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house chief of staff talked with politico today about what is next on president biden's agenda. watch the entire half-hour conversation tonight starting at 8:00 eastern on c-span. coming up at 8:30 eastern, dennis mcdonough before the house veterans affairs committee on his agencies covid-19 response and progress made at the v.a. during the first 100 days of the biden administration. that is prime time tonight, here on c-span. >> this into c-span's podcast, this week, a fellow at the hudson institute shares her insights on america's relationship with china. >> know your enemy, know yourself. i don't necessarily say enemy, i can replace that would know your opponent or know your challenger. if we don't understand that, everything else really won't
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matter because it does not address the fundamental issue which is the communist party. >> find the weekly where you get your podcasts. >> earlier this afternoon, the white house press secretary held a briefing on the news of the day. she answered a series of questions about president biden's proposed infrastructure plan, including an increase to the corporate tax rate, application of funding for roads and bridges, and possible compromises with republicans. she also clarified the white house expectations about johnson & johnson's ability to meet vaccine supply deadlines despite recent contamination of 15 million doses. this briefing is 45 minutes.
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>> hi, everyone. good afternoon, good morning. ok, a couple of items for you. yesterday the president laid out a capital investment in america that will meet our current infrastructure needs. investment in manufacturing, research and development and the care economy. rebuild our economy and create good paying jobs for american workers. since then we have seen praise for the president's decision from across the political
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spectrum. in addition to support from bipartisan majorities of the american people reviewed the u.s. chamber of commerce said we need a big and bold program to modernize our nations coming infrastructure. the ceo of ford motor said that to advance a broad infrastructure plan that prioritizes a more sustainable, connected, an autonomous future. the president of the league of voters said it's a great day for climate justice and action. and it was called a game changer for tackling economic equality. an overwhelming a partisan support for the plan, yesterday registered voters back to hypothetical $3 trillion infrastructure package. a poll showed that by 35 point
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margin voters wanted to pay by asking for the wealthy and big corporations to pay their fair share, just like the president was calling for. today the biden-harris administration is launching a nationwide grassroots effort of mobile voices and trusted community leaders to encourage people to get vaccinated. we've heard quite a bit of out how impactful having trusted commuted voices, the people who are getting the information out to communities. this is a reflection of that. some of the members include nascar, the american medical association, the chamber of commerce and catholic charities. collectively the group of founding members had the ability to reach millions of people and deliver critical public health it -- information. this morning the vice president and surgeon general spoke with some of the immunity core founding members about the unique efforts that communities across the country are taking to get more shots in arms,
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inclusive -- including by hosting virtual town halls and conducting outreach to people in their communities and a lot more to come from there. two more short items. as part of the american rescue plan, we have another development today, he promised to get health care costs down for families and through a number of steps he's taken, beginning today, americans can go to healthcare.gov to take advantage of reduced premiums, increase savings and quality affordable coverage. americans currently enrolled in orchid place will see a premium decrease on average by $50 per person per month and $85 per policy per month. so that certainly is a positive development. finally, as part of our commitment to transparency, president was tested for covid-19 this week and it was not detected. he is tested every two weeks as part of regular screening.
