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nonprofit organization dedicated to locating and preserving underwater historical sites, in particular african slave trade to shipwrecks. african-american divers and archaeologists discuss the importance of preserving these sites and minority involvement in the archaeological sciences. the harvard museums of science and culture hosted this program and provided video. >> my name is jane pickering and i am the director of the museum of archaeology and ethnology and i'm delighted to invite you to our discussion. tonight we are going to learn about the important work that the international organization diving with a purpose is conduct thing to research and preserve submerged heritage sites and we are honored to have two of the founders of diving with a purpose.
they are going to trace the organization's 15 year history of a which has included expeditions in africa, brazil, and florida, and recovering relics from slave ships as well as aircraft flown by african-american pilots in world war ii. to give you a sense of the structure of the evening, we are going to begin with an overview of diving with the purpose by who i'm about to introduce. then we will engage in a q&a system with him and dr. jones. afterwards we will have a panel discussion with them, as well as special guests. so it is now my privilege to introduce jay.
he is a master scuba diver trainer with the professional association of diver instructo safety instructor and a board member and lead instructor at diving with a purpose. he was formerly a national oceana graphic and administration scientific diver. and in this capacity trained scientists, engineers, and technicians to perform a variety of underwater tasks in support of noaa missions. a graduate of the catholic university of america with a ba in electrical engineering, he mentors and trains new divers and encourages their exploration of such meaningful diving pursuits as diving with a purpose. please join me in welcoming him.
>> thank you, jane and peter. dr. jones and i would like to thank the harvard museum, peter, and jenny for a long list of providing the opportunity for us this evening. it is a true honor. diving with a purpose, restoring our oceans preserving our heritage. dwp it is dedicated to the protection of submerged heritage resources. we do this by providing education, training, certification and field experience in the fields of maritime archaeology and ocean conservation. this is available to both youth and adults. we have a special focus on the protection, documentation, and
interpretation of african slave trade shipwrecks and the maritime history and culture of african-americans who formed a core labor and expertise for america's and the global maritime enterprises. we are very happy about our accomplishments. since 2005, dwp has trained over 500 maritime archaeology advocates, including 150 youth. we have been featured in documentary series by the public broadcasting system, and we are a recent recipient of the 2015 chairman's award for achievement in historic preservation. to give a historical context of our organization we must start in 1943 and the birth of the invention of the demand regulator in scuba tanks by jacques cousteau, inventor.
the underwater adventure seekers were formed by dr. albert joses jones. you'll hear more about dr. jones later in this presentation. the national association of black scuba divers was formed by dr. jones and mr. rick powell. in 1993 that was a very important year, because the henrietta marie is discovered. one of the few ships involved in the transatlantic slave trade that was found at the time. in 2005 diving with a purpose that its first field school. in 2010, an expedition for the slave ship guerrero. in a response to climate change our work in ocean conservation revolves around coral reef restoration. it is a holistic approach to
climate change. we call it the collective approach to restoring our ecosystems, or cares. this is very important as a response to climate change and the devastating effect it has had on our coral reef system and our ecosystem. dwp teaches underwater archaeology basics, which includes shipwreck surveying, mapping, ensue to drawing --in-situ drawing. we train on land and then we go under the water to do shipwreck documentation. this is the result of our work. we process the data, and then it
is developed into a digital composite site map. this is a composite site map of the shipwreck located in the florida keys. our composite site map was made by an excellent, excellent architect and does fabulous work in bringing all of our data together to put it on a composite site map. it is very important that we not only just do reports and create site maps, but to do community outreach and engage the community in the work, and get the community to become engaged. the first thing that happens is you have to go and make presentations. publications, we publish the
work that we do as well as the work that we do in conjunction with our colleagues. many publications since 2015. we remain active in the media in order to bring awareness to both maritime archaeology and ocean conservation. we are involved in museum exhibits. we have an exhibit in the national museum of african-american history and culture which features another ship. museums throughout the nation we are also involved in relative to having exhibits. this is a museum exhibit in the history of diving museum in south florida. we are also involved in documentary series. one series was produced by the national geographic, and it was
the subject of our divers 'search for shipwrecks. stories are very important in bringing back memory. this was a special mission we were in. the tuskegee airmen, the p-39 mission entitled red tails 21226 . the location of this wreck, it was a world war ii aircraft, is in port huron, michigan. everyone is familiar with our heroes, the tuskegee airmen of world war ii. what most people are not aware of is with the tuskegee airmen, they completed their basic training in alabama and did
advanced training in the great state of michigan. when there are training, there are training accidents. during their stay in michigan there were approximately 14 training accidents in which airplanes crashed will stop of those 14 five crashed into the great lakes, which brings us to the story of second lieutenant -- on april 11 19 44 his aircraft crashed in lake huron. he was in a training exercise. his aircraft was discovered april 11, 2014, 70 years to the day of his crash. this was very important. it could not have occurred without the principal investigator, the state of
