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lawmakers expected to debate several of biden's federal reserve nominees. also lisa cook if confirmed would become the first black woman to serve on the board. live coverage of the house. watch the senate on c-span2 and online at c-span.org or with our free video app, c-span now. >> welcome everyone. i'm it's a great honor to be here this evening and i like tothank you all for joining us . this is a virtual channel so many of you joining us from chicago but i'd like to welcomeeveryone around the world who is joining us . this month marks two decades since the opening of guantcthank you for joining us tonight, and we were here to
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remember what happened there tonight and we're here to o remember what happened there. still ledge it's happening and ask how we might change history. while at guantc letters to his attorneys, which he then transformed into this vital read the manuscript of ti letters he sent to his attorney which he transformed into the chronicle in collaboration with award-winning writer antonio aiello. "don't forget us here: lost and found at guantanamo" is to coming-of-age stories in parallel. a makeshiftisland outpost become the world's most notorious prison mand an innocent man emerging from its darkness . this evening i'm joined by trent mansoor adayfi and antonio aiello as well as patricia and mark. i'd like to invite you all to follow the hashtag get most twitter stream and wjust a heads up, we will be dropping information in the chat and into the comments this evening so you can follow
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along. they will be talking about some of the artwork created at guantc at at guantanamo and the the creation of this book. so is mansoor adayfi as an advocate held for 14 years without charges as an enemy combatant . i he was released in 2016 where he struggling to make a life for himself and shed the designation of a suspected terrorist. he's published several new york times pieces including a ut modern love column and contributed to the graphic ontology and scholarly volume of witness and torture. he participated in the creation of an award-winning radio documentary and the cdc policy which aired on radio lab. he also worked for non-fiction writers at social justice journalism and he and antonio are working on
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adapting this book for television . patricia began representing them without charge and traveled to over 200 times to meet with her client. while she is a law professor at northern university college college of law where she teaches courses on constitutional law and civil rights . i'm really grateful i am going to pass the mike to antonio and mom sewer to be do a brief reading from the book and then we will hear about tmark's poetry collection. thank you so much. >> mansoor, you want to start things off before i jump into the reading doing the chance? >> so yes, of course. thank youeveryone for being here tonight . and thanks to our euros
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especially today who actually become part of our lives and they are defending the rule of law. i would like to take you to the way we are working because we are talking about the poems and singing and dancing from around the world. basically these are the songs that we celebrate every day. when someone comes to the back or when the new group arrives, they talk about it like it's hell but when someone hears that song, especially thebrother when
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they arrived , there's that beating of the journey. and you think it's fine. you think you collectively hear a song in guantc at least t least 200 or 250 prisoner saying at the same time. prisoners at the same time. so ... [singing] which means ... [inaudible] so guantc to ene the people it get you know, someone solidarity and encouragement, especially the brothers who used to go to solidarity of torture, e. especially the name.
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it carries everyone. and we have, they would flood down and everything. so we would sing for them because they would put their brothers and put them in one or two months for interrogation but when they hear are singing it's some assurance that they will be fine. later on the brother said we thought we were going to the summer camp with your singing. they would put us in solitary confinement. >> that was excellent and i've heard mansoor sing it with some of his other brothers and it was really
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nothing all the voices together was amazing and i can't imagine hearing it booming through the camp . to bring us into the book i'm going to go ahead and read a couple of passages that mansoor and i thought would be appropriate given where we are in time as we approach the 20th anniversary. and what some of the things were that helped men survive. little things that helped get through it. i'm going to read passages on the scene and i'll just dive right in. the first passage is the set up is one of the major hurricanes hit guantc evacuatedf staff and they left the and sand they left them to weather the storm on their own. for the first time our blocks quieted down. guards, no change, though planning and clanking .
