tv Republican Senators Discuss Border Security CSPAN October 20, 2021 2:04pm-5:07pm EDT
workforce our economy needs. next up is william. >> caller: how are you doing? >> fine, thank you. >> caller: i just got a comment about the social security. people worked all their lives, they worked 30, 40 years and they're entitled to get these benefits -- >> we will leave this program here. you can finish watching it if you go to our website c-span.org. senator ron johnson is leading a round table discussion on border security with a number of other republican senators. live coverage on c-span3. >> good afternoon. i want to welcome all of the participants. i want to thank those of you who have and are serving our nation
and your state and local governments for your service. i want to thank those that aren't serving our nation or our community for just coming here and being willing to tell your stories. i want to thank the media for attending. i truly appreciate it. we all do. this is a crisis that needs to be described, a problem that needs to be admitted to. and the media's crucial in getting the message out. i want to thank my colleagues, senator scott, senator portman. i have more to say about those two gentlemen a little later. why are we here? it's pretty simple. senator peters would not hold a hearing on this unprecedented crisis of illegal migrant flow into this country. recently retired border chief scott wrote a letter to this committee that the chairman ignored and when we requested a hearing, he simply wouldn't
agree to holding one. now, that's been pretty true of all the democrat chairs of committees throughout the house or senate. they'll talk if there's a nominee or a hearing where we can bring the border up as an issue, but they don't want to acknowledge this crisis. they're following the lead of the president who is completely denying that this crisis exists. i could not believe it when secretary mayorkas before our hearing, i asked him, do you contend that the border is closed? and he said yes. now, it was a breath of fresh air yesterday in a commerce subcommittee hearing when the commandant of the coast guard said it would be disingenuous to say that the border is closed. i appreciate that honesty from
admiral schultz. you can see the charts sprinkled around the room here. if you want a copy, we have paper copies and electronic copies. this is unprecedented. this is the largest flow since 1986 where people came in to take advantage of the amnesty. it's a crisis that didn't have to happen. this is a self-inflicted wound. as i've said repeatedly, vice president harris had no further to go than into the oval office, look at the president of the united states and realize president biden is the root cause of this crisis. so we're here today because the american public deserves the truth. we're going to try to present as many dimensions of this problem as possible. when republicans were in the majority in the senate, under my chairmanship over six years, we held over 30 hearings regarding
some aspect of the border crisis, our broken immigration system. so the way we're structuring this today, we have three panels. i'll introduce the first, senator scott will introduce the second. and senator portman will introduce the third. the first panel is going to really describe the current crisis of the border and the biden policies that caused it. the second panel, senator scott will introduce them because he has experience with the impact that this unprecedented flow of illegal immigrants are having on our local communities, on our states. as the governor of florida, he had to deal with that. he'll introduce that panel. and our third panel will describe the impact on people. the tragedies of overdoses and violence as a result of this unprecedented flow of illegal immigration and senator portman
will introduce that panel. senator portman has a great deal of experience shutting down back page, the sex trafficking aspect of this, looking into the opioid crisis, fentanyl, human trafficking with -- i guess it was an egg farm in ohio that held an earlier hearing. i want to thank everybody for attending. this is two segments. we're going to have two-minute short opening statements by the group, ask some questions, open it up to questions from the press and then once that is over, we'll come back and there will be -- their full five-minute statements and more and in-depth questions. let me start by introducing our first panel. our first speaker will be mr. martin morgan. mr. morgan has a 30-year career in law enforcement with dhs and the fbi. he served as acting commissioner as understanding customs and border protection.
president obama appointed mr. morgan as the u.s. border patrol chief as the acting senate commissioner for internal affairs. he served for nearly 20 years at the fbi. during his tenure, he served in numerous units and task forces including the organized crime task force and a hispanic gang task force out of the los angeles field office. the fbi's deputy on scene commander for the counterterrorism division in baghdad and special agent in charge. he has a great deal of experience. thanks for being here. >> senator johnson, portman, senator scott. thank you for your time, attention on this very critically important issue facing this country. we know you're busy. it's very heartfelt that you're taking this time. i'm going to briefly talk about an area of focus. what this is really about, first and foremost, this is about
border security. this is not about illegal immigration. illegal immigration is simply a subset of the larger issue being border security. if you open up your borders to one threat or one crisis, you're opening your borders up to the vast, complex set of threats. if you expand illegal immigration, you're pulling essential resources off the line, opening those borders up to criminal aliens, to gang members, increase human smuggling, human trafficking and drugs pouring into this country. another key area that we don't do good enough job is, what happens at the southwest border does not stay at the southwest border. that's just -- it's false. every town, city and state in this country is a border town city and state. it doesn't stay at the southwest border. if you have a drug overdose from
fentanyl, take it to the bank that fentanyl, it came from the southwest border. equally as important to me is not only have the borders been wide open, jeopardizing every aspect of our public health, safety and national security, what's just as frustrating for me -- and i do, i get up as an american angry almost every day. why? because i know, we know because we've been there, this administration is way beyond not being transparent. they're lying to the american people. and i respect the commandant to say that the borders are closed are disingenuous. i'm going to go a step further, secretary mayorkas is lying to the american people. 400,000 goodways this fiscal year. all-time record high. if the secretary was in front of me right now, i would say, mr. secretary, stop lying to the american people. thank you. >> thank you, mr. morgan.
our next participant is mr. rodney scott who served as the u.s. border patrol and federal law enforcement agent for over 29 years in career nonpartisan civil service positions. during his career, mr. scott earned positions of deputy executive director office of antiterrorism, the office of incident management and operations coordination, the agent in charge of the brownfield station, and the chief patrol agent in the san diego sector. mr. scott was named chief of u.s. border patrol in 2020 where he led the office into his retirement in august 2021. mr. scott. >> i'm going to echo some of mr. morgan's comments. thank you for this opportunity. thank you for the time and for highlighting this important issue today. and thank you for reading my letter. i'm here today to bring attention to the irresponsible and reckless policies that are
being implemented by the current administration on the border despite being advised otherwise by professional border security personnel that have been involved in this for decades. i also want to address some of the inaccurate statements that are being made and you brought one of them up and i just want to clarify, the border is not secure and the border is clearly less secure today than it was in january of 2021. further, i want to highlight that in my professional assessment, the reason the border is less secure is directly related to policy decisions that are being made. border security as mr. morgan mentioned, it's much broader and bigger than immigration. immigration is a succumb -- subcomponent. if we can't control who and what is in our home, we have no
security. the highly visible illegal immigration that's going on on the southwest border, that's only part of the issue and i need to highlight as well, there's 1 -- when i left as chief, there were over 150 different nationalities mixed in. it's not just the haitians you hear people talking about or just the south americans. it's 150 different nations. many of those nations involve -- or many of those nations are directly tied to supporting or ignoring terrorism threats. countless border security professionals briefed the transition team and briefed incoming administration personnel that if they rescinded the commonsense border initiatives that were put in place recently, if they stopped building the border wall, we all predicted that there would be a mass migration. and the mass migration creates havoc on the border. the real issue at hand is that the border patrol agents are being distracted and being
overwhelmed. while the nation was looking at a bunch -- at thousands of haitians under a bridge in del rio, they were focused on taking care of them, securing that area which left hundreds of miles of border unmanned. so what that really meant was that the smugglers were crossing that border at will. what were they bringing? the fentanyl, cocaine and heroin. everything that crosses the border leaves the border. it doesn't stay there. it's going to a state, city town and likely your state, city and town. we'll hear more about that later today. i think there's some commonsense solutions. some of them have been on the table before. some of them are reimplementing the remain in mexico policy, if you will, which all that did was ensure judicial process while not giving away the prize before the judge had a chance to make a decision. and reimplementing or continuing to build out the border wall as
was a bipartisan issue for decades and has already been paid for. those gaps in the barrier right now are also requiring more agents to be taken off of enforcement duties every day and further opening the border for exploitation. i thank you for your time. i look forward to getting a little bit more into the details as the day goes on. and i'm here to answer your questions. >> thank you, mr. scott. >> our next participant is mr. tom holeman. he has a 34-year career in immigration and law enforcement. he began as a police officer in new york before joining the former immigration naturalization service in 1984. he served as a border patrol agent in a supervisory area. he served as special assistant -- special agent in charge of dallas and special deputy agent in charge of the i.c.e. dallas field office.
the southern border. the number of migrant deaths is the highest they've been. vulnerable populations will put themselves in the hands of criminal cartels to be smuggled into the united states and many of them will lose their lives. 31% of women who make that journey will get raped. that's not my number. it's devastating as a career law enforcement officer who worked closely with the others to help secure the border to see it destroyed within two weeks is unpresidential. and the american people need to speak up and take some action. i've never seen anything like i'm seeing today. people are dying. and one shout-out to the border patrol agents out there who have been vilified by the president, the vice president and the secretary about the horse patrol. those agents did nothing wrong. they enforced the law. but no one wants to talk about the haitians that were
committing a crime by entering the country illegally, ignoring a federal law enforcement's orders which was a felony. these men and women did their jobs. they need to be respected and need to be honored. they have lost complete control of the border. i talked to several chief patrol agents that tell me they have lost operational control of the border under this president. they've lost respect in the commander in chief and in the secretary. when the president of the united states stands up and makes a speech that the last administration watched children die of starvation and these men and women in green did nothing about it was the most shameful thing i've seen a president say. border patrol agents saved over 7,000 lives this year. i look forward to answering your questions and thank you for inviting me. >> thank you. senator scott. i want to thank senator johnson for organizing this event today.
