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activists inn 20,000 sentinels who are fighting every single day for our freedoms at the local, state and national level. this is really why we were so interested in our guests new book which outlines the fight that all americans currently face in opposing the biden regime. the book highlights a bold grassroots agenda for defending america, securing our freedoms and ensuring policy leaders put america first. sean spicer is a man, you are probably don't need an introduction, you are here, you know him that we really got to know him i think for the first time at the first press secretary to president trump. but as you all unsure can attest you fell in love with him on his escapades at "dancing with the stars." today sean is very busy hosting a new show on newsmax deedee called spicer and coa between his daily press advising, talking with the president working with activists across the country he has found time to
pen this new fantastic book which were going to discuss today. the book is called "radical nation: joe biden and kamala harris's dangerous plan for america." please join me in welcoming sean spicer. [applause] sean spicer. [applause] so this is heritage. >> it looks beautiful it's a beautiful day in washington and we're glad to have this conversation . this is an absolutely fantastic and timely book. i had the pleasure of being able to read it and i have a sneak copy before us here today and all you get to take home a copy as well though i want to start there with your thinking into the book. obviously you've written a few booksbefore, this is your third . and this is well timed with everything that we're seeing in washington, the biden regime and it's a very
dangerouslegislative agenda so what led you to write this book. what was your thinking behind it . >> right after it was clear joe biden was going to become president in january, two manic switches the publishing division knew we needed a book out right away and we were in a unique experience because of our past position at the white house to do this we said if we can do it quick we can take a look at these people and what do you think is important that people need to know? at the time i said we will look at the people filling these key positions and the policies they're talking about pursuing and the idea is it could franklybe a warning . when you write a book you sometimes don't know the environment that's going to take place when it publishes. i think god was like here you go because this is a clear landing strip. so much of what i write about is literally happening right
now is voting rights, the economy, or in policy. so many of the things we were looking at in terms of the people that were going to be managing this administration. policies in those areas for the policies themselves needed to get written about because i don't think ... and this isn't an insult on the american people but there's two chapters on the media and what is happening right now is if you wake up any morning and watch the today show and read the washington post it's like have you ever seen the lego movie ? everything is great . and they call afghanistan a success and people said the other day the economy is a huge success. if you don't know any difference, if that's where you're getting your news from and you're going to work or dropping the kids off your living your life your life okay. you don't realize there is actually this entire plan taking place in front of our
eyes that is changing the fabric and structure of our economy and the best part is you can go sean, your partisan, that's what you think. one, joe biden told us he was going to be the most progressive president ever. three fridays ago today he said we passed 1.2 and 3.5 pieces of legislation we will transform the structure and nature of the economy . his words. who asked for that western mark i don't remember that coming out during the campaign. the structure and nature of our economy, what's wrong with it? i didn't realize we had a huge problem but we need to understand that's what's going on and if we don't wake up and i hate to say this because i think a lot of folks on the right talk about the fact that biden is not in charge and he's not doing this but we're minimizing the problem.the problem is whoever's in charge, i don't
care but they're going in the direction i don't want to go and i don't think people realize once we had there that once governments as its tentacles and things it never lets go . >> you talk about this a lot in the book and you dig deep into how biden basically became who he is and a lot of the advice he's taken and i want to read a part of this. you're referencing i think an incredibly pivotal moment in the biden administration at the beginning. you got together with these liberal historians and youput everybody in the room. there were no conservatives there, not that we aren't available . but he didn't invite them so you write and i'm going to read this for everybody . according to the reports go biden seems to be taking his place in history and that's why he seemshell-bent on accomplishing big things in a hurry . michael broke the story about the meeting called the discussion about how big is to be and how fast is too fast to jam through a
once-in-a-lifetime historic change to america? this meeting outline for the history books marker of the big go big mentality that pervades the state. historians told biden what you wanted to hear. forget bipartisanship and playing by the rules. now is the time to bold and anything that stands inyour way including such bipartisan niceties as the filibuster . he would go on to say that historians lean in, they say go big and nothings tying this together.they confirm joe biden urging him to spend big and expand the power of government beyond what we saw with fdr. and joe biden loves the growing narrative that he's bolder and bigger thinking that sbr and president obama. >> exactly. but think about it.
