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>> good evening virtual audience and welcome and thank you for yjoining us tonight, my name is phil ricard on behalf of harvard bookstore, very pleased to introduce this event with sheryll cashin on in the book "white space, black hood" and opportunity and segregation in the aiden inequality the conversation by megan pretty. >> thank you for joining us tonight and virtual events like tonight harvard bookstore continues to offer the works to our community. every week will be hosting events here are and always our schedule is on a website at harvard .com/events you can sign up for e-mail newsletters and subscribe from home this evening's discussion will include questions and if you have a question and anytime printed talk tonight, for securing a button at the bottom of the screen will be to as many as time allows this event will also have captioning available depending on the version you're using, you may be an able to catch yourself. in the tackle be posting a link
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to the page on "white space, black hood" and donate and support our store and purchasing financial contributions and making is l like tonight availae and possible predict and thank you forut showing up in tinian n support of our authors and incredible staff at harvard bookstore pretty we appreciate your support now and always treated as you may have experied virtual gatherings of the past year, technical issues may arise if d they do will do our best to resolve them quickly and we thank you in advance for your patience and understanding as of now i'm simply to introduce tonight's speaker, sheryll cashs professor of law civil rights georgetownjustice at university, contributed editor political magazine and active research action council. law clerk is supreme court justice marshall as well as an advisor on community development and neighborhoods. including new york times and washington post, and the route
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and among people and many others in the author new york times book review editor. in the end of nominated place not race in the legacy award, and the threat to white supremacy. do not professor sheryll cashin will be joined by megan and nina university prevent study and professor of law, prostitution a lot harvard law in history harvard sciences pretty and megan is the author of the book ,courage, and the long history f the civil rights movement. in discussing professor sheryll cashin latest book, "white space, black hood" a white supremacy and racial dependency and wife in our cities many seniors called a brilliant and nuanced predict and it convinces the reader of the inequality of geography and economics and social inequality pretty we are so happy to have them out here
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tonight, so without further onto, the digital podium is yours megan and professor sheryll cashin printed. >> thank you so much hillary and thank you to harvard bookstore posting this talk pretty is my pleasure to be in conversation it with sheryll cashin who has written this great book and i want to f start off sheryll casn by asking you why you decided to write this book. >> it was about four years ago, maybe five years ago that i got a call from you asking me if i would like to give a lecture at my harvard law school i was flattered and flabbergasted at what i would say you know, is this institution where a lot of our former professors are still in the staff and it really forced me to think like, what would be worthy of the location.
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and i spent my career thinking about segregation it and was very inspired by michelle alexander's book, and jim crow in the way that she connected it to temporary mass incarceration through a prior antiblack institution of jim crow. i wanted to see from the iconic segregation black ghettos and black hoods. and because it just seemed like each time that we put to bed one back system we created another. supremacy still manifest in the structures change in the ideology around it changes that is one of the reasons are rather because i had to find something to say.
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but i had been uncompassionate in my entire life and about to this for my family, in alabama, about low income black people and how they. are in society and how they are treated not just by whites but even wealthier sort of like sometimes well, you get the point. i feel very. passionate. and some are trapped in these neighborhoods in the defendants of the recognition of the connection and the true descendents of slavery. and i, write an introduction i see them as love that i wrote this book to humanize them and to advocate for them. >> well sheryll cashin, your lecture was good in this book is
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really impressive, the total package. historical and legal analysis and you discuss the relevance of the scholarships and the work in some of the same areas and i know and it's really there. and going beyond that you combine story telling it and issues need it all into pages so in the interest of reallyes impressive book and i to congratulate you on the achievement rated. >> thank you so much, that means the world to me. >> for those of you have not had just read the book yet, give us a brief argument of what you make. >> of whats i am arguing is that racial inequality that you see in in society is best explained
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by understanding that we have assist, residential cast that produces it. we intentionally constructed a fluid like space in the iconic black hood. and one without the other, high opportunities, poverty free fashion, could exist iff we didn't concentrate poverty elsewhere and these two extremes are the most persistent kinds of neighborhoods that we have in fact the boundaries of affluent myspace and concentrated black part of the hardening in those neighborhoods are persisting. and there's a lot in between but when i argue is that everyone in
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american society who cannot buyo their way into affluent white spaces, which also happens in other areas as well. it's a very different deal when it comes to opportunity, people trapped in the mudd get the wort deal. ei'm saying the residential passes the chief explanation for the structural systemic racism that we have he had residential cast ten america is animated by three primary anti- black processes rated ground during maintenance, which is a a polite word for segregation, opportunity hoarding, overop investing, and affluent white space versus elsewhere andre stereotype driven surveillance.