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our daily lives changed that day so the wind could sing twice. without the green tarps weise looked out her window and saw the vast and beautiful sea, darkand angry . hundreds of menin metal cages . an afghan he brother called out when he saw the scene. when we were alone in the camp we faced our friends at the impound. we listened to him how and whistle and punched the rocks below. when 1000 case had to fill with water some of us feared the sea would carry us away. it was scary how the sea, how mad the sea was how loud the windscreen down and just when
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we thought our friend would take us away ithe calm down and soon we caught a glimpse of all laws ctranquil beauty. those hours without the tarps were like a vacation. when the storm passed the sea looked refreshed and whole. the sea so deep it wefilled my eyes. a huge ship sale nearby. it was such a strange and beautiful site loan ship on the open sea. we all waited for something magic to. maybe that ship would come and free us but the ship past two and we were alone again after three days workers returned and put up the green tarps blocking our view of the sea . when the guards came back and the noise again we had loved the sea and now we love the sea even more. it had left us unharmed. knowing he was there we were a little less alone. so the next section is about 10 years later and this is towards the end of mansoor's detention. and they have a sense tof humor and mansoor gets into
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this but it's a reminder of how long men were held without being charged with crimes. they were held arbitrarily without legal representation and they changed. tein the early years of our uncertain detention we teach each other about how long we would be there imagining the worst. we say things like i think the americans will keep us here until we become old man. what we should put in request enow for wheelchairs and by the time interrogators approved them we will probably need them. always almost always a bitter truth to our jokes. after 13 years some brothers couldn't walk anymore and they did need wheelchairs and walkers. some of us have lost our teeth and now had dentures. the years without toothbrushes and toothpaste
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had caught up with me and i had to start wearing glasses, the harsh light from eight years of solitaryconfinement had damaged my eyes . this all scared me. i wasn't worried about my body. life in prison was like having your hard drive will be erased. the longer you stayed more your memories were overwritten with new ones. i talked to my family every three or four months and that helped me remember. basically letters with news that helped to but i looked for something more than i had when i got the news or phone calls or meetings with my attorneys . an emotional bond that had been taken away from us . that connection in hidden moments with the natural world like when my dear friend had a magic power that healed me and took away some of my sadness. i can tell him anything and he would keep it and carry it away. i love the sea and catching a glimpse of our friends made us happy and calm.
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on the upper level of camp five my brothers had a view of the aisea. a time i felt hopeless or lost i went to one of those brothers and asked to look at their window. i said it's safe to see you again. tipeople change but you never do. sometimes i spent an hour or more just staring out of my friends lost in memories. they transported me to the beaches and the careful happiness i felt as a child. in my mind i can turn myself into the waves and try to wash away the difficultlife i lived . that alwaysmade me feel a little better . and with that i'm going to hand over to mark who i think can speak more about the poetry in the art of guantcbut thanks so much. so. let me let me start off. off.me start this is an absolutely terrific memoir and is
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consistent with everything that you've heard from our clients over the past 18 years of really helps break some coherency to the experience. just very briefly about homeless from guantc poetry written by detainees inside that was published in 2007. a little bit about the genesis of the project but before i do i want to read a little snippet of one of the poems called road to the sea because to me it resonates with the passage we just heard so just small piece of this poem in which the poet it initially talks about the sea as kind of emblem of hope and as a friend in some ways also as in some ways a treacherous one. were it not for the change of the faithless i would have died and reached my beloved
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family and perished in your arms. the beaches are sadness, captivity and injustice with bitterness eats away at my station. your call is like death. your sweeping waves are strange. the silence brings up from you old treachery. you taught us in our captivity, you polluted with our enemies. you truly guard us.how many crimes committed intheir midst . and so that's the end of that. so that's a stupid and the cuban vanquished. bilingual on there. some of the poems that we found had been generated at guantcand i moved we lawyers too put together the book just very
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just very briefly real side of it happens because we had taken from our clients n. [inaudible] >> once when we call in tonight i want to read some of the translated letters that they sent us. we found that the letters included some poems so mixed in with the description of some of the typical indignities that the man had suffered, the kinds of things you heard about now like having their trousers taken away from them so they could included some
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requests for jewish dictionaries, things like gambling money. we also found a couple of things interesting in its own right. i guess it's interesting to me because i was reading a collection of poems by brian turner who was a united states soldier from there and in his beautiful poems nhe was clearly creating empathy and understanding for someone else. this is exactly the kind of thing i realized that our clients were doing by sending their poems to us and i thought wouldn't it be wonderful if the american public could seget a sense of their humanity and see that the men there were striving to create. emaybe it would be a little bit of an antidote to the
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perception and that was generated by dick cheney that these were the worst of the worst. that utter nonsense like that. after clearing it with lawyers we worked with i realized a lot of them had written poems and we thought we could perhaps try to put together a volume and get it published. among those i read that first day were called shadow depth. [inaudible] we can talk about that poem because it was never cleared by the pentagon because it was understood to be a security threat which was silly but it was cataloging him of the abuse on the hands of the military. we were able ultimately to
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get enough poems cleared through this process that we could put together this anthology which described the ways we present the poetry and also described tsome of the circumstances inwhich the poems were created which were fascinating , the kinds of things they read about in the book but for example describing short poems into styrofoam cups that would be passed down. they're very much can to trying to take tomato seeds from a lunch and trying to plant them into the scraggly soil of guantcbut strikers he lh
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more about hunger striking in mentors, but but i'll just read this and then wrap up. i'll just read this and wrap up. hunger strike poem. they are criminals increasing their calm state of criminals claiming to be peace loving. they are criminals torturing the hunger strikers. there are arguments of pain and fatigue. there is our insults and humiliation. they are faithless traders and cowards. they surpassed cowards with their criminal act. they do not spare dvd to a child. they leave us in prison for yearsuncharged because we are muslim . where is the world to save us ? where is the world to save the hunger strikers? we are content content by worshiping the almighty and armando on this island is
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salaam. i'll say one word about adnan. he was unjustly imprisoned since 2002 at guantcer he to have a judge determine whether he should be released or not and he won at abs hearing and he eventually was released but the obama administration appealed that decision was reversed by a concerned court ofappeals in dc . they attempted to have the supreme court revisit the case because it was denied, adnan was told the supreme court would not return to his case. it's just horrific.
