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tv   Doctors Discuss Combating Vaccine Hesitancy  CSPAN  July 16, 2021 6:46pm-7:07pm EDT

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i will ask the witnesses to bear with us as we observe a five-minute recess. we will recess for five minutes to give members time to get back from this vote. i thank the witnesses for their indulges. i understand that ms. maloney
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has returned. let me now recognize chairlady carolyn maloney for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman, thank you for your leadership. i'm very concerned about the lagging vaccinations and the rates of the vaccinations in younger americans. according to the cdc, just half of americans between the ages of 18 and 39 have received one or more doses of the vaccine compared to more than 85% of americans age 65 and older. ms. bush, i really admire that you have been so outspoken on this issue. what message do you have for young americans who have yet to get vaccinated? >> thank you very much, representative. i think it's incredibly important for us to acknowledge the facts and then also acknowledge how we feel about them. we are seeing that overall covid cases are dropping but only among the vaccinated. and the rates of folks,
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hospitalization, and death among the unvaccinated remain unchanged since january of this year. and we know that more and more young people have contracted covid. and we know that it is not just adults. covid-19 is among the top ten pediatric killers currently. so this does matter for all of us. this does matter for young people. and i understand that there is an air of invincibility at times, especially because in the initial stages of the outbreak of the pandemic, wealth this was something that mostly affected older americans. that's simply not true, and especially for young people who have so much of their lives ahead of them, who have dreams that they're building on and academic careers to pursue, so much of that is magic, frankly, because it happens in person, because of who we meet, who we fall in love with, where we wind up working. and i don't want young people to lose those opportunities. and representative waters asked
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how entertainers and rappers and activists and athletes can play a part. what i would encourage any young person watching to think about today is how many of us you know through a screen or through a sport who you've seen get vaccinated. and our bodies are literally our jobs. when i watched megan rapinoe not only get vaccinated in seattle but volunteer at a vaccine site, i knew how meaningful that would be for young people, to see icons, professional athletes whose bodies are their business, whose bodies have to run like gladiators, go out and get a vaccine to protect themselves and also their families. and so my hope is that if you're a little less interested in politics than most of us in this room, that perhaps the people who you look up to be athletes, entertainers, et cetera, who you know don't really have anything to do generally with what's
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happening in these rooms, believe in medical science, believe in the innovation, understand that as we look at a global number of -- it's 3 billion? of over 3 billion vaccines that have been administered, we're doing great. this will save lives and in particular it will allow young people to get back to the futures that they're pursuing. >> congressman mahoney, if i may jump in really quickly, this is dr. adams, one of the points i made in my written testimony was that the department of education should support school-based vaccination clinics. that will especially help with our sports teams. and you look at john paul, what missed ayou playoff game, john rand lost millions of dollars because he had to drop out of a golf tournament, the nc state team, there are numerous examples of people whose lives are harmed by the social consequences of not getting vaccinated as opposed to the health consequences.
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young people in many cases aren't going to be scared into getting the vaccine by the health harms but we need to get them to understand, if they're in school they won't have to quarantine if they're exposed to someone. they won't have to wear masks in most cases if they've been vaccinated. important to show the benefits that actually matter to that group of people. >> reclaiming my time, as i only have a very limited amount of time, and i wanted to ask a question about my home state of new york. in my home state of new york, we've offered 50 full scholarships to any new york state public college or university to people under the age of 18 who get vaccinated. we also offered lottery scratchoff tickets with a grand prize of $5 million to those 18 and other and free baseball tickets and other incentives. dr. milkman, what strategies should we be using to increase
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vaccination rates among younger americans and anyone else? dr. milkman. >> thank you for the question, congresswoman. i think it's wonderful what new york is doing. i think actually it's fantastic to see these kinds of incentives that in particular appeal to young people. i think in addition to thechola think about are their ways we can target young people. congressman walters mentioned celebrities. there are other things besides scholarships that might be even more exciting to young americans. i think there's an opportunity to try to get artists engaged, you know, free concert tickets or an opportunity to meet your favorite musician for lunch. those are the kind of things that we could consider also putting on offer in lotteries as prizes that might particularly appeal to young people, and having the kinds of events that were mentioned in seattle where sports icons come out and you can go meet them and get your
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vaccine. i think the more we can engage with artists and entertainers and get them involved, the better we'll do. >> thank you, my time has expired. thank you. >> thank you, ms. maloney. i don't know that congressman krishnamoorthi has returned, i understand he may be on the way. but i don't want to hold our witnesses longer than we need to. so if the ranking member is not here for his closing statement, i'm going to proceed to my closing statement. and i will interrupt myself if mr. krishnamoorthi were to return. so before we close, i would like to enter into the record 21
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letters the elect subcommittee has received in recent days from organizations that represent health care providers and advocates. i won't read off the names of all 21 organizations. but each of these groups has written to emphasize the critical importance of overcoming vaccine hesitancy it so that we can increase vaccinations across the country and contain this deadly virus. i'm going to ask unanimous consent that these letters be entered into the official hearing record, unless there are objections, i'm going to order that they be in. without objection, so ordered. in closing, i want to thank mr.
