tv Senators Examine Job Training Programs CSPAN October 26, 2021 8:04pm-9:48pm EDT
[inaudible] [noise] with senate employment and workplace safety committee comes to order. today we are holding a hearing on getting their karate to work. apprenticeship training programs to help workers and businesses be able to train the workforce for the global economy. i look forward to today's witness testimony. and the discussion that follows. our ranking member braun and i each have an opening statement and witnesses will give their testimony. senators will have five minutes for a round of questions.
and who knows there are how many millions of people watching. while we are unable to have the hearing fully open, live video is available on the website senate.gov. i have invited members and look forward to them being part of the discussions well, on a bipartisan coalition to address some of the issues we address on workforce. we need to keep in mind that not everyone is going to go to college. there is not a need to go to college to be successful. only 35% of young people in the united states ever completed a bachelors degree or higher. apprenticeship and other on the job programs are a powerful
alternative that help shift the conversation from the narrow four year degree path. and to define successful careers in jobs that exist today. win turbine technician, nurse practitioner are among the fastest-growing jobs in america today. these are also the kinds of jobs that have comfortable incomes, i guess, that can rebuild the american middle class. for our solar panel installer it is about 47 dollars an hour. when turbine technician earns the median annual income of 56,000 dollars an hour. we need to make sure that these skills are done in partnership
with the employer. we need to make sure that we have programs to provide skill training for careers available now. and also the careers of tomorrow. information technology projects, workers can build sustainable and reliable -- , to name a few. these all have a combination of on the job and classroom training. employers like toyota, intermediaries like career wise are creating the workforce so that they can keep their workforce and companies globally competitive. probably over 25 years now. he learned over his experience in manufacturing, workforce development, it has always been a limiting factor to economic
growth. it worked for decades to tackle the workforce and skills gap by a, personally supporting enrollment of low income kids through the i had a dream foundation. taking a drop out rate of 90% to a graduation rate of 90%. and help manufacturers across say solves to stomach challenges. chairing the college regiment council, and served on the colorado workforce development council. scholarship initiatives and the colorado economic development council. the list goes on beyond that. but also, importantly, he came to me with this idea and has founded and let career wise. career wise programs are not
specifically associated with traditional apprenticeship programs. career wise has worked with over 200 employers from new york city to denver to indiana. washington d.c. as well. to build programs that modernize education training. from software coating to automation design and on and on. the support that career wise provides to businesses takes up the majority of our economy and provides equitable opportunities for companies and promotes their bottom line. toyota and other companies are building adaptable models for the modern digital economy. i think we have some great examples on how job training and apprenticeship on the job training will work. and completed a program called
assurance in denver. they have a full-time journey worker as a business development representative. and the president of toyota manufacturing. toyota has created the academy. for next opportunities in manufacturing. i am equally looking forward to talking about how we, on this community, exposed to successive programs and continue to build on that. with that i will turn it over to ranking member braun for his opening statement. >> thank you senator hickenlooper. i have most recently come off of the pavement of running, and i can tell you, long before covid, a state like indiana, i visited all counties every year that i am a senator. and i learn so much. workforce was the number one issue, dwarfing even rural
broadband and affordable housing. so every time i sit down with a business in indiana, we keep wrestling with this issue, and that gap is growing wider, rather than naturally trending. you would hope that when those high demand and high wage jobs are out there, that there would be an easier way to delve tail on the basic education you get in high school, to whatever you want to do next, including, immediately getting into the workforce. and a lot of the start-ups and small businesses, turning into larger ones. over half of their members grapple with that, even the one's with six or fewer employees. we are currently looking at reauthorizing the workforce opportunity at. and maybe along with
agriculture, it is one of the most bipartisan efforts i have seen in the senate. we have that going forward as well. some of my colleagues are eager to increase development funding in job force training, workforce development, through reconciliation. a process we are going through currently. i will tell you that i think that to get the proper input, employers across the country, from them, we need to be careful there so that we get it right. and that we do this through regular order and maybe like this, discuss it, bring expert witnesses in. and check where the rubber meets the road are across the country. one way to serve employers needs is through industry recognized apprentice programs. these allow job creators to have input and more active role in what you can do. through economy changes, these
allow flexible innovation. today you will have a chance to hear from toyed manufacturing, not far from where i live in indiana. they have done an excellent job with their academy. i think it's a model that countries across companies across the country should aspire to. i will close with this. when you have the cost of a college education, now eclipsing the rate of cost growth per year, that have health care, you have actually reason to a new level of kind of having a dubious category of what is probably, along with health care, the most important thing we need to get right. i served on the education committee. in the indiana state legislature. and believe that a lot of our issues go to our state board of
education, actually thinking they are doing things by lip service. and generally this aggregated programs that just squeak by. and have issues that where you actually stigmatize the pathway. i found in my own school district, in my home county, when i served on, where there was no discussion with kids in middle school, especially when they get to high school, of what your options are. parents are our main allies in this. because they probably have one or two kids with a four year degree, half of them didn't make it to the finish line. author that did got a degree with no market. that's said with as much money we have spent on it. so i think this is going to be collaborative and parents are the main stakeholders in higher education across the country.
it's the ballet wick of states. we can do a few things here, and i'm looking forward to taking the horns and products in a better place. >> thank you very much, ranking member braun. now we will get to witness testimony. but we will talk about this a bit more. manufacturing entrepreneur, ceo of a plastics company, medical. he has been on a journey to create opportunities in government. i have a dream foundation. almost no chance and gave 90% of them, these students were given a chance. founder and ceo of our nonprofit, career wise. i think he is one of the pioneering organizations of american youth apprenticeship.
