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>> and hereby granted a full and unconditional presidential party. in which all americans have a thanksgiving and may god bless you. [applause] [applause] [inaudible]. >> follows on social media as cspan history, for more of the state in history. >> welcome to the nixon library, name is jim byron the executive vice president of the nixon foundation it and toer everybody watching on youtube this evening the nixon foundation website or all those watching onn c-span.
i have the pleasure this evening welcoming and introducing to eminent scholars of richard nixon in an action in the nixon era in our moderator this frank gannon a member of this prestigious white house fellows in the nixon administration and the latest served as special assistant to counselor, rumsfeld and he was a chief editorial of the research and the memoir's writings the former president years and sent clemente. and he is the rare distinction of having sat and interviewed the formerer president for 38 hours, on tape,e, in 1983 rightn those materials now reside at the university of georgia keep body archived in our distinguished speaker is a rhodes scholar, john roy price harvard educated attorney and cofounded the society migrant from the 1968, rockefeller campaign to that of richard nixon.
he probablyd joined at the nixn administration in 1969, working for the urban affairs council later working with domestic advisor, as special assistant to the president, urban affairs. john later went into banking and also becoming head of government relations firm and had a bank in of the federal loan bank of pittsburgh. and especially noted that john roy price's jointed this evening by his daughter alexandria and his son feel so welcome to both of you predict john's new book, the last republican insider perspective prevails the influence of those across the broader administration priorities and how these men it is rather the president and indeed the president himself impacted american social policy for decades and much of which were only realizing now.
eleven richard nixon advised the democrats instruct the republicans the extent of his d presidency, he proposed a guaranteed family income and he almost achieved a national health insurance program if you can believe it is a republican, but i will cite the best of the the conversation for these two gentlemen, please join me in welcoming john roy price and frank gannon. [applause] [applause] >> john is eminent and i am in a i met a division of labor. it is a pleasure to be here, an old friend and not former colleagues because of gone by the time i arrived the white house predict but john has written a very important book pf which even is combining several
things, it s is a autobiographyf a marginally prestigious person and john, he continues to lead an interesting life. and you're there every major place and you are there never major event and you knew all of these people worked for it is really interesting. any presents a very authoritative overview of the liberal and conservative ways of the republican party through the 30s through - and he then also an insiders view of very of how some very tasty and substantive sausage was a mistake policy sausage was made and the west early mostse productive years of the 69 in the 70s in this for three
years, everything possible and the stars were in line at the staff and nixon and even some of the congress so not much got through. but at anyny rate, and then the nixon literature. you provide a an objective but impacted you nixon and of what he was like and that is rare and you bring your own experience and the observation but you also bring your own judgment and intelligence so it is a hand, this might sound heavy but you have a way with words, you rely for the telling in the attic tote which makes it really easy to read and easy to remember. and ato phrase so you put on yo, and the most important thing is
you will sell you, and signed books afterwords so let's get a book and begin at the beginning, tell something about yourself. >> i was actually the product of a small liberal arts college in iowa, grenell, and it was i think this is revealing, hundred years ago, it was one of the cradles call the social gospel movement which was essentially a christian inspired effort to propel the students out into the world to take an interest and be active about the ease of other people, less fortunate people so that part i think put some kind of a stamp on the emotionally on me in terms of the interest and among the others who drank that
kool-aid if you will, graduated from grenell and went on to be raichlen roosevelt key in the new deal and he was a product of that. so i think that that is something looking at me which is important. >> with that in your mind when you chose itatmp printed. >> while county going back to the diaries injuries that this is from another think i'm amazingly, the discipline of this man, sometimes trinity. >> what when i started putting some seriousness when i i wa 255 years old, and found this diary and i really wanted to do something about people's welfare and health and god love you. in the case of the nixon - >> and this is where it begins because it was easy you're a or just a friend there. no. will jerry pretty.