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so that's a little bit of the poets and i think i'll just handed off. >> thanks a lot mark. mansoor, i want to say thank you very much for calling the lawyers heroes in my book, the heroes are the men who withstood with such courage and such fortitude all the things that were subjected to virtually but desurrounded by americans and you have the generosity not to hold that against you.i don't know if i could have withstood what you did physically at guantc that mentally it
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completely destroyed me.stroyed and afterwards i would not want have anything to do with people of that nationality who inflicted that torture on the . you're my hero and you're really conveys that. it's quite an unbelievable story.. i just want to ask you how old were you when you first came to the unitedstates custody ? >> my friends, my reporters are from the united states and my jailer ... [inaudible] i don't hold anything against them. as i look at guantc boys adminin
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or trump's demonstration their species. i think america is bigger than america is bigger . the system may have so it's one of the most our whole countries that exist. of course the world. so when i was sold ... [inaudible] so you were in a cia secret prison before you came to montano. >> on the west side. >> :were you there do you know? >> several months. [inaudible] i was filled one
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more time than to the americans. the americans, not the people . the cia and the afghanistan's .n they had a large quantity of money in afghanistan afghanis . 10,000, 15, $20,000. so yes. >> that's a really interesting point because a lot of people when they find out what i was doing guantc end up picked up as though there they must've done something wrong but in many cases what they did wrong was get sold
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by someone else for cash money. the united states wasoffering for people . >> if you look at the report, when they were taken forabout the money . and a lot of this, over 20 votes. those men were picked out from the sea. they're from afghanistan, pakistan. bosnia , mauritania. many countries were either sold for about the money or were handed people to the americans and forced to work it off. i said look, what about those people who are included by the cia. they were caught and were imprisoned b.
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[inaudible] they spent years and years. so it's just so crazy. and also global afghanis who are fighting with americans against our al qaeda, they gave them a new ... [inaudible] it's so crazy. >> i do trust you. you mentioned interrogation. how long did they continue interrogating you after you you mean the whole time the 14 years you were there the full were there?ime, you >> the whole time. in 2000 when the liquid came to power in 2009, instead of
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torture it uses them to get to a new place. these three they were brought forward and now they tried some offenses and they said it's no more effective because these prisoners talk freely. they said we're trying to get inside your head and they said it was hard to assess his mindset. for 15 years, you get my war stories but by the way, i revert. i cautioned them. i had to agree to everything. the problem is giving them the details .
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so in 2014 i started to talk to them and i used it to go what's your name. and i am 56th brigade and so on. they said you have to chill and i said no, this is who i am . so over and over again the psychiatrist came to talk to me and told me you live in some kind of estate and you have to change, you have to be a bad person. i said no, this is who i am they tried to convince me . they said they're going to put you in a facility to give you some medicine. and they came to talk to my brother and convince them that he's a bad person. i said that's what you been doing the last 15 years, i'm
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not changing. >> what intelligence do you think they were hoping to learn from you after 14 years of isolation at guantcew? you know, i think it is high >> i think it is highly you classified and i don't know what this means for a traditional device. as we see, they said if you actually joined al qaeda or if they are members ... [inaudible] you cannot take it. it's so crazy i said look, either he's al qaeda or he's al qaeda. we cannot dismantle for 14 years, we have to take something .