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predatory policing and also private policing to the block parties. thus the argument of the book in a call for abolition and repair of the residential past. >> thank you and i want to end up on that discussion of abolition and want to ask you about some of your word choices. you use the word cast throughout the book, and i wonder what to you is this power of cast in the context. >> i say residential cast, a the very popular book by the same title and not talking about just social cast. but the word is powerful. it's more than just ray system, the people who are in highpe
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property neighborhoods are essentially trapped there, very few people are ableo to get out and that is a caste system and also caste is the degree of an attached to folks in the hood. this really massive stereotype, super predator thugs, welfare queens, ghetto, right and some of the words or worst series of blackness are incubated by an hood are based on a lot of ideas about what goes on there and often generated by people who have no intimate knowledge of black people so i think that caste is more powerful than just saying racist and for me caste,
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a trend structures and "residential caste system", that's nothing structural. the social distinctions that come naturally, become much more efficient when you overlay it with geography. those people over there aren't worthy of coming to live in myspace. people come up with reasons to justify the way they are and have chapters as you know about mythology. i probably ghetto mythology. santa many "residential caste system" is that high opportunity living and people trapped in low poverty areas, that's the direct result of individualde bad
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behavior and that raises a century of public policies that systemically created actually in seventh neighborhoods devoid of any real opportunity. >> i think it's an appropriate word and as you say, is powerful and against two the hobbit of the situation of being totally devoid of opportunity and trapped and a very powerful word choice and you also mentioned at the top you used the word descendents and you tell stories about the descendents in your chapter and can you say a bit about why this is a choice you look. your book.
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>> to me is honoring african-american legacy and the words used to describe black americans particularly the poor black americans are often it have negative connotations. the n-word or the ghetto or whatever, i just wanted to be to evoke the truth that you know, african-americans emancipated after the civil war, were overwhelmingly in the south. their descendents became great migrants nearly great migrants and many of them some of been enslaved but there descendents, lots of them were great migrants they go north and south to aescape jim crow. in the primary response to the black people in the large numbers wherever they landed, was to contain them and hyper
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segregated neighborhoods. and to disinvest in those neighborhoods, making them much worse than other places. and i guarantee you that folks who live in the hood, guarantee you that overwhelmingly, those folks are descendents of the enslaved. there's a direct continuum which i just described. >> is really important to talk about. a lot of people do make those connections. again, this is an appropriate term pretty. >> i want to finish the second half of your question. thank you foric noticing that, every chapter opens with an features a character issue and t
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try to get the picture and a lot of them i wanted to humanize my black people we are three-dimensional human beings. and people overcame, they inspired me. i have photographs of them and i tell their stories and i do it chronologically. so i make the connection because i have a chapter while ago from 1890 - straight through and do it really really fast we get to the contemporary art quite quickly. i really wrote this for black people particularly like americans and very affluent here and in this book of essays, she writes about how - first of all
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her whole career she sensors the black americans and she wrote that from her self to others and she did it while she was not trying to appeal too any other audience. so i wanted to write a book about what the truth is about whether people have been through. in one of her book in an essay, it jumped out at me that racial depression may never go away or change but we. can write about t and we can tell the truth. that is what i set out to do, to make it clear to myself and my people. all these forces are against us and they never seem to stop and the more than i learned from the more angry i was and i wanted to tell the truth about that. and i wanted it to be a bit of
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the bible frankly where you want to understand why it is, will hear, it is. >> can you tell us one of those stories. >> so many come to me but i am going to pick latino barnett. who is a descendent in the technical sense that she was a high poverty black neighborhood in washington dc and i interviewed her several times and went to her neighborhood. she lives in a very very pork neighborhood in maryland line. any get to know her because she was a client of a georgetown law
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health law clinic and to meet this moment, she is a dynamo, she is really an impressive person to me and she has a lot of knowledge and a lot of gumption and she actually had been middle-class and under and fortunate for herself and her omfamily homeless. and i her through the struggle to get stable housing. she was actually more functional than a lot of people around for this homeless shelter really took advantage of all of the services that the georgetown law services provided her. and i tried to show how much assistance that she needed and it took a lot because she was discriminated against and she got housing voucher and it's illegal to discriminate against
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incoming she had one of those rare hard to get opportunity vouchers. it was for hud. but for the georgetown law s students helping her through, she got a settlement and putting pressure on the housing authority in dc, which finally housing voucher coming only get like three months or something to get your placement. they finally got emergency assistance were they put her in the van and v they drove her the but she started out in a high opportunity they take it and then they backed out. so i just show the struggle and she is in a decent school, she is ten minutes away from where there is a lot of gun violence but this is a person who has book.n a and she has produced this while
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she has this movement of women who endured you know all kinds of things with a sort of had an monologue and they do a plan you know, she is a striver. i could go on but that is one example. >> the storytelling is compelling and is clear that to the audience that you have a lot of passion and expertise in the comes through so much in this work. >> did you have a favorite character am curious and doing things jump out at you. >> i was attracted to the concept is something that i try to do as well, to tell a story.