michigan maritime archaeologist. these pictures were provided by him. this is a picture of the radio call box. it is completely submerged in approximately 30-feet of water. the yellow arrow is pointing to the radio call number. we will talk about the importance of the radio call number briefly. this is an enlarged picture of the radio call number, 221226. the importance of the number is that it is like a signature. in the army air corps when a pilot is assigned a plane he is given a unique radio call number, and that radio call number belongs to that particular pilot. when the radio call box was
found, this was in pristine condition, as if second lieutenant frank h moody's signature was on that call box. this is more artifacts from that shipwreck. this is a composite map of the wing section. you notice on the left-hand side the army air corps insignia. this is the actual picture of the insignia. the one thing that is absolutely amazing and fantastic is the preservation of this plane. you notice on the far left side the red dot. that is the running late for -- running light for the
aircraft. we as a team, and dwp were so moved by this mission that we decided it was important to commemorate the tuskegee airmen of michigan. we have undertaken an effort to erect a memorial in port huron, michigan to honor the brave souls of the tuskegee airmen of michigan, in particular the 14 brave souls who perished in training accidents. the unveiling ceremony will be next year, august 28, 2021. come join us. if you would like to find more information come and go to our website and find out more information. if you would like you can make a donation to support the memorial. this is the design of the memorial that will be erected. now, kids, youth are our
>> welcome to the national park and of the youth diving with a purpose program. the first annual diving with a purpose program. we are sitting on the bottom of the ocean at the sight of the outline wreck, a 19th century wooden sailing vessel 150 foot long. what you see going on around you are a bunch of high school students from all over the country who have come to the park to get an experience doing underwater archaeology and helping the national park service by producing a site plan of the shipwreck that is just below the sand. this is the 10th year that diving with the purpose has operated in the national park and the first year that it is an entirely youth-driven project. the students are from all over the country and have all come to south florida to learn how to map shipwrecks and to be future
stewards for archaeological resources on land and in water. one of the things that the diving with the purpose program teaches is the mapping of shipwrecks underwater. with this young man is doing is examining a fragment of the ship. people take detailed measurements and translate all of that onto the plastic mylar paper we can write on underwater. in the classroom tomorrow we will take all of the individual drawing students have produced and place them on an overall site map and each tiny drawing will allow you to see the whole wreck at once. one thing that is great about the youth diving with a purpose program is not only does the national park service get this great document that we can use in the operations of the park,
but these kids get an awesome experience. they get to see a little bit of what it's like to be in underwater archaeologist and what it is like to work underwater. not just to be a tourist, visit the site and look at it, but get into the science and detailed documentation of how an archaeologist works underwater. one thing we hope is not necessarily that all of these young people are going to become archaeologists when they grow up, but all of them come away with a new respect and understanding for our archaeological sites on land and in the water. the shipwrecks in the national park are under constant threat. there are a lot of people in the public who don't necessarily understand the value of the resource in place. one of the goals of the national park service is to keep these sites intact for future generations. these young people come away as
stewards they will go back to their community and explain to the world why it is important for these sites to stay where they are at and hopefully bring better protection to them. ♪ jay: as you can see, our young people have bright futures, and they are preserving our oceans and restoring our heritage. that is our future. it is very important to look at the foundation and how things started. one of the fathers of modern
scuba diving is dr. jones. pete will introduce him, and you will get a chance to meet dr. jones personally. pete? pete: thank you, jay it is nice to see you again. my name is peter girguis, i am on the faculty at harvard university. i am a marine scientist and i cannot tell you how thrilled i am to have this opportunity to introduce you to dr. jones. where should i even start? dr. jones is the director for diving with a purpose and in his career as an educator and scientist spans 37 years. for 25 years he taught at the university of district of columbia and also served as
chairman of the department of environmental science, dean for the college of lifesciences and provost and vice president for the university. we have a cool video to share that will tell you a bit more about dr. jones, so relax and enjoy the show. ♪ >> dr. albert jose jones. one of the earliest pioneers of modern diving and instruction, dr. jones has dedicated much of his life in drawing attention to scuba and the marine and environmental sciences. he began diving in the army in the 1950's. while still in college in 1959 he founded underwater adventure seekers uas which exists to this day as one of diving's most successful clubs. it was a member club of the