>> will yes jerry as you may recall, jerry was the member of congress and the liberal democrat and against which he ran in 1946. and to his great surprise and it was regarded as a very negative and dirty campaign and they underestimated him but the point is that at grenell, a classmate ofof mine name jerry vorhees jr, and he went to the washington semester program together where i heard nothing but things about richard nixon and he told me in 1960, when election, his father the former congressman, was in a hotel in chicago, and he was in the bathtub with ice and booze and beer and wine and for
anybody, anyone who wanted a drink or two to celebrate nixon's defeat. so as i said in the book, is an odyssey from that b background d society more liberal group and worked for rockefeller a sort of this paradigm in the 1960s liberal republicanism to wind up with richard nixon it was uninvolved and therefore i think not seen as someone is really a progressive, liberal and somebody who believes in government as an agent for the good. active strong government. >> as your father who was an engineer, archivist, not a politician and with nixon, he had gone to observe the eisenhower. >> my dad was from the coal mining family in west virginia, stthe move from coal camp to col
camp and then went to college but he wanted a long story short, he wanted in the executive office of the president in charge of defense and mobilization. and in the course of that, he had a couple of chances to present to the cabinet. and he made impressions of richard nixon was not hostile or negative but they were not going a positive and he just was not sure of him and this was on the list of nominations in the 60s to run for president. >> there's so much in the book there's so little time, so i'm just going to go for it, one of the figures that as you sort of describe the actions, or the wings within the republican party, one of the prominent figures is thomas e, the governor of new york and this is the attorney general of the state he was no crime buster read and dewey, long neglected
by the fascinating fellow and he was from michigan and he was an aspiring opera singer, bass baritone and he had actually a very good voice that he finished in michigan and he came on to new york as a lawyer all the while taking voice lessons and in fact, too much of his time in the early politics, he saying in jewish synagogues new york city do have enough money to help support his family pretty but he was from the wing of the party that originally was very much roosevelt oriented and teddy roosevelt fielded much of the progressive wing of the party in 1912 election and the guy who seemed to emerge as a liberal figure party was over clark hoover and an icon for worldview
but in humorous case, all of these young guys like dewey and they all sort of came to new york together, mostly from the midwest and sought their careers together and from then in the 1920, herbert92 hoover was a beacon of optimism and so on. do we sort of picked up that torch in his hoover turn on the reveal, dewey and his friends, became a sort of barriers of the more modern republican party. and they were good at it, tom dewey was elected three times as the governor of new york and a diverse and incredibly difficult to manage state and the politics. but dewey became the focal point and he managed to organize a sturdy, well disciplined party which was ideological, he was sort of practical and yet they were progressive and they were
oriented towards labor and so he became sort of a hoover or early who are type figure. and then what happens is this terrible thing in the republican party were dewey representative or activist p and more liberal ranking and brought taft, robert tattoo became the more focal point of the more conservative crowd was anti- new deal, anything with the new deal basically that sort of extra the new deal. and that struggle is beginning with these nomination, twice for the presidency and then he stood down a third time, a figure of hatred, and violence and he still was there in the saint is a dominant figure in the more liberal way in the republican
party pretty. >> i think it was relatively short in stature and very dapper, this a photograph of him and the house that roosevelt father who also had way with words, said he looked like the man on the top of the wedding cake. and, it's easy to make fun of people. >> is a snapshot, he was very responsible for nixon's emergence and sub emergence as having been elected as a senator and suddenly two years later, his nominee. it actually running mate and he described it is in the 1952 where where nixon speaks in the dewey comes up. >> and then afterwards, he said that just say the way you are and you couldy be president someday. and they talkedd y a lot.