everything that he says he gets it. time is limited and i think they get this unlike a lot of previous administrations. they have a window and they know that you have to get as much done as quick as possible. last night he was asked you consider removing the filibuster for certain things and he said yes for voting rights and potentially for other things. he gets it. at some point they're just going to do it especially if they realize they're going to lose the house which they will and the few weeks leading up to it is going to be a flurry. they're going to get as much done as possible. i will give him credit as a politician for that. he understands he has to cement his legacy. fdr isstill fdr. he went big and bold and we have all these government programs because of it . the only way you become the talking point in the future is if people start going do
you know what biden did? he's got to get all this stuff done. 1.2 trillion, 3.5 trillion, he gets it. he wants people to be talking about him ad infinitum as remember what biden did and replace the talk of the new deal with remember when biden passed build back better? that's going to be the new talking point on the left and if he gets the fact that barack obama may have been the first black president but he will be the most progressive president and he wants to cement that. i don't think it's alarmist to suggest that at his age he is probably a one term president. and i think he recognizes that and anybody with eyes and ears and a pulse gets that. he's going to do as much as he can as quickly as he can. >> the impact of this will be profound. >> absolutely. i think one of the things that i like to say is you have to understand what i call the big y?
why are they doing all ofthis ? the thing is it in isolation you can explain one or two things and say it's because of this or that. and it's not. they all tied together. everything is about maintaining permanent political power . if you have power and its permanent then you can continue to pass your policies in that item. what do you need to do? one is you need to maintain power in those key areas so you pack the court, too, you make dc a state in puerto rico a state so you get potentially forpermanent democratic senators . dc votes 5 to 95 on a goodday for democrats . it's a given. you will have to democrats and considering the history of the senate it would be hard to start overcoming not just to but for so that gives
you that. guaranteed you never lose a super majority and what do you also do? you need new voters so you let people come in through the southern voter and make them eligible for citizenship . do things like they're doing in vermont where you are now allowing noncitizens to vote in local elections and give them driver's licenses so if you have a drivers license and you can folk who is going to check to make sure you can't vote in a federal election? no one so you ensure that you're always going to have the votes and you've always got the institutions in control. . >> we've seen that with $5.5 trillion reconciliation infrastructure package that would affect all of the policies that you warned about in this book entitled the grave. there's a process agenda with the filibuster. additional states. there's a political agenda of course, they want to continue towin elections .
but there's also the cancel agenda and you talk about this in your book . agenda to cancel conservatives in every aspect of life. in the media, they're going after newsmax. in the mainstream press they're going after families and parents now because they're standing up against critical race theory. what's the deal with cancel culture and this cancel agenda. >> it's time to the first two things. liberals are afraid of conservatives because our agenda and our policies make sense . and the second that you expose that, they win. they win and we lose so what do we do? they have to cancel us, they don't want your voice is heard so they call you a misogynist . anytime that you challenge anything you're a bad person. and igot to be honest as someone who's got with my fair share.it doesn't feel
great . and it takes a pretty thick skin. i'll give you a sillyexample. i was out with a bunch of guys couple of weeks ago . and they were telling me this story out in last county virginia where a bunch of parents were getting involved in their school . and one of the women works at verizon. so she was arguing against a lot of the changes that they were making saying she didn't think that they made sense or whatever so what do they do? they called verizon, they called hr and said you're a publicly traded company and we want to let you know this woman has been engaged in racist behavior and you know, should that come up in the workforce we just want to make sure you documented it. that she's been doing this in her private life. her racist actions were speaking out about changes to the that the school board wanted to make what they want to make sure it was documented in hr because you know, so what do you think hr does? i never, maybe i should call
her boss. see what's going on immediately, what's the reaction? i'm going to stop talking about this, i'm not going to back down, once people in front of their house who and who want their number listed online. they cancel you. they shame you. if you speak out against it and it takes a lot, i get it. i wouldn't want that for my family or friends. i know my family, i wouldn't wish it on anybody. but they get the game which is i'm going to silence you, shut you up and then again, you can't get the facts out, you canpresent an alternative . you brought it up, they're trying to get iris a letter to at&t, verizon and all of these cable carriers and said slain when you're carrying newsmax . what? what do you mean explain. first of all because we have to, viewers, thank you. we, what's going on in