atlantic skin diving counseling he began teaching as an instructor in 1962 before the universal acceptance of certifications. in 1991 with the uas at its core dr. jones and rick powell founded the national association of black scuba divers to address the unique concerns of african-american divers. in less than five years they united more than 50 clubs providing a network for divers to become involved in diving locally and abroad, underwater research, and other activities. today it fulfills its charter giving its members opportunities to meet and dive together. with more than 50 years of experience and a 6000 dives, dr. jones has been instrumental in introducing thousands of enthusiasts to diving. he is a marine biologist with a phd from georgetown university and was a fulbright scholar. today he shares his passion by
speaking to students about careers in diving, marine science, and environmental science. he has been honored with multiple diver of the year awards and is a purple heart medal recipient. thank you for your contributions to the world of diving and welcome to the international scuba diving hall of fame. ♪ pete: what a treat. now, i would like to invite you, doc jones, to turn on your camera and join us for a bit of a q&a session. dr. jones: hello, how are you doing? pete: i well, it is nice to see you again. how are you? dr. jones: my pleasure, i am doing fine. pete: we have a few questions we
wanted to run by you. should i give it a go? here we go. first, if we concede that climate change is a reality, and since most of us are not or will become marine scientists ourselves, i would love for you to share with our viewers some of your thoughts on how we can work to combat climate change and its impact on the ocean. dr. jones: when we talk to the average person about climate change, the problem is so big they think they can't do anything. , i know the ice caps in greenland are melting, what can i do about it? maybe individually we can't do anything about the icecaps in greenland, but together we can do a lot. there are things the average person, you and i, can do to maybe not stop it but to slow it down. one of the main things is to stop using fossil fuels.
everybody drives a car. there is the greenhouse effect warming up the earth and the oceans too. the oceans are really having a hard time. we really see what is happening not just in the united states but all over the world. if we started driving less and may be using electric cars, and they are becoming more and more popular, i am almost certain that it would cut down the heating of the atmosphere. in a few months that we have been unfortunately in this pandemic the air-quality in many cities has improved all over the world because you don't have hundreds of millions of cars spewing carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide and other noxious gases into the atmosphere. we can actually see it changing right now.
of course, we are going to go right back to what we were doing for when the pandemic is over, but if we can do things like driving electric cars and recycling more, encouraging people not to use plastic santa styrofoams, -- plastics and styrofoams, and depending more on solar power, everyone can make a positive effect on the atmosphere, which will combat some of this climate change. maybe one person can't do it, and we know one person can't do it, but if everyone does a little bit it would make a big difference in the air quality. one thing that everybody can do is use public transportation. that would make a big difference if you just used public transportation and stopped driving nice cars.if you have six people and six automobiles that is putting a lot of co2 in the atmosphere. a few commonsense common sense things that people can do. people are more conscious now of
climate change. there are very few people who say the climate is not changing. if you live in the united states on the coast you know the climate is changing. if you're lucky enough to go into the ocean, you can really see the difference. especially if you go to the same place over and over like we do. pete: well said, doctor. if there is a hint of a silver lining to the experience we've had -- not the pandemic, but what we've learned from it, it is that we can do a little less without our cars and take positive steps towards creating -- dr. jones: absolutely right. pete: thank you for that perspective. switching gears if you don't mind, can you give us background on the slave ship guerrero and why this is important to you. dr. jones: the guerrero is a ship that we have been searching for for a decade. we got a pretty good idea of where it is.
why is this more important than the ones in morocco and synagogue and mozambique? one is it is in our backyard. that makes it easier to get to, the access is easier. every other wreck you have to go a long ways, you have to do a lot to get ready for the trip, you have to spend extra time there, you have to go through government hassles with the country. this is an easy one. the other thing about the guerrero is it was a spanish slaver and was still plying the trade even after the united states, most of the united states and britain, had outlawed slavery. it was still doing it. they were still selling slaves, captured slaves years after slavery was officially over. guerrero was one of those ships. when the british appointed
themselves as the police of the ocean they were chasing these flavors all over the globe, putting them in jail, prosecuting them, and turning the slaves loose. the guerrero was chased by a british ship the nimble and a battle ensued. both of them ran aground, unfortunately, in the florida keys. only guerrero, 1827, they had 561 slaves on the ship and 41 drowned when they ran aground because they could not get out. the people on shore can hear the battle and hear the slaves screaming about trying to get out. they went out with rescue boats to try to rescue them. the spanish slavers actually took the slaves and put them on a rescue boat and went to cuba and sold them into slavery. it didn't take all of them. some of them they didn't take
but brought to shore. still, they were sold into slavery too. it is a fantastic story. we have been diving to find the guerrero. we know it's there someplace, but slavers are rare and hard-to-find. since this one is easy access we are going to find it. it is like a detective story. you go to the archives and you do a lot of reading, you get a pretty good idea of where it is, and then you get on the boat and you look and look and look. sooner or later you get a hit and you go down with your handheld metal detectors, and hopefully you are on the wreck you're looking for. we will find it. you are very patient when you work in archaeology, and especially in underwater, you have to be patient.