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>> a couple of questions on the infrastructure bill. can you give us a sense of what comes next from the white house in terms of travel for the vice president or any members of the cabinet? [indiscernible] for a covid bill. >> i think you can expect that the president vice president will be involved in making calls to outreach, communicating members of congress and elected officials and of course with the american people. i would say the piece that is slightly different or in addition to is what the president announced at the cabinet meeting, which is that he's asked some key members of his cabinet to serve in a jobs cabinet be a front and center voices engaging with members of congress, with leadership in congress, with governors and elected officials, with the american public through media
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and other direct communications, traveling around the country to communicate about the plan he has proposed. that's another piece of it that you will see grow over the coming weeks. >> former president donald trump says that the tax increases, the corporate tax increases that are in the plan will shift more companies and jobs overseas and that china will be the big winner there. it also depends on eating countries to stop a race to the bottom on corporate taxes. we're just wondering how do you get those other countries to go along with that? >> we have a little chart, maybe we can pull up on the screen here. we will queue it to come up. we will bring it up again because it is a relevant one for people to take a look at. it just shows the journey of
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corporate tax rates over the last several decades. the corporate tax rate at 21% is lower than it has ever been in the past. we are talking that raising it to 28%, which is lower than it has been in the past several decades, for most of that period of time. it was a case during part of the bush administration, you can see here, it has gone down progressively. it was in the mid 30's as you can see through about 2015 all right before then. then it went dramatically down. we are talking about just raising it to a rate that is lower than it has been to the vast majority of time, over the last 70 years. we think that is an incredibly reasonable proposal. in the wake of the 2017 tax bill, tax giveaway to corporate america, i should say, 91 of the fortune 500 companies paid no
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federal taxes. zero federal taxes. that is not something the american people believe is fair, that we believe is fair. what we are talking about is making adjustments to the tax to make it more invest in american workers so we can be more competitive over the long-term. >> earlier today senator mcconnell was talking [indiscernible] he opposes the undoing of the 2017 tax cuts and said i will fight them every step of the way. how do you respond? sec. psaki: there are more questions to be asked. does he disagreed that our nations infrastructure is outdated and needs repair. does he disagree we need to do more to put american workers back to work and invest in industries that have growth potential over the long term? does he disagree that 1/3 of the
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country that does not have broadband access should have access. -- access question mark -- doing more to be competitive with china and what we are really talking about is how to pay for it. what we are looking for are proposals of alternatives. if you do not want to raise the corporate tax rate still lower then that is been across decades , if you do not want to put in place a global minimum tax what are the alternatives? we are happy to hear those proposals. >> yesterday when president biden spoke about corporate taxes he specifically named amazon that do not pay federal taxes. why did he just name amazon? sec. psaki: it is an example. as i noticed there were 91 companies who did not pay any corporate taxes in 2017.
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>> about the baltimore plan. when did this happen and went to the administration find out? sec. psaki: the issue was identified as part of rigorous quality control system checks and hhs made us aware late last week. >> we understand the supply is headed to europe and not for the united states, but how does that change the supply plan and weren't they planning to use this point to deliver the 24 million doses to deliver by the end of april to the united states? sec. psaki: the issue does not impact one. any of the j&j doses already on the market. johnson & johnson has made clear they expect to deliver 24 million doses in april and they expect to meet their commitments of 100 million doses by the end
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of may. we are looking forward to that. obviously these are doses the u.s. government as purchase but we also have plenty of doses from pfizer and moderna regardless. >> [indiscernible] supply disruption caused by the baltimore plan for the u.s. supply. sec. psaki: for the supply we are anticipating we have been assured that they expect to meet those deadlines. >> and one more about hong kong. as you are aware there were seven pro-democracy advocates arrested yesterday. and obviously there is a continuation of teaching trying to crush pro-democracy protests in the country. is the suit -- administration monitoring that situation now? sec. psaki: we certainly are. today is publicly motivated
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convictions in hong kong chose the degree to which beijing seeks to crush all forms of peaceful dissent within the city. these activists were taking part in a peaceful demonstration of over 1.7 one million hong kongers protesting for freedom. it is another example of beijing eroding hong kong's freedom and failing to live up to its international obligations under the british joint declaration. >> once the company informed the administration about the timing of the problem, there was so much focus from the sickness ration transparency. it was an important [indiscernible] ? sec. psaki: this plant has not been fda approved. it is still going through a rigorous review. j and j is working through that
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process to bring the facility online and gain authorization. hhs updated us. this is the process working as it should. hhs updated us on j&j manufacturing including where things stood with the facility at the point when they learned about the issue. it was not going to impact our supply, the supply to the american people. j&j is working with us through the fda. we referred to them. >> on the infrastructure plan the president talked about inviting republicans. given the comments from his longtime friend mitch mcconnell, do we have that on the books yet , and do you anticipate there is any legitimate room to move or is the white house settling into the idea that this will be a democratic only push in order to accomplish this? sec. psaki: we just announced the proposal yesterday. there is a long recent agreement on infrastructure and the need