america where if you offer an alternative view, you can have msnbc on but no one cares west and it's amazing to me but that's the idea is to getrid of any dissenting voices . and i say this in an audience that's particularly young today, it's not easy but you've got to do it because if you don't fight back and get your voice out there, they win. and i don't want to jump ahead but there's a chapter in the book that deals with this about how to get involved and understand and fight back and they make it difficult for folks to do it but i believe and i digress but in every argument, if you dissected, we win, they lose so they're afraid of the facts and the logic behind conservative principles and ideas. >> they refuse to debate us on the facts.
>> so what they say is you support trump. it's allabout style. how can you support this? what about the facts, what about the policy ? i want to give you my favorite example in the book and obviously i'm accessed with this because it's easy. the framers decided the district of columbia where we are now should be separate. they didn't want to see the government in any state so in 1790 apart from virginia and created a 10 square mile district which we are in right now and in 1835 they gave back part of virginia to virginia because it wasn't being used and i happen to live there now. so the democrats come along and say district of columbia should be a state. we should allow people to vote. i'm for voting rights. that sounds great but let me think of a different solution. why don't we give back part of maryland to maryland if it's not being used? because it's already a state and access. there areagainst that . why?
why wouldn't you just give back to maryland which is maryland which by the way is the same thing we did to virginia and you keep this enclave from about here to the white house, carved that out with afederal district . thatseems to make the most sense but again what's the real motive ? it's about getting two senators and if we don't scratch the surface of the arguments we miss the real motive at hand . >> it's amazing the way the left works because they almost convince you. we've been talking about that that imperative action. they almost convince you it's sad telling you it's water and that's a huge problem for generations, younger than me that doesn't even know what freedom is. we're all here as conservatives talking about preserving freedom and protecting your freedom for people that are in their 20s,
those that are just getting their first job, graduating from college, coming out of the pandemic by eight-year-old son being forced to wear a mask in school. this is the world he knows. this is what he knows so what advice do you have for us to think through how do we first define freedom. the next generation and in an effort to protect it to even get to the role of preserving it and having it down through generations to generations. >> the first thing is to kind of talk about what your delving into which is to explain that having a free exchange of ideas is what the country is all about. it's ironic that the left, the group that talks about themselves being the tolerance inclusive group is the least tolerant . i don't have a problem with msnbc. i have a problem with rachel maddow, i think that's awesome. i love the idea there's dissenting voices. i love to flip the channel. there. much of it is the same with my family but i think that's
healthy. i it makes me a stronger conservative when i can listen to what they sayso i think the easiest thing is to go back to logic andfacts . why should we hear both sides ? i think you should hear crazy people as you go okay, that is crazy. now i know why were doing what we're doing but you should realize that there's dissenting opinion that there are a spectrum of opinions. that's what makes this debate healthy. we should encourageit . especially at college campuses. the funny part about college that's one of the reasons you're there is to get exposed to ideas and different views and yet it's like no, here is what we will listen tocomrades ? i think what i would say is that you push people to say no, but that was in let's talk about it and then secondly i think it's a get involved. understand that the tools there whether it's inherited inherited action, i grew up in the 90s when campaigns were like the heritage issue. it was my bible because it
had facts and figures in it and it's all available online now. so when you want to talk about healthcare and tax policy you can debate with facts because the left wants to talk about theories and feelings. i want to talk about facts. what's going to make yourlife better ? it's going to make your business grow, all that kind of stuff and if we make fact-based wewin more . >> the book spends a lot of time presidential warning about what is to come and one of the things worth about is our american institutions being westernized against us and in particular all out assault on all us, average americans and particularly parents and one of the unique phenomenons that have happened around the country as a grassroots organization we been able to be on the road to watch isall of these parents coming out of the woodwork getting involved , having the facts, going to the microphone and being brave enough tostand up .