first of all, you are looking for something that is wooden and wooden vessels don't last long underwater. so you're hoping that you will find something metal that will last for ages. some of the ships went down in 1701 and still you actually get cloth, leather. a lot of these things are buried under the sand, down where there is no oxygen so organisms cannot break down, thankfully, break down artifacts. that is a short history of the guerrero. pete: a short history about a ship that can give us more insight into our own history. dr. jones: absolutely. right on our shores. pete: that is phenomenal. thank you for sharing those stories. i have to ask you a question. given your many life and career
accomplishments, is there one thing that stands out for you? dr. jones: i get this question a lot. pete: i bet. dr. jones: i was in the military experience which brings in being in combat and earning the purple heart. these are life altering and life-changing experiences. i would say, and it may sound strange, i would say learning to dive and becoming a dive instructor. if you talk to anyone who is a diver they brag a lot and tell a lot of lies, but other than those two things they will tell you that diving changed their life. it makes a big difference. it opens so many doors. one door is travel. because of diving i have circumnavigated the globe by ship in my 20's, diving provided that opportunity.
because of diving i was able to travel to 50 countries and dive all over the world and meet all kinds of people. i was able to expose all different cultures to diving. and because of the knowledge from diving passed on to, other people that allowed us to train thousands of people to swim and dive. we trained over 2000 people to dive it of charge. we didn't charge for any of this. we were able to train 10,000 people, mostly youth, to swim. now we have those people out there doing the same thing. each one teach one. this all started with six people and now we have thousands. it is multiplying itself. i would say that diving is probably the standout. if i had to pick one i would pick diving. pete: i love that so much. i love that you start with six and now you have thousands. that is a heck of a success.
dr. jones: that was not the intention at first. we did not get together and say let's create a big association all over the world. we got together and we were just a bunch of guys who wanted to have fun in the water. then we grew up and got serious. plus, people were interested. they were coming to us, teach me. i want to learn how to do that. it was a new thing and people wanting to do it because it was new and exciting. pete: people know a good thing when they see it, so it's wonderful to hear about the success. in my understanding, you have an autobiography coming out that i believe is called the pathway to phd. i think it was published last year. i would love to get a copy. do you mind telling us a little about your book and where do we find you? dr. jones: it started as an
e-book. you can get it on amazon kindle. i have been pestered in a sense by my friends in diving and martial arts, why don't you write a book, you need to write a book. out of self-preservation i said i will write a book, get off my back. it is an autobiography written chronologically that starts with childhood, early childhood education, and then the military, sports, and education. what i really wanted to do was have something out there that would inspire other inner-city youth to realize that just because they are born in the inner-city and went to public school, that should not hinder where they are going. i want them to understand everyone has role models. all of these adults who are
successful, including me, had role models.people need to see someone like them so they realize they can do it too. i am an orphan kid from inner-city public schools and i did rather well because i people who encouraged me. they said hang in there, you are smart, you're going to be something special one day. i listen to them and hung in there. it doesn't make any difference where you start, is where you end up that counts. i'm with the youth to know that. i hope that the book inspires one person to become a marine biologist, scientist, engineer. then i have done my job. pete: i would like to take a moment i would like to introduce our panelists from diving with a purpose. let me start by introducing a professor.
she is a black feminist, archaeologist, storyteller, and artist. she is the cofounder of black archaeologists incense on the board of diving with a purpose. she is an assistant professor at the department of archaeology at the university of california riverside and has been featured in national geographic and science magazine and has spoken at the national museum for women in arts, the national park service, and stanford university. her research and teaching interests are shaped by and speak to black feminist theory, historical archaeology, maritime heritage, engaged archaeology, and processes of identity formations and representations of slavery. an award-winning collaborative community engaged archaeological project based on the island of san croy in the u.s. virgin islands. i am delighted to introduce mr.