industry, led student centered model that trains high school students -- trains high school students for modern economy type jobs, advanced manufacturing, business opportunities, i.t., finance, health care, down the list. on monday, mr. ginsburg was selected to serve on the department of labor advisory committee on apprenticeships. i worked last night practicing name. with a name like hickenlooper you have a certain respect -- but mr. navarro is with insurance in colorado, with the korean ice program. and registered with insurance
in colorado. mr. navarro is chair of the education as well as property and casualty insurance. for apprenticeships, she knows where she wants to take her career and additional training. horror -- i also understand your sister alexa has accompanied you here. thank you for coming all the way out here. thank you. go ahead. ranking member braun and introduce your witness. >> leah curry, president of toyota manufacturers in indiana. an hour away from where i live. they came into the marketplace many years ago. and it's a chronic issue getting the workforce right.
and we were in competition coming in. for heightened labor supply. i love that, when you raise wages the old-fashioned way. and response, all production and administrative functions producing the toyota highlander's and sacagawea, she started her career in the 1997. and is a leader in manufacturing and workforce training. she will tell us today about the innovative 4t program that toyota began in princeton, indiana. and it's an innovative model that other companies need to look at. mpanies >> great. so with that -- go ahead with your testimony. >> thank you, senator hickenlooper and for being such an advocate, both as a mayor, business owner and now senator.
the challenges we have in this country is that there are multiple paths to opportunity. and because of that, i left a business that i founded over 41 years ago, because i believe that this model of apprenticeship that i will share candy transformational to our country. for our businesses and for our young people. when i think back to the business that the senator mentioned, i started it years ago. i was a junior in college when i started that business. so i really knew nothing about the business. so i knew that the success that my business would have would be grounded in the people ahead around me. in the talent i had. around me. so i would knock on front doors and i spent ten years learning. it wasn't as much as what was
happening in the classroom with the role that industry played. it set me on a journey that ultimately led to going to learn about -- with 70% of students in high school who start a apprenticeship lead thing to a job, i job the pays between 45,000 dollars and 60,000 dollars a year starting. the second reason is what the senator mentioned. the dream that i spent ten years with, part of the i have a dream foundation, we did start with a 90% drop out rate, and turned it into a 90% graduation rate. if we can do that for 42, then we can do that for all the states, maybe even a country. and i believe that after five years, that we actually have the opportunity to not just
talk about this with the role that business can play. but to partner with the education system and the ways that we can transform this country and opportunity, like, for young people that you will hear about later on in testimony. so the way our model works. it starts in the 11th or 12th grade, where students will stand spend two days a week. three days a week at a business, two days a week in a classroom. and then the third year, depending on factors, could be full time out of the class from. they are being paid an apprenticeship wage. if you think about a student growing up in the intercity, the difference between staying in school or not, maybe may be whether they can keep food on the table. so with an apprenticeship program from careerwise you can do both. it's a career that is limitless for these young people because they have the potential. an apprenticeship is unique
because u.s. is stubbornness. schools cannot be expected to modify the curriculum every year. this is a way to blend the learning experience with the classroom, with the power of the learning that takes place in the workplace. education belongs in both places. education belongit's almost as g about a three legged stool. the first is k-12, the second is higher and, and yes we should make investments in those. and continue to do that. but it's not the only answer. a two legged stool will not stand up. frankly ours is not in this country. but a three legged stool can. the difference is that industry has a role to play. in so doing, it's not just consumer talents, but it can be transformational for our young people and for our businesses. what makes this possible and
why career services are so critical, is the role they play. this is not natural. yes, we have great apprenticeships in the trade sector in this country that have been led by the unions. but it's not the only place where partnerships along. these are in high school because there is a cliff that happens. they have been told that there is only one path to prepare a prosperity. if you add that third leg to school you can change everyone. i can tell you, in my own business, seeing a young apprentice, for example, a 17 year old, african american young man, he designed automation that allowed us to bring products to market. he also went in for his engineering degree. we paid for it. why? because it is in our self interest. this is more than just the program. it is something that can change our country. in the words of jamie diamond, the ceo of jpmorgan chase, who brought us to new york, and
went to indiana, he said something that was powerful. after visiting this insurance company, he said, if each of us would do it pinnacle does, and make them use apprentices, it would change this country. that's the reason i left my business. that's the reason i spend 50 hours a week at career wise, because i think we can change the country, so that ten years from now we will not be talking about this problem. thank you. >> thank you, noel ginburg. appreciate that. -- >> good morning everyone. i completed my registered apprenticeship with pinnacle insurance and became a full-time worker at a business development representative. before my apprenticeship i did not know it pathways going to take. i could have gone to something that did not suit me.
that's what a lot of people my age to. they do not feel like they have options. but because of my apprenticeship i feel like i do have options. because my apprenticeship i have experience, confidence and a career path and the ability to provide for myself. today i would like to tell you how my apprenticeship has affected my life. i grew up in denver, colorado with my mom, three brothers and one sister. my primates parents primarily spoke spanish. i wasn't the type of person that thought i would go to college before i knew what i want to do. i try to figure out what i wanted to do before spending a lot of money. to do bwhen i was in high schod not want to do know what i wanted to do for a career. so i tried several other ways. it is a world in class and internship. then my high school coordinator, suzie, suggested an apprenticeship. without her i would not have tried an apprenticeship and i would not be here today without
her. i would also like to thank pinnacle and the amazing people who helped train me and be the person i am today. i did my friendship with pinnacle, an insurance company in denver. i spent half of my days my first year at school and my other half at work. i was attracted to the apprenticeship because of the different pathways opened. in addition, a pinnacle, about 5% of the workforce are youth apprentices, so i had lots of other young people to work with. and learned with. i learned a lot of skills. time management is a big one. when i was in high school, there was not discussions of showing up late or meeting at that line. but at work ahead to meet a deadline. i had to learn how to manage my time and make sure assignments were done on time. gradually, teachers commented that they noticed i had become more mature at school. without my apprenticeship
training, i definitely would not be here with you today. i like meeting new teams and learned new things. in the beginning of a stressful. but then i accomplished and i know that i am ready for more in life. learning is an ongoing seal. knowing that i am an expert in these skills, and i keep getting experience. one of my most proud moments on my apprenticeship was my management of an entire claims q. we were the only ones in charged. i found that we were trusted. just like the adults. when i started the apprenticeship my parents were head hesitant. but soon they got on board. i was soon hired full-time. i am so proud of myself for my work at pinnacle.