i want to thank each of you for being here. my heart goes out to -- anyone who has lost their family members. i don't think any of us can imagine losing a child or a grandchild. i was governor of florida and what i was shocked about was how cavalier sometimes our federal government is. when you talk to sheriffs today around the state of florida, they're going to tell you that unbelievable amounts of fentanyl is coming in and it's killing people. it's killing american citizens. there's no reason for that to happen. when we had refugees coming into florida, i had a call with the white house and the obama chief of staff told me, you have no right to know who we send into your state. you have no right to know as the governor of florida if we have any -- what their criminal background is. how could -- how could we have a federal government that thinks that they cannot care fentanyl comes into my state and not care
who comes in my state and what their background is and that i have no right to know and nobody in my law enforcement community has the right to know. so we're going to talk about the impact on american communities. it's impacting all communities. every community in the country is getting impacted. so let's start with our first person, mayor douglas nickels. thank you for being here. >> thank you for the invitation today to tell the story of what's happening. it's one of those opportunities that we always take advantage of because whether you're walking the border with us or looking at firsthand experience, it's very important to understand how it's effecting us. but really is as a community, yuma is supportive of our border patrol agents, of our i.c.e. agents and the jobs that they do every day. they're an important part of your community and so when their
job is above and beyond nearly impossible, it effects our community purely because of our relationship with them. and they do an amazing job with the limited resources that they have. part of the -- part of the stress for our agents but also for our community is being part of a human trafficking highway. transnational criminal organizations have commoditized people from around the world. that only leads to violations of human dignity which we talked about rape, abuse, these are not values that america subscribes. these are not american values. border patrol can't fix this. i.c.e. can't fix this regardless of how great of a job they do. it comes to policy and legislation. it comes to making the situation that will break this highway that comes through yuma and the only way you do that is with
systemwide changes to make sure that we're disrupting this business of these transnational criminal organizations. through the yuma sector alone, they're bringing in $16 million a week in human trafficking. ironically, our drug seizers are down. they're busy with these -- up to 1,000 people a day coming across the border in yuma. they don't have time today the rest of the interdiction for drugs and other things coming into our country as well as the those looking to evade. there have been over 6,000 people evade just in this last year that we know of while we've sat and have had to deal with the men and women who come across the border and turn themselves in to get into the system. i want to thank you for the opportunity. i look forward to diving deeper
into this discussion. >> thanks for taking care of your community. i had the opportunity as governor of florida to really get to know our sheriffs and our sheriffs are there every day trying to make sure every citizen in their community is safe and so it's frustrating for sheriffs in my state of florida when they see a federal government that is not their partner. right now the federal government is not acting as a partner with law enforcement. we're going to here from the sheriff of bristol county, massachusetts. >> thank you. senators, thank you very much. as a matter of context, let me just make a point about something that most people aren't aware of. massachusetts between 2007 and 2017 had the highest influx of illegal aliens than any other state in the united states. recently, the biden administration decided to create and i.c.e. these ten documentation locations where people who are flowing across the border, tell them where to
go, tell them the state and go there. between june -- june 2nd and today, during the month of june, they had 21 -- 21 had shown up. today it's 116,000. we lead the united states again with these people pouring into our country. when i first took over, i have been doing immigration detention for that entire time as well as 286g program in recent years. back early on, people talked about the border issues as geographic locations. then it was after the biden administration came in, it began creating this crisis. it suddenly became every state was a border state. i think if we're going to be accurate about this, we have to be honest and let everybody know because we have our boots on the ground. this is a neighborhood issue. not just a state issue. this is an every neighborhood across this nation.
it's tearing apart families with the drug overdoses and the fentanyl pouring in. the gang violence in the neighborhoods and the schools is out of control. and, frankly, this was done knowingly and intentionally by the biden administration and what they have done is they have intentionally undermined our partnerships with critical partnerships with i.c.e. and made it almost impossible for us to hold people that we otherwise could have, and in my case, after 25 years of doing detention, we were a model for the nation on our standards in the way that we ran our operations. i got a phone call in may this past year. within an hour, they shut down through secretary mayorkas, they shut down my entire operation. we have people that we would have held and i.c.e. looking for in our communities that are exposing the citizens of our neighborhoods to more crime and
more problems. and i will just end with this last point. every one of us, including the biden administration, particularly, took an oath of public trust. to uphold the laws as we did. and they have intentionally, intentionally undermined that oath and they've exposed law enforcement the inability to maximum our potential to do our job. and i'll be happy to expound upon that later on. thank you very much for having me here today. >> we'll hear from jessica vaughn. >> thank you. thank you. what is the impact on american communities? well, this 27-year-old report done by the state of florida, which i just recently learned about, gets it exactly right. the title of it is "the unfair
burden." and what they discovered was, when they added up all the costs of illegal immigration, they found it cost the taxpayers of florida $884 million back then in 1993 which is the equivalent of $1.7 billion today. and this is a burden that the biden administration blithely pushes onto state and local governments and taxpayers. the burden includes adding hundreds of thousands of new workers to the labor market creating unfair job competition for u.s. workers, especially the less educated americans who have been hit hardest in the pandemic shutdown. it's a huge burden for the schools to deal with, the influx of kids, mostly teens who can't just be dropped into existing classes and curriculums. medical care, social services, even federal entitlement payments. it adds up and is going to keep growing because, to be honest, the new illegal arrivals are here for the foreseeable future.
and some serious public safety problems that we've heard, besides more criminal aliens, there are crimes that are directly associated with the border influx, like human trafficking, indentured labor and gangs. and the more people who are allowed to enter after crossing illegally, the more people who are going to keep coming. and this is so dangerous that i believe that it is morally wrong for us to have policies that entice people to come, give up their life savings, put themselves in the hands of a criminal smuggling organization to come here illegally. what i can't put a price on is the destruction of the integrity of our legal immigration system. it's an insult to legal immigrants to tolerate so much illegal immigration. the difference between 1994 when this study was done and now is that back then, the clinton administration and congress acknowledged the costs and agreed to work with florida to
try to mitigate them. they even tried to curtail illegal entry. but that's what's missing now. we're not getting that effort to work together with the states to address the problem. thanks. >> thank each of you. let me turn it over to senator portman. >> thank you, senator. thanks so much to the testimony we've already heard and to our witnesses today who have devoted their lives to helping to protect this country. thank you for your service and to our mayor and sheriff, thank you for your service. jessica, thank you for your comments. i'm going to talk for a minute about two additional witnesses. virginia kreeger. they're here today to talk about the real-world impacts. not just to bring people across, but to bring all kinds of
contraband. and i spent the last 25 or 30 years focused on one aspect of this, which is the drug issue. i started my own drug prevention program back home that is still very active. been involved in legislation on treatment and recovery. and the demand side of the drug issue has to be dealt with. and i think -- i've talked to all three of these gentlemen about that. but we have to deal with the supply side. and right now we have an unprecedented amount of deadly drugs coming over our southern border. we've never seen anything like it. several years ago, i got very involved in this issue and did some investigations here and we figured out that china was the culprit on the deadliest of all the drugs which was fentanyl. and we put in place some policies. we changed the law. but it's like whack-a-mole. we stop the u.s. postal service from delivering the poisons into
our community, now it's going to mexico. it's being made into fentanyl there, sometimes in pill form. there's been more fentanyl found in the last year coming over that border than in our entire history. and enough to kill every single man, woman and child in america. just last week, there was a couple kilos of fentanyl found in ohio. enough to kill a couple hundred thousand people or more. so this is -- it's unprecedented. and we talk about the illegals who get away. in other words, where -- mr. morgan talked about this. there's no way to really know what that number is. we know it's significant. i woke up to "the washington post" this morning and learned that the apprehensions in the last year are at record highs since 1986. 35 years ago. and i'm old enough to have been
around in 1986. today, these numbers are just overwhelming. and with that is coming a lot of people who are never touched by the border patrol. and on their backs, or in their pockets, in the case of fentanyl, you can have a small supply that can be deadly and expensive, is coming in a lot of other contraband. we don't know how many drugs are being apprehended. apprehensions are up on the border, overall, surprisingly, because the border patrol have so many different things to contend to, they can't focus on the drugs as much as they should. i was down on the border with them and seeing what's happening, so this is affecting our communities. and, virginia, i know you're going to talk about that. you're from ohio. and you have taken your grief
and you channelled it into something very constructive, including trying to convince young people that they need to stay away from all these street drugs because they're all potentially deadly now. it's not just fentanyl. it's cocaine. it's pure crystal meth coming from mexico. it's marijuana and other drugs all coming across the border. and, again, the demand side is important to reduce the demand. i think that's the single most important thing. but the supply is important. and think about it, with all of this fentanyl streaming across the border, the cost has gone down and down and down to the point that on the streets of akron, ohio, the fentanyl is cheaper and cheaper and this year, sadly, the data we have from 2020 indicates we've had the most deaths from overdoses of drugs ever in the history of our country. we were making great progress thanks to legislation we passed around long here and frankly great work being done in your
city and state. as you know now, it's back up. and so this border issue is about illegal immigration, of course, but it's about this contraband and it's also about the gangs and the violence and the people who are coming in who should not be in our country. some of whom have criminal records. and i know you're going to talk a little bit about that. we've got to do what's necessary to protect our country and, again, we're all border states now. we're all affected, as you said, sheriff. and really it is about our neighborhoods and our families. with that, i would like to ask you, virginia, if you wouldn't mind saying a few words and if you would talk a little bit about some of the things that you have experienced and also what you're doing, again, thank you, both, for taking your tragedy and helping others to be able to avoid experiencing the same thing. >> first, i would like to thank
you senator portman, senator johnson, and senator scott for hosting this very important forum today. as you know, my daughter died in 2015 from a single pill that was made to look identical to a trademarked pharmaceutical product known as percocet. tiffany didn't seek to use fentanyl. tiffany didn't really have any issues at all before that day when she died. and now we have an entirely new population of young people being affected by this fentanyl crisis that we have never in the history of this country seen before dying and they are the nonaddicted victims. young people who are getting counterfeit pills either given to them by a friend or being purchased on online platforms like snapchat that make these pills available to anyone who has a smartphone, including
children as young as 12 years old. we've had three 12-year-old children die in the past month who were able to go onto these platforms, order what they thought was a xanax which turned out to be pure fentanyl. these children didn't overdose. the majority of people dying right now are not overdosing and we need to start calling them what they are. these are poisonings. any time anyone takes a harmful substance and disguises it as something else or puts it into something for another to consume, it doesn't matter what they are consuming. that deception makes it a poisoning. to deliberately put it in the form of a trademarked pharmaceutical product which is known not to be deadly is even worse. i'll get into more details about that when i give my presentation. but this is a crisis that's gone
under the radar and it's going to continue to get worse as we have this entirely new population of young people that have never been affected before being affected. the young kid who might try a drug one time, the girl who broke up with her boyfriend and her friend offering her a xanax so she can get through the night. they're not addicted. they're just young people who are having life problems. but now they're dying. and we're going to continue to see that number go up and up and up until we do two things, stop the fentanyl from getting to them, and warn them. so i thank you for having me today and giving us the opportunity to share more about that. and hopefully we can work together to do something about it. but it needs to start by preventing it from even getting to them in the first place and that is where the border crisis comes into play. thank you.