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to invest in infrastructure to be more competitive with china. we feel there are areas of agreement, and the president will be inviting republicans and democrats to the oval office to have discussions and meetings about the path forward to hear their ideas. there are differences. the american rescue plant was an emergency package. we needed to get it done as quickly as possible to get relief to americans. we have more time here to work and have discussions with members of both parties. we went to see progress by memorial day. we would like to see this package passed by the summer but when congress returns the president will be inviting members to the overall this -- oval office. >> certainly there are democrats, the most progressive democrats who would like to see this done quickly. is there a real sense that you can work with the republicans when the leader says there will be no support and the house
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republicans leader says we love infrastructure but we do not like this tax idea. is there room left? sec. psaki: i think that is a question for them. they support investment in infrastructure. they believe we need to do more to compete with china. maybe they do not believe we should pay for. if so they should say that. it they have alternative ideas. there proposals about user fees or gas taxes essentially. we do not agree with that. we do not believe the cost should be on the backs of the american people. we believe corporations should be able to bear the brunt for investing in america's workers but they can comport with their ideas. we believe we can start from a place where we agree. >> given that the covid economy has been hard on so many businesses is this the time to increase taxes when they are not really out of the covid slide of the economic impact of the pandemic? sec. psaki: what we are talking
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about here -- that is why we should not be increasing taxes on the american people, people making less than $400,000 year, why we should not put in place user fees because people are still trying to get through this time. corporations, who have had their tax rate lowered to 21% by a great margin, corporations that did not pay any taxes into this and 18, we think they can afford to help rebuild our workforce, invest in industries of the future and make sure our industry is competitive with china. >> you just repeated with the president was talking about yesterday. you want corporations to bear the brunt. the corporate tax hike is not going to raise that much until 2036. i'm curious where the rest of the money comes from. sec. psaki: we are talking about paying for an eight year investment over the course of 18
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-- 15 years. that's given the investments, investments that are temporary, we would more than make up for the cost of these investments over time. >> one of the most colorful examples as people remember the bridge going down, but only 5% of the spending in the package goes toward roads and bridges. and i'm curious why the number is so low. it is something being sold as an infrastructure package. sec. psaki: we are selling it as a once in a century or once in a generation investment. industries of the future, american workers and the workforce, there are areas like broadband which is not a physical bridge. one third of the country does not have access to broadband. that impacts workers that it -- who have been working from home. kids that are trying to learn from home. parts of the country where they cannot have jobs where they are
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working remotely. we feel that that is an area where we can improve, expand access and as a result be more competitive with other countries. >> immigration, has the white house considered can security now that there is video of a three-year-olds and five-year-old being thrown over the wall? sec. psaki: i've seen the video and i think any of us whose -- who saw the video were incredibly alarmed. as -- the inhumane way smugglers abuse children is reprehensible. the president agrees with that and these kids, i believe, were rescued by individuals that were working at the border. >> they still got close enough,
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you guys are talking about addressing root causes [indiscernible] to throw them over a wall into the desert and i'm curious what the white house is doing to stop that from happening. sec. psaki: are you concerned about the kids safety? are you concerned about kids getting in? >> kids safety is the main concern. sec. psaki: which is why i'm surprised at the line of questioning. our concern and our focus is on sending a clear message to the region that this is not the time to come. you should not send your kids on this treacherous journey. these smugglers are preying on vulnerabilities. there are a lot of issues and steps that we need to take to address root causes. these border patrol agent who save our kids deserve our thanks and gratitude for ensuring their
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safety. >> it's not just senator mcconnell who is taking issue with this plan. we have seen some democrats voicing concerns. what is the president's message to those who say this play does -- plan does not go far enough? >> enormous investment in our infrastructure, and our roads, railways, bridges, broadband, our waterways and ensuring people have access to clean water. it accounts for 1% of our gdp. it certainly is a significant attempt to address that. it is a two part proposal. the president will be speaking more in the coming weeks about how we can do more to help our caregivers, help address the needs of childcare, help lower the cost of health care and do more to make sure we are easing the burden on families across the country. >> is the president confident he
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can get democrats united behind this plan? sec. psaki: i think the president believes that democrats, independents, republicans. the we should do more to invest in our infrastructure. that means ensuring access to broadband, ensuring that we rebuild our roads and bridges. that is something democrats, republicans have talked about that it is long overdue. >> why are you splitting this into two parts? sec. psaki: i wouldn't over read into it that way. we don't know what the process will look like at this point. we are quite open to congressional committees moving forward on certain components. we are very open to members of congress coming back with different ideas how we can achieve the objective outline. it is an opportunity to lay out in a speech what our objective is. separately lay out in a couple