i'm also going to college now and know what i want to do with my career. my company will help with my tuition so i won't have debt. i have property casualty insurance certification. i now have my own place and got out of my parents home. this is an opportunity for promotion. i have the hope for a better future. i will become a fully trained employee who can provide for myself. i want the committee to know that my apprenticeship has changed my life. it has given me the confidence and professionalism to succeed and whatever i want to do. it has been a wonderful experience and i hope that more businesses hire high school apprentices the other students can have the opportunity that i had. thank you so much for listening. >> thank you, ms. navarro. that was very well done. thank you for coming. ms. curry?
>> good morning chairman hickenlooper and senator braun. my name is leah curry, and at my company we produce some of the most technologically advanced vehicles on the road. i want to thank the committee for conducting this hearing. workforce development is extremely important. it is a topic i care deeply about, being in the industry for 41 years. these senators on the committee who represent states where toyota has significant operations. over the years, toyota's investments have included 29 billion dollars in the united states. 2020, we completed our [inaudible] one year earlier than anticipated.
we announced a 803 million dollar grant program, that developed 1400 jobs. with two manufacturing facilities overall with 1500 dealerships, and 180,000 people working across the united states, that workforce pipeline is of paramount importance to toyota. my passion for workforce development directly connected to my own experience as a young woman trying to find a way academically and professionally. initially i thought i wanted to be a chemist. we unfortunately, chemical analysis wasn't for me. instead, i learned that i liked troubleshooting rather than building analysis. that was exciting to me. so i return to school for industrial electronics. i was able to learn serious skills and apply them immediately on the job in my apprenticeship. i was often being the only woman around but was not
deterred. i turned my passions for machines into a manufacturing career. i experienced a few things that come to mind that are fundamental to how toyota approaches workforce development. this includes exposure. after already embarking on serious work for study, i was exposed to the program. if i had not been exposed to the program i would not have landed on my feet. toyota provided 3.9 million to k through 12 schools and provide students with education. in the area close to my plants we have teamed up with four local high schools, designed to connect students with career opportunities in advanced manufacturing. these efforts have significantly increased the durability of manufacturing
core pathways in our region. secondly, combining class learning with on the job experiences it's by far the most powerful way to learn. we operate manufacturing plants and collaborate to develop a highly successful advanced technician program. our students attend school three days a week and apply technical knowledge. there is distinct manufacturing core skills, using co-op experience. we partner with universities and about 400 employers, over 32 chapters in 12 states, known collectively as the federation of manufacturing education. it is now led by the manufacturing institute, of which i am on the board. it is quickly becoming americas
premier homegrown manufacturing tech organization. despite the pandemic, i cannot overstate the importance of bringing -- toyota is collaborating with national partnerships an equity, to increase participation of women and underrepresented groups in education paths, including in manufacturing careers. as the full committee considers next steps, i want to offer to policy suggestions. first, early matters. i want to emphasize the considering of workforce policy in conjunction with education policy. if education policy is not flexible and allow students to consider multiple pathways, they will miss out on opportunities.
second, i urge the community to prioritize reauthorization. the committee should continue to recommend change that further increases affective participation in work for systems. the same systems that occur and informs and drives workforce development. i appreciate this opportunity to testify before you and i look forward to expanding on these comments in a few minutes. thank you. >> thank you so much, ms. curry. thank you for what you are doing in the workforce. so now i will ask a few questions. and senator brown, we will give you a broad cross section. let's start with mr. ginsburg. why is it that you think that intermediaries are so important
for these businesses, to develop an apprenticeship program? why do we need intermediaries? >> thank you, senator. that's an important question because i can tell you as a business owner myself, we struggle to create these programs, we struggled for years. because we are small business we did not have the resources or knowledge. we didn't, frankly, now how to tap the talents. why an intermediary is so important is that in a u.s. context, currently businesses, few of them are like pinnacle, that actually understand the role they can play. but if you are a small business, having an intermediary that connects you to a school, it educates the parents about the opportunities link and education to businesses as well
into how an apprenticeship operates, and is so essential to encouraging a young person. once they graduate, if they move, to another business, with a registered apprenticeship -- you know with the training looks like. you know that it is high quality. an intermediary enables all of that to take place. and the same time, a large company, even they don't always have the resources, particularly iran to youth. how to bring a young person into the workplace. because this is an internship, providing valuable work. during the pandemic, 68% of students are working as apprentices, because they were essential workers. an intermediary makes that possible. >> thank. you i was going to say, at the beginning -- i'm sorry [inaudible] , appreciate that.