>> thank you, senators, for having me, for giving my late son, dominic, i brought him with me. these are his ashes. for giving him a voice. i'm a legal immigrant. now an angel mom. because an illegal killed my only child in riverside, california, on 7-12-12. my son was on his way to work as a 911 communications officer. at 5:45 a.m., my family was destroyed, annihilated in the blink of an eye and i received that phone call that every parent fears. he was struck by an illegal alien repeat offender with grand theft, armed robbery convictions and two duis. he received nine months, five
year probation and served 35 days. if the existing immigration laws on the books would have been upheld in the first -- the first time they had him, the second time, the third time, i wouldn't be here and my son would still be enjoying his beautiful life and thousands of other families like mine wouldn't know my grief and pain. illegals are no longer hiding in the shadows. they feel emboldened and entitled with this administration rewarding them, encouraging them and inviting them to come. all while handcuffing our border patrol, i.c.e. agents. illegals are held to a different standard than americans. the law often rules in favor of those who are not supposed to be here and they get deals and breaks a citizen wouldn't get. it's an issue that effects all
americans regardless of what party you belong to, where you live, what city and state. it's for everybody that lives in america. there are hardly any consequences for illegals, the cartels get richer and more powerful funneling drugs and human trafficking while americans have pay a ice pry for this insanity. it costs this country billions yearly. they're admitted into this country not covid tested and then transported throughout america. is that not aiding and abetting a felony? women and children are being used, abused, sex traffic, and the ones who used to scream about kids in cages are suddenly quiet. if somebody gets shot, they're calling for gun confiscation. if an illegal alien kills an american, no one calls for their
confiscation. illegal is not a race last i checked. changing the term illegal alien to undocumented immigrant is not only an insult to all legal immigrants like myself, but the media is also complicit in underreporting crimes committed by illegals and by hardly speaking to any of us affected. why is this administration not doing everything in their power to secure our border, stop all freebies going to illegals and deport the ones that are here and draining our system while americans often have to do with less or without? why are some in power making it easier for illegals but harder for americans? illegals should not have any rights in this country they entered illegally. it's long overdue to put an end to this chaos to stop the invasion and to listen to and take care of all the families who become victims at no fault of their own. we need heroes and i appreciate
you guys so much and everybody here on this panel for speaking about it because this is the only way we can change this. thank you. >> thank you. at this point in time, i think there are members of the media that would like to ask questions. let me first encourage all members of the media to stick around for the full event. we thought we would do it this way in case there were some members of the media that had a shorter time frame. i think you can understand just by the initial stories being told here that there's a lot more to tell and there will be a lot more told. so i think we have a mic that is going around. if you have a question right now and then we'll go into the full statements after we exhaust this round of questions. >> thank you. question for all three senators, please. looking at the chart of the
southwest border apprehensions, you point to the beginning of the remain in mexico policy. obviously we had a spike right after that and was not until may 2019 where president trump issued threats against mexico for them to start cooperating. bi administration is preparing to reimplement the remain in mexico policy because of a court order. but if this chart is accurate, if this chart tells a story, rather, are you concerned that without diplomacy or threats from the biden administration to get mexico to cooperate with that, reinstating or remain in mexico policy actually don't do a lot? >> first of all, i want to encourage the press to ask the questions of the panelists. i'm going to turn it over to people like mark morgan because he was there. he understood the cause and effect of the policies and the cause and effect of lifting the
policies and how much -- it's going to be difficult to put that genie back in the bottle. what president biden destroyed is profound and significant. but, you know, mr. morgan, can you answer the question there? >> yes, sir. >> and speak in the microphone and address it to us. >> make no mistake, under president trump, we took the permission, we don't need another country's permission to enforce our immigration laws. that's the position we took. one of strength and one of leverage. so, yeah, we -- part of the significant reason why mexico agreed to cooperate is -- was the threat of tariffs. and this administration, they gave away every ounce of that leverage on day one with the stroke of a political pen. so it is going to be hard to put the genie back in the bottle.
it's been months since the decision that has come. they've done absolutely nothing. so even right now, as they're opining and i as well as another patriot, we participated in multiple lawsuits and provided declarations. so i've seen what dhs has said in response to the remain in mexico program and why they say they can't enforce it and i think it's just disingenerous 100% across the board. at the end of the day, they are -- while they are telling the court that they are moving forward in good faith, they're actually right now have completed a document that's getting ready to go to the field saying they're going to end the remain in mexico program. what parallel universe does that make sense? how is that good faith and they're drafting a memo that they're going to completely end it. number two is, read the fine print. i've seen the media and done a lot of interviews and they're saying that they're going to start implementing it in november. but the fine print says, as long
as mexico agrees, right? look, they gave up all the leverage. they're putting it back on a foreign nation to secure our borders and enforce our immigration laws and that's the opposite thing to do and that's why i'm skeptical and can you shed a little more light on why you left your post and what your concerns are for those border patrol agents that are still serving on the front lines? >> you can be moved at any time. i was offered another position. i have 29 years of service. i've been eligible to retire for a while and to be completely transparent, i felt that the jobs i was being offered were way to keep me silent because
i'd been out spoken about the impacts of some of these policies. i had pushed back consistently on inaccurate statements being made publicly about the border being secure and more people being deported than released on different issues like that. i elected to retire so i could speak out. i'm very concerned with those left behind. what i mean by left behind is i do believe and back up tom statements, this administration is really walked away from border security. they left the personnel not just border patrol but customs and border protection and i.c.e. and hsi left hanging. the laws are still in place. if they try to enforce those laws as they swore by oath to do, then they are facing the wrath of the current administration. the horse patrol issue in del rio was a distraction. everybody knew the secretary, if you look at his initial statement, he knew that agents
did nothing wrong but they leveraged that to draw aattention away from their horrible border policies and the cry s they created and tried to draw attention to something that wasn't true. i'm very worried about the agents that are left behind. >> i want to add a quick remark. career professionals are normally not moved by administration. rodney was not a political appointee. he was a career professional. the deputy commissioner has left because he was being moved. i know two senior field office directors within i.c.e. were moved because they were out spoken. this administration is head hunting for anybody that doesn't agree with these policies. >> if i could real quick, go to any other federal agency in this country, any other, hsi, fbi, dea, whatever three letter designation and find where from
the local hospitals only reimbursed a third of that. that means the taxpayers are carrying the other two-thirds when we will receive medical care. our non-profits do an amazing job to take care of the human needs of people coming through. that has realigned some of the non-profits that have been engaged to make sure they are handling the bus loads of people that they receive daily to make sure they are transported to airports in the region for their final destination, if you would.
there's no cross border violence associated with the immigration. however, we receive a lot of negative perceptions. companies that would maybe be look to invest into a community haven't invested. visitors who might come to our community with a hotel that's already taken out of, infrastructure there in yuma for i.c.e. operations to house families, that's loss of revenue. a lot of these things are very difficult to quantify in a dollars amount but create an environment that makes it, i guess less hospitable for i vestment. we work really hard to make sure we're over coming those elements. >> there's been a vote called if we want to rotate votes. any other questions from the
press? right there. >> i want to get a sense from a few of you about going back to the border patrol and i.c.e. in terms of the administration's not really standing behind the agents where they are talk about the horse incident or other issues. how big of a problem is that going to be? do you anticipate maybe an exodus of agents, a major shortage and if there's a shortage of people patrolling the border, is there more miles of the border open? >> i'll start. as far as i.c.e., i've talked to many officers within i.c.e. and just the requirement for vaccination, they will lose hundreds if they continue in the position they are in. i.c.e. has been decapitated. that's part of my written statement. this isn't a mistake. it isn't mismanagement.
it isn't incompetence. this is open borders by design. there is no national security without border security. there is no homeland security without border security. you know what, there's no border security without interior enforcement because these hundreds of thousands released by there administration, the secretary and this piece of paper, they are a priority. they are not a priority. i'll tell you why. ask i.c.e. how many border crossers they have arrested in dwriets and removed. that number is pretty close to zero. we said recent border crossers are priorities, they give it a list of equities you must take in consideration. straight out, that being in the country illegally is no longer illegal.
says 3%. this is by design. many with covid, many with criminal histories that will never leave. >> if i may, senators, in support of what the former director said, i can tell you first hand in my area of massachusetts, the i.c.e. officer walked in the office the other day and said he put his badge on the desk and his weapon and said i'm all done. i didn't get into this business to be social worker and log people in as they are standing in rope lines outside this facility. that's what they have done. there's between 13 and 30 agents every day that are spending their time logging people in that are pouring in over this border. one other important thing that's really worth pointing out, it was mentioned earlier about atf, dea and these other federal agencies that are partners with us in law enforcement, why would
anyone, particularly in this administration, that took the same oath of public trust to uphold the laws of this nation, the most fundamental responsibility we have to protect the citizens of this nation say, you know what, i know if you continue working with fbi, dea and so forts but not i.c.e., you will not maximize your ability and people will be less safe in your neighborhoods. that's what this add mgs has done. i was in a meeting and at that meeting we were talking about exactly what was going on with regards to then things pouring in over the border and the impacts on our communities across this nation. for him to look the american people in the eye, as he did, time and again and lie to them, lie to all of us and say, no there's no problem there and it's no less safe than it was
under the trump administration is a blatant lie and he knows it. it's calculated and add service said earlier, this is intentional. the last thing i'll say with regards to importance of this wall they decided not to do anything with, i think one question needs to be ask, do you believe that the walls around the prisons in this country work? people aren't getting in and people aren't getting out. why wouldn't they work down there? it's a simple question and one i'm sure he won't be able to honestly answer. >> do you want to address the morale issue? >> i'd like to address the specific question. i am worried. even before i retired, the increase in retirements that were voluntary, not mandatory were increasing. the dialogue about the agents, i love my job. all border patrol agents are highly trained, highly
professional patriots. when they see the secretary of homeland security and even the president of the united states take due process and throw it in a trash can for a political event like the horse issue in del rio and immediately show they are willing to sacrifice federal law enforcement agents that have given up their entire career to keep this country, they start looking at their families and how do they explain to their wife and kids that this is worth while endevour. now on top of that, you have the vaccine mandate and i've taken hundreds of phone calls from agents asking for advice. a lot of the agents chose to get the vaccine once it was finally provided to them. they are dealing with people and releasing in front of them, their releasing thousands of people a day in some cases into the u.s. with no vaccine. now they are being mandated to go get a vaccine that for whatever personal reasons they may not want to get or they will lose their job.