and later residing as attorney general, and he said in his memoir, during an interview that this guide nixon, this would be dewey's candidate for vice president so nixon came in with wavering sales and the window behind his back and a wonderful saying, and so dewey was very very instrumental in helping to place him on the eisenhower ticket pretty. >> he's in a 40 figure richard gordon smith, he wrote a biography, interested in politics. >> and ian made a more prominent. important figure pretty. >> and then again, just leapfrogging forward to the society, what why how women wear who. >> and people like me, lawyers and political signs and
biologists and in the cambridge area and mit and harvard law school. it is a group of people who helped towards the more conservative party, theco republican party but more sort of lock 800 bike and benjamin british conservative where we are conservatives but we are the dickinson the societies as a whole and coherent and for the people have confidence in things that are working for them. specifically, it was modeled on the british organization which was part of the conservative party but was sort of bridge between academic circles and policyholders and officeholders and so the society set out this tension is to try to with the republican party and that is what we try to do. >> and it was a ten-point scale,
and liberal group of liberal and republican students entirely. >> and graduate students. >> it was founded when pretty. >> in 1962 and then finally really clicked when kennedy was assassinated and we really looked and thought what are we all about tan what should we do and we found a name for ourselves which was the name in wisconsin which was clearly the republican party out of a whole bunch of different prior organizations like the quakes in the know nothings had so and had specific reference to the founding's in the republican party. >> we have a disadvantage when i showed this to you t earlier, is a group photograph, i see a
couple, i see david young who became a white house colleague. >> david was something active. this was one of those moments in time pretty. >> and then i think of this is when power went to your head and you started to do like the vanity fair pretty. >> i positioned myself in front of the camera. >> is that you in front of the camera. >> there was a bunch of institutions in the cambridge ever in the area predict. >> a great friend of thene librarian, very important part of the nixon administration and the speechwriting office. >> he is superb human being and he went on into the world of words and he wound up being a publisher of the international tribune and is still at work writing and teaching on george
washington university. >> how would you characterize the general view of nixon, 66 -ish. >> i suppose one in 64 when nixon it with goldwater very strongly and so he traveled with dnixon for months during that autumn but the rest of the people would probably much more lean towards another who was or emerging as the leading with goldwater and considered rockefeller was sort of the big state, big governor, big spender who progressive wing of the party. >> the other interesting thing that i hadn't thought of was before he deflated, romney was - >> romney was the governor of
michigan and more likelihood. and george, a person never and born in mexico. but he was someone in the warren product, is very passionate person, particularly and he was a scrapper. he was way beneath the opposition party, the trade unions and you jump into it, the democratic part to do something and so he had the strength of his convictions. and his pulleys were extraordinarily, higher than anybody else at the time especially because he had not appealed to the evangelicals. but the sense of humor so powerful, that he could appeal to the evangelicals.
and the divorce of the woman - that finally sink rockefeller romney for a while, and rockefeller was giving access to suit his extraordinary files research and information on policy but it was always on the nomination himself. and romney tripped and fell and so rockefeller took it. >> then you sent rockefeller peaked into early and then he came back from vietnam and he just observed area changed his view and he said he had changed his view because when he went there, he was brainwashed by the receipt had been given by jean mccarthy who. [inaudible]. >> brainwashed, romney said i've been brainwashed. and the other said it was only
taken a lights rain. [laughter] >> iav think you have a picturef you and rockefeller tells about him and what is going on. >> i wound up, mentioned rockefeller and aydin separate work for rockefeller and through digital company now called opposition research on goldwater and when goldwater and this was taken from 1968, and i went up being the head of delegating intelligence when rockefeller's presidential campaign where we go on all 1533 delegates to the convention and their alternates. since the time, we understand whether social associations work with her interest where and foreign policy and with the healthcare and so that was when i was working for them and as i say in the book, he had a glow, he was a schmoozer.
