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>> hi. i'm the executive director and i'm one of the founders of the center for liberty. it's part of the research that focuses on identifying and establishing market structure that will ensure the full independence as robust as american journalism in the digital age. i'm truly thrilled today to be able to introduce nikki usher a
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senior fellow and nikki's new book "news for the rich, white and blue" how place and power distort american journalism. nikki is associate professor at the university of illinois champlain and the author of two previous books but i first met nikki five years ago at a holiday party in the foundation here in d.c.. people who speak southland tried it avoid references of power class. after talking to nikki for five minutes they were like two things, nikki usher is a brilliant observer of today's journalism and nikki usher is a of a fighter. i thought to myself to nikki and ii are going to work together to help save america. especially google and facebook but also the wealth of the
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privilege. then our politics got in the way. donald trump, trump won the white house and facebook decided they wanted to rul the world so it took a while but in late 2019 nikki and i reconnected in this book is proof of two things, first that nikki indeed has the chops to save american journalism and she can pretty much do it on her own. that said we have several to talk withwi nikki about "news fr the rich, white and blue" who is an expert and that is matt thompson. he's editor of the new times which does deep investigations and economic health than they have remained and more. he's worked for the "minneapolis star tribune" at the atlantic as well as the center for public enteric -- public integrity. in her book nikki writes
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journalism is what enabled active citizenry. i welcome everyone is joined us today because this is as important as nikki'swe book we can't mention democracy and 21st century must every citizen is active engage and every citizen is workingev to protect and rebuild american journalism. finally one little note which this is being recorded for booktv on c-span. we don't have an air date for that but hopefully we will let you know soon. i'd like to now turn it over too. >> very much berry -- thank you very much berry and for discussing this book "news for the rich, white and blue" and how place and power distort american journalism with nikki. nikki i think it would be hard to be a journalist in the news
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industry today and not feel like you're poker describes the world so we will test the premise of your book a littlest bit during this conversation but i want to assume it at first. the media struggles to amplify the voices that need to be heard in democracy those with institutional power political representation and meaningful -- and yet i would say most journalist is know and i know a lot of journalists, come into the field but this passion for uplifting the voices of everyday people particularly those most at risk of discrimination or oppression. how was it speed weed come ton these noble ideals and
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amplifying structural inequities >> it's a great question and thank you for chatting with me. there is tremendous journalism done by -- so one of the things i start to worry about our national news organizations. they are doing them and they are doing that well but it also
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distracted like let me explain the poor person in mississippi whoeo has raw sewage flowing through her home so there is great journalism and there is journalism that is focused on the concern but being told about people rather than for them and that's one side of it and i think the other side of it is that you can get trapped into doing what journalism on his desperate or certain kinds of stories that you cover and certain kinds of stories that are going to win awards. he talked to the powerful because they are the ones who can verify things. it's an institutional routine of journalism and then you have to look within yourself to to think about who gets to be a
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journalist today and who gets to be at journalist and telling these stories and increasingly they don't want the rest of the united states. this isn't like an anti-intellectual audience. do people's experiences that have led them to the newsroom give them the ability to find their blind spots were to understand what the issues are. >> one of the questions i wondered about most when i was reading the book is what you think has changed the most. you'd mentioned just now that these failures or weaknesses of journalism are long-standing. they there are aspects in some cases of how journalism is
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engaged in the u.s. with a political power elite. what do you think are the biggest changes that have amplified itth reinforced that dissonance between who is represented in newsrooms and who is represented and what the concerted people are that populate our country? >> they are as i spend the media elite. theis question now is that we really are at a crisis point. and whether the word crisis was apt to describe it. people are literally going bankrupt and why are important news organizations tripping into
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the core? it's the news industry at an all-time uncertainty and it's not just for newspapers but it goes further disruption of internet tv and cable in all of this stuff so news organizations across the united states creates a different set of customs for survival and for those who choose to go into journalism it's hard for people who want a safety net that they should tank their career if they want to make the world a better place. there are more stable jobs that still help people so that ends up being a really serious problem for people are scared to take the risk.