yeah, we're at a head road here. we have some serious problems and we will lose a lot of very dedicated, very professional border patrol, i.c.e. officers. it does worry me. >> just real quick, here is another thing. i've been doing this for 35 years. i starred what is a lowest person on the life of totem pole as a united states marine, as a private. trust and confidence in your leadership. if you have trust and confidence of the leaders above you, you will do anything for them. anything for them. of course in accordance with the law. you don't have to agree with them but as long as you trust them and have confidence. the united states border patrol, i.c.e. have zero confidence in the secretary.
he told reporters that our borders are closed. at the very moment, literally, 20,000 haitians were under the bridge in del rio that had come to the united states unimpeded, sat down, established camp. they weren't apprehended. they were waiting to be apprehended. it gets even worse. they were sitting under the bridge and they got hungry. they said, hey, let's get some food. okay. they left the united states from under the bridge, went back to mexico, hit the food trucks and then illegally entered back into the united states with their food under the bridge while the secretary was saying our borders are secure. at the same time there's probably about a five-day period because they have 30,000 haitins
and others that almost every single border patrol agent was pulled off the line in del rio. 224 miles in the sector of del rio. one of nine on the southwest border that went virtually unpatrolled and unmanned for several days. it's an afront to every prosecutor in this country that he publicly became judge, jury and execution ner and trashed them, vilified them, found them guilty without any due process. he lost all confidence and trust in the agency across the board. morale is at an all time historic low among the border patrol agents.
>> how many of you believe he's lied to the american people? >> say that again? >> how many of you believe he's lied to the american people? okay. he has to resign. >> absolutely. >> that's six of the people that know him. that's all of them. >> he has to resign. i asked him when i interviewed you and said are you going to comply with the law. absolutely. he came into the committee that we were in three weeks ago and completely lied. he's lied to american people. the guy has to resign. >> you asked him three simple questions. how many have removed, how many been released? how many detained? you didn't get into the details about demographics?
he intentionally stuck his hand in the sand. both he should be removed. >> we finally got the answers to half a million people who had been dispersed. any other questions from the media? right over here. >> there's been lots of talk about late night flights of migrant children from the border into the interior of the country but we also reported last month that isis released numerous
adults from field offices around the country deep into the interior only for more migrants to be transported to this field office to fill the spaces that they were taking up in detention facilities. how does this reflect on how the government is able to handle the rush of people coming into the country? >> what would be helpful is what's the process? why is border patrol sending people to my state? why are they doing that? why don't they tell me what they are doing. >> there's this process. you get across the boarder, where do you want to go. here's your ticket to get there. >> first of all, the reason the flights are in the middle of the night is because there administration is hiding what they are doing. this administration has been lying to the american people since the end of january.
president biden has lied to the american people about what's going on and secretary lies about what's going on. they released 600,000. that's the border patrol. isis released thousands at the order of political appointees. i work with i.c.e. for decades. i ran operations. however, now the director has no authority. political appointees are running the law enforcement agencies under dhs.
million people -- where are they going? >> we built detention faci facilities. we detained people. this administration has been clear. they want to shut down private prisons and they don't want these people detained. they care for them and get them reunited with families. they get an ngo to accept large groups. >> the ngos know but not the state and local governments. >> i want to chime in quick to defend the border patrol. we're the most visible entity
because of the green uniformed and mark vehicle. the border patrol is not shipping people to any state anywhere in the united states. like any other law enforcement, you have limited options once you identify a criminal activity. you arrest the individual and you either release them with something or you detain them or in the case of the border patrol, you deport them. those are really the only options. the reason we get to the point we are today is what tom mentions. when you shut down all your deposition and you dramatically reduce your ability to deport people, then the only option left is releasing them. it's computers, short term holdings. there's no bed, no food.
the rest of the system is backed up. the other piece that's very important is that border patrol is now not patrolling the border. that's two hours of man time, agent time taken away from the border that creates these big gaps. we process and they go do i.c.e. to be detained. >> they're being moved by i.c.e. >> they're not being detained. >> we went down, 18 of my colleagues. i was on the flight. many my row i had three adults and three children. they made mail envelopes with the people, i do not speak
english. very nice, very polite, beautiful little children. when we were down there, we were being told that the goal was eight hours of processing time. this is while you're still there, chief scott. is it half a million people going through ngos? >> yeah. >> sir, i can answer that. >> real quick. that's what's happening. border patrol apprehends -- let's go with families. families and then unaccompanied minors because the majority of single adults are being removed. no documents. tell border patrol agents you have covid. none of that is relevant now. the majority of families, about 85%, border patrol will release into local communities. they are turned over to charitable organizations or ngos.
free tickets to where ever the illegal migrant want to go. >> we have no idea where they are going? >> correct. >> that's correct. >> a catholic charity that is getting fema funding or they should be getting funding. after that point we lose all control. we have no idea of the people coming other than they have the notice to appear or notice to report. >> correct. that's correct. which is a new thing. >> correct. >> show up and turn yourself in to a process where nine out of ten of you will be denied. >> they have become overwhelmed so now they are using i.c.e. air contracts to move them out of the country. the valley is over run. i've been down to the border four times since january.
>> in order for us to get this under control, it seems to me if the federal government under this administration is going to be complicit in all the fall out from all of what's going on in this country, if they're going to be moving any person in violation of the law that have come across here, there should be some requirement through legislation, every sheriff, anyone that's moved into any county, any sheriff, one or more, that sheriff should be notified before they arrive there.
it's important if the federal government doesn't know be this how many hotels are we renting and where are they and how many people are in them. our job is having our boots on the ground in working with our partners is to make sure we know where people are and what's happening in our community to protect them. there's a clear attempt to cover this up by the administration so we don't know and there lies our problem. >> we're trying to describe reality. you're saying what should happen. it's not happening. the reality is we have no idea where a half a million people that were -- i hate to say it. apprehended. they were processed and dispersed. any estimate on the unknown got aways. >> the estimate is based on situational awareness and
tracking and it's a pretty good educated estimate of how many. i think the got aways number -- >> that's the known got aways. >> i would disagree that we have no idea where they are going because there is a paper trail. you have to dig pretty deep through a will the of layers to get to it. they are being paid by the federal government to deal with it. when they arrive, the expectation is that these cases are going to be picked up by in the local i.c.e. office. the share that do show up to the i.c.e. office -- >> do you know what that is? >> you can request to i.c.e. it used to be like 13%.
we think now from what i'm hearing is the number is much higher now because they have the opportunity to get a work permit which opens the door to a driver's license and employment and benefits and there is a trail that can be followed to figure out -- >> with a certain percentage of them. >> it used to be 13% but now there's employment benefits, other refugee or immigrant benefits, parolee benefits, people are siepg up for the benefits. >> we can sort of track -- i've identified using the numbers where the unaccompanied minors have been placed that there's about 15 counties that have received about 30% of those migrants.
>> we do pretty -- we have an idea of where they are. we have an idea of how many. i think that dhs should be pressed to provide more details on it and notify -- >> it's probably not good tracking as what this administration in terms of tracking. >> they're supposed to be wearing ankle bracelets. i've seen them on planes when i travel. we do have a sense of where they are. >> 50% of the addresses given at the border are not correct. >> it's not shocking.
>> let's go to line now. we'll do it in order and open it up for questions again. i think the questions are the best way the listen to this information. we stay on the same topic at the same time. mr. morgan. >> thank you, sir. i'm asked to provide my perspective on border security and the undeniable ill leem immigration crisis we're experiencing on the southern border. i think it's incredibly important. the premise of how we look at and discuss these topics are misleading, uninformed and forces a faulty binary choice among the american people. we're force fed the ends justify the means argument. american people are being intentionally mislead that the policies responsible for the worst crisis at our southern border in modern history are separate and distinct issue from our ability to effectively secure borders from anything or anyone doing us harm. that's a lie.
the reality is when policies open our borders and the blatant effort to encourage and facility illegal immigration, our borders become open and vulnerable to vast and complex set of every changing threats from outside its boarder. these threats are not mutually exclusive from each other. they are interconnected. it's essential we do so with the understanding of how it's synonymous with border security. they are masters at exploitation. expands their ability to facility other critical schemes such as human trafficking, drugs, smuggle of gang members and criminal aliens in the united states. the images, this past couple of
weeks were heavily armed cartel members were seen taunting u.s. law enforcement personnel in broad daylight and sending gunfire into the u.s. in the dead of night ill straights how emboldened they have become. the common sense reality is by insentivizing and facilitating illegal immigration, the biden administration is empowering the cartels across a wide spectrum of threats impacting every a pekts of safety, health and national security. the biden administration dismantled every poll and policy we had in place.
my frustration doesn't stem only from the fact they reopened the loopholes to be exploited by the criminal organization make you are borders more vulnerable and less secure. it's their continuing lying to the american people every step of the way. there's virtually nothing coming from this administration remotely truthful or transparent. i watch as politicians in the mainstream media provide their version of what's happening ong the southern boarder. it's impossible for the american people to separate fact from fiction. they are making up their own reality, reshaping history and intentionally driving false narratives and forcing the american people to accept misleading binary choices. the chief architect of the current open border policies is not only jeopardizing our national security but further dividing us as a nation.
care. it's anticipated this calendar year will surpass more than two million encounters. the highest on record. three times the size of the state of vermont. let that soak in for a minute. calendar year. encounters will be three times higher than the state of vermont. it should terrify every american as a direct result of this administration open border policy, more than 400,000 illegal aliens have escaped apprehension this year.
there's violent, dangerous people among them. followed by inserting their heads deep in the sand to avoid the harsh truth and severity. the reality is there's criminals breaking in our country and it's well beyond numbers statistically. many have been convicted or charged with violent offenses and considered dangerous predators. boarder patrol apprehended 53 convicted illegal aliens for homicide. the threats we face make their way into every town, city and state in this country. i think the panelist today have made that clear.