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i served both roles. it's like a show but in reality, this is the reality. >> so mansoor, you speak english very well. how did you learn english s? did the guards encourage you in that? >> the guards teach english. ... [inaudible] they say if we teach you english you'll join al qaeda and join the terrorists . >> and you think the terrorists will worry for one to come and help them. after 2010, we started to initiate t, they said he wanted
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to come up and down, we were force-feeding the hunger strike and also the brotherhood was so tired aiand they could not take it any longer. so some would benefit and i told them we have to vote for the hobrothers. the brothers said we cannot take them. so we hunger have a hunger strike getting more freedom and access to tv and newspaper,communication with their families . both in the food and hunger so when i went it's not in a bad way. this is 2002 we had been tefighting to whatever they saw in us.
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i went through stages of fear . it's just like a table and also mentally, what i did with myself i said is my life going to be that way? and i have this phrase, i knew that it was like education so i started focusing, readingas much as i can . i got that book, it's like well, around the world in 80 days. and it was like we had the blood so i had to come and be
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heard in some form. hide from the camera. they said five or six months to finish the book, i think it will help. and my brother says mansoor, is around the world in 80 days. i said look, i found my sweetheart and it was finished. >> right. my pages frozen. what was the last thing you said? >> i said when i find my sweetheart usi'll finish the book because the man in the story found the one he loved in the story. of course the first gift i got was one of the girls, i lived with amissionary because he saw me every time .
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okay, this is a gift. it's from our country. but the world where you left in 2011, 2012 he called it a golden age . you listen to the tv sometimes with a headset and i'm listening. i didn't understand but i had to laugh. >> you mentioned mansoor that you eventually were able to experience communal living with your brothers. what happened? did you ever regret all the years of noncooperation that landed you in solitary confinement so long ? >> number i didn't even think about writing this. i think i did the right decision. i was one of those people because assorted brothers who
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were compliant, food and so on but they lived in fear and that fear was worse than chains, worse thanany torture . they had been living in that fear of being transported through their blood on the cages . so we knew to be sharing, we were given less than three years. what we got from the demonstration was basically we talked about complying. they want to change us. they want to say something that we never did. and since then sometimes they would protest ... [inaudible]
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i'm not going to stop unless everyone moves tenfold so the first date when they started announcing, i called them and i said look, no one should go unless we all go. and i told the commander, i said tell him what we're doing there and they let us get there. they could go tenfold because it's guantcin kempor. brothers . this was only 70brothers and . so so basically someone had to stand, someone had to do something . i can't, it's like a bad prison. but where we lived, there was
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transparency, courage, honor and so on and when someone came to at that time, right or wrong. then i cannot do it, you can't do that so basically they classify finding the second. >> so for the benefit of the viewers who may not realize this , with general miller that mansoor was negotiated ewith, he is the same guy who then later was sent to belgrade present in iraq and he had marching orders to gitmoize abu gharaib.
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mansoor, was your family able to visit you? >> the lawyer is the best one who can answer that question. >> i know. so the answer is obviously no but how long? >> pthere were people who managed. they didn't need to become cia classified or how they could come to guantc our familys animals iguana cats. all right princess, right? yes. >> yes. >> how was it, the time you got till guantc speak to your family by phone? speak with yourfamily by phone ? >> 2011. >> oh my god. nine years. >> my 71st, in 2007 when a yemeni brother lived in guantcn you tell my family and t
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family. they said yes, we had no idea . you are missing, we boughtyou died . not the american government, not my family. >> are you able to communicatewith your family now in person ? >> not yet. they have to fly to guantc story of the book. . think we are goingshallah i think we are going to share the data to get it done. so far, number especially because of the situation in yemen. it's the situation as we indicated and anby the way i
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finished my dissertation on the market. >> and you got a degree with honors in business administration, is that right? >> it was the student of the year. >> that's totally amazing to me that you are able to do that. you got your ged while you werestill at guantc on i focus on education. i start to rule. we work so hard to get me in the states. i was accepted by one of my colleagues but my brother and said no, tyou cannot it was a good year but then they said no.