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although, i want to go back to something that you just said you mentioned you wanted this book to be like a bible and you said that you printed or the african-american community. one of the things that you talk about implicitly but also directly in the book, is the separation it between the descendent and the black middle class and certainly african black americans so let's talk about that. let's talk about the contrast between the progress of the o black middle class and it those who were trapped in the ghettos. what dilemmas does the black middle class say including affluent people in including black officials and control and
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black cities and tell us about the dilemmas and how you would recommend trying to resolve those dilemmas. first on the make it clear to the audience that ishe centered the african-american experience but i would welcome anybody reading it. but it definitely had african-americans in their experiences in mind when writing this. one of the points that i am making is pretty civil rights we had a system that was just based on race in the south particularly matter what your social or economic y status, you are in the system as well and how the civil rights and the good thing is there are people who were able to exit the hood
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back in the day when it was created, that data the black people live together but the fair housing act open up opportunities most people neighbors of the whatever color and in fact the economic segregation is growing fastest among african-americans and latin american people in the black and latino they are moving to higher grounds and does put a dilemma, james foreman, and speaks to this. democrats outnumber republicans by 12 - wanted in the city. in washington dc, this was the city overwhelmingly was run by black people. they pursued mass incarceration as well and i have heard words
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uttered about low income black people that are the same kind of stereotypes that non- black people participate in. in a society that concentrates advantage and disadvantage all people particularly and you know this, people who are parents feel pressure to get as close to the high opportunity as they can. i live this in washington dc so the dilemma as distancing yourself from concentrated proppant and poverty and by the way concentrated poverty is growing fast in the suburbs and in white areas as well but distancing yourself from it and disadvantage becomes necessary
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to thrive. so part of the descendents are worse off than they were before the civil rights revolution because they lost the proximity to our most successful black people. and they lost her social influence and they lost their tax dollars and is a lot of social distance now. i lived that myself an ipo my kids in public charter school for the first seven years each year, first grade - seventh grade in each year, the poverty rate grew higher in the last year they work and school, 66 percent of the kids run free or reduced lunch and i walked the walk is longsword for my kids but he began to not work so
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much. that is the dilemma. >> versus a dilemma that i am familiar with myself and i sense that this book really is you said, will help a whole lot of people understand the people who are not descendents and also grade to the mythology that affects everyone in this country. summa me ask you about might allies and people o of color and cahow they are implicated in the problem you identify, was stories that they are selling themselves about concentrated poverty. and these unique circumstances, unique to african-americans.
