to slow all the stuff down and stop the rolling effect. guest: i think with the color brings up is this issue preventing the country right now that their deeds to be some trust in the civic space and the functioning of the democracy. a lot of historians and elections experts and watchers of american politics will say there's a time for the country to come together and understand we do want to have faith in our institutions, faith in our elections and in the government,
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not to solve all of our problems certainly, but to function. the election really challenge that and the questions over the result, that something the country is going to have to work on to get back to a place where we do trust each other to conduct the business of the government. host: there's this reference on our twitter page -- republicans would vote for in infrastructure bill, there should be a separate bill for schools, childcare, etc. -- nothing in that bill has to do with roads and bridges. guest: this is the prerogative of the party in charge. the president is the president and he can decide how he wants to present it. congress is in charge of passing the bill and they will decide how they want to put it together
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or carve it up into pieces. there is truth to what the republicans are saying. maybe they would support a smaller bill, yet maybe not. there still a lot of questions about how republicans would pay for even the smaller infrastructure bill. they talk about wanting to have user fees and tolls and things like this. there's still a lot of debate even among republicans about how they would pay for their smaller infrastructure bill. there is this question of why democrats are linking it all together in one bill, but that is their prerogative. they are the party in charge and they can put it forward how they want. win or lose, succeed or fail. there will be a long debate, there will be several weeks of sausage making on capitol hill
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as they try to put these proposals together. we will see some hearings, some discussions, some baits was certainly some private conversations like today at the white house. speaker pelosi said she would like to see something past out of the house in july and even that seems somewhat ambitious. this could stretch on all summer. i think we will hear a lot about infrastructure, how to pay for it, and what the country really needs. you look across the country and there is some truth that there has not been a ton of investment in recent years in the systems. so there's a bit of a hunger from the mayors and county leaders to make some investments , whether congress can get there in a verily narrowly divided house and very split senate and a fragile majority, we will see what biden can do to try to bring folks together and get
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something done here or not. host: from missouri, carla, you are next. caller: i know you don't want to dwell on it, but i sure am happy to see you back. host: thank you. caller: you are welcome at my house anytime. you just had a text message addressing the same issues i want to address. i don't know why republicans don't get together or democrats -- i don't care, a group get together and just do a standalone bill, like the other person suggested. bridges, water, broadband -- that is what we all think of as infrastructure. why do they bundle everything up?
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i think it's deliberate. i will shut up and let her comment. guest: again, it's back to the question, and i think from the president point of view and the democrats point of view, they would say they are trying to do as much as they can. you don't have a lot of opportunities to pass a big bill, so they are trying to, some would say loaded up with extras. but they would say look, our veterans hospitals -- are veterans hospitals extras? our child hospitals extras? there's the broader question of how you pay for it and i think the democrats want to push it all together into one bill and say you can do something big like a corporate tax hike. they are talking about raising
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the rates on corporations from 21% to 28%, which as not as high as it was, 35%, but higher than during the trump era tax rate. the "new york times" put together a thing -- republicans and others like the caller are saying -- jen: happy monday. i know we have a busy monday afternoon so we will try to get the resume questions as we can get through. i've got two items at the top -- this morning, the white house, we released 50 state-by-state fact sheets in addition to fact sheets for the district of columbia and puerto rico for passing the american jobs plan so we can invest in infrastructure and grow our economy. on the screen behind me, you will see some of the needs outlined and the tangible difference the jobpl

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