he welcomes illegal aliens. many who have covid or been plan dated to get the same vaccine. it's hypocrite cal. those who are sincere and with the resolve to address outside our borders must continue to demand accountability. we cannot be swayed by those driven by huberis. a nation that cannot control its borders, is not a nation.
effect i have border security patrol that have been developed oaf decades have been eliminated and long term border security investments are being side lined. they're being ignored by the current administration. i fully understand they will prioritize border security differently. i'm concerned the selective information provided publicly by the biden administration is at best, misleading. the information they are choosing to withhold completely from the public and potentially congress is alarming.
these threats do not stay at the border. in my professional opinion, the highly publicized policy shift in the associated public statements initiated by there administration created the current border crisis of greater concern, the current administration has failed to acknowledge that a crisis exists or to demonstrate any meaningful effort to secure or borders. low level, unsophisticated and uneducated smugglers are illegally crossing the border and increasingly evadesing arrest every day. that means they are getting away. on several -- over several decades the united states border patrol defined a strategy that
was working. key aspects of that strategy included leveraging barriers commonly referred to as a wall. agent mobility, technology and intelligence to enhance the effectiveness of every agent that was out on patrol. that is a good return on your investment in my opinion. the united states border patrol had also been improving effectiveness by i vesting in data analytic systems.
over the past several years the department of homeland security, department of state and the department of justice also worked together to build partnerships and initiated immigration programs and fostered international relations that improved western hemisphere beyond the united states. the u.s. borders were more secure at the end of calendar year 2020 than at any time in my entire career.
these recommendations and these personnel were completely ignored. as a direct result, the u.s. is now experiencing a highly visible, illegal immigration crisis. i need to highlight there's a less visible, more significant national security threat embedded in there. all we know is there were 400,000 that got away. while we're distracted on the
haitians in de rio, how many cocaine crossed the border. there's hundreds of miles of unpatrolled border and long term systemic damage being done that could take years to recover by the current policy. instead of expending the tax dollars as enacted by congress to build the proven boarder wall system that makes every agent more effective, which also included advanced technology and access roads, we're now spending millions of dollars to pause and cancel construction contracts. we're literally paying companies not to build anything. worse yet, the cancellation of
these contracts releases from long term liability or warranty work and shifts the entire liability and that unfunded requirement on the the united states border which will drain resources even more. the biden administration is fully ware of these threats yet they have refused to knowledge them. thank you.
>> the present administration is acting in total disregard of our nation's laws. laws written and enacted by congress and signed by president. not only this administration ignoring the laws, but they are actively violating our laws. i'm working with the attorney general in the state of texas, we're 3-0 against this president. why? because he violating law and we proved in court and more is to come. our great respect to the co-witnesses today. they should be honored. i'm here with nearly 35 years enforcing all aspects of immigration laws. in my latter career i over saw the international program responsible for detention of aliens that were waiting to hear
from the immigration judge. that role oversaw the removal of all aliens. i ended my career as the first director. because of my extensive career, i have gained experience in every aspect of immigration enforcement. my opinion on actions are based on hands on experience. i enforced immigration laws under six separate presidents. each had their own policies on how to deal with it. however, until now, no president or secretary of homeland security came into office and intentionally destroyed the most securd border i've ever seen. every president wanted a secure border but had different opinions and policies of how to get there. for any president or secretary of homeland security, to come
into office and systemically and intentionally make our border less safe and more vulnerable to cross border crimes is unconsciousable. it won't and can't happen. i read the statements to mark morgan and chief scott and agree with them 100%. first you must understand there can be nointerior enforcement.
however, it falls in line with open borders design they have implemented. the secretary sends out a memo which says this, the fact an individual is removable, non-citizen should not be the basis for any enforcement action against them. be in the country illegal he is no longer illegal and i.c.e. agents can't arrest them. the removal of recent border crossers arrested by i.c.e. is close to zero. the fact this fiscal year there's over 600,000 illegal aliens released in the u.s.,
many without court dates shows the operational reality, they are not priorities if they don't have a court date. add to that another 400,000 got aways that i.c.e. is not looking for. one must consider equities. by the time their case ends in three to five years, many will have u.s. citizen children and will be established in the community. once again, they are immune from immigration law enforcement. this isn't a mistake in policy. this is by design. this administration knows exactly what they are doing because when they stay three to five years, they'll have the u.s. citizen child or two. when i was i.c.e. director, why
did you remove that father with two u.s. children? because he's already removed. he went and hid out for five years. now he's immune? the court order doesn't mean anything? i say let's shut down immigration courts. he said it. a final order removal does not mean anything anymore. those orders will not be executed. might as well shut down immigration courts too. one must understand when this administration came into power, it was clear. 91% last year of everybody i.c.e. air forced were convicted criminal pending criminal charges which means they found them in the jail. that's nine out of ten. this administration didn't think that was good enough. almost 85% of thoeds arrested
i was there. 409,000 arrested and removed. today, with more officers, more judges, they will be short of 100,000. they are doing 25% of their work they did in 2012 with more officers and there's limited resources. i've talked to hundreds of deportation officers across this country, they have nothing to do. now we get zero. ef week i wait for this administration to issue some sort of enforcement guidance. some form of consequence to violating our immigration laws but they do nothing. they hope it will serve the political future because they believe by importing future
democratic voters they will remain in power. in addition to ending the successful policies that worked, they have cancelled wall contracts and severely limited ice detention. the number one people come to united states is to get a job. in the middle of the biggest crisis we have seen, what did the secretary do the other day, he said they can no longer especially force work operations. there's no strategy. this is like throwing another enticement out to bring more. the 92,000 children die in
opioid over dose, they keep throwing out more and more. it's disgusting. they rewritten asylum guidance. they didn't like 90% didn't qualify so they rewrote the asylum rules so more people will qualify, which will bring more people. this administration has sold out the safety and security of this country. thank you. >> sheriff nichols. >> appreciate the promotion. sorry. it would be an honor to be a sheriff. senators, thank you for the opportunity today to discuss the situation on the border in the yuma area. it's located on the colorado river just in case people might not be aware.
it's along the southern border of mexico and adjacent to california. leaving 55 border gates unfinished. yuma has experienced three illegal immigration crossings of over normal. each time the situation gets worse. the 2014 event had the lowest numbers of apprehensions. in 2019, the yuma sector apprehended 68,000 individuals. the vast majority from central america. it lasted three to four months. so far this year there's been over 114,000 apprehensions from 80 different countries.
the volume this year is the second largest volume. the largest number being in 2005 that crested at 140,000 apprehensions. first want to ag our local border patrol agents, customs officials, and i.c.e. agents are doing a very good job. knowing some of them personally, i know their commitment to national security is paramount. the yuma area remains safe thanks in no small part to their efforts. these impact our community in many ways. during large migration events, the regular system of providing transfer to removal operations
of i.c.e. breaks down, which was the full intent of the transnational criminal organization. in 2019, 5,200 people were released into a temporary system into yuma. in 2021, we had a couple hundred people released to different cities just within the first two weeks. then our local ngo stepped up, and has been receiving those that are released and helping to transport to regional airports in about a 200-mile radius from yuma. endeavor has a hotel in yuma, dedicated to holding families that will be released to transportation options. the cost is $365 per day, per
person, to hold migrants at the hotel. since every room has a family, at least two people per room, that's $700 a day for food and housing. these systems, including our current local ngo, and the endeavor system, are not sustainable. should they break down, released would begin again in the yuma community. the costs of services are only reimbursed about one-third of the cost by the u.s. government. the other two-thirds are reimbursed by the taxpayers in yuma. our agricultural fields are impacted directly, as migrants walk through the middle of the field. making the fields, according to food safety rules, unusable for
human consumption. not only is that a loss to the farmers, but to the workers who are paid on a per piece basis, as they have less crops to harvest. some impacts on small communities are difficult to quantify. hotels are taken out of community resources. jobs supported from tourists visiting the areas, eating at restaurants, and purchases from stores are lost. a picture is painted that discourages investment and economic engagement in border communities. diversion of resources from nonprofits still take away from the local needs of our communities. lack of planning at a holistic federal level causes fear in local communities. situations like the cancellation of the remain in mexico policy,
without a plan to address the dramatic increases in crosses that were experienced as a result, are drivers of that fear. these situations bring valid concerns about the planning for future events or the eventual end of the pandemic and the rescission of title xlii. these are impacts. this is a federal issue, not a local issue. the brunt of the cost of illegal immigration needs to be carried by all the communities across the nation, not just small local border communities. we need to stop overburdening local cities. thank you. >> mayor, i have to ask quickly, why so much per day? who is setting that fee? is that -- >> i've not done that research. but i understand it was a direct select-type contract with dhs. and that was the rate. and i don't know if it was three
proposals or how that occurred. i understand that procurement, that contract time period is coming to a close later this year. so there will be a new procurement process. but the total for the contract is about $86 million. >> i can answer that question. i brought this to the attention of network news. they got an $86 million sole source contract, then a half a billion-dollar contract from hhs. so $365 a night. i.c.e. beds are $100 a night. we give three squares, medical, dental, everything. but this was awarded to companies like endeavor. >> that's per person. you rent a room for 100 bucks, give them some box lunches, you're making a lot of money, per person, per day.
you got to love government. >> i have a scheduled appointment, that i couldn't change. i'm going to run out and come back. hopefully i'll get to hear from you again. but mayor, you're talking about title xlii. one thing that hasn't come up much today, and it's at the front of mind of every single border patrol agent, at some point, title xlii will go away. and one of the 7 or 8 changes the biden administration made was, we're no longer going to apply title xlii to kids or families. most individuals are turned back, and i don't know people know that it's because of title xlii. that's not going to be there. we look at the numbers, the largest number of apprehensions
in 35 years, it's not going to get better. by the way, usually it gets better in the summer, it's too hot. it's gotten worse in the summer. and mayor, you talked about the agricultural program, people coming in legally to work. the united states of america is the most generous country in the world in terms of legal immigration. and we haven't talked about that today. but the context of all this should be, we are a very generous country. every one of us here are the children or grandchildren or great-grandchildren of immigrants. we're not saying we don't want immigrants. but let's do it in a legal, proper, safe way.