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>> everybody should care about "residential caste system"ly because actually it's only working for a very small fraction it those who live in a metropolitan area and only about 7 percent of the population can buy their way in to the highest opportunity places. and those places excluded the zoning and they often won't even have apartments let alone duplexes or quad plexus of the excluded non- rich people. what a lot of people don't realize is there subsidized by everybody who is excluded and they get golden infrastructure, taxes and in the get more than fit their fair share of revenues raised through income taxes in terms, of like what the state decided to invest for
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development. and so this whole system it is destroying opportunity for almost everyone whether you live in a city, or a non- rich suburban, there a lot of suburbs out there or a rural area, the americans no longer and land of opportunity for you. and we have politics, cut taxes, cut taxes, biden ista trying to change that but we have politics that has historically aligned the people trapped in the worst hoods but that is masking the system up the structures opportunityth. it would have this extreme part
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of this gerrymandering so you should care and even to the afflicted person, who lives on the high ground, i mean, i live in a neighborhood that i have to admit, it's pretty affluent pretty is not the most affluent in washington dc but it is a neighborhood of progressive and kind of people who have a lot of black lives matter signs and we believe in science and if i suspect you live in a neighborhood like that as well. >> yes, i don't think that my neighbors would call my black sons in a like situation i would like to believe that but so many people and we saw this with the social protest after george floyd, execution. so many people i think are hungry for something better than
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toxic decisions fear, society based on fear separation and everybody, it has cost them so much and if we followed, the abolition prepare, it would be a lot nicer in the neighborhoods unless scary people and you would have more opportunitye to return to help these institutions and a lot of high income people - the hyper affluent are always going to be in their own universes but you know, two-parent p professionals feel the need to buy the most expensive house they can afford even to get into a good school or there's been a lot of tax dollars for privateta schools. and you basically getet to the opportunity that is stable and
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good. in a society that was not based on "residential caste system" that had an attitude of care rather than predation vertically for the descendents, and not fear and i think that opportunity would be more widely distributed for everyone. >> that is a great great answer and insight and persuasive to your readers i hope and i'm going to turn to the audience questions in just a moment and ask your audience to please post your questions. and i can ask sheryll cashin about what is on your mind but for someone to turn to sheryll cashin, the question what to do about all of this. there's a chapter title abolition and care i wonder if you could share what is in the
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chapter and what is your vision of what needs to be done to dismantle and have "residential caste system". >> i want to start off that my starting point was, not the first person to talk about this about abolition in creating abolition democracy so much and so my vision really came from then is the language they use, you use the word abolition, you're talking about transformation in another talking about modest reform but the beauty of understanding "residential caste system", once you understanding the processes in a way forward is, your reversing - so the first thing that i say is that we need to change the relationship with the state from punitive to the
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caring and change the lands in which we see them. dare i say love but once you see descendents three dimensional human beings who are capable of agency and potential assets, it frees you up to focus on and identify evidence-based policies that actually might be cheaper than what we are doing to basically mass incarceration and over policing and more effective. first you gotta change the lense but then we also need to reverse the processes so the inclusion rather than exclusion and the boundary and make it mandatory for illusionary zoning, and afforded under mandatory affordable housing for all neighborhoods. greenlining rather than
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redlining and historically in the black neighborhoods of the very neighborhoods that were redlined andds cut off in the 30s from, cut off from traditional mortgages and investments to this day, our disinvestment. and they are distressed. so they should be first in line for the infrastructure dollars and should be first in line at the community investments and development dollars. their studies in chicago that chicago spent three times more money in white neighborhoods and black neighborhoods in his development process and that is not right. so having it neighborhood analysis racial equity analysis and pay attention to where the money goes and prioritize and
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with the unfair allocation and then 30, and this is what is been in the news a much. i don't propose have all of the answer but we must transform policing from predatory - to humane and i offer examples of innovative programs that reduce gun violence dramatically just by focusing on theseyo young people, relatively small number ofmb young people, enter to, thy might actually be likely to fall thee trigger. and they've not yet been prosecuted, having services surrounded them and giving them a loving mentor and giving them a life plan. just like richmond, california, that dramatically reduces gun violence, much cheaper than incarceration and give some helpful examples in the book of
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places that are doing transformative things. there are things that we can do. >> we have a number of good questions, let me ask one. what you see as a first step that the cities and states and entities with power can take to begin dissolving it this "residential caste system" in the u.s. >> will the first is it sounds very self-serving, i really do think that would help throughbu the book, let's really understand how systemic this is an identify all of the systems that are aesthetic in the black neighborhoods. i really do believe that the first step is intentionally changing your lense to thinking of people as human beings and