not particularly articulate, going back to romney, romney had real feelings about religion inn such an rockefeller would occasionally try to fumble through that sortth of field and he had what we called the bob call. lesley: brotherhood of man and fatherhood of god speech it was not very successful. but he was at the same time, the builder, a strong personality, a strong figure and had early been muscular really working and he was, case in point, republican >> richard norton smith became's or evolved into a superb nelson - several years ago. tell us about another titanic
figure that you work with closely and tell us about him. >> more rich than any story of the first nixon white house and in my view, nixon's appetite for policies, and his desire to use facts, as well as politics to make a decision and was primarily democrat and active as a democrat. and he tried successfully to run in new york city as public office and he had been despised through his work in the kennedy and johnson administration any published something called the negro family report. that essentially was a very sympathetic and understanding active a consideration of racial question. the thing that caught nixon,
despite the fact what i was saying earlier, in 1968, working for kennedy and then work for hubert humphrey actively rated but what caught nixon's attention was a speech that he gave 18 months earlier. [inaudible]. and it was sort of the wheelhouse of the liberal democrat of politics and he said, in 1967, and in 68, was paralyzing with close what we have today. you had race riots in over 100 american cities in an 18 month. and you had extremes on both the right wing and the left wing and one thing in the speech in which he said, look, all democracy and our institutions are fragile, they are at risk and the
liberals and conservatives must come together and must findus a way to work together to protect the institutions and to help the negroes of the american institutions that are there to help them printed in sort of like edmund burke in a way, the irish figure it was a truth and the servant had really believed concerning governmental pressures and values, you have to look at what people's needs are and address those needs but at the same time, understand how society is made up of little platoons, like the elks the kiwanis of the knights of columbus or the society in which we blog the churches of the wschool nice. so nixon on one hand clicked over that article and he, nixon asked him to come in and talk to him despite the fact the
democratic opponent thing. >> politics breeds strange bedfellows but it was interesting in this case. as you can see, he was steve describing him as an elk pretty kind of an elk and it went which was not a great premium on wet. wit. the winds of change and put together a or to show the sort of position of somebody who has been campaigning for robert kennedy the wiki was killed and then ends up as nixon's head of the domestic policy so we have a very short clip from the firing line in which william buckley introduces the dent then
democrat humphrey arneson and we butted up against a very short excerpt from the phone conversation it. it is a longer conversation but this will give you an idea of the nixon monahan dynamic in the relationship in sort of the interplay between these two boys because they were really intellectuals working on that plane onll the policy. >> then he was assistant to the president on urban affairs and indeed the last time i saw him, he was speaking at a rally that was appropriately scheduled on halloweenpr night braided affect as with him and convicting him owned elected the following week. >> good morning mr. president i am writing a speech which i will give today the united nations
and give them a little hack. >> all right do youtl have a minute or is this a bad time, i'll be delivering a 730 right in the middle of it but is brief and you can listen and is your retention time along. >> i never admitted and i just say to you, the new yorker is running a pretty long long sections about the specifics and i think you will be pleased because they are really astounded that they had at what you have done rude and the other thing is that i will, in terms f the pakistanis, i might need your help elevate could cover you after you come back to china and it may be too late. >> pointed to come down in a month after the un session in
december is a good time, december or november, come down in november. tell bob and also we've got to get this very close to pakistan in the working architect on it and we put into hundred $50 million. it will feed them pretty. >> mr. president, you're doing wonderfully how are you. >> we are working on somee thins and very much in the developments. i like the un and i am trying to do some things that i have time for and off to make it very statement to the russians. [inaudible]. >> was unintelligible generally pretty. >> he city would make a nasty speech to theus russians and evn
say that the russian in the un, the russians pointed out or criticized us, the u.s. because we had a labor union demonstration against the administration and he was going to tell them that the last labor union demonstration in russia was being suppressed in 1917, by the communis and there's not been any unionsny in russia sine then and he was looking forward to that. we went past a photograph of arthur burns, and i wanted to ask you about him because as the head of the urban affairs council which was essentially domestic policy operation but he also brought in as counselor the president which was sort of a on the same level, arthur burns, who was the antithesis on one hand what was up with that. >> you know nixon w from the whe