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so i finished my ged. they said we cannot ... [inaudible] it's the same story. >> that's ridiculous, i'm sorry. go back a little bit to what you were saying about the ou hunger strike . can you tell people what it feels like to be on hunger strike ikbecause i don't think any if any of us have ever experienced that. >> hunger strike, that's crazy. first, i'm from iran. i was ahead of someone who was not eating four days. some during the day, at
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guantc we have before guantanam. we had been through a lot torture abuses beating and it is accumulated accumulated and it never get anywhere any better. committee andnever get any better . we guantc as you know, like if that and so we within what to do. what to do .ea you do one thing, they do another thing. especially when it comes to matters of separation. this is very serious. it tears us up so bad. taking the koran. >> for marking us praying or refuse to get hot water. so one day i asked her brother why he was praying.
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we shot at the guards i'm on hunger strike so that i heard the brother 100 hunger strikers. and they said okay. >> they said each one what they have. it was a cushion between us and so on but i think the neighbors, they spent years on hunger strike so for me i can't eat when someone is not
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eating and i joined up. we spent the first time, 109 days. it's an historic thing in the book . what i wrote, it was really deprived but i was also in my 75th day of hunger strike . so it is i can say a slow journey towards death because everything is so near your body because you're not eating and functions in your bodystart shutting down . talking, moving, thinking, everything. so we did hunger strike many times. they said three years, nothing compared to the brothers that spent 10 or 15 years.
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>> wasn't like force-feeding you would get in a hospital. they deliberately used large tubes for example. >> nobody thought they were doing it and we were getting force-feeding all the time. when i went i wasn't even around 0119 or 20 pounds. so this is the way they go to there. if you go 100 pounds to like 89, i reached 120 and i would stop. >> okay. >> and i said either let us die or feed us because what
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you do istorture. they said no , our law is to keep you at this weight. if you go under 100 pounds and some of the brothers literally went to 82 poundsor 85 pounds . so it was for us we start to not go the way they wanted because it was a battle with them sometimes and they would use large tubes. as hunger strike we are in confinement all the time. we wear a shirt and a blanket from 1:00 until 6:00. no shower, that's it. you're on hunger strike, you are being punished.
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>> so that eventually you in 2016 get transferred to serbia. many brothers who were at guantcwhy didn't that happen wi? why did that not happen with you? >> especially yemeni brothers are prisoners were in a different war and it was not safe to spend some down up there. some of us forced us to eat. i used and i went on hunger strike basically and they said you have no choice. i would argue when they come to meet me i would ask them information. they said if only we come to talk to you today, we have a question for you.
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we have a new law by the us government. you would be forced to eat. they told all of us because one of the brothers refuse to leave. and he told them here's one question. do you think if you go to serbia will be a threat for your life there? i said i don't know, i don't want to go. >> i said i'm not going. they sent me to serbia anyway and when i arrived they told me we expected you to be here but basically this is a problem i highlight and the implication was they can take the iteration. in those countries and other countries where not free and
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we're in stigma, lots of difficulties, lots of challenges on healthcare and no access to education. we're not getting education, i have to go on hunger strike. there's i was arrested, i was beaten. i was interrogated. >> so mansoor, you've been through everything you describe. youwere sent to a country with a history of antagonism towards muslims, that's putting it mildly . and you got youruniversity degree . you are an advocate for detainees still at guantc detaio have been sent to other places sent to otherplaces like the united arab emirates . what's next for you?
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>> what's next. i want to get the tv show done and get the book done and also i intend to finish my masters degree. most important, look for my sweetheart in life. >> .. >> do you want to go? >> go ahead.
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>> i think my questions, i'm so deepl' involved in what you have been through at guantánamo but i'm still, what people understand what you are going through in serbia and what you're going through just as far as the stigma of guantánamo. i think this is an important questionan because it doesn't jt apply to you. it applies to everybody and i think the united states has done a good job of trying to just forget the prisoners who were detained at guantánamo. once they are released to let them go away and say, kind of like their hands and say they have been released, they had been placed in other countries, where no longer accountable. i've read recently things the united states has said explicitly that they are not accountable for prisoners who have been placed in other countries, you know,w, the terms are up, it's kind of out of their hands and yet you can't leave serbia and it seems to me you can't leave serbia probably because the united states will let you leave serbia.