miss curry, i want to ask you more about the 4t academy, specifically how you build this partnership, when so many educators are convinced that college has to be the next step. how are you able to break down that stigma, that you must go to college? it's a mantra that many kids here all the time in school. >> thank you, senator. the key is really getting to the students and the parents, like you described earlier. and also to the teachers. and showing them, bringing them and showing them what careers and manufacturing are like and what types of skills we actually build in a career. so our 4t, in local high schools, we started with three, we are going on to four and
five next year. it is in a perfect marriage with a lot of students who -- like we have heard, today, they are not sure about what they want to do. and this marries the perception of what career academy training places are. they are high skilled, high paying, great benefits. they build on skills and they can help get you your degree, so you can go into a manufacturing technician program, engineering, accounting, finance, marketing, development, all those skills that allow for working here. so the key is that parents understand and students are understanding, how essential these careers are. and that by learning, and going to school, and working, on the job site, i have seen the faces of the students --
their eyes are sparkling. because they feel like, hey, i am valid. i see what i want to do. and i have not seen this before. i have not been able to work in an industry that shows me how they are going to teach me skills in order to make me efficient and help add value. so it is extremely important to continue that. sorry, i am going long -- >> no, it's okay. i love the picture. we have that question in front of us. i want to give a question to mr. navarro. how can other kids -- how do you get the word out to other kids, of how beneficial these programs are? >> for me, we have presentations at school about these apprenticeships. but they are often not always able to have an apprenticeship there. so they are going to look for
the resources. often students are shy or timid. they don't want to go because they feel intimidated because there is not a person that they can talk to. but i tell them, go do it, no matter what, you will find the resources. a lot of times i go to schools and talk to them. and i think that having a person that has done it, it helps a lot. i talked to a lot of apprenticeships, and i was trying to get hired at that point, because they were three years, and i was a one-year. and i was, like it's not going to work out, i am doing school and doing this too, is it going to work out? but after speaking to them, now i want to be a representative. but it's like, who cares, you are not going to lose anything. >> thank you, i love that. all right, senator ron. >> first question will be for ms. curry. up to five high schools here --
what did you find when the first high school came on board? were you getting by in from the guidance counselors? where they into the idea of doing training as opposed to the four-year degrees? >> you know, i think most of the guidance counselors now understand that, you know, getting a skill -- if you can teach a skill, no one can take your skill away from you. you have that skill for life and you can build on it. so as we work collaboratively with them and show them the types of training that we would give them, so that students can come here, they were quick to get on board. and one of the main things -- i know that we had to teach. we had to broaden the workforce. we want to make sure there is an awareness to all of the students. and let's give assurances around the program and make it available for everyone. so once we were able to gather
and come together on how we want to market it, it really worked out. >> how did parents raft? >> we had an open house, parents came. there and they were very interested in the program. and they know about toyota but they have not been in a plant and i have not seen those high tech robotics that we use. and they were amazed. because we gave them a tour. and they were amazed at the types of careers that students, their kids, could have. and how we were able to be partnering to teach them those skills. so i think that letting them be a part of it, and let them hear it, it really helps them understand what the program is about. >> thank you. mr. ginsburg. we were talking earlier about
state board of education, that they can only be successful, thinking that it's only a four year or two year degree -- how much is that an issue for what you are trying to do? for what toyota is trying to do, what ms. navarro figured out on her own? how much is higher ed an issue from the top down, to the guidance counselors in high school? has it come along? you have seen things move in your own world. toyota looks like they are moving and making things move by being there in the community. how big is a deal is higher ed, emphasizing mostly four-year degrees? and they still, i think, stigmatize the pathways we are talking about? >> well certainly you are talking about a challenge that
is cultural in our society as well as in the education system itself. at the k-12 level, what i would tell you is, they change quickly. what they want is in is in the best interest of their kids. but i don't always understand the type of learning and career paths that enable that. at the higher ed level, they are an important part of this system. but it's always not in line with what employers need. meeting, you do your general ed first, and then you get to what you are specifically interested in. an industry -- and i think purdue university in indiana is a leader on this. they are enabling companies to send their employees to get specific training, maybe not a degree, but recognizing that a credential is valuable and so a certification. i think that needs to grow in higher education systems. i think apprenticeships, frankly, can help support and
to facilitate more students take the benefit of post secondary in a way that is career informed. and then they are trained to do that. >> thank you. sounds like you have put two and two together fairly quickly, to get to where you are today. choosing to get into the workplace. you have particular high school, you said that they did have information. how long have they been doing this? and was that something recently that they did? that made you aware of other options, like going into the military, or a two or four year degree, or did you have to do most of it on your own? >> for my school, it was laid out but we were the pioneers. me and two others were the first to get hired at my school as apprentices, john f. kennedy high school. before that, they were
apprenticeships, and they would be for schools or community colleges. but it was not working at all. and then careerwise, they would come and do business classes. and there would be businesses hiring that here. i would give my resume and i was like, hey, i want to apply, this sounds amazing, so i put in my application. and luckily, careerwise knew the business said i was applying to. and luckily they hired me. my guides council was a big resource for me. she helped guide me through my internship, going off together -- all those things that we need to do to get hired. thank you. >> senator portman, i
understand you have a conflict, so i will give you priority to that for your questions. >> thank you, chair hickenlooper, and ranking member braun. i always want to be at the health committee but here i am at work for us and this is unbelievable. listen, i am here and i see you, employers, here in your previous incarnations. and i know everyone has a passion for this training issue. senator kaine and i have been trying successfully, that we came very close, in the frontier act, to get a program in place. and maybe you are familiar with it. i know senator baldwin have worked closely on this, as have others. and have a apprenticeship that the federal government can help with. we spend so much money in the federal government on higher ed
and i am not against that. but my gosh, shouldn't we be spending some money on training for the jobs that are available now, where they will not have a big debt? and they can go right into buying a house and buying a car? that's with this is about. our economy, post covid-19, we are still in this covid-19 pandemic, but in this time period -- we need this more than ever. i cannot tell you an employer that i talked to, and i'm sure this is true in your states, we had a summit with the oil and gas industry in ohio -- and what i hear about, number one issue? workforce. number one issue. it's truck drivers, technicians. just finding people to do the work. so these are critical issues, along with economic health. there are more important than ever. but i do think it is about the entire economy.