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>> and her risk for all sorts of reasons. economic, political and other. i wanted to talk in terms of the threee dimensions of place that you mention in your book that you talk about places both the geographic and material setting as you put it as being something that is lived where we go to the grocery store where we travel on the highways and having cultural economic and symbolic power. i kind of wanted to talk on all three of those. i think they contribute to the divides that you chronicled in the book and i should say to the forces you chronicled in the book so i wanted to ask about the ways a in which it separatey contributes to the problem so
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starting with the geographic, you talk a lot about where newsrooms are and are not in one of the things that has always struck me that i most wanted to ask you about in newsrooms and a lot of cities, the classic ideal of where the newsroom is situated in the city is a big building downtown the security cards to all the entrances and where it's both a symbol that this place is a powerful institution that is powerfully accountable and down from city hall but it's also an alienating monolith where the news is made hbehind closed doors or walls somewhere and is there a possibility that it is that real
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estate has gotten challenging for media to uphold it actually sends them deeper into their communities. and it makes journalism in the process of making it more accessible. positive cloth and i'd be curious what you think over this been a serious disruptor and now parents are working at home and potentially its life-threatening depending on who you are. it's a virus so that is the ability of journalism to do reporting. it's a position in a place where is that millions of people they grow go through the port authority in times square in a
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single day and see this gigantic building that's beautiful and clearly like a skyscraper to "the new york times." i think chicago is the ultimate example of all of this. it's like having a gothic cathedral in the middle of michigan avenue. my students don't realize that that's now a historical landmark. even though when. they aren't there anymore and you would to see somebody's condo but i think being a monolith undermined the authority of some of the conditions in places. they saw the new building introduce and they -- disappear
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and now they don't think there's a newspaper anymore. they literally knocked it down with a wrecking ball and it's not there anymore. and in a place where it's a real thing that's deeply problematic. i think you would hope because you don't want a lot of journalism in the newsroom. you want them out and about. so we would hope so but my worry is at a time like this you don't have to go downtown. youu aren't going to encounter a homeless person every day on the street before you get on the metro or write a city bus. so you are encounter people outside of your daily routine
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and i really worry about that. you are put in certain situations where you're not used to beingmi in. you joined the times at a time when your are coming from san francisco and i put the question back on you. >> it's interesting because and i'll ask you this in a second there's an ambivalence the an ambivalence that courses through your book and ig feel and to fd about this too. on the one hand there are all of the cities and minneapolis it's interesting. when i worked at the "star tribune" in minneapolis it was very prominently downtown with the "star tribune" carved in stone into the top of the
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building. you were going to a vikings game and you were going to see the start tribune is this big institution anchoring downtown and now it's in a beautiful setting, still downtown. the name of the newspaper is not quite so prominent in the former site is occupied by the viking stadium. so i feel ambivalent about it. on the one hand the "star tribune" staff has been reasonably robust and has come back after one of the most troubling. i would saya that any newspaper has gone through. that's a story for another day
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but there's a pie that the paper is active in its community and its healthy relative to where it was, still fighting every day for its existence but i don't knowst when minneapolis was experiencing its peak waves of protest and 2020, last year i don't know if the journalists that were downtown, i don't know how many of them felt personally the pressures of the city. and the park which is the distance away from downtown. i don't know how much the residents who fought for and identified with minneapolis being renamed after john c. calhoun to being back to its
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original indigenous name. i don't know there's a to pelt represented by change if they felt represented by the "star tribune." they saw neighbors as journalists and saw the authority that the institution had as being authoritative to them as well. i can tell you those things despite having lived and been a journalist in minnesota. so it feels like that ambivalence that same flavor at of ambivalence really runs through your book and you say two things at once both that journalism is critical and does and can do a significant amount to shore up, reinforce and make a healthy democracy in on the other hand that it also reinforces patterns of
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inequities that are constructive to democracy so is that ambivalence? do you feel that? >> every academic is complicated i think the conversation are not taking in the nostalgia of journalism. you can't get to the heart of what's happening around the economic crisis and around the crisis of arguably having a of representation and you can't talk about that stuff when you are eloquent about public service journalism and serving the community and what happens when the watchdogs aren't there. and the way that news
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organizations in journalists are part of the structure. they aren't always perfect. they have are patched with the legacies of racism and segregation and in actuality de facto. he you can't just try to put a band-aid on the problem in journalism while pretending it doesn't exist. my big objection is if you want to talk about changing journalism and making it better this idea of converting institutions that have not always done what theyyin have promised and often have fallen short of the goal that's one goal but if you want to say journalism you have to look at what is the function of journalism not the institution of a newspaper and that's what i'm getting at. the journalismit is important tt matters but you cannot have an
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honest conversation about what it does for society and democracy unless we acknowledge it as we imagine it. >> in the process of researching and i would say reporting to this book what gave you the most hook and was there anything that you saw that you were like that looks like a post newspaper element that really likes me up? >> you know i think there's a real difficulty because i recognize as someone who has long studied in the news media news organizations are powerful institutional voices and some in journalism are serving some who are underserved like some of the