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of weeks what we need to do better as a country and as a government to help families address the needs of childcare and that's why he's splitting it up. the president -- >> the president as said he is open to alternatives. is the overall price tag open to negotiation? sec. psaki: the president proposed, based on advice of economists and economic experts, how he feels we could achieve with these objectives and proposals in different ways to rebuild our infrastructure and make sure that we are competing with china and better positioning ourselves in the world. >> the president said that along with the stimulus bill, an estimated 18 million jobs could be created with this plan. what's the range that the white house thinks in terms of how many jobs will be created? sec. psaki: we expect a number
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outside economists and economic forecasters who will do protections in the coming days. we expect them to be in the ballpark of what the senate said -- what the president said yesterday. >> you are asking for $2 trillion. why not put an estimate on how many jobs will be created? sec. psaki: we expect there will be a range of numbers and that is an effective way to get a sense of what can be expected from this package. >> senate minority leader mitch mcconnell has already said that republicans are not going to play ball. if republicans come back with a skinny infrastructure package, brought back some thing that did not include the $400 billion for help for people. would the white house be open to that, to looking at a different
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package? sec. psaki: i'm not going to negotiate from here. we are open to hearing ideas and proposals from democrats and for -- republicans. we certainly put in the caregiving component. the president did because he believes there is a huge impact on our workforce. the time, the cost, the energy, the effort. something that is keeping people out of the workforce, keep people from progressing in their jobs. that's why he put it in there. if republicans disagree and don't believe that is an issue in our society, they should come forward and say that. >> one democrat saying no deal on infrastructure. what is the president's stance on that? sec. psaki: if democrats want to propose a way to eliminate salt and they want to propose a way to pay for it and they want to put that forward, we are happy
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to hear their ideas. >> i have this as a follow-up. specifically, are there red lines in the first phase of the infrastructure bill on things like racial equity? the $400 billion for seniors. sec. psaki: the president's focus is on the objectives he is trying to achieve which is rebuilding our infrastructure so we can compete around the world, putting millions of americans back to work, easing the burden as you noted of caregiving which is impacting millions of americans who are not in the workforce in the way they would like. so i'm not going to give you red lines from here, only to convey that he designed this bill. it and designed this bill with an effort to meet the moments
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and to do it in a way that ensures we are looking at addressing challenges in our country through the lens of equity, that we are doing it in a way that helps cities in rural america. we are doing it in a way that meets the moment and meets the moment of the needs of up once in a century investment. we understand that there will be a difference. there will be a discussion on how to achieve these objectives. he looks forward to members making his own proposals -- making their own proposals. >> are you willing to narrow the bill for things that the republicans fill is truly critical info structure? sec. psaki: i have not seen a proposal from them. if they want to propose that, i'm sure he would be happy to have a discussion but we are not going to negotiate from here. >> the administration delivered an intelligence report and warned of the rise in dangerous -- dangers by white supremacists.
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does the president feel it's time for the u.s. to adopt a domestic terrorism statute? sec. psaki: what he has asked is to do a 100 day review on the threat around the country of domestic violence extremism. we have a couple more weeks of that review underway. the policymaking component of that. once it is concluded there will be some recommendation on how to best address this threat. >> i have a quick immigration question. the administration has often that they continue to expel single adults south across the border. those migrants are going to some of the same areas that they will return to. they criticized it pretty sharply. cdc officials have also opposed, one that was limited by the
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trump administration. how does the continued use of that rule square with president question mark what is the cdc assessing when it comes to deciding when to lift that order? sec. psaki: we are still in the middle of a public health crisis. there are 1000 people a day approximately dying of covid-19. the cdc and others look at that and the impact. i don't anticipate any near-term change, but i would refer to -- differ -- defer to them on their timeline. >> on the list of the most urgent infrastructure projects that you have identified, when will the white house put out a list for those projects as outlined in the plan and which agency is in charge? sec. psaki: there's a jobs cabinet and counsel or jobs cabinet that will be playing a variety of roles including
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in the internal policy development, engagement with governors, the american public. once the bill passes, there will be a bidding that there will be -- there will be a competitive bidding process. sec. psaki: they will be in charge of communicating with the public, communicating with congress, communicating with mayors and governors. the impact on businesses. these are the cabinet members who will also play a role in this engagement. the competitive bidding process would not start into the bill is passed. >> on the president budget, can you give us an update on why it's delayed. we expected to see it today.