and it's about skills, jobs, one economists call these jobs that don't require a college degree, that the required vance training, that has been a real problem in our economy the last few years. its executives, so-called white collar jobs. but still, the biggest concern is a bunk among these middle tier jobs. and i've heard some really exciting things from high schools. and senator kaine, we will hear from in a moment, and chairs, you will hear from them, we have a committee to promote technical education. apprenticeships in the federal government. funding. increased and to provide more standards for cte. but in my view that will not solve the problem. it can't provide the level of
training that most employers need to fulfill these jobs. these are jobs, like welders and machinists, and when i heard from this morning, was a manufacturer who cannot find welders with the correct training. it's logistics experts, people who can help with computers running in every factory in america. those are the middle skill jobs and -- our idea is really, to make it simple, is to provide these program funding, not just for a two-year degrees, but also for shorter term training programs. an industry recognize certificate. and the success of these programs is unbelievable. i have heard about some of this today, again. but if you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, after ten or 12 weeks, after you get
a degree, and you get a job, you are much more likely to get it and stick around. unfortunately, those who fail in the higher ed level, that's been a discussion in this committee, most of the students do not get a degree. most, specifically, the students, they do not get a degree. but in higher ed, shouldn't we permit it for this other purpose? students who are going to get the certificate? and then they get the certificate and then they get a job. get thatwe have all heard of te situation where someone does get the degree and then they don't have a job. because they don't have the skill directly needed in the economy. and there is no better way to connect that then cte and this short term skills program that senator kaine and i have been promoting. and ranking member braun, i am grateful for his efforts, to
allow this to advance to the senate floor. we all want to get this done. managers are in support of this third frontier bill, for industry. and i would urge members to take a look at it and if you can help us with it that would be great. my hope is that we will find a vehicle here this year to be able to move forward. so i thank the witnesses for being here and for everything you are doing in your home states. i encourage more young people to step up and take advantage of these program and short term training programs. we are focused more on more on this. number one, colleges in america. they're all doing the short-term training programs. and technical schools. i think it's the best way to do this. so thank you mister chairman. >> thank you, senator. now, senator smith? >> thank you so mauve wood,
ranking member braun and chair hickenlooper. and our panelists today. so thank you for joining us. i am waiting eagerly for senator kaine to come as well. [laughs] so listen, i constantly hear the stories that you are telling, when i am back in minnesota, about people who are interested in pursuing jobs and careers that aren't dependent on a four year degree. and i hope that people like ms. navarro, who are ready to go out and hit the ground running -- people who also want to pursue a diverse range of opportunities. as senator portman was saying, from truck drivers and welders to logistics and technology. and the players are saying the exact same thing. we need these workers. so that's why this hearing is so important. it's so important we make these investments.
and these opportunities for people. i want to hone in on first, the question of registered apprenticeships. this is a question i will direct you, mister ginsburg. i have a bill called the 21st century workforce partnership act, which would help better prepare students for high skill, in demand jobs, and one element of the bill is that a prioritizes partnerships between schools and employers that have registered apprenticeship programs. so they are very employer customized, on the job training programs. these registered apprenticeships to me seem the gold standard for workforce training. and of course the return on investment is fantastic. workers who are in these programs are seeing average wages of, i understand, 60,000 dollars a year, which is really terrific. so mr. ginsburg, could you speak to us about your experience in how registered
apprenticeships programs are beneficial to workers but also to your business? >> thank you for the question, senator. in fact, they're registered system, i think, is critical, as we move, particularly youth apprentices forward. the reason why is that the quality frame that guides the apprenticeship, advised by industry -- so, the standards are what industry can do, what they trained to do. and if you are a small company, like mine, if you are a company like disney the, or jpmorgan chase, having apprenticeships in the hundreds -- for them, this is a [inaudible] . but with a registered apprenticeship, they know, that these companies, they help contribute and create, and it's the same for all of their branches throughout the country. that is a powerful tool to stay with us. that, at the same time, and
it's something that reds senator portman said, this is a complex model. an intermediary managing all of the moving parts, which we support with our employers, throughout the country, so they can register. if we don't resource workforce differently than we have in the past, the outcomes will be the same. so i think the next few weeks here, you guys have an incredibly hard job. i will tell you that investments in workforce to move this forward, i believe will move the country forward. so registration is a key component. at the same time, without the resources for intermediaries, for associations that will help bring businesses in. and basically hand hold until they learn the system, we won't be making any difference and in ten years we will be having this hearing again about the problems we have. >> we have to do this
differently and i think what you are describing, how are apprenticeships can work, it's a great example of that. another thing i think we had to do differently is to get the schools and high schools sooner. and so ms. navarro, i would like to have a chance to talk with you about that. i have been working on legislation with senator graham, that would help after school providers to help connect young people with employers, similar to the kind of experience that you had, providing on the job training and internships and korean exploration. and then moving into registered apprenticeships. and what you did. so can you talk a little bit about how you were when you were connected to this. what difference do you think it would have made if you had had exposure even earlier in your academic career? >> thank you for the question. so i started actually two internships, my summer, and
sophomore and junior year. one was at emily griffiths college. going up and working instead of going to college. i really enjoyed my experience there. and it was great to be there in the summer. so that kind of guided me to, okay, what can i do, if i will be there longer? and these internships that i can do the semester, for eight weeks, and it's the same thing again, so i started looking into the apprenticeships and with the apprenticeships i had three years. and learned a lot for certification to get the right apprenticeship. and also connected with a lot of people there. and also, on top of that, the coach. the coach helps you and you meet with them every weekend. do you talk with them about any
problems you are having. so it's a great structure that helped me be like, okay, i can talk with my coach about this, she's going to help me about college classes. i can even talk to her about life or anything. and then at pinnacle they do a six month training, how to dress professionally, in management. i did know how to dress for the day, initially. >> [laughs] >> and public speaking and everything. so with now, being 19 years old, and talking in front of the senate, it's definitely a big impact -- in colorado, i want to see my little brother, who is 14 years old, i say, you have to do a apprenticeship, because i cannot wait -- and i can start my apprenticeship an internship and exactly do it like how you are. >> ms. navarro, i think you are a good organizer. i thank, you mister chair, for
letting us go a little bit long, thank you. >> thank you senator. >> senator tuberville. >> thank you senator hickenlooper and senator braun for having this. this is much needed. if we could have one of these hearings every week for the next ten years or probably wouldn't be enough. i've spent 41 years in education. i'm here because of education. iran for the u.s. senate in the state of alabama, because i have seen things go in the wrong direction. >> we have one of the best education systems in the world. we could be much better. for some reason, we won't change. we won't do the things that we need to do, to make it better. for the kids coming up -- we are different from the kids nowadays. we are different and have different goals. there are different opportunities. now we have cyber, we have all those things going along with it.