all those things parents may not have been conservative voters before. probably not. they may be new to the full so what can we do to bridge the gap right now between where we want to go with a conservative america first policy agenda and channeling that energy is so palpable for parents right now? >> one of the beauties is that we have more tools than ever before. when i was growing up we had newspapers and you can write letters to the editor ineight days, maybe one would get through but that was it .>> does anybody know what newspapers are anymore? i have a bunch of newspapers and my kids go where do those come from? there can. but i think one of the things that you have the ability, but i love just tweeting out literally on facts of the day or something. i think will. there are videos and whether
it's tick-tock or snapshots. there's so many tools at your disposal now to get involved and just lay back south and issues in a way that is not necessarily confrontational but like i was walking down pennsylvania avenue this morning on the house side. there's a big thing from the petersons to about the national debt and i started tweeting out the national debt now is $28 trillion . every single american owes $89,000 now. so i was like that would be just a fact. once you realize that, when you talk about this sending this is before wespend another $5 trillion you although 90 grams . every person. and one when interest rates go back up which they will support the fact we're going to be screwed because i think explaining to people what is going on it just again we don't have to persuade in the same way that they do because we can just say you realize
you own this much money you're going to open another 5 trillion, what are you getting for it. i'm really interested in watching this town hall with fiberglass night . no guilt. how many times did he say that? with the no joke. my dad used to say joy, no joke but he's sitting there so i gather all of the big companies and i saidstart operating 24 seven . they will come to work right now for eighthours if you want them to work 24 seven . first the first eight hours under control and worry about the other 16. the problem is everyone's like that's a great idea. they can't get people to work for eight hours a day there answer is to make them work 24. two additional ships. hello. we don't have for drivers because they're getting paid to stay at home.we're not getting people to make goods to ship them, go to a restaurant now or anything anywhere. they got science .and their
answers are to make people work more. today? but it defies common sense. and i think that's the beauty of what we have going right now. if we can walk up to somebody and say let me get this straight. the administration solution is to tell people who are working to work more. i had d in economics and i know that's bad. >> what does president from the book? >> if you flip it, he endorsed it right on the back . he said it's an ata all the way and i appreciate that. i would sayand honey , this is meant to complement in case the president is listening. give the president a lot of credit for what he did in his office and i've got to be honest, for one thing, did more thananything else was bring common sense . i told a bunch of stories and
i remember one day were sitting in the roosevelt room right after he was trying to do this executive order on the keystone xl pipeline and he stops in the middle and says hey jessica, going to use us steel for this and he just stops. what do you mean, we're doing all this and not using us steel? stop, we're not doing this until you guys renew this thing because were going to make sure we use us steel. why are we doing all this stuff and not making sure we use us products? there are some challenges in doing that and he understood. we work through, source material that we had but the point is it took common sense to say why are we making america? i was a trade partner under bush for the last three years and we were told unfortunately nafta as a sign trade agreement and we have to enforce so there's nothing we can do.