the sexual assaults that are occurring along the border. you talked about what the hospitals are having to put up with. i know some of that is sexual assaults. it's inhumane, what is happening. and there is an issue about other countries that has come up today. and you all talked about how mexico ought to be asked to do more, or we have the sovereign ability. i have a different perspective on this. i think mexico has been pretty darn helpful. when i toured mexico, guatemala, ecuador, and colombia, i talked to all four presidents of those countries. when asked, they all said the same thing. they don't want their people coming illegally to their country. they're losing young people who they would rather stay at home. they believe our system has pull factors. we talk about push factors all
the time. sure, there are push factors, and more than half of the immigrants are not coming from the so-called golden triangle countries. what will solve the problem is, yes, economic development. but these pull factors have to be addressed. and i think that's what you're saying in effect today, we have so many pull factors now, and specifically to my way of thinking, senator johnson knows this, i think the asylum system is totally broken, and is creating a narrative for these traffickers, people exploiting the families not just of central america, but more than half are coming from other countries, get you to the border, you're in. pay me 10,000 bucks. and you know what, they're right. so until we deal with the policy changes, and we've gone over some of these today.
title xlii is one. it's going to change again. we're not going to control this issue. i thank you all for giving us a lot of information today. this is not saying we don't want immigrants in this country. it's saying we want them to come the proper way. and that way they can continue to enrich our country. and i'll be back. thank you. >> sheriff? >> thank you, senator. as the sheriff of bristol county for almost 25 years, i've been elected to represent the public safety interests of almost 600,000 people in southeastern massachusetts. for more than two decades, i've worked with leaders on immigration laws and federal laws. this drive to protect my communities from the harms of illegal immigration has taken me from the massachusetts border to
the oval office. illegal immigration impacts cities and towns and communities in every corner of every state on many levels, from public safety to health care, education, and municipal finances. bristol county is no different in the impact, particularly on public safety, and it's immense. assault and battery on a child, identity theft, aggravated assault and battery, carrying a dangerous weapon, assault and battery on a household member, drug possession, lalarceny, rap. that's a sampling of charges against illegal immigrants in bristol county over the summer. almost one illegal immigrant every week has been arrested and brought to the house of corrections. and it gets worse. a political hatchet job by the biden administration, by the
department of homeland security, and my relationship with the department was terminated in may. [ inaudible ] on average in our detention facility that we built. [ inaudible ] approximately. it fluctuates some. [ inaudible ] some of them were also being brought in from new hampshire or rhode island. but it was -- it provided the detention that was needed, right, a force multiplier and so forth. also, the program which allowed our specially trained officers to hold criminally detained immigrants for i.c.e.
without that key program, two of them that were arrested this summer were bailed out before i.c.e. could apprehend them. they're out on the streets with i.c.e. looking for them. there's no debating that. there's also no debating the simple fact that every crime committed by an illegal alien would never have happened if they were not in the country to begin with. a single mom would still be alive today if she was not killed and she has a 2-year-old angel child left. matthew would still be alive if a drunk illegal alien did not
run him over in his truck and drag him to death in milford, massachusetts. the list goes on and on. i don't even have to mention the people who died of deadly opioid overdoses. in 2020, 232 people suffered fatal overdoses in bristol county. the drugs are pouring in over the border, and more and more are flooding into our neighborhoods. more than 10% of mothers who had babies used opioids. 3% of babies were born addicted. where are the drugs coming from? the border. the dea states that international criminal organizations maintain the
largest drug running influence in the united states. it's time to end the unraveling of our public safety by an administration that has encouraged, aided, and abetted thousands upon thousands of people to violate our federal laws, causing the citizens they promise to protect to be exposed to criminal victimization so they can continue to advance their selfish political, pro-illegal agenda. in closing, i would just refer back to something that senator portman said when he was speaking. he said, i want to thank you for what you're doing. for going out and speaking publicly about the very difficult tragedies that you had to endure. and the difference between senator portman recognizing that
and the acknowledgment of this, with the biden administration, is that the message from the biden administration is, you know what, the loss of your children didn't matter then. and the loss of the children going forward tomorrow and the next day and the next day that we all know are going to happen, whether it's drug overdoses or, god forbid, the find of violent deaths that we've seen will continue. it's time. thank you, senators. >> thank you, sheriff. ms. vaughn? >> thank you. i just want to add some more detail to the -- some of the points that i mentioned earlier in my brief statement on the costs to states and local communities that can be
identified. as florida did, you can see, they are staggering. and it's possible to identify them. and i think every state should be doing this kind of an exercise. in fact, the federal government should be doing that kind of exercise. but there's some things that i can report to you this afternoon. aside from the fiscal costs, i think the biggest cost to communities is the disruption to the labor market. illegal border crossers are coming primarily to work. since january, the border crisis has probably added more than 700,000 new workers to the labor market. and they tend to be concentrated in certain parts of the country. primarily affecting those labor markets. and we can identify, as i said, the 15 counties where about 30% of new migrants have settled.
houston, dallas, d.c., long island, miami, and palm beach, los angeles, nashville, and charlotte. some of the asylum seekers are able to get work permits. but since so many do not file asylum applications, they end up working illegally, competing directly with less educated american and legal immigrant workers, and especially teens, who are already some of the most marginalized workers in our economy, and have suffered the most. study after study has found that the presence of illegal workers and the lack of consequences for the employers who hire them is a double whammy for the marginalized workers. fewer opportunities and lower wages. i estimate 300,000 kids coming this year, either alone or with
their parents. they're concentrated in certain areas. there are plenty of school systems that know this is a problem for them. and that know where some of these migrants are settling. it's a strain on them. the national average of per student spending is over $13,000 in 2021. this will cost state and local taxpayers about $4 billion just for the current school year, just for those who have arrived this year. that's not counting the additional services like language support, counseling, parental education. and the transnational gangs were quick to take advantage of the lenient border policies to grow their ranks here.
medical care is another big ticket item foisted on to the states. the migrants who can access the publicly funded safety net services for emergency and pediatric and maternity care, and, yeah, maternity care, according to one of my sources, about 30% of the female migrants who come in illegally will have a child within the first couple of years that they're here. and that unlocks access to even more entitlement payments. they can also use the community health care centers that provide the full range of medical services to all uninsured, regardless of their status. determining the cost is very complicated, but it likely comes to more than $500 million a year just for the ones who have arrived this year. i'm basing that on disclosures from other states that have identified these expenditures.
there is an expectation, and it's not unspoken among the ngos involved that the responsibility for their long term welfare assistance will be automatically assumed by state and local governments. the range of services varies, but it can be a lot, with housing, food, and even legal assistance sometimes. other people have covered the criminal justice costs. and that is a problem not only because of the criminals coming in but the additional drug trafficking. and more importantly, the dramatically fewer number of deportations that are occurring now. i recently had a foia request answered by i.c.e. on the
deportations, and there have been 70% fewer since january. but i also wanted to mention the problems with crimes that are directly related to the border policies. the insidious human trafficking that is absolutely enabled and facilitated by the biden policies. the placement of minors in households is guaranteed to lead to disasters like the recent case we've heard about in alabama and oregon, where dozens of teens who came as unaccompanied minors were released directly to labor traffickers. which, as we know, would not meet the standards of any state child welfare placement laws. and states should start insisting that these placements be done in accordance with the state law. in the face of these enormous costs, some states are starting to take action on their own.
notably florida governor desantis, texas governor abbott, and south carolina governor mcmaster. but they need the help of congress to see that the laws that you pass are actually enforced. but there are also some things that you can do to assist the states and to help mitigate the costs. thanks. >> ms. krieger? >> thank you. i'm here before you -- i'm here before you today as a bereaved mother, fighting to raise awareness of a paradigm shift which has occurred in the opioid crisis. the first question many may have is, why is this woman committed
to raising awareness of opioid deaths sitting in a border crisis meeting? the border policies dwarfs what is going on, flash back to 2013. in that year, china began mass manufacturing fentanyl. we saw the results of that begin to emerge when heroin -- in 2018, china's decision to cease all fentanyl manufacturing. then they began manufacturing
the precursors for illicit fentanyl. those experts immediately recognized that recreational pill use in the u.s. was a diffuse market which would increase their market share by orders of magnitude. powdered illicit opioids is a market of approximately 3 million users at the very highest end. those who illicitly use opioid pills, or who may take a pill in some manner are approximately 50 million people, with otherwise innocent people who may take a pill just one time ever in their life. therefore, a death curve that was stable for 50 years has gone
completely nonlinear, incluing hundreds of thousands of users deaths, eddie, amanda, devon, mckenzie, my daughter tiffany, and countless others. our coalition includes thousands of people who want you to know their children did not overdose. they were poisoned. when anyone disguises a harmful substance as something else, or puts it into something without their knowledge, it's a poisoning, not an overdose. many of those dying never intended to consume illicit
fentanyl. rehabilitation programs, needle exchanges, or methadone clinics will not help these victims. the federal government spends $35 billion a year on the crisis. arguably, our total national spending on the opiate crisis is likely close to $1 trillion of economic activity. yet not one program in place is reaching this new group of the nonaddicted at risk. the fastest growing part of the death curve that has gone off the rails. we can only do two thing. first, stop the illicit fentanyl from getting to them. that's what we're here about today. the first step is by recognizing this is by far the single worst problem we're facing because of the current border crisis, because it's impacting families directly. second, we can warn them.