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garza, dr. benjamin, dr. milkman, dr. adams, and ms. bush for testifying before the select subcommittee today. we appreciate your personal stories, your expertise, and your leadership. i would also like to thank the ranking member for his participation in this effort. we need to inform all americans of the truth. coronavirus vaccines are safe and effective. to overcome hesitancy around the country, we must meet the skeptical where they are. we must enlist community organizations and trusted community messengers to inform the groups they represent. we must also continue working to break down barriers in vulnerable communities, including technology,
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transportation, and language disparities, to reach those who want the vaccine but are unable to get it. we must also recognize there are many unvaccinated americans on the fence, not opposed to getting vaccinated, but are not eager enough. we can learn from those states who have come up with smart ways such as lotteries, free giveaways, sweepstakes, and other incentives to increase uptake among those who need extra encouragement. the american public is still at risk. the more that the coronavirus continues to circulate, both in the united states and globally, the greater the risk that deadlier, more contagious, and
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vaccine resistant variants could emerge. to lower this risk, and to end the pandemic once and for all, it is crucial to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. we need to continue developing and implementing innovative solutions to encourage everyone to receive their vaccinations. i look forward to working with all of you on today's panel with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle and with the biden administration to do so. but before i close this hearing, i wish to recognize representative krishnamoorthi for five minutes.
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>> thank you, chair clyburn. can you hear me? >> yes. >> i wanted to just ask the panel a couple of questions, and i'm sorry i'm running back and forth with votes and press conferences and so forth. the question is this, which is, can any of the panelists speak to -- and i apologize if you've covered this before, but can any of the panelists speak to what has been effective in encouraging people who are hesitant about taking the vaccine to do so now? and the more specific that you can be in terms of any examples of what has worked, i would be most grateful. >> i'll be happy to take this one for a moment and then turn it over to others. some of the key things that we've seen that do work are
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lotteries. lotteries are working. there is a 28% increase in vaccination among those 16 and up in ohio after the announcement of ohio maximilian and an additional 50 to 80,000 doses delivered in the two weeks after that lottery was announced. we know people respond to large incentives, payments on order of magnitude of $100. there is some risk that small incentives can backfire by signaling we have to pay, it must be risky to take this vaccine, which is inaccurate but an inference people make. so large incentives work. people are also very motivated by reductions and restrictions like not having to wear masks anymore. that means a lot to a lot of people. another thing that works very well are mandates. even though they're unpopular for good reason, however we know that when there's a mandate, it's highly effective. and 500 colleges and universities are mandating that people be vaccinated when they come back to campus in the fall.
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that's going to make a huge difference. and larger numbers would help, especially given that we know there are low vaccination rates among the young. so that's another strategy we can think about encouraging. and employers can also impose mandates. and i think we should be looking at whether or not there are ways to encourage more employers to do that given the human impact it has on your community. >> are there any particular messages. than others in getting them to get vaccinated recs obviously aside from saying that you have to in getting them to get vaccinated? obviously aside from saying that you have to do it from a mandatory vaccination standpoint? >> it's important to hear from people who they trust, and who they respect and admire. there was a discussion about musicians, athletes, the kinds of people we look up to, young people respond more to that than to a politician.
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everyone responsible to hearing from a trusted medical source. if young people have a doctor that you're standing conversations, with having those in-depth conversations could be really powerful as well as just seeing road role models. social norms spread. i see my friends doing something, and that makes me much more attracted to doing it. the more we can also convey to young people how many other young people are making the choice to get vaccinated that's going to help as well because it will propel more and more. there is a snowball effect when we see someone else who looks like us doing the thing that we are contemplating doing. >> when something is as simple as having people who have been vaccinated get online and basically share they were vaccinated, would that make a difference? >> it should. we know it makes a difference in other contacts of when young people see on facebook or number of their friends have voted, for instance.
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increases their likelihood of voting. the closer the social connection, the bigger the impact. the more visible we can make it when young people vote and the more we can ask them to tell their friends, communicate to the friends, send a message to their friends, the better. >> has there been something that has not been done that should be done? i'd imagine there's a lot of social media campaigns that involved but i just referred to, but perhaps i'm wrong about that. can you think of other things that need to be done on social media that haven't been done that would be effective? >> one thing i advocate for, and this applies to all populations, but young people in particular, i've been advocating for radical convenience. whatever we can do to make it feel like the lightest possible lift to get this vaccine, like you wake, up you roll out of bed, and it's done. college campuses bringing it to
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your dorm room, right? your friend shows up and escorts you to the vaccine center and you have an appointment. everything is set up for you. i think that would help a lot with this population. i don't think we've done enough of that. >> thank you so much. i yield back. >> thank you very much for your questions, and thanks once again to the panelists who are here today without objection. all members will have five days in which to submit additional written questions for witnesses to the chair, which will be forwarded to the witnesses for their response. this hearing is now adjourned.
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