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work going on in philadelphia. and some of the most exciting experiments in journalism are committee centered about committees for communities but i wonder about their ability to speak to power. i think there are entire city government who people have no idea that they exist. i'd give a lot of hope in the fact that people who don't consider themselves journalists but that are also putting out election guides. also protesting of mugshots in rnthe newspaper. so you know i think there is a lot of hope but i just wonder how much power people on the periphery even if they aren't
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working in journalism have to get the attention of the people and that's what i worry about. their own authentic journalism and i encourage my students to see this too. i encourage anyone to see this but how do we make sure that city t bureau in chicago that somebody actually cares and that's what i worry about. >> i think that tension between net access to power and the authenticity reach and representation of journalism that i felt every day i would say of my career and possibly nowhere more than in d.c. where access in its most brutal
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incarnations is like a game. it's like what are people in power and people with proximity to power are willing to give up for what sort of represented in coverage. i guess are there alternatives and are there other this powerful people than having to go to d.c. and to go to or be physically geographically removed from the people whose voices you are purporting to represent in your coverage? >> i think that's a delicate dance of access and power.
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you need to be close to it to understand it. the advantage that you and i have is that we have been in that world and we have lived it and we understand it and we aren't scared by it. it's a considerably important skill to be comfortable with people who are in charge of governing in the soul around doing things that you don't necessarily believed in that yu are doing it because it gives you power is something you see up close but the problem is to get pulled into that world and you think of what's happening in your immediate circumstances the mostir important and you know tt you could literally make a joke aboute something from "cnn" hor ago and everyone in the room will get it. the story of the day in d.c. is
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so often so far from the story of the day. it's the story of the day in d.c. that debt ceiling and this terrific day in minneapolis is what's happening with -- so that is really problematic. one of the things that i think is really interesting is there a number of journalists who are working for ancillary d.c. publications like ♪♪ and propublica rill standardbearers who are choosing not to live in these big cities. how do you cover national news not from defeat? of course you can do you don't necessarily have to be in d.c. to coverni the national news and i think they are really conscious of that and i think we'll start to see journalists
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leveraged institutions they are part of and till the -- to not d.c. mayor. >> where starting to get some questions in the q&a so i will start putting those questions into our conversation. it's interesting when i was at the center for investigative reporting just before coming to the times i advocate reveals amazon investigation and i think of it as an example of building power from a lot of different places. amazon has been investigated by a lot of journalists and its practices in particular are covered a lot by the press but it's hard for those stories i would say to breakthrough.
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i would say the investigation did in part because that reporting was very much focused on finding employees working at amazon warehouses across the country and equipping them with the know-how to get these forms documenting injuries in their warehouses, in their organizations and so we had people sending us these forms. those forms can only be requested by workers. we had people all over the country sending, here's what we found in here at the injuries and that allowed us to put together this picture that amazon denied. it felt like a form of power. ultimately we compelled them through the courts to give us thatos data but that feels liken
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alternative power and i'm curious what are the possibilities that you see for and national organization to work with organizations like repeal bid and the indianapolis star times to craft power in a different way. >> i think this is one of the reasons because you're really rethinking about how you do investigative journalism from the bottom upp where the people who are covering it become people who are part of creating the story themselves and when journalists make these connections in these communities the bottom-up power challenges usingte journalism and big
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institutions as a vehicle for redirecting upward and how can we continue to take the strategy that used for amazon with other corporations and the corporations are the ones that the crisis in journalism hurts more in terms of reporting because you can still request government backing that amazon and google don't want you to have that you are never going to get it. you are going to need to work with people on the inside. honestly we are rethinking how we engage sources such that it's not just a conversation for a starting point to go off and do your own investigation but covering it themselves. that goes beyond engaged journalism where people are like hey a journalist i was always
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curious about chicago. that's one form that you are talking about taking it to the ant's degree but the ability of large national news organizations that ring together smaller more regional that's a way of amplifying absolute but i worry a lot about the internal talent. .. this is like the kind of thing that sends shivers
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>> to imagine having this power to help create. >> you mentioned places like city bureau inn chicago in the project were there doing that in there asking ordinary people to do the baselevel work that goes into a functioning city hall report of going to the meetings and figuring out what questions. i want to talk aboutng the culte of the press for a second period you mentioned places cultural and symbolic. you asked if i mispronounce your name. would you say that the media hero vacation and vilification of big cities politically centrist figures is example of in class religion ideology, rudy giuliani after
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9/11 in andrew cuomo in 2020 and a number of examples just from new york. anthony weiner. >> retake that it's absolutely, the fact i that anybody in peora can tell you y the mayor of new york city until june which certain places. with somebody living in central illinois. but i think there's relationships that develop over time and giuliani became a mayor, cuomo became a governor. the relationship that this family has had in new york goes back in entiree generation. i remember when his dad was a senator.