denson, a board member and lead instructor for diving with a purpose and the maritime archaeology program. he has been involved with dwp since its inception in 2004. yesterday doug jones and jay haigler were telling me that he is one of their first. he is a cofounder of black scuba divers affiliate. he has been a certified diver since 1992 and has logged over 900 dives worldwide. he is a patty dive master and member of the black scuba divers hall of fame. he holds nautical archaeological society certificates and a specialty in underwater archaeology. he is an american academy of underwater sciences scientific diver and volunteer for the national oceanic and atmospheric association and national park service. over the last 16 years he has assisted in training divers to
become an advocate underwater archaeologists. he received a bachelor's degree in electoral engineering from howard university as a member of a national engineering honor society. he went on to receive his masters degree in electrical engineering from the polytechnic new york and is currently the chief electrical engineer for nasa at the kennedy space center and has been with nasa for over 30 years. also i would like to welcome back mr. jay haigler. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for that wonderful introduction. i'm looking forward to the conversation. pete: the pleasure is mine. >> thank you, peter. pete: thank you for joining us. i would like to give each of you a chance to comment as you see fit. the first is why is the work of dwp important to you? who would like to start?
>> i will go ahead and start. thank you for having me, it is an honor. dwp as jane mentioned started in 2004 but with the actual field school in 2005. at that point i have been diving for 14 years and i love diving but always wanted to do more. i've always been interested in history and archaeology. when they started program, as you mentioned, i was one of the first people to register and participate. i have been involved ever since. wise the work of dwp important to me? our motto is restoring our oceans, preserving our heritage. the dwp maritime archaeology program allows me to do that, preserve our heritage. what i mean by preserving our
heritage, i mean it in a physical and spiritual manner. physically we document historic wrecks and sites but telling the story is most profound, and that makes it spiritual to me. especially when it comes to contributions of african-americans in maritime history and culture. it is important to share this rich history with generations to come. another part is training and teaching our youth. jay talked a lot about this and it is very important. to me that opens doors they didn't know existed and it is important to them to see people like them doing this type of work. it sparks an interest. as doc mentioned, dwp and diving has changed my life. pete: thanks for sharing, that's fantastic. anybody else want to comment? >> i will jump in as well.
thank you, erik, for that wonderful explanation. i am a formally trained terrestrial archaeologist and i have been diving with them since 2016. i have been on the board since 2019. one of the reasons why it is so important to me is that less than 1% of archaeologists are folks of african descent in north america. the work that dwp is doing is breaking through barriers in place for folks of african descent to actually get into this profession and work. they are doing it from this nontraditional space. the collaborations that they have been able to forge with organizations like the society of black archaeologists, which i am a cofounder for, are providing avenues for college students, graduates, and up
early career scholars like myself to actually engage in a field that was not open for us, be it financial or just practices inherent that are exclusive and exclusionary. the work that they are doing is really providing this space outside of academia that challenges the representation of what archaeology is and who could be an archaeologist and how that person looks. that is why i love this work that we do together. pete: that's wonderful. what about you, jay or doc. jay: first, let me say a slight correction. doc and i are founding directors of dwp when dwp became a nonprofit. the true visionary of dwp is mr. ken stewart along with a park
archaeologist. they are the ones who really had this vision of looking for, training them and searching for the history. so as they began, doc and i came a few years later, then things exploded and were very dynamic. the work dwp does is important to me because it is, for me, both spiritual and both a necessary thing. pete: i can absolutely see that. jay: everything that we do involves ancestral part, but also involves that ancestry touching today in both our
maritime archaeology programs as well as our ocean conservation. in ocean conservation it is really about bringing the ocean back to what it was. so, again, those are the things that really are important and it 's a foundation for our future. that is why it's really important to me. dr. jones: dwp really provided the platform and format for people to learn this. like anything else, i was already a scientist when i was introduced to underwater archaeology and had already dived thousands of guys all over the world, but this was a lot different -- of dives all over the world, but this was a lot different. this wasn't taking pictures, it was filling in the gaps. i had the opportunity to see artifacts that had been brought up from a slave wreck.
at the opportunity to dive the wreck and was in it. any other dive, it was not like any other dive. it was like touching the souls of the ancestors. it was almost eerie. after that first dive on a slave ship i said weourselves, we cane else find our history so we need to get people trained, go out and do this, that is how it got started. we got real lucky because ken stewart and others gave us the opportunity to do it professionally instead of a bunch of people trying to do something without proper training. we could have got proper training one by one if we went to different schools that taught it, and some others did that. but with the dwp, it was easy. someone was willing to spend day after day over the years to train us to do this.