house and he was a conservative and an academic and unlike monahan, all of the time. [inaudible]. and author was a very decent human being and he went on further to have a great career chairman of the federal reserves and investor to germany but he wasn't conservative and richard nixon realized they just hired two professors from harvard. top national security advisor and the other from harvard. any thought will i've got my concerns on the more conservative side fence so i know you want to be chairman of the feds and in the meantime, what you to oversee this policy brought domestic policy and
really politically the counterpoint in one hand. it was clear that nixon set them up as party partners because they would fight each other with great foreign and quite a force. >> so as we move forward, we have photographs so yes this is the urban affairs council and is i think this picture tells a lot about this sense of humor so can you describe what is going on there. >> this is awa young staff, i ws young, age o 30 and there were three and thank you were 22 years old and also 23 and then we also had the gentleman in the frame, in the middle was part of
a group, thomas mast, political satire from the 18th century, the guy who punctured all sweeping and fallback in cartoon politics and culture and this is important printedyn and somehowe douglas out the basement and the basement office in the white hod it was there for all of us to see. and the reason was the adjustment swindled out of some things by some investment andom there he is. >> indiana policy, you're a government and you cany choose from these variouser collection, the paintings or they illustrate your office so nixon chose the stewart portrait of washington for the mental office and tr and woodrow wilson the president eisenhower the room and
president obama chose the i think the statute of liberty, the charge of the statute of liberty and another had flags predict when there was a strange presence and it was a very young staff and i think that nixon monahan he was 42 in place and was 56 so with that were really that first year of the presidency. and i think that others were 27, 29 pretty. >> yes sf was really young and higley was in diapers. so what waswh the urban affairs council and what did it do. >> this was the very first executive order average and nixon signed, two days after the inaugural parade was over and basically, the domestic cabinet
and what happened is nixon had he served under eisenhower's very familiar with the national security council which evolved her which was created in 1947, the president and vice president was a statutory member and you hadnd for staff to terry member, this is nixon about formal training the domestic policies. in his early times had talked about themselves after the election said that he wanted something informative way could manage the process of making a policies about education whether it was development or it was health insurance, or whether it was welfare, he wanted someplace where could be discussed on the top level of government and he used it has i would expect he was almost like a judge, he had
the legal side and what is done typically was, you would've seen this religiously in the retreat meetings as though they work in oral argument like a judge would here in oral argument from the attorneys in the case of this was what he used. and he personally was very involved in that point he, he had this executive secretary to this body and the defense counsel and i see ten months later. [inaudible]. nixon chaired 21 out of 23 of the body's first 18 months of office and so he was into it as i said, you can read the documents. >> is estimating at what you are
there. >> i got here in this picture, my back was to the camera this was the first time that i took over for pat, december 5th, 1969 pretty. >> it's interesting that you describe that he was like the judge because the professor in the garden recent book about three days of a camp david, augt >> 71 when the economic policy and he describes nixon's role there really as a judge in your book you describe the back-and-forth arguments predict you follow them like a tennis match and nixon was a masterful manager and not only did he brought in very formidable intellects and people with different experiences and his opposing views and then he would give them a chance to read all the material that he would bring them to gather at camp david
over the weekend and have them argue as a judge. >> and buchanan was always an pat has become a good friend and he said in his book, the nixon was wanting to hear all points of view and he would hear the arguments as well is those people can make the arguments and take their positions pretty. >> time is not her friend and so many things near pocono, and the family assistance plan is very important the line about the white house, i think the first and only one that they had thousands of attendees, they had 1800 recommendations and tele what they wrote in 1600, so it was tremendously successful thing which hardly known it all.