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i think what i tends to reflects an embedded power or relationship that is very long-lasting and very much a part of how journalism works and how you get the stories. there are only certain kinds of people that are being bought into those rooms and cuomo can make bad jokes but we will not do that. i think that the bias that you're talking about in terms of class in region and ideology and that is really my critique. how we cover the powerful reflects an idea very much so what the media elite understand tods be power and why that is important in in the media itself areal powerful. especially at the national
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level. >> one question, he asked whether we could discuss upon access and representation problems, even to add a layer onto that question how would you address the difference between who has access to consume the news and who is represented" newsroom and elsewhere. >> i think there is nothing more maddening than the fact that certain people get better information than others because there deemed as likely to pay in willing to pay. i understand journalism has to be paid for and there has to be some way to do it but what happens it ends up distorting the conception of people making the decision about who the
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audiences. they are subscriber and subscription base. hithat's what's happening no subscription base. that is the strategy the only way going forward but it really distorts even more so than what it was before and who the news is for. increasingly when people are cut off of new information particularly at the local level itev becomes easier to treat people the subject of the story as subjects. rather than people who matter that were going to engage with in stories told about, rather than stories for.
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[inaudible] >> is important for people who are in elite decision-making decisions to have great information but the downstream effect is people having really important information from their daily lives. that's problematic, you have to pay to know something about what's happening with your sewer the newspaper in the city's only place you can get that and i have no idea what your school bus driver is not showing up. >> that is so right. one of the challenges ill would say for us in the business, what do you do i would point this question to you, i did the same journalism that a lot of ngjournalists do where i reportd or edited in fresno, saint pete,
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columbia, p missouri, minneapols and the incentive of the profession and to point us in that direction of to get more immersed in the culture of the press then a particular place. where we are deeply rooted and connected not just on the city level but integrate level. by having identify that prescription, what is a journalist to do how do we overcome or mitigate, even approach entirely different pathways to p journalism to see parts of the world that are background training, education, class privilege my obstacle here. >> there is a larger culture of what it means to be a successful journalist. i think that challenges as part oft. it and particularly talkin,
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is being in d.c. sports reporter working for espn, is not the kind of goal or is there a different angle. arguably more true than what we started theo conversation with. a desire to change things and tell stories of people that write in that. that is one side of it. internship with the economic crisis in the crisis and representation journalism together. i think the most important of all of this is making the people working in newsrooms look more like the communities that theyhe cover. there is no excuse and i looked at the staff yesterday.
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9% of detroit is white. when you look at the number of journalist who are white it's something like 80%. and you cannot tell me that there aren't ways to do better. do better how are we failing as people who care about the stuff to not make it possible for people to be empowered to become journalist to work in these places and the leverage of the institutional power to do bottom-up directive journalism. the stuff that you're doing with rna and they started to see colleges sponsor.
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you get internships. we talked about before federal work studies and people don't have to refuse between covering working for the student newspaper and taking jim cards were so they can afford to work, the federal loan forgiveness that they're not included in nonprofit journalist can definitely be sucked in. whatever you bring up journalism is a big migration but we need to do better in part of doing better is having these conversations that were having today and not shutting up about it.