at the dwp were not there, we would not have all of these people now, hundreds of people that are qualified in maritime archaeology, so very important. i believe anybody can learn just about anything, if they have confidence in it. pete: wonderful sentiment. thank you, those were fantastic. i know we have questions in our q&a, so i want to ask a causal more. -- ask a couple more. how was dwp's work relevant to conversations surrounding social and environmental injustice or systemic racism, these de-colonizing paradigms in the society of ours? dr. flewellen: thank you for that question, the work that dwp does to foster passageways --
pathways or individuals to get involved in maritime archaeology is through the act of decolonizing the field and decolonizing the ways in which people gain access to this field as well. so that is the first thing that comes to my mind. additionally, the work that dwp does with maritime heritage conservation as well as coral reef conservation and preservation puts these two environmental and cultural frameworks in conversation with each other, so you can imagine the training that dwp does in june, they are doing -- they are blending maritime work as well as looking at the natural environment and what is being grown and shifting in these environments based on the impact of these shifts. there is a conversation of cultural and environmental heritage and preservation taking place, which often times are not hand in hand and i know that
working -- which is also home of the nature conservancy as well as this 18th-century sugar plantation, it takes a lot of work to blend those conversations together and to foster stewardship among citizens to care for both. so that is really one of the prime ways that come to my mind around how they decolonizing in the field. pete: that is important work, thank you professor. i would like to ask each of you if you like to comment briefly, i would like to give our audience a chance to ask their wonderful questions, but dwp has many strategic partners, would you mind telling us quickly about the different partnerships in the work you do together and some of the measurable impacts that come from those relationships. >> i will start off and then handed up may be to j and ayana. we have a lot of great
partnerships. one of the -- one of our partners includes the national park service, national ocean and it and the spirit association, this id -- the society of archaeologists, ambassadors of -- costa rica and the public archaeology network. dwp as we mentioned started in a partnership and is started back in 2023 -- 2003 when members participated in the guerrero project about the slave ship briefly mentioned. the star of the documentary needed help to document of the ships in the park so she founded the dwp along with ken stewart. each year, we have a new dwp
field school that was conducted in cooperation with the national park service. generally, we conduct the adult field professions in the sanctuary and with noaa. we conducted missions to document the potential sites of the guerrero, that was done with the national park service and in addition, we conducted advanced training and admissions in the great lakes with noaa. jay talked about one of my most rewarding missions, the documentation of that tuskegee airmen in lake huron. we also are conducting in cooperation with the ambassador see, feel schools in costa rica in 2019-2021. the culmination of all of these sites, we have documented so many different shipwrecks and two aircraft over 18, including
18th and 19th century sailing vessels and we have a team bladed over 18,000 hours of volunteer work and this came -- i will let jay talk about the slave wreck, project partners and the society of lack archaeologists. and i will -- and our partnerships with them. dr. flewellen: thank you. i know jay just dropped out. in addition to the fantastic partnerships outlined and mentioned, i want to state that so much of the work that dwp is doing in various areas around the world brings in community engagement as a central practice in the work they do, so if you can think about the work of ambassadors of the sea and costa rica, that is a community centered collaborative project
that sprung up in dwp where you have individuals who have a myriad of backgrounds both professionally that have gotten into diving to do this amazing cultural heritage and environmental preservation work. you see that a lot with the work they are doing with the slave project and the -- in mozambique and south africa, doing the training to get community members to be cultural stewards and have the dive training to do that work. once projects are over, so they can have a sustained impact in those areas. and that specifically for the relationship that diving with a purpose has with the society of lack archaeologists, their training -- they are training a number of black terrestrial archaeologists to do maritime work and through the myriad of
relationships that dwp has with noaa, with the -- are providing avenues of people to have more training on -- around the world. they are doing fantastic here and abroad. peter: that is so wonderful to hear. thank you for such wonderful perspectives. let's switch gears again and turn to the questions from our viewers and attendees here. let me start with this one. so, the work you must do must be very -- it must be very emotional. for you and your students at times. what you do to manage and channel and kind of rectify those emotions? >> this is a tough one because i have seen grown men, big 250
pounds guys break down and cry, especially when we find something and handling something like the shackles made for children. it is the one artifact that really gets to me. when you think about your own kids and who in the world would do this to a little kid. it gets tough. i have seen whole boatloads of people breakdown and cry. so you have to swallow it and keep on going. we are doing something that is tough to do because it is not like a job. not something you can train for. it involves your heritage, you are a part of this. you say, this could have been my great great great grandfather, my great great great grandmother on the ship. so it is a tough one, it is not easy. it is easy to get into the
water, easy to take up the shackles. i am sure other divers would say the same thing. >> one of the things i do is focus on the work, this is critical work we do. and focusing on the work it makes me work harder, and then network is manifested in other venues. one quick example. we had through our work with the project in mozambique, we train local community monitors and scuba diving and help them join our work. so to watch a community of native mozambique ends learn to dive, get under the water and also now be involved in
resurrecting that memory and preserving their heritage and seeing that bright light that comes into their eyes and that excitement. that is what helps me actually give me a purpose. >> absolutely. peter: thank you for those perspectives. we have another question. how do you go about identifying your targeted sites for exploration and let me world that in with another question that came in. what are some of your favorite places to work and what are some of the other challenges you have, say dealing with permits in cuba, for example. how do you go about identifying sites, what are your favorite places to work in whatever the -- and what are the challenges you face in cuba.