>> the hunger issue is one of the radar for nixon and about nixon's role there but indeed he convened a white house conference with food nutrition and health in may 1969, and he brought in a suggestion of a very interesting and very french medical doctor, was at the toughest medical school at the time. harvard medical school. and he had been with the french resistance and he escaped it by issuing an was captured again and wound up - but he wanted running that conference printed. >> we have a photograph of him, with nixon pretty. >> this is actually christmas eve of 1969, the start of the left, the resistance fighter
and those are the 2000 recommendations that he had to do nixon and nixon then handed them to me to implement at but then we sat down at his desk and this is perhaps leading to something else. nixon in his speech proposed radical change in the food stamp program and at that point it was not in every county in the united states at all, and no uniformity centers for 400 levels of the essence is a change all of that he created the food stamp program where it became the first true income guarantee pretty if they simply had no money or no cash, they did not have to pay anything so that was the way that nixon in one of the few things that he undertook
since the snap program now, simple mental assistance program that feeds tens of millions of american people. but in that christmas eve meeting, this was really important to, nixon gave me recommendations to follow up on but then we turn to what we talk about welfare reform. guaranteed income for all families with children. he said to me, you know, we are going to get hit anything the democrats really have to go for it and we must do it and he says you knowt what will happen, every year is a battle over raising the level in the republicans will oppose it and can best. and he said yes there will be
those partisan fights but he said the important thing is we will have established a principal, the principle of ensuring there's minimum income under all american families. >> not the least, most of it is that you put paved to charge the nixon was not really interested in his domestic legislation and you put it out to the left and they charmed him and seduced him and you just chapter and verse about how he wanted it done and he kept going back to try to get it done and used his time and energy. >> he was a product of his time and like many today, and the space of the dole, for people when they couldn't work or when they should not at the same time, he
understood, and the museum shows the house where he was born. these people were not living clipping coupons, nixon was aware of hardship. we took the heart the needs of people and coming from the world war ii, veterans mindset and the g.i. points at the source unity in the country in the confederacy coming on something. he was not one of those republicans who would throw away the new deal. he does not want to fight a worldd war then going to combat when he came home so nixon and instinctive reference for using the governmentnt to address these things. so that is what drove him i think ann monahan and he
worked intellectual partners. and that was his advisor in goldwater's campaign and 64 and at the university of chicago and so to is even now the experiment when he was - the bipartisan ideas predict. >> and then in the 68 campaign, mccarthy campaign on it and then when the time came, the mccarthy did not support it. >> you see it today predict when the republicans were in before, you don't want to give credit. >> so nixon referred too much what he mysteriously took
this and how disappointed he was. >> history remains to remember us buying on the one hand he said that have a few members ofe the cabinet and e said but i have my doubts. >> in his own congressional relationships, they were not helpful. two very quick things because i'd be very quick. as a christian working man's anti-communist national defense harvard active in 1969 printed. >> he wanted that belting past. the name of the department of health of education welfare conjured up the case for the secretary who is worried about this idea being called negative income tax and so
the staff cooked up this there you go anyway so they gave that up and so they moved forward and it was a negative income tax which means the fair tax child credit today, there's a lot of things 50 years later were hearing some of the proposal. >> you're not talking about welfare programs your talk about addressing welfare and poverty. in 1968, maybe a decade now, immigration is a hot button, the one that will get people lined up on thesi south partf the rim so in 68, the welfare is the culprit. in the image was portrayed is
minority female-headed families in big cities and nixon wanted to get away from racial stereotypes and he wanted to address not just tinkering with the program but he wanted to address the common man and that is when the families plan was designed to do, for the poor. >> a washington establishment, an italian restaurant, sort about the neighborhood, the library but the pinnacle seen in your book, it's a dinner you have at that point this restaurant. >> will pat was a long advocate of what is called the children's allowance and you see a lot of that now, the child allows any sort of went to the european idea which was the universal
giving of a certain amount of dollars to every woman and child every man woman and child in the children's allowance. my objection was there would be a separate income tax return but you are going to give everybody who doesn't need it and so on one and at this point is tracked and the other school of thought was this negative income tax and we would have an incomee tax program what you the payment reduces your income increased so he found when into that so the staff people who have been working on this would say there was no positive response they would come up with an idea. and somebody had come up with a negative income tax and actually two days before nixon claimed residency, i