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>> i would say it can be easy even especially if you just trained on something like race and ethnicity as opposed to considering a a multidimensional in your analysis and income wealth privilege. it could be pretty easy to create access and to pat yourself on the back for creating access to folks were represented i'm curious how we define and speak exclusively, how do we talking newsrooms about where our deficits are. a i hear a lot of diversity in diversifying our newsroom and
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broader representation greater reach to communities who are out of journalism but trying to figure going places without is a challenge. >> you the kind of person, i know you started these conversations very explicitly. a empower as a person of color and in the country we need more people like you to be in a position and not just because is have and ivy league to make it happen. they're talking around diversity and putting data and there. when you have the data makes it superpowerful and it cannot be ignored that's why some of the steps are so important in the
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american journalist association every summer they come up with a crazy piece, look at the lack of representation it's bounded and internship classes. i think the new yorker when the archives editor literally went through 40000 articles looking at the number of book reviews written by women, 32%. you need the data to draw the stark picture. journalists are the data needs to see the guide in the benchmark i think. when you just talk vaguely t abt diversity that needs to improve. what have you done lately we've
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had these conversations in 20 minutes. who is it, they're doing a survey every year. >> and>> young. >> in my quoting enough women. that needs to be and parcel of a practice of doing news work. >> i'm gonna pull in a related question, he said when it comes to the bottom of the w investigative reporting and community connection reporting how do we connect with unconnected such as indigenous people and those who are perhaps less connected which may not be great reporting in the community issue. how do i we connect with being connected and what is
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journalism's relationship, how can we use them better? >> currently i'm stuck with the platform with the critical infrastructure with communities and the problem so that. it's hard to know her places like illinois use traditionally understood to capture changing recommunities against covid. they can't keep up. not in the rural counties. when i think about it next-door. part one really thinking about a role of the platforms and they want these platforms to be a
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critical communication infrastructure and i got done working on for liberty in the marketplace and that wisconsin would the leaders so many more it's not as binary as it may
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seem a comes from being connected by what is being seen. you're not seen herself being represented. it's a really great question one we need to think more about with the local newspaper and it's a reminder of the fact that you cacan have a press in the place that the value are at odds, there is a lot of questions from an evangelical christian
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community there is a lot of questions how should we treat the press, their secular they don't share our religious values and i always wondered what to do that. there's an interesting question from adam who asks about journalism versus traditional written journalism. the more embedded in n the community do we understand the role that visual platforms can play and the journal.
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in journalism. they're pretty incredible and knowing things tax base journalism or documentaries can do. it's nice that the photojournalist because i'm not sure that's always the case it always depends on the journalist there's a story in the l.a. times which is journalist at the l.a. times writing about their experiences and the past of the los angeles times in a photojournalist refused because he was scared. he really, really depends and it's a great question we need to think more about.
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were on the golden age of dualism and every time i go online i'm astounded by a beautiful drawing and its visual information. the new york times industry and education in rural america and all the photos are in black and white. she's like that's a choice to. >> absolutely. >> i a would say one of the pleasures of platform like tiktok getting to totally different experience and around the world next to one another. and i don't know that we figured out what to do without power to link a bunch of different perspectives and to go beyond
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the platform and figure out who's not here and how do we create a window into their experience. we had a couple questions, lightning h round one from virginia to speak to the issue of salaries and journalism and how that contributes to bigger cities. >> you follow that track. it's not just journalism, see academy to make money work as a journalist it is really hard eaespecially starting out and in some of these big cities and the more precarious it is and maybe you can make it to cinema and they have a healthcare plan and
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where they choose to live. that's what we need to think about what role might unionization and transparency play. lijournalistic other institutios to bee accountable for their salaries but the washington post went through salaries with voluntary information all these questions that you saw would expect. they're super important and you mentioned the person next years making ten grand a month. >> i'm going to throw when one
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more who asks about the potential local journalism sustainability act are about the possibility of the government playing. what do you think i will volunteer. one of the interesting. i had a funny counterpoint to the local newspapers. the one. newspaper that i subscribe to which comes from my partner's hometown in minnesota. still somehow gets delivered in california. i don't how it gets delivered one of the things it's one of the implicit governments of a public notice that appears in the paper every week what do you think about the possibility that public government intervention
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to a different. >> one of the goals is to understand with an organization more competitive in the marketplace and to survive independently. sometimes the way through is using existing legislation and existing powers of the executive branch i think for me some of the ways of settling all that is breaking down the news chain that is being run by hedge funds and making terrible choices for local news. facebook and google and amazon. i think that's a first step for me quite frankly. after donaldld trump i am sour n