this is the main purpose of the fentanyl awareness coalition. this nonaddicted population will be receptive to messaging because they're not suffering from substance abuse disorder. i'm asking you to help stop this illicit fentanyl, so that our kids have a fighting chance. young people should learn from their mistakes. they should not die from them. >> let me ask a quick couple of questions. i've seen the video of a police officer in a trunk with the fumes or the powder, he would have died if we didn't have narcon. what is the purpose, are they manufacturing a fake capsule
that looks like percocet or something else? why are they doing it? >> i think there are a few theories on why they do it. but i think the one that seems to make the most sense is to incite addiction in otherwise healthy people. >> if it's pure fentanyl, it just kills people immediately, right? >> not necessarily. of the pills tested, 43% had a lethal amount. that means almost 60% didn't. they're mixing it in blenders, in vats. >> so it's not 100% fentanyl. >> every batch will have an
amount of lethal pills. they started putting it in cocaine, in ecstasy, traditionally nonlethal substances. they started putting it in pills that look like an adderall or percocet. he didn't get a lethal dose, but he got enough to begin an addiction. >> i appreciate that. ms. coulter? >> i'm dom's mom. i am a legal immigrant, i assimilated and became a
citizen. my son was my best friend, the love of my life, and was a respected member of society. he was a 911 communication officer for the riverside sheriff's department in california. and he was the best friend to everybody he ever met. he not only worked long hours, saving many lives, but he studied to become a motorcycle officer for the riverside pd, and then wanted to become a helicopter pilot for the same agency. he volunteered for the local fire department and emergency response force. he was 30 years young, had huge dreams, and made me so proud. he was the best prankster, and had a laugh and a personality that would light up a room. sadly, in 2012, his life and
dreams ended. and my nightmares began. as he was riding his motorcycle to work, an unlicensed illegal alien from guatemala with two felonies turned his truck in front of my son, hitting him so hard that it killed him instantly. the first responders couldn't even work the horrific scene once they realized it was their friend who laid there dead. and highway patrol had to be called to take over. i was out of town and received that one phone call every parent fears. my precious dominic, dead and gone forever. the last time i got to see and touch my child was in a morgue, and i had to figure out how to continue and live life without
him. the dream of one day spoiling grandkids, flying with him again, and going on more fun adventures together, ended in a split second. all because somebody here illegally, ignoring our laws, and because someone always gave him a break when he was caught numerous times previously. the d.a. and judge both knew the killer of my child. charged him with vehicular manslaughter, and gave him a deal of nine months. he had the privilege to bail out of jail for $10,000 cash while the hearing was going on. the illegal had more rights than my son ever had. and he never fled because he was always protected and told the judge at sentencing, god gives life, god takes life. i was only on my way to work. he was released after 35 days in jail, and taken to an
immigration detention center. he would have been let out the back door because of overcrowding, but my husband and i went back to make sure he wasn't released. 1 1/2 years later, he was finally deported again. sources tell us he's back in the country. if our existing immigration laws would have been upheld and followed, my son still would be alive. i've been speaking out about the horrible consequences of illegal immigration that come with enormous financial costs to this country. our national security is at risk, border patrol and i.c.e. agents overwhelmed. americans and legal immigrants pushed aside, while we have
chaos at the wide-open border. this administration is aiding and abetting, encouraging and rewarding them to come here. while sending our hard-earned money to take care of them and their families while many of our own citizens have to do with less or even without. we owe illegals absolutely nothing and americans everything. how many more dominics have to die before this insanity ends? how much more will it cost this nation before more heroes like you in this government act and tell us enough is enough? thank you. >> thank you both for sharing those stories that gave you such pain. our sincere condolences. i'm reminded of a wisconsin mom who lost her son archie to an
opiate overdose. she's turned her pain, suffering, her tragedy into supporting others. you're doing that as well. and we thank you for that. before we start our questioning, any other members of the press have some questions right now? let me start, and then rick, hop in whenever you want to. what is such a tragedy about what the biden administration did, dismantling those reforms, blowing up the border, is that we were so close. to having a sufficiently secure border, so we could take the next step. i think we were both in discussions with the administration, i know they were looking at a new visa program taking 100 visas down to about 6. on a merit-based system to advantage our economy.
addressing the daca issue. but first, we had to secure the border. can you talk about what those plans were, and what we've lost? >> i can take the first tranche of this. i think how you characterize this is true. former director homan, what he said was true. all this administration had to do was go to the beach. that's it. and he's right. every single day, i truly believe, we were securing the border more effectively with each day that went by. let's take the wall, for example. again, as part of that multilayer strategy of infrastructure, technology,
personnel, plus intelligence. let's take intelligence, for example. we were improving our intelligence ability every sing day. we were gaining, you know, unprecedented cooperation with the governor of mexico and the triangle countries and beyond. not just with people on the ground. and it took some strong-arming from the trump administration to get mexico onboard to do what they've done. they have never, ever put as much resources and effort into stemming the flow of illegal immigration as they did in the trump administration. that's just a fact. so when we're talking about what we did. every single day, we were improving by building more miles of the wall. every single day, we were improing by putting more technology, like the autonomous towers, which was state of the art, using machine learning. providing access roads to border
patrol agents. if you ask the agents, would you rather have steel and concrete in the road or access roads, they would have said access roads. but you didn't have to give them that choice, because we were giving it all to them. and the policies, we talked about the remain in mexico program, but i want to spend a minute on it. number one, it was a game-changer. it closed one of the significant loopholes we had because of horrible lower court judicial activism, you have to be released in 20 days. we closed that loophole by sending them back to mexico as they wait, due process, here in
this country. that program resulted in a 75% to 80% reduction in our country. no longer was coming to the border with a family illegally automatically your passport into the united states. it worked across the board. and i know it's a blatant lie being told by this administration. and i've heard it so many times, that the remain in mexico program was inhumane, because we were sending people back that were being abused by the cartels. and i'm telling you, it's a lie. that's just a lie. we sent countless teams down there. and anywhere where the illegal aliens that were enrolled in the remain in mexico program, put in government-run or ngo-run shelters with the government's overview in mexico, we went down there. and i know chief scott can support this. they had enough food, they had
medical attention, and the safety was absolutely present. it was only when they went outside of the shelters and re-engaged the cartels was when the problems started. and it's about the hypocrisy. under the remain in mexico program, it's inhumane to send illegal aliens back to mexico. but under title xlii, it's okay, to send that same illegal alien back to mexico. it's hypocrisy. it makes no sense. look, either it's horrible and inhumane to send an illegal alien back to mexico or not. it shouldn't matter what title you're using, whether title viii or title xlii. it shows the lies and hypocrisy
with respect to the administration. the other thing that was significant as well was the acas. historic, all three northern triangle countries. and it ended the other loophole, forum shopping. if someone is the victim of persecution, not economics, not looking for a better life. i understand that, but that's not a valid asylum claim. state-sponsored persecution for involvement in a protected class. if that's really our position, shouldn't be ensure they get relief as soon as possible? that's what the acas did. if you're traveling through
colombia to panama, and on your way up, you make it to guatemala, shouldn't guatemala be saying, okay. you're three, four countries removed now. we can help you right now. you're free from the state sponsored persecution. we knew that the majority of that was either a lie, or they're forum shopping. meanwhile, they're continuing to be exploited by the cartels coming through. the acas were another important element. the other issue was title xlii. again, the administration, we've said this before, it's interesting to hear this administration use the words we used to do when it's convenient. it's a public health policy, not an immigration policy. let's think about the hypocrisy, title xlii, the cdc said, their words, to further reduce the
spread of covid-19 from outside our borders, those illegally entering should be removed immediately. immediately on day one, the biden administration, against all science, look, i'm not a medical expert, but the science is very clear. if you're a minor, 15, 16, 17 years old, you can carry covid just as an adult can. so where is the science there? on day one, they said, if you're a minor, we're not going to apply title xlii to you. full-on covid, 15, 16, 17, come on in. and the families, right now they're defying their own cdc order, releasing families. right now, there's a family illegally entering our borders
with covid, and they're still being released into the interior of the united states. it makes no sense. we can talk about the vaccine issue as well. and that is just a handful. acas, mpp, title xlii. at the end of the day, this is what this is about. it's about consequences. if you do not apply consequences, if you are -- if all consequences are removed, and you're rewarded, you don't have to be rocket scientist to figure out, i would come too. but that's where we're at now. there are no consequences. you illegally enter or border, you'll be released into the interior of the united states. they've removed every single of i.c.e.'s authority to remove you. now you get to work here illegally, and no consequences. i know it's a long answer. >> i would add this. i was involved with the white house on the immigration claim that president trump and his staff came up with. i thought it was a great plan.
i was called to look at it, give my input on it. families were included, husbands wives, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, were in it. it was a great plan, and of course it went nowhere. and the trump administration talked to the experts. president trump, he talked to the border patrol experts, what do you need? and the wall came up. so it wasn't trump's wall. it was america's wall. and the border patrol agents needed it. when jen psaki said we stopped building the wall because it doesn't work, that was a lie. drugs went down, and it had great success just in san diego. but president trump talked to the experts. title xlii, i was talking about it with him one day. i told him, call mike morgan,
talk to him about it, and title xlii came about. this administration isn't talking to anybody. they're too busy throwing border patrol under the bus. i can count -- secretary mayorkas has not asked anybody about the walk. they're listening to the progressive left. that's who they're listening to. the policies are being written by activists, open borders people. he's not talking to the men and women who spent decades fighting this, enforcing immigration law. and you can see by talking to the experts who was more successful on shutting down and securing the borders to the highest degree. it was president trump. >> can i follow up on that for a second? one thing that has come up today, only indirectly, is
technology. sensors, cameras. and when i was down, i think i told you this, at the el paso sector, i asked them how much of the technology had been stopped. you can go down there, there are literally gaps in the wall. we have this fence we've all paid for, and you have a gap as wide as this table. so border patrol has to be a 24/7 presence there, otherwise people go through there. they said only 10% of the technology was completed. that can't be true. democrats always talk about technology. i think technology is important, too. they said only 10% of the technology. and we won't talk about the details, because you're not supposed to do that. it's very effective. is that true? >> i believe that's probably an
overstatement. 10% maybe for el paso. but that's why -- >> let's be clear, the day they came in, they said stop the contracts, we're stopping the wall. you see the steel on the ground, and all that. but apparently by doing that, they also stopped the contracts on the technology. and so literally it's technology we've paid for that is not along the wall that would be much more effective. and i don't think there's a partisan issue here. i think everybody supports the technology. >> i think everybody should support the technology, and the thought-out border wall system that was developed over about three decades that includes the barrier and the technology. but your point is clear. we don't talk about it. that was a border wall system, the border wall system includes a barrier, it includes roads, which means access. you can move along the border in many areas that we couldn't
before. and technology, that was an important part of it. the fiber optic cabling that was scheduled to go in, which now dod and dhs is looking at giving away, it's just being excessed for no reason. that was also scheduled to be the spinal cord for the united states border patrol's communication and video pushing. it was allowing us to fill dead spots out in the field. radio or technology dead spots. there's no 5g in the middle of the desert in arizona. this would have significantly enhanced border patrol agents' individual safety. and it would prevent us from ever having a blue on blue again. it would allow agents to work smarter. if they had multiple entries at the same time, they would see it
on a mobile device, and be able to pick and choose where they responded to first, based on where they thought they could do the most good, either based on threat or time and distance. the barrier changes the time and distance model. give me a break. we surrounded the capital with several layers of fence, but we don't believe in barriers? every playground in the united states is surrounded by a fence, but we don't believe in barriers? barriers work. it lets the individual agent that you, the taxpayer, are paying for, to patrol significantly more border, significantly more effectively with that barrier to slow stuff down than before. you hear all kinds of arguments that the narcotics threat is at the border entry.