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sec. psaki: i don't have any update on the timeline. i know it will be out soon. >> on the president's last -- president's interview last night, he was critical of the texas rangers reopening their stadium in the middle of the pandemic. [indiscernible] sec. psaki: his focus is on action and you have noted some of them. when he saw an urgency in the rise in cases, we took some urgent action including doubling the number of pharmacies that will have the vaccine. increasing our commitment and investment in mass vaccination sites. his view is the more people get vaccinated more quickly, the better positioned we will be.
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>> are you worried the rise in cases will out case the vaccination pace? sec. psaki: i would leave that to our health experts. i would say that what we have control of here is how rapidly we can get the vaccine out. how many locations we can ensure the vaccine is available. we can continue to do more to meet people where they are. that's where our focus is. i would also note that though some governors have rolled back public health guidelines, a number of mayors have kept them in place even in those states because it's not a political issue and they have taken those steps to keep people and that's people in their jurisdictions safe. >> the president for extending medical leave. the provision was enacted during the pandemic expired.
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it was not in the stimulus package. is paid leave something that the president will commit to? sec. psaki: there's still ongoing discussions about the final pieces of the package. he does believe that it is, he did include emergency paid leave in his rescue plan. it was president biden signed into law this month and -- an extension on paid leave credit that more families have access to paid leave. given his view that this is important to families across the country, especially if they are trying to make ends meet. he has been clear about his support for permanent paid leave and medical leave. i don't have anything to put into terms for the next package. >> on a different topic, the
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shooting in california is the latest in a series of several high-profile gun tragedies over the last few weeks. is the president ready to start issuing executive orders? sec. psaki: first let me say the disturbing violence in orange, california it resulted in the tragic loss of lives last night is another example of senseless gun violence that occurs all too frequently. the president supports to ban assault weapons and high-capacity weapons. the president, there is an ongoing review of executive actions and something that he is personally committed to and hopefully will have more to say on that soon. >> the number of gun violence prevention at a busy groups have requested a meeting with the
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president, is that something that he is going to do? can you give me an idea of when that meeting is going to happen? sec. psaki: the president has worked hand in hand with a number of these groups for decades. as somebody who fought to get the brady bill passed, getting that into law in the 90's, nearly two dozen negative actions while he was vice president. he will continue to be an advocate for additional commonsense sense gun safety -- common sense gun safety measures. there is in the american jobs plan a proposal of $5 billion investment over eight years to support evidence-based community violence intervention. this is a step that would help on gun violence. we know that violence is a public health crisis disproportionately impacting black and brown communities in america. a key part of intervention
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strategies to connect individuals to job training and job opportunities. that is part of his effort. another effort that many of these gun safety organizations feel is important, to address the community violence in order to reduce that across the country. >> you are saying that if democrats are able to negotiate, that they need to find some other way. sec. psaki: unless i think that -- they think that package does not need to be paid for. we are open to hearing ideas and proposals. i think for clarity purposes, which you know, eliminating salt is not a revenue raiser. it is something that either would have to be paid for or not. our focus right now is on ensuring that we are getting relief to the broad swath of the
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american people who are most impacted by the downturn. the 10 million out of work. the people who are looking to be a part of the growing industry of the future. we understand that many democrats or some democrats i should say are focused on that. we are happy to discuss it with them. >> undocumented immigrants who have struggled to get vaccinated but they don't have a drivers license or id. i note the federal government [indiscernible] but what can you do, is there anything the administration can do to advocate on their behalf? sec. psaki: the more people that are vaccinated, documented or not, the safer we are as a country. that's certainly the president 's point of view. that is not our federal guidelines. i will have to check if there is anything we can specifically do
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in south border or parts of order where this is having an impact. >> president biden talked about how concerned he was that americans are becoming too cavalier about safeguarding against covid and skepticism with the vaccine. we also have variants. is there some way you can characterize how worried americans should be? sec. psaki: i'm not here to scare people. we have been saying from the beginning that we need to be vigilant. and that we are still at war with a pandemic. that has been our consistent message. one of the reasons why the president did the meeting today was that we have also seen that it is the most powerful voices, the most impactful voices are those who are leaders. sometimes those are faith leaders, local doctors.