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potential assets rather than deficits. so that is a first but also, and neighborhood analysis at the local level. you should put into your budgeting process it, baltimore seattle where you regularly annually this is a look at where the dollars have been spent and intentionally tried to achieve racial equity in this what joe biden, i was inspired within hours of being inaugurated joe biden signed an executive order calling for a racial equity exercise can put susan rice in
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charge, and basically said that we are going to start paying attention to our spending the assistance, some of 20 paying attention to this then intently trying to disrupt a process that if we do nothing, when tends to happen is appointed people who get more than their fair share in the region. sabrina works about that. there's so many dimensions the boys and angela davis talk about abolition is much about building up as it is about tearing down and that you needed to repair democracy as you go. we did grow the multiracial coalitions that have black lives
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matter and sustain the o coalitions and you have peoplt show up at the zoning needing to say that i stand for affordable housing everywhere. who will fight for the integrated schools pretty is a multipronged thing and there's no silver bullet. >> your discussion remind me of the beloved community that people have discussed and i think that is quite resonant with what you're saying about starting with love. so there are questions about examples of locations, cities, and made real progress in your mention richmond, california pretty can you give us other examples of cities that have
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taken the kind of stuff that you think that are important. >> you might be surprised, louisville, kentucky, which i think you're quite a bit on the chapter in schools, is a very segregated if in his neighborhoods and segregated units schools. about 90 percent of the students within the schools were black in the city and 90 percent it worldwide in the outlying areas. over a 20 year period, through a series of actions, the louisville, metro area became much more integrated and build a constituency of people who volunteered, parents were involved. he they had the majority of the politics in which the majority of people wanted integration when they, after they got out,
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school segregation, they continued their school integration it in the consolidated with the government in the counties and cities and residential segregation went down a lot in that area and went from being a hyper segregated metro area to just being moderately segregated, that is success. and they done a lot of education around what happened in the 30s and why it is a black neighbors on the west end are the way they are and why they need more resources. so despite so much lately that the cities associated with breanna taylor's death, and they have miles to go. they went from being hyper segregated to less and they have a pretty darn good job with
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creating and maintaining integrated schools, much better than a lot of other places. a lot of other places in the south, the whitete areas of tryg to - from the school district. >> sheryll cashin, only go back to the conversation about essentially athletic blacks and being a part of it. asking about how individuals can rectify the disconnect of identifying as a member and of trying to strive for evolution of the institutions and structural barriers that allow some people to thrive, both black and white. and what we try to do.
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>> seriously, i'm guilty of it even though, while i live in one of the two integrated neighborhoods in the district. it's been like a 50 year tradition of black professionals living in with the whites and the jews and i am in one of them. now i am in crestwood. i chose the integration. in this neighborhood i am and is not economically integrated this apartment here'ss my point. there is more appetite for integrated spaces, then there ared schools in the neighborhos to fulfill that appetite. because of our policies.
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so i'm saying yes to dissonance but while you're living your life, your legs your time and your treasures to organizations that are trying to make life better and you can vote for and support policies that will make life better even if you yourself are not in close proximity to people who are really struggling. >> and there's a question that is asking about your writing process and asking about what it was like working with your editors and the most interesting part of the question is what did you leave out the final publication and can youab talk about that. >> will writing, it is both a joy for me and volatile struggle well, i have never had writers block and never really understoods that.
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i enjoy the craft of writing and i go to bed every night reading good writing and iod love literature. for me this is my fifth book in my process is, when i have an idea, i had a big deal with the deadline. i cannot write in less i have a deadline and if i have a deadline i'm very focused and for me and my friend his word count in a right, when i have the research done and i am ready to write. i map it out in a cynical and when i was young and not young anymore, i'm not going to tell you my though. [laughter] but when i wast ng younger, i wd try to bang out so many words today but i can do that anymore but as i was writing this i would say, 500 words a day and sundays if i50 was just not feeling it, i would accomplish
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300 words a day something easy, and what you start, just getting up and doing it. the film and documentary about my heroin, she said that she would get up at 5:00 a.m. and i would get up at 6:00 a.m. or 7:00 a.m., when the house was quiet and hard to get my 500 words done pretty and if you just that you're going to do a certain number of words you just commit to that, you know in today's, you have 5000 t words. the map helps the most to god, 15000 words, most books5, these days, are like 80 to 100,000 a lot of them do not want you to get too long. and what was left out in this book, while in this book, nothing.