that's not true. this is why we, the u.s. border patrol, advocate for border barriers. we were getting three to five vehicles driving across in front of our agents, broad daylight, with cocaine and marijuana, or 30 or 40 illegal aliens at a time. and they refuse to stop. then you have high speed pursuits all over san diego. all these innocents, now they're at risk. all that went away. you have people arguing about, oh, we don't need a border wall. they're just going to dig under it. that takes about a year. and we have an awesome investigation team that focus on them, and let them keep digging, because it keeps them busy, and that keeps everybody in san diego, el faso, or mcallen safe. all the technology, the hundreds
of cameras that were going in, that all got shut off. and i was told the other day, there's over 100 miles of fiber optic cable in the ground that we could turn on. that would be a sensor in the communications backbone, but that's being shut off. that's just wasted. >> so the audacity of the administration. they talk about technology, which i'm 100%, the walls are part of that, it works, facts and data shows that. the administration says it's ineffective, they're just lying. they're ignoring factual, statistical data. every single measure of success shoots up through the roof positively. let's go to the current budget.
they stopped building the wall. what they're not telling the american people, it's costing taxpayers $3 million to $5 million a day to not build that. where is the significant increase in the budget they wanted for technology? zero. there's no significant increase for technology, as they stopped $1.3 billion for the wall. so where is all this talk about, oh, technology, technology? where is their support? it's all talk. zero there with respect to that. and the audacity of them, they've actually taken credit for the asts. i heard the press secretary in the white house brag about the insulation of the new autonomous towers. that came from the trump administration, his guidance, policy, and strategic plan.
and they're taking credit for it. it's absurd. >> yes, sir. this year, if you go anywhere around the country, about 1 out of every 250,000 people in the united states came illegally this year. yeah. >> i just wanted to add something that i didn't say, that i should have. all of this is going on, what mark and tom have been describing at the border, in the heat of the largest historically unprecedented crisis with drugs. you know, we just got the latest cdc report, and between 96,000 and 99,000 in 2020, and those are provisional numbers. we don't have the final numbers yet. those are deaths. and to make it worse, in 2019, the cdc estimated that 73% of
all opiate related deaths involve illicit fentanyl. that will only be going up. and i guarantee you the percentage ratio for 2020 will be higher than 73%. so the majority, almost three-quarters of these deaths, are related to the same substance that is coming over the southwest border. and our administration is not only not recognizing this new crisis, they're not doing anything to stop it. >> yeah. mrs. krieger, have you ever talked to secretary mayorkas? >> i have not. >> i've met him three times since my son's death. and each time, he comes across as cold. not caring. while i was -- he wasn't even talking. i brought my son's ashes. >> could you turn your mic on,
please? >> sorry. better? >> yes, yeah. >> he would just look at me while i'm telling him about the greatest loss of my life. something that changed me forever. and he looks past me, he looks at -- to see if somebody else comes up, more important. i brought my son's ashes with me. not the little urn, but i have a big one at home. pulled it out, and he wasn't even shocked. i think he's void of any sympathy, empathy. and if the death of -- the drug deaths don't matter, the deaths of my son and thousands of others by illegals who are just here and doing their thing, they don't care about our laws. where are these people that care about the children?
jessica mentioned it. there are minors coming into this country that are distributed and handed over to anybody. it's a smorgasbord to pedophiles. nobody checks on them, nobody does any background checks. where are all these people who care so much about children? and if we don't stop this, these new victims, and i don't care whether they're illegally here or not. but any child or woman that has to go through these horrific things that they endure, coming here and being here illegally, we're creating new criminals. because we know hurt people hurt people. >> what would you two say if mayorkas was sitting here right now? what would you say to him? >> i would ask him to do what
donald trump did that actually worked. talk to the people who work at the front lines, who know what they're doing. and stop protecting these illegals. because i'm just a mom. but somebody is getting paid a lot of money, because you don't do this, you don't destroy lives, you don't destroy a country unless you're getting something out of it. because i don't destroy my home. i protect my home. and i thought i could protect my child. so senator -- senator mayorkas, mayorkas, that's all he gets from me. step down. give that job to somebody who will actually care about citizens in this country, not illegals. >> what i would say is that his failure to acknowledge the losses of all of these families who have become victims of these substances that are pouring over the southwest border, enabled by
failed u.s. policy is probably one of the greatest tragedies ever committed by people in leadership roles within our country. within 60 days of the covid outbreak everyone in this country knew three things, wash your hands, social distance and wear a mask. we are eight years into the fentanyl crisis and they haven't even taken an initiative to launch a campaign to tell our kids if a pill didn't come from a pharmacy it's not safe. that's one of the greatest failures i think we've ever had, and it's going to continue to get worse. so i would ask him how many of our children bodies will it take? >> has mayorkas ever called you?
>> basically told him we need to set it back up after 25 years of never failing an audit or in the detention operation. and of course crickets. it was clearly an orchestrated political hit. i've been outspoken on this issue on the impacts on our communities and across the country with other sheriffs. and we thought this would be a good way to send a message, and unfortunately they sent a message that the people of my county do not deserve to be safe. and that's exactly what happened, and i've never heard from them. >> the shortquer is no, i've not heard from the secretary or directly his office. >> i'd like to answer that real quick because i talked to deputy secretary mayorkas many times. let's be clear deputy secretary
mayorkas knew what causes to search, he knew how to stop them. how do we stop them? as i said earlier we built detention facilities, we detained people, we made them see a judge, 90% lost, numbers went down. this secretary mayorkas is doing the completely opposite of what he knows works. he's not detaining tem. he's releasing them. and i just read his memo isis is hardly removing anybody. so he's doing the complete opposite of what we knows works. >> something real quick is going to make me unpopular in this room or this panel but i don't think it's one individual. i think it's the administration, and, you know, ultimately the white house calls the shots. because i tend to agree with you having worked with him when he
was deputy i think he does understand it. and i think he is a person that does have feelings and compassion, but when we have pushed and we have pushed including just to have a hearing. but on policy issues including about the broken asylum system, he seems to get it. but there's a push, you know, at the higher levels, and you guys know what that's like because you've experienced it, too, with different administrations having worked for a lot of different presidents. so, you know, i disagree with him obviously on a lot of these policy issues but i do think it's deeper than that. >> you take the job, you follow the law. he came onto our committee and completely lied to us saying the border was secure. he didn't give us information he had at his fingertips.
>> senator i would also say in relation to your comment that it's been a couple of months now i think secretary mayorkas was at the border in a private meeting with border sheriffs and at that time told them we're going to be looking to redirect the isis mission i asked them why and they said because we're moving in another direction and we don't think we need as many beds while thousands and thousands continue to pour in. >> he's not making these decisions but he doesn't have to do this job. >> right. that's the issue. >> if secretary mayorkas had any integrity at all, he's the secretary of homeland security. he's supposed to protect this
country. regardless of what the white house tells him, if you're a man of integrity do what rodney scott did next to me. either he needs to resign because he's failed miserably in not protecting our country or he pushes back on the white house. that's my opinion. >> you're looking at three people right here at the highest levels of federal government and i absolutely supported president trump in what he was doing to secure our borders and stem the flow of immigration 100%. and he did more than any other president in our history to secure our borders, but i'm telling you right now i would have never lied for him, ever. i wouldn't have lied to anybody in the zrgz, and i know those two gentlemen sitting next to me would have never lied. this secretary is bald faced lying to the american people. almost everything that comes out of his mouth -- i'll give you
another example in del rio how many was being asked. more spin. we're putting everyone in title 42 or removal proceedings. he darn well knew that removal proceedings meant released into the interior united states and never heard from again. admission of a material fact is essentially a lie. >> may i add something since we're talking about people in this administration that don't really do anything about this crisis? a couple years back i walked through the halls and i saw kamala harris' office and they had a sign outside in spanish welcoming dreamers. i had my son's picture he was a dreamer, i'm a dreamer. and i walked in. they looked at my son, oh, what a handsome guy, who is he? and i said oh, he's a dead dreamer now. he was killed by an illegal
alien. within two minutes some guys came from the back and said if i don't leave they'll call capitol police. someone supposed to be a border czar threw out an angel mom out of her office. they nearly pushed me just walking towards me. and kamala harris, i can't even give her the title, she was supposed to bring change. well, most of us knew that was just a title. she has no time to talk to any of us. she has no time to actually talk to the people in charge at the borders. and unless people are held accountable for what they do because we all get held accountable for anything we do. if i don't wear my mask out there i'm held accountable, but
yet we let all these illegals in. and the buck stops with them, with biden, harris, mayorkas. and if they can't do their job, they should just quit and move to guatemala because they care so much for those people. >> i think that's a pretty good place to end. we are out of time. end kind of where i started. the reason we're holding this hearing or this round table is because chairman peters wouldn't hold a hearing. there are multiple hearings we should have held here, but there isn't even close to enough time to describe the devastation of these disastrous policies. i mean it's not just the secretary. the root cause starts with the president of the united states and flows down through vice president harris who's on this
committee, who heard testimony of children being sold. >> yeah. >> of the sex trafficking, of the people dying in the desert, of the rapes. the vice president was on this committee. she heard the testimony. they know full well what their policies are doing to people. so, again, i'm asking secretary -- chairman peters to hold a series of hearings. we didn't even begin to do justice to describe all the dimensions of this problem. the american people need to see this. so sabine and virginia, again, our condolences. thank you. how many moms are there, how
many dads, how many sisters, how many wives? >> in our facebook discussion groups alone we've amassed over a period of one year, over 15,000 bereaved family members and it's growing. and something you just said hit me hard in my heart that kamala harris heard all that testimony and did nothing. and that really is upsetting. >> how many little girls are trapped in the sex trade? i mean little girls. i was down in guatemala. the shelter was for sex trafficked little girls. so this is human trafficking being facilitated, this multibillion dollar business model is being facilitated by policies implemented by this administration. we need to hold hearings. this administration needs to be held accountable.
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