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that's why a big part of our investment as we look to the next stage of this is in those communities. that was the purpose of the meeting today. to be clear, we've seen progress around the country. we've seen the data, the number of people who are vaccinated. we need to remain vigilant and that's why the president repeats that message at every opportunity. >> you said you are not here to scare people. president biden's message. i will always be frank with people. sec. psaki: we are conveying and we have conveyed consistently nearly at every opportunity that we need to remain vigilant. people need to still wear masks. they need to social distance. they need to hand wash. if you get vaccinated with pfizer, you get your first dose. you get your second dose. it's not until two weeks after
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that it has the full impact. that's five weeks after the first dose. even if more people are vaccinated, we need to remain vigilant. that has been our crystal clear message from the beginning. even if people felt that we did not need to abide by the rules. >> when it comes to the vaccine, remains clearly behind china or russia. is the white house considering any measure to catch up with those countries before the entire american population is vaccinated? sec. psaki: our focus remains on ensuring the american people are vaccinated. we remain open to a range of options of helping and being a part of the global community
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moving forward. there remains our first focus. >> there would be no export . sec. psaki: we exported some doses of astrazeneca. we will consider range of options, but the focus remains on vaccinating american adults in this country. >> we reported that senator joe manchin has said he is not onboard with voting with that legislation. if that ends up happening, has president biden given any thought to considering support for the [indiscernible] a compromise measure from republicans. sec. psaki: i would have to check with our legislative team on that. that's a great question. >> some community leaders i've spoken with about the fairness
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for all act have pointed to specific like allowing businesses with fewer than 15 employees to deny services for someone being lgbt. would he commit to not signing legislation that would create problems like that? sec. psaki: the president supports the equality act. i don't think i want to get too far down the rabbit hole of this while it's still being negotiated through congress. >> the element in the jobs plan is it a best in research and development and is bringing one critical supply chains back to the united states. what specific incentives is the administration giving companies? a tax break? would there be tariffs put on items? sec. psaki: that is a really great question. there's supply chain meeting coming up that is being hosted
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by jake sullivan. this will be a discussion by -- with members of congress as they are engaging with our job's cabinet. it sounds like there is more discussion. >> you don't know if there is tax incentive? sec. psaki: i could get you more specifics after the briefing. >> in georgia talking about the voting bill that was just signed, community organizers have threatened boycotts of big companies. in his last news conference, the president said the bill requires voting ending early at 5:30 p.m. the bill standardizes voting hours by counties and it also allows extended hours from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. is there going to be a correction? sec. psaki: it standardizes the ending of voting every day,
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right? it gives options to extend it. it makes it so outside groups can't provide water and food to people in line? it makes it more difficult to absentee vote. >> early voting, standardized having saturday and sunday. my question is is the tone going to change out of the white house? sec. psaki: a tone for a bill that limits access to voting in georgia? >> that is not what the governor said. sec. psaki: i think that is not based in fact what the governor said. our tone is not changing. we have concerns about the specific components of the package including the fact that it makes it harder and more difficult for people to vote i -- two vote by -- to vote by limiting absentee options, by making it not viable for people to provide water to people in line, by not standardizing
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longer hours. if you are making it harder to vote, no we don't support that. >> is the president considering giving an address joint session? sec. psaki: he has definitely considered giving a joint session address. i cannot wait until he finally announces this. you all want a date. we are working with leaders in congress to announce that. i just don't have a date. >> why haven't refugee caps been raised at this point? that has not happened yet. sec. psaki: he remains committed. i do not have an update. >> does it have anything to do with the fact that resources are going to the border at this time? sec. psaki: no. it is not related to that. thank you everyone.
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