but the main thing that we need to do, in my perspective, is what ms. curry said earlier. you have to expose people to something that they want to do. when i got out there every day after graduating and wanted to work, i loved every minute of it. i enjoyed it. and i think i did a pretty good job. because i liked it. and that's what we have to do for these kids nowadays. ms. navarro hit it right on the head. just having a smile on your face and being excited about doing something. we have to do something about that. when i ran, i talked with others in alabama, road builders, bridge builders. and i say, you better start educating your own. you have to educate people. we don't educate people anymore. we indoctrinate. we don't teach the things they need, to use their hands.
and people, we better stop teaching folks to use their hands and not just their brain. we need to do that. that's what we need with apprenticeships coming in, learning a scale, having a great life, because you can have a great life. and also have fun doing it. so i am here today because i want to thank you ms. curry, we have lost in the state community college in alabama, and it has one of your partnerships. how does this partnership really work? how do you get involved with a community college? >> thank you, senator. we have five partnerships in your state, actually. the coalition, the federation of advancing manufacturing, we put together small, medium and large businesses.
we actually markets to businesses with the school system. and we look at the curriculum and look at changing the curriculum to meet needs. so we have over 400 companies, small, medium and large. they have 32 different community colleges that are involved in advancing the technician programs. and it's a manufacturing institute. it's nationalized. it works very well. we teach the teacher. and we let them see what is needed. so to get that partnership, it's a partnership. since 2021, we have already
initiated nine more chapters. so we get on the manufacturing institute. and anyone can be a partner, we help them develop these types of chapters. >> thank you. i know mr. ginsburg, careerwise has a contract with birmingham promise initiative in alabama. what are apprentice is paid? >> it differs, but obviously it's a minimum wage -- but it's 15 dollars or 16 dollars, even before the pandemic. because companies want to make that investment. they are graduating to make 65,000 dollars. so it's an apprenticeship wage. in a registered model, you have to increase that wage, to compensate increases. so it's a path not just to the middle class but actually
beyond. >> back in 1976, my parents spent a lot of money. my first contract teaching school was 8500 dollars a year. we have come a long way. two 55,000 dollars for an apprenticeship. we are fortunate to have jobs like that, where people can train. >> it ranges from, in their first year, 16 hours a week in the business. second year, three days a week. then it can go to full or part time depending on postsecondary options. >> what's your percentage of success? success rate? do you have people saying in your program? >> we have now graduated two cohorts of apprentices. nearly 1000 apprentices are in the program nationally. over 200 businesses, winning
home small businesses, like companies in gauche in, indiana, as well as companies in jpmorgan chase and new york. but in the cohort, the equity promise is rising. it's breaking that cement ceiling that is just above student that may not come from the same opportunity or the rights of code. they are getting jobs that pay middle class wages early on. so i would tell you the percentages are in the 30 or 40%. but we are early on. and those that graduated matriculated. they will continue with that -- it's a win. especially as they've already spent two years. the classical learning that takes place. it can be purely theoretical. what's also important is the companies reporting, it's efficient, productive, as a regular employee.