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so can you talk a little bit about just your situation and your troubles trying to relocate out of serbia and also some of your other friends who suffer from even worse circumstances then you suffer from? >> antonio, for the last five years as you know i have lived through uncertainty and was threatened to be deported. i was accused of being like for talking to the media, accused of being, doing some -- for terrorism. i was arrested over and over again. i was s asked to shut my mouth. i was asked to stop talking to american lawyer. but one thing if i learned at guantánamo, just to t go do what the right thing. so basically i'm notot allowed o leave even though grade and less i have to report through this before why when warehouse and this question. anyone i get in contact with as
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you know get either arrested, called by the police, and interrogated. so basically even the way the serbian media presented in the house al-qaeda, as aki killer, s a terrorist, they told me come back to guantánamo you see in the newspaper. even the media in these countries play major role how they present us to the society. i have tried one of the things that really hurt me so much that i found a woman i wanted to get married to and i wasn't allowed to travel because i didn't have travel document. this this is the reason. i tried with my own country five yemen indices different embassies around the world. no travel document. also the stigma will live in you because as a told you those countries didn't have, they didn't recognize, they didn't know, they did know i was
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spinning all those years in jail. it was a matter of money and doing a favor to the united states and especially trump came to presidency he called the office that at the state department, so syrian government told me literally they told me everything has changed now. trump isin in power, and everything went worse. evicted. now i'm trying to get to lead this country. maybe unlucky but some of the brothers as you know, they ruined they were in synagogue deported back to libyaa where the ended up spending another two years in jail torture. brothers from united arab emirates were releasedni from guantánamo, they end up in jail for five years even the one to go back to guantánamo. they said it was worse than guantánamo the way they were treated. then they sent back united arab
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emirates too much ago or three months ago, send back to yemen without coordination without jim government or ngos are the lawyers with anyone. they were handed over to counterterrorism forces in yemen. actually the militia in yemen, then some of them even last 24 hours they were kidnapped by the militia and end up in jail. i worked with patricia in those cases. so we have to again to fight for those brothers now we're trying to find someor kind of help and support for the brothers. those cases, there is other cases in kazakhstan and some of the cases in bulgaria and albani yet and slovakia, others -- [inaudible] refused to get involved, and sometime theyus need just to tak to those governments to do something about it.
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we didn't know what to do. we didn't know who should we talk to, and we found out like sometimesal helpless and we had some time just toe talk to the media about to highlight those cases. i hope that by the -- biden administration can do something about it. they said they might release some of the guantánamo prisoners. they might look at the cases. so antonio i think you are aware of my case. sometime i get angry y and matt and fight with you sometimes. i'm sorry. >> is all part of the relationship, all part of everyday life. >> well, i think i need to turn the mic back over to all the to closebu this out but monsoon ai, thank you very much for sharing your story with the book and with us tonight. >> i would like to say just one more for the viewer, please join us today and please we have last
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year i will send a letter to mr. biden for the closure of guantánamo eight-point plan. you can endorsese the letter and helpo us to create some kind of pressure to close the guantánamo. i think guantánamo can be closed i you, and everything america, special thanks to the lord for guantánamo, patricia. my thanks to my deceased lawyer and to the americans really. hurt i admire them and thank them for the people who protest and fight for the courage -- closure of guantánamo. most of them americans at t thak you so much for doing this. it's not about us. it's not about guantánamo. it's about us all as humanity, about a humanity. and calling for justice for guantánamo, actually we are fighting for the justice for american justice system that is been abused and misused for a long time. thank you so much. >> right. >> i just put the link for the
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close guantánamo letter into i e chat, if it's possible to tweet that out. >> thank you so much. as a translator myself, the t literary quality of this book and the human quality really move me, and i'm so, so grateful. you mentioned to me when we first discussed this event company said that guantánamo is not just a place, it's an idea. it is in the people and it is everywhere. and i found that so powerful on this day before the 20th anniversary of when this present was opened, and i would like to thank everyone for joining us today. thank you, marc falkoff for being the conduit of poetry. poetry that is still considered a security threat by our government. patricia bronte, thank you for your legal work and your expertise. antonio aiello, thank you for bringing, helping bring the story to life, and everyone,
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please head over to pilsen community books.com to get your copy of poland's from guantánamo added by marc falkoff, don't forget this year. thank you all so, so much. and stay safe out there. >> thank you so much, guys. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> "first ladies: in their own words", our eight-part series looking at the role of the first lady, their time in the white house and issues important to them. >> it was great advantage to know what it was like to work in schools because education such an important issue, both for a governor but also for president. and so that was very helpful to me. >> using materials from c-span's award-winning biography series first ladies. >> i am very, very much the kind of person who believes that you should say what you mean and mean what you say, and take the
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