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i spent a lot of time thinking about it and i really did in his book, there was stuff cut and others. >> bodes very well structured as a model in so many ways i'm not surprised to hear you say that you did not leave anything out and you really didn't read and is really powerful powerfully done away & he wants to know how the bronx is doing in terms of these issues. >> i can't speak to the bronx, have not been there. and i don't have any specifics to offer another bronx is not with the bronx was, way back in the day. there's been an extraordinary amount of redevelopment. you know since reagan, he was
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the south bronx. i wish i can speak to it but firsthand knowledge and i will say, to the previous question, i have a degree in electrical engineering and also i have a law degree and i definitely will you said that you're talkingt about how powerful it is and laid out, it is the engineer in me the buildings the argument in each chapter builds on the other in the next one builds on the other so it's sort of melds the passion of history with just the sort of scientific system. >> i definitely can see it. there is a question about whether your book is a dialogue with profit and how the real estate industry underlines that black homeownership and do you know that her keys be counted
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predict. >> absolutely and i'm excited in the chapter on opportunity and recommended that book to you and it's talking how much, whatever black wealth we had in housing has been taken, stolen from black people. through predatory lending, installment contracts which have resurfaced. and there was a case for reparation how black people were created on installment contracts in the 60s, were sucking my house on lay awake and you don't get any equity until you make the very last payment, private equity firms, after the foreclosure in the year 2008, 2010, prayed in the very neighborhoods that suffer the most in the foreclosures prices
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because they were crying on with predatory loans, subprime loans. in the going in there and are snapping up foreclosed houses like they might pay $5000 ford then turned around, and sell it for $30000 with installment contracts which is designed to fail. they want the installments to miss one payment and they want them to fail w and then what are they do, they turn it up and they give it to another person. so there transferring hard earned dollars from essential workers to tighten. and entered the part from the book and it is you know it just makes me angry. they cannot land the descendents cannot win, even when they are trying to win. >> so sheryll cashin, let me go
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back to the bronx, is the majority latino and the question is what the key differences are between the black experience in the latino experience and of course some people are both. >> the key difference is that black people, i told you the story about the great margaret, before like the 1990s, i would say, let's say 1980. black people were the only population singled out for hyper segregation. ...
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and all of them were places where the great migrants ended up in large numbers, right? so segregation has been a defining feature of the african-american experience and a continued to have consequences to this day, right? ta-nehisi coates writes about this in the case for reparation, a piece in the atlantic magazine. an african-american making $100,000 tends to live in the neighborhood with the amenities of what white making $40,000 gets, right? but as the latinx, , hispanic population growth immigration there are like areas in new york and l.a. where some hispanics
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segregated. it's not the defining feature. the defining feature of oppression for latino people i would say is sort of anti-immigrant redeker, erasing them -- rhetoric. what donald trump said about mexicans. and i say this both in the beginning, the introduction to this book and in the conclusion, i say i want to make it clear i'm not saying that other groups have not c experienced oppressi. i'm not saying they don't experience it now. i'm writing about residential cast and residential cast was constructedsi based on anti-blak animus that continues. >> so it's unique but that's not to say other groups haven't suffered a continued to suffer. >> right.
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i make that clear. >> yes, you do. so it's time for the last question, and it is a question about asking if you have any hope. things seem so bad sometimes, seems like there's no way forward. what keeps you going? this question wants to know. >> hope is a choice, right? you know, we are in tough, tough times. overlay pandemic with this, you know, residential cast, the reason why there's disproportionate death in black and latinx neighborhoods, lower opportunity, pre-existing conditions spirit we didn't talk about this but residential caste causes health disparities, right? optimism is a choice. my feeling is the forces of darkness in this country, and there's a lot of forces of darkness,of once you are depresd
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you will try to get up and fight for anything different, right? we talked about some transcending scenarios, choices some localities and places are making for something different, right? we have to have hope and we have to keep trying, because if we give up and don't try, we will just get more of the same. >> well, i think the chapter when you talked about abolition is very helpful, and thank you. thank you again for writing the book and i'm going to send it back over to hillary at the harvard book store. >> thank you so much for doing this. >> my pleasure. >> thank you both actually. this is really wonderful, thank you to our audience out there
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