think about that. a high school student, trained for an apprenticeship, coming out of that apprenticeship with 49% accepted. for students, it's almost 100%. because of their apprenticeship. like ms. navarro. she has the opportunity to get a credential and move on to postsecondary. almost all apprentices do that. this is the path of opportunity, four options. >> one thing i would like to know about is, to give them the opportunity, to continue their education, to really enjoy it, a lot of our panel does not understand -- some of our education, if you look at the direction we are heading, with public schools, as we speak today, half the kids cannot read over the sixth grade level. and apprenticeships we'll teach them and encourage them. because they need to learn to read. to learn to right and do all those things. so i think that's another very
important aspect. >> senator, you are right on and hitting the nail on the head. senatorwhat we are seeing is tt sometimes our apprentices are not reading well, sometimes grade levels below. but when they start working, they come up to grade level faster than they would in a class. students, when they find their passion, like you did, like i was fortunate to do, it changes their life and the potential that they have as a young person, and as a member of our country and society. >> thank you. sorry for going over, mister chairman. >> no, it's okay. that was a great question and answer. senator baldwin? >> thank you so much. i really appreciate having this hearing. and our witnesses today, thank you so much for your participation. i wanted to make a couple of
observations before asking my questions. obviously, this hearing focuses on apprenticeship opportunities. and a lot of discussion about happening to young people, how they progress in their careers, what opportunities exist. i wanted to just say that i too am hearing from many of my employers, in wisconsin, a state, by the way, that is a big manufacturing state. the ranking member and i do, -- second, we go back and forth between the population percentage in our states that are manufacturing. but i wanted to address that not only are we hearing today
about workforce shortages. but we have some ambitious plans on a bipartisan basis to pass the young frontiers act, solve supply chain issues and bring manufacturing four critical supply chain items back to the u.s.. and we have a bipartisan infrastructure bill that we hope to advance, that would really scale up our interest in, say, getting rid of drinking water lateral's. we need pipe fitters and plumbers in order to get rid of all our lateral's in eight years. at our current pace it would take 70 years to do that. we need a lot more people. so my questions are going to be on a couple of things. when is, what obstacles exist what you are doing now? and how do we scale up the
types of activities that you are engaged in? to deal with the workforce issues? and then i just also wanted to note that there is another population aside from young people, who are coming up. and that's people who have been displaced from the workforce for a while and that can be for a number of reasons. training, caring for a loved one, incarceration. it could be their job going away during the pandemic. and for those individuals i think it calls for other types of programs. and what i have always been supportive of is having some scale-able job programs that allow us to help folks out of the workforce for a while. reduce barriers to their employment so we are going to
have to be working on all fronts assuming that we get our bipartisan bills across the finish line to help create a lot more new jobs. so let me ask mr. ginsburg and ms. curry. what obstacles do you see other businesses having, doing the type of partnership work that you are talking about? especially small and medium sized businesses, and how do we scale up dramatically? >> thank you for the question, senator. is this just a nice program, work and a change our country? coming from manufacturing, what i learned early on is to get to the root of the problem and solve it there. right now, where that starts -- would miss navarro shared with you --
look at your options. part of that is the work we do with schools to train them. it's framing it in a language that's not familiar. these are modern skills and opportunities and businesses don't know how to use them. having intermediaries that can help train the business, the supervisors, the coaches, registered apprenticeship models, in time, they will become self sufficient. this is transformational. i would tell you to invest in the industry. whether it's intermediaries or associations that will train
and recruit businesses to do this, in the end, it will fail because it's and their self interest. as my company, we are more profitable. we are processor of the year in the country because of our apprenticeship program. but it takes resources. if we continue to invest in our system, i'm not suggesting not funding, we need to invest in education, but if we don't move differently in the workforce, there will be nine, and the infrastructure we need in this country, whether it's digital, energy, banking, finance, insurance, it will take investment. but there is a need for resources to make that happen. >> >> offering programs, we
knew we were able to scale this up by bringing in small through large businesses and showing that there is a pathway and a curriculum and a standardized way of how to do the program. we were able to take this on and nationalize the program. i think detail the requirement of claudette -- sometimes requirements change, and so many times they cannot diversify what they want to
take. students can pick different pathways and they are not too far into that pathway. working with our educators and working with the colleges, it's clear that these are recommended and actual certified programs years and that students are awarded pathways in order to get their careers started. cool we need to show we can scale this program we have and it's the benchmark right now in our industry for how to make a scale-able program and take it national. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, mister chairman.
thanks to each of you for your expertise and willingness to testify today. my state of utah, you may not know, is the fastest growing state in this nation, according to the census bureau and the information they came out with. our employment rate right now is over 2%, and one of the reasons for that is we have a very well trained, highly educated, highly motivated workforce, and businesses are looking for people they can hire in a good, economic environment with tax and regulations. one of the reasons we have such a workforce is we have a sample apprenticeship program a. notable example of that is between a company that makes rail cars store for transit purposes and community college salt lake.
students are trained for three years. they will graduate the first cohort of 15 students with business degrees, no cost to the students. he was the beneficiary of the trump administration's industry recognized apprenticeship program, which aimed to expand private industry participation and workforce training by promoting apprenticeship. i raise that today because the current administration has apparently plan to eliminate this program or to sideline aunts, and i would note that programs are essential to help encourage more apprenticeship programs. let me start with you. do you have any idea why the
administration would be trying to add this apprenticeship promoting program? there are some who suggested it may be a result of unions who don't like the program. i'm interested in your experience with union enterprises. how do unions feel about your apprenticeship program? >> i personally don't know about the program, but we work with our skilled trade unions all the time. they are here on site doing many of our installations of quip meant. for me, i think the main thing is it must be industry lead, and it must be in collaboration with businesses and with community colleges. caused the fast pace of
technology right now -- working on hollow lenses to actually train our team members off line. there are so many different kinds of technology that are moving forward so quickly that it's key for the program the industry led. >> mr. ginsburg, any comment on that? i agree with miss curry that linking individuals and their education to a specific company with real applications in mind makes the education more effective and creates better
opportunities down the road for the students. >> clearly, that's essential. i believe in the beginning years it's important to know how to streamline the system. how do you improve the quality? at the same time, if there's anything i've heard over the last few years, there was confusion about years those that were registered in irap. at the end of the day, the objective can be achieved, but to the point, what happens in the classroom changes peoples lives and improves our economy. i have a love door -- but we also work with a company that has apprenticeships. they are wanting to expand in
the same way. they are registering apprentices. whatever we do, protect there is room for improvement and we should stay focused on that. storytelling -- it's not industry led, it's still scale-able. >> senator cain? >> thank you. i'm so excited about the opportunity to speak. i'm excited about what we are working on reconciliation, because i view it is complimentary. the needs in our country are massive.