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the idea of active expansion of government for the news media. i'm glad there's believers out there. >> over the course of researching to think of as the healthiest ways of sustaining and supporting journalism we have three minutes until the top of the hour, this may be the last question. >> i think one of the things i try to double down on is is it a one-size-fits-all operation and particularly when it comes to local news with specific communities. maybe the important news producer aren't journalist at all. it might bee something else. really tapping into each place what does it look like to provide the news that people need to get on with their daily
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lives and went to professional journalistts offer that can be done by another organization. i'm trying to come up with a major in the ability of anyone community and local media. that is one way. and really convince with the money in politics to show democrat alternative to the right-wing local press. nobody wants to take me up. can we take donations and funnel them to the local media. republican 30 doing that in time. >> there is a line of coverage in the q&a points out public
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notices i shouldn't refer to them as such even though they are in some cases one of the big income streams that is popping up. there is a line of questions that thatus opens up and i wishe could keep talking longer because the book is fascinating and it was so interesting in the case studies and ideas from where we come from and where were headed and we can go on for hours talking aboutki it. i will encourage you to check it out news for the rich how to destroy american journalism on sale and in bookstores or online. >> thank you so much for this exchange and for the book. >> thank you for chatting with
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me about it. take care everyone. >> sunday december 5 on in-depth historian and conservative commentator victor david hanson joins us live with war, politics and citizenship in the united states his book titles include the father of us all, the case for trump and his latest dying citizen the idea of american citizenship and the ideals associated with it are disappearing. join in the conversation with your phone calls, facebook comments, text and tweets prepared victor davis hanson sunday december 5 at noon eastern on in-depth on booktv before the program visit c-span in your copy of his book. >> columbia university visiting scholar recently argued that
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conservative evangelicals do not uphold christian values. here is a portion of the program. >> i wrote the book out of sadness and outrage at what the even debacle christians are doing to the nation into the way with the namesake too so many to the detriment of so many and society and in fact some of their dialogue and rhetoric particularly at the port of a hateful former president who is caused so much pain and the society. that's why i wrote the book. i'm good to share a little from the log of the book to give you some sense of my outrage.
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how fiercely so many of america's evangelicals would brace the community affirming commandment to love your neighbor as yourself. so seriously it inspired them to actively organize an economic presentation . . . >> and answers by the very bible that every professional is why the answer is this, the games and come to what that john in the new testament called - and when they speak of the experiment of christ, i'm not
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talking about the national being, like the beast in the book of revelation, by the way never mentions an antichrist or a man of lawlessness as in the second thessalonians over the famine popular media left behind book series or movie psycho men in fact what i'm talking about, first john uses both antichrist and antichrist plural, so when i'm talking about is ideology of the announcement that the teachings of christ in the name of christ in us are interest of a particular individual. this was reflected by john in not from god spirit and this spirit of antichrist is as is motivating source of antichrist predict which the writer met those the people portrayed the nature of jesus and that's also the nature of mission in the world and first john writes
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candidly about loving others and in the spirituality of god and also says or offers several definitions and multi- and most significant is to beware of the false teaching any rights, i write these things to you considering those who will defeat. the primary is what has come to be called and the pharisee held that jesus was not a being of flesh and blood, instead, as he asserted, jesus was only seen it and in the greek to see and which was the conclusion of those who cannot accept the one thought to be delivered from worldly oppression is instead humiliating human death at the hands of the world predict and the crucifixion presented a challenge to the very foundation of of the christians faith becat
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was only jesus that was crucified and only saying that jesus himself had been crucified, they did not die in the cross for the sins of the world. and furthermore rejection of jesus and humanity were to prevail, there was the real danger that would mean that the minds of the christian faith, yet his letter reflects that those outside of the community of christ, the believers to attack the state and he realized that the real danger to the state, was misleading ideas spread by his fellow believers. as far as john was concerned, those recirculated notions of a foundational truth of the faith, even though among several sides were antichrist, the opponents of christ possessed by spirit of antichrist predict how i believe that like the writer first john in his day, rights under the rit
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wing evangelicals are also confused with the spirit of antichrist and has other kinds of heresies and one that dismisses cosmetic in the aspect of the gospel do not suit this agenda. >> for the rest of his discussion online, at and search for mr. hendrix name for the title of his book and, christians against christianity using the search box at the top of the page read. >> get cspan on the go, watch the day's biggest political events live, or on demand at any time anywhere on her new mobile video at cspan now, access talk highlights, and listen to cspan radio and podcasts all for free, download cspan now, today. >> and i would like to welcome parag


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