>> one of the things we do, our partners, and we work with marine archaeologists, there are usually principal investigators. they usually do some of the preliminary research, identify possible targets and we make -- may participate with them, scan sonar or multibeam sonar to identify some of the site potential sites. we have done that kind of work. we work with marine archaeologists who may have theories on where wrecks might be located or what type of record as or different types of investors. we work with them closely. they are involved with the proper permits and trying to
help pull all that together as well. and some of the challenges that come about as it can be diving conditions, we drove up in the great lakes, which is cooler than a lot of our missions we do in the florida keys national sanctuary, so you have -- and different exposure suits, different environments and that type of thing. we had two of our members participate in the search in south africa, that water is even colder up there. challenges could be current, good, bad busy victor, -- bad visibility's. -- bad visibility. >> in shows like this, people will call in and send us hints about where ships are.
first, we got all kinds of insights. i would pack my bags up and run all over the world and almost all the time, you go down, there a big metal ship and you get angry, you put your gear back up, and go home. as bad as it is to rely on fishermen and people out there who make their living from the sea. they know where the wrecks are. we take clues from them and through our research, hope that it is there. we do not just jump in the water and look around for a ship. >> i hear you. i will take another couple of questions and blend them a bit. we have a question about, are there specific issues of concern? what are the specific issues of concern for the black diving community?
and what causes fewer black people to get into diving? that we might not be aware of? what are some effective ways to change that? >> every diver know someone who wants to dive. almost nobody -- they see yet and they want to do it. we tell them how to do it and even if they do not live in our area, you can take a telephone and learn how to go diving. if the opportunity to learn is not there as it was years ago, the facilities are not there, you are not there, you're not going to learn. now, it is common, it is everyday. no matter where you live, no matter which city you live in, you can find out how to go learn to dive and you can always call us, we can tell you how to do it.
you got the platform, just because you want to know how to do it, there are smart kids who will never get the opportunity because they do not have the money. the same thing applies to the diaper. if you do not know somebody who dies, how do you get started? dr. flewellen: i wanted to add to the comments around getting people of african descent in maritime archaeology. exposure is one of the key factors to that, especially when it comes to exposure at a young age. that is why we have the youth diving with a purpose program, which is phenomenal in introducing middle school, high school age students to this work that opens them up to the possibility. of this work. but then also when you think about undergraduate programs and graduate programs, at the end of graduate programs, if you are thinking about maritime archaeology and looking toward for instance historically black
colleges and universities to recruit students to do this work, most hbcus do not have an answer pathology -- and anthropology that caters to maritime archaeology are the opportunity to have a field school experience which is required for undergraduate students to have -- these barriers are on a multitude of fronts and outside of the barriers, within academia, you have a very real issue around representation in the public media as well. some folks think about scuba divers oftentimes as -- it is trying to provide representations of a myriad of people doing the sword so from youth to adult, you can see yourself reflected in these professions that give you the opportunity to even think that they are possible for you.
peter: that goes back to something all of you have referred to earlier, this idea that when we see those who look like us or sound like us or we have something in familiar, then it is inspiring. those are wonderful. let me move on to a shout out from eugene, a proud member of the national association of lack scuba divers, former underwater adventure seekers equipment member and he says thank you for the presentation, excited to see you here and i want to give that child on. i have a couple of questions for you. one comes from a fan named -- she had been watching and has a question. how heavy was the task recovered during the dive that they saw featured on the show? was that something any of you want to take on? >> i will take that.
we do not know how heavy it was because of -- first of all them that one of our other members -- first of all, one of our members -- it is a complicated story and it demands the attention of people who have the heart and minds to tell the story well. this documentary series has the power to take that story to a huge audience. it also can help bring attention to the work of marine archaeologists who have been active in bringing these -- although they work in different standards, one that necessarily does not reflect the long-standing values of dwp, the involvement of people who are not marine archaeologists has no impact on our work month but the work of others in the field. it is a very complicated thing.