yet, there are challenges right now, whether it's infrastructure, construction, manufacturing. there are challenges. i was traveling in the appalachian region of virginia about three weeks ago. this is the part of virginia e that's been hardest hit economically. employment is coming back, but you have a set of persistent challenges. one of the most notable employers's role though trucks. true the plant director said i could hire hundreds more people right now. i want to hire hundreds more
people, but i can't. i can advertize everywhere. i can offer incentives, but i can't get people to come and apply for these jobs. i was kind of digging in to what are the challenges you want to solve in the manufacturing process, meaning it's a problem we need to solve in the school system, and i think there's a real need in the commonwealth and in parts of the country where we need good jobs for people. we need to get them into the schools earlier than high school so they think about career paths. explaining the options that are available to people is a really cool thing. most young people don't know much about the workplace. they know what their parents do. they know what teachers do. they may not know but
opportunities are yet. we expect them to start taking classes that will equip them for a future. we want to expose to them the breadth of opportunities that are available. i come from a manufacturing household. i know senator portman mentioned this is a bill that has 39 sponsors, very, very bipartisan. if college is important enough to warrant giving a student tape telegram and, why should law -- be similarly violated?
brands available to enable students who are pursuing college. we've recently done something i'm excited about. we've allowed the reintroduction of pell grants to those who are pursuing college degrees. we want them to get good jobs and be productive. we don't allow palette grants to those students if the programs are not the length of a traditional college semester. most high quality technical educations might be eight weeks long, but they are eight hours a day with a traditional college course being three days a week for an hour and a half. the hours are dramatically more intense and programs which we currently allow pell grams. this is estimated to add a tiny
work on time, we work with the colleges to make sure we look at the attendants. the soft scale side is working in a team, being able to problem solve, and obviously with math and english, the wide range of skills you need to be successful. we offer mentors and we also offer people to help them get -- and by doing this, i think we make sure they are successful. we watch their grades. we have interactions with them. we do holistically look at ways
to help you communicate. we work on the heart, had, and hands to make sure they can apply all these things and be successful in that pathway. and we utilize our members to go out into the school system and show that if someone who looks like me is doing this job then maybe i can do it. >> thank you, senator. this is a terrific hearing. it couldn't be more timely, and i appreciate the efforts.
that's a great way to think about our workforce, not just numbers, people. it's a really timely topic. i want to build on what senator cain was talking about. we will talk about some of those skills that i do think we have to get in a bit earlier. i want to talk about cybersecurity and advanced manufacturing apprenticeships. these are the fastest-growing sectors of the workforce. there is job creators in nevada. far too often, employers struggle to fill open positions because workers lacked the technical skills or credentials needed to be successful in these kinds of jobs. i've introduced bipartisan
bills to create registered apprenticeship programs and advanced manufacturing in ways that lead to credentials. bibles increase the partnership between state colleges and the local workforce boards to target skill development in the community. can you discuss why it's so important that a registered apprenticeship way the measurable skills outcome and recognize credentials so wherever folks go, the skills are transport-able along with them? i'm thinking of cybersecurity. >> what we learned is because they are all fortune 500 companies, they work and not
every state in the country. they want one model. if mr. navarro went to another state, to another insurance company, they could see because of the registered apprenticeship the competency and it gives him credibility. exposure early on in a career is important. if you walk into an elementary school, you see banners for colleges, not banners for careers. ultimately, we need both. if all we tell a young person's to be successful in this country and get a four year
degree, there's very little equity. registered apprenticeship starts with youth. that's why the apprenticeship can be so transformational. you get a student and a young person when they are still in development, and we are training them in ways that will lead to a long term future for them. >> i couldn't agree more. claudette have gone into classrooms with robotics programs and they are building programs to create a website. these are third graders, eight or nine years old. and they were having so much fun and learning a skill.
i want to talk about the impact in the hospitality. we have people that will be displaced across this country, not just in nevada, but all across this country, and we need to do the same thing to retrain our workers. good may or may not come back at all. but we do need to focus on the retraining. we want to think about going from elementary school and into mid career, here or they might be adults already, have a family. how do we do that? >> you are talking about the need for a system.
youth apprenticeship is essentially a professional education and training system or a dual education system. throughout a person's lifetime, they should be able to retrain, get credit, or prior learning. why is that important? all the work is foundation. it lasts a lifetime in terms of the important work for us being created. in colorado, we've created training innovation. if you are 45, if someone says go back to school again, first of all, you have to start at the beginning.
>> i want to thank each of you. i know how busy you are, and all three of you are so helpful in different ways. i think it really is a pleasure -y and i could not appreciate you more. we are going to let you off the hook. we will conclude our hearing today. i want to thank my colleagues for helping us organize this, and i want to especially thank our witnesses.
you are doing the real work. you are changing the way this country thinks about skills and learning and such a way, and i think this is something we've talked about, trying to make sure we have an arc that covers a person's entire lifetime and allows people to have a life that's continually enriched by additional skills. any senators who have additional questions to ask, and i think senator braun does, we are closing this out, but you can submit questions to the record within six days. the hearing -- with that, this is adjourned,
next, a discussion on cybersecurity from american and european perspectives at the center for which you can international studies. this is an hour. >> i work at csis and i worked on cybersecurity for a while. pardon me. today's agenda, we'll have opening remarks from isabella of -- she's the chair of the institute and the chair of the cyberattack program committee. this will then be followed that has john costello, chief of staff at the national cyber director. robert kosla, director in the prime minister's office in