had dinner with him and idi said, think about this income tax so anyway, we finally got back in front of it and monahan said that he had the answer, we go with that and then he led the charge. and he managed to really get nixon to agree to it. >> very important remarks about naming things in the negative income tax, the thing that you call them and is also interesting with his society produces this term, early on, it was not successful as it was catching on but so much else going after ms. because i want to ask you about nixon. he city thing that he introduced the presidency to its power to decency of every human need and what, i mean,
by that, i think that you have to read his inaugural address. he read the inaugural address in every presidential speech and he then digested it and in that address, he was taking this attempt in tamping down the noise level in hostilities, the inaugural address is a beautiful beautiful address. so this is where i feel that it was really getting worse and pat buchanan, was my friend and emissary and i asked him, the things that he has on his tombstone, the history can give no greater
accolade and also with peacemaking. about 70 took office, he wanted to know that he could leave that he could could bring greater levels of peace and order to the world because he really believed that. i understand the nixon really believed some of what he was talking about with health insurance for all and food stamps for the destitute and the hungry and i really think he felt the conviction that was something which not entirely secular, there was something more to it than that. >> and asked that he was born and raised in, and how nixon, you point out that you think a lot of the staff did not understand this because they
were approaching him on a purely pragmatic role and did not understand the kind of spiritual dimension. and i quote you, the nixon was such a mixture of intense qualities, work, resentments, brilliance, courage, but ultimately enabled him to be bigger was that he was a man felt so many anxieties himself and could feel those of the less well off of those who felt condescended and the minimum most rigid self presentation is obvious energy for political success, people thought that was all that there was to him and to get behind the iron curtain is hard and i think you're right and i think you do. >> by and large, these appointments and the families in the department, vaguely understood nixon singer with the democracy and how he
would get upset with it because they knew that they wanted him to fail often and so they sympathize whenever he would get upset. and with the bureaucrats and so therefore these reactions that nixon had that with accelerate because when you get a response they would feel good and told them something that excited him and then it would give him angry. but i don't think they understood this but others were very very unfaithful and caring out the decision but as an important on one hand, in terms of making the welfare reforms and grace and try to push it through. annexes that we have poets and we have doers and you must have poets in the sense of the use of language to
help animate people's willingness to be with you but you also have have people who will do it. and families and they need to be done printed. >> and in the end after the sort of golden age of monahan, he left and the affairs council was replaced by domestic counsel. >> the national security council was like a statute in 1927 so what happened is urban affairs council of formalized and got his formal structure. >> when did you write the last republican and what he what people to take away from it. >> i alluded to what i thank you so topical, somewhere in
the diary of mine, 60 years ago, i felt this that welfare and people well-being and i think that we are on the moment of coming back to some of that concern and of his heart and that even people could go on in somewhat an opposite direction and issue of like mitt romney were talking about child tax credits and health and so i would like to think that one thing is my do is to say okay, here's the battle that was fought before, 50 years ago, and a lot of it is relevant today. in the argument is in the concerns, and events to myself, these are one of the things of many causes to fail was there been a couple of
so-called income maintenance parents, one in seattle one in denver and they were very small samples in the question it was, well will this help send people to work or just to help them lie about. and of those experiments appeared to begin to say that people may sort of lean on these a little bit if they have this income. right now, that was an argument and disparate those arguments closing the family assistance and today, when the middle of a huge part of this right now is a result of payments going out to people they knew this year the likelihood is probably strong donate part of the people's
exercise is past, it might be the child tax credit in which case, we will have a two - five year run nationally with incredible amount of money generated after which you could take a hard look at that policy of income support. and have some real strong analytical stuff to go through the final parts of it. >> john roy price thank you for writing the book and thank you for being here tonight. >> watch book tv now, on sundays on "c-span2", online any time at booktv.org, that's television for serious readers.
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