and so, it is really important and i think the real important thing is that the exposure -- there is that connection from the sea to the land in our ancestors from the past to the present. peter: absolutely. let's keep -- two more questions. one question is, what would you -- what specific curriculum would you suggest to move toward becoming an archaeological diver? >> there are different pathways. the first one is become a diver. learn how to dive first. people come to us who have difficulty swimming.
they are afraid to get in the shower and they want to dive in the creeks. it looks exciting, you go on a boat and go to a beautiful blue sea, it is very exciting, but you need to know how to die. -- how to dive. you must be able to swim, so this goes back to swimming. we trained some 10,000 people to swim free of charge, but we realized that african-americans are overrepresented in drownings. that is a fact. swimming is more important than the diving, so first, get them to start swimming, get them good at that and then learn how to dive. then come to grad school and learn the archaeology. peter: good advice. dr. flewellen: i would also add,
this is not specific to maritime archaeology, but for those interested, we have a number of parents watching, they can go to archaeologyinthecommunity.com for youth to get interested and have an introduction to archaeology. that is one resource that might be of interest. for people. >> you do not have to be in archaeology to become a maritime archaeologist advocate. we do not need to have a degree or a college degree. you do not need to have finished high school. all you have to have is sending skills and the desire to learn and we will take you. peter: when you think young folks should learn to swim and begin scuba? if you had to pick a number, what would you suggest? >> i would say 12.
12 years old. there are a lot of 12-year-old students who are good divers. you saw the video. those are just ordinary, everyday high school, junior high school students that can swim and we taught them the rest. they are good at it, it is not a special curriculum, we do not cut it down and make it easy, they do the same thing that adults do and sometimes they do better than the adults. you do not need to have any degree to get into it. peter: absolutely. dr. flewellen: i also wanted to add another resource as well. junior scientist in the sea are another fantastic group making youth do this work and that is doing maritime archaeology as well as refer restoration work and we partnered with jeter --
reforestation work. that started from training students just to swim and getting them into open water, advanced rescue, so there are a number of resources out there available. peter: absolutely. you have a wealth of information. let me ask you all as we wrap things up, i would like to give you a minute or so to share some of your closing thoughts as we move toward wrapping this up with our viewers. dr. jones, do you want to start? >> first, i want to thank you for allowing us this platform, we talked about it months ago, right? in wyoming of all places. we thank you very, very much for allowing us to do this. peter: the pleasure is ours, it is an honor to have you here. >> and roscoe the audience to
have their interest continued in this, we have a website. feel free to send us and email. if you want to be trained in this, let us know and we will put them in contact with our representatives. please, send us a name. that is how i got started. i got started because someone came to me and talk about marine biology and i said, i like that. i know it works. please contact us. peter: absolutely. how about you, to jay. >> yes. our strength is in our partnerships. we are partners with the global community. we like to think everyone we meet, every institution has a potential to become a partnership, so we are looking forward to a partnership with
the harvard museums and piedmont. -- peter. our global partners make it strong and we are stronger together. our partners in mozambique, dr. carlos, young scholars, dr. abraham in synagogue, there are strong orders that make all of our organizations strong. with this platform, thank you very much for providing us this platform to talk to the harvard museum at the harvard community and we are looking forward to a bright future, so thank you. peter: -- >> i would like to thank you and
harvard university to allow us to share our story about this amazing program, which is truly an honor. you can tell we are passionate about this program. it has been a life-changing event for me. and i invite folks to come join us and experience this life-changing program. they can learn more about us at divingwithapurpose.org. hardships and collaboration and the bonds we formed through this journey has been of the utmost per -- utmost importance. we continue to expand so we invite you to participate. peter: last but never least, professor flewellen. dr. flewellen: in a state of gratitude for the harvard museums for allowing us the platform to share this fantastic work and i will say that my
introduction to diving with a purpose in 2016 has completely shifted my professional and personal life. the work that we are doing as absolutely transformative on so many different levels. and i cannot wait to see more youth in particular get involved with this work. because it is really with the young folks that we see the most promise. i am looking forward to knowing who is going to meet -- be the next great explorer out there. who is going to be the next great historian to show a new way or format of world history. peter: thank you all for your many thoughtful remarks and wonderful perspectives and of course, thank you for your tireless efforts to educate and inspire people all around the world from all walks of life. from my point of view, your mission to educate them a welcome, and include and promote
friendship and collaboration among all people, regardless of where they are from and what they have been through, that is inspiring and something our world needs more of. thank you for what you do, i wish you and all of our viewers the very best. we will everyone, stay safe and i look forward to seeing you in person sometime soon. ♪