okay. try came in and said i don't care. it's abad deal for our workers . why are wisconsin dairy farmers getting screwed? what is our technological development getting screwed? we're going to tear it up and redo it and everyone says you can't do that, that's not how it's supposed to work and he saidi don't care . why would we have done that? why were we in a deal with our trading partners to the north and south on a deal that screwed our own workers. in 1990 it was a different world, i get why notmodernize it . and he had yet the mentality on in washington is >> why are we letting china walk all over us? why do we let them walk over us? part of this we need more common sense brought to the debate and that's what i think more than anything when i talked to him about it, he recognized and appreciated it,
we need to get back to understanding what worked and what didn't. and the problem, frankly with the last election, beyond all the irregularirregularities, it style versus substance. a democrat voting for biden or a disaffected republican. tweets don't hurt you, snowflake. tweets don't hurt you, they don't make you better, but we're seeing the consequences of that, too. >> and trump taught us out to fight. >> and that's the thing, the country is worth saving, if you don't fight, they win. so, you know, it's worth it on so many levels and if i can, it was funny, a couple of weeks ago, i think it was two or three maybe now, i got an e-mail on a wednesday morning, it said trump in 2019 had
appointed me to the three-year term from the board. >> thank you for your service, president biden would like your resignation or you'll be terminated and i wrote back, no, period. and then we sued him. and it's not easy, but there's 11 people that were on the board of west point, the naval academy and air force academy, and two of us, myself and the office advisor to president trump and put our name on a lawsuit. it's not great going up against -- but it's the right thing to do. my term ends in a month. i might have been to one more meeting. but it's important to set the precedent and the easy thing to say is it's a bummer. the hard thing is to say i'm willing to put my name on lawsuit and sue the president of the united states.
it's not about me, it's whether or not a future president can do this and i think if we're willing to go out there and say that we believe that what makes this country is great is worth fighting for, then each little way go for, do it, be a parent at a school board meeting. engage, be on-line, put facts up there. it's our country to save and to fight for. >> there's a lot we could fight on right now. we will be fighting. the fight to make it easier to vote, harder to cheat. the integrity issue is front of center across the country. use it had to smear every one of us who wants a safe and secure election and school board and parents demanding civility in our schools and not an i -- not allow them to be indoctrinated and we have this
behemoth coming, what's next for conservatives? >> it's an interesting question because here is how i would answer this. i believe if republicans get out of their own way they'll win back the house of representatives. the question is, will they lead. what will they fight for? being in power for the sake of being in power is not worth fighting for. i mean, that's great, i'm sure you get a better driver and more stationary, things like that, but at the end of the day there's a lot worth fighting for that you mentioned. and i think that the republican leaders need to say if you give us the honor and opportunity to lead again, we will fight for you, we will fight for this country, we'll fight for the values. it's not easy, but i tell you, there's so much going on in government. why are we not looking and finding-- there should be more value of our tax dollar. how much money is wasted? why are we allowing to have--
the stop and stay, has any smart read what's in the 3.5 trillion dollar bill? that should be the question. we're spending this money and do you know what's in it? >> first off, they haven't. >> they started to negotiate the price tag, tell us what number you can live in. no, no, what do you want first and then tell me how much it costs? not how much are you willing to blow of our future generation's money and what's getting lost in this, do you know who is financing it? china. think about this, we just went through a pandemic that they sent us, and then we turned around and said can we buy our ppe and our drugs from you? that's literally like going to the guy who robbed your house and saying can you give me a loan with my money? it's crazy and yet, there's nothing being done about it. we should have used this opportunity to look in and say what can we do? pete buttigieg the other day when he called this economy a suck's and maybe it's an
opportunity for a lot of u.s. companies to think about coming back at the same time they're raising the corporate tax, really? do you think that's what they're going to do? i'm getting screwed, you're costing me more money, i should come home. again, it defies logic. >> you've spent a lot of time here outlining everything we have to fight on. we've talked about it and danced around the things we need to do, it's clear and you're incredibly passionate about it. we have to show up. we have to be there, we have to be the man in the arena, show up, the facts on our side. what if we get canceled? what about the senator in georgia lost his job launching the integrity bill in georgia? what did you do, what's next? >> the easy thing is to give up. the hard thing is to stay in the arena that you just mentioned, but if you look, generally speaking, i think the people who stay in the arena and fight eventually win. it may not be easy, it may not
be quick. i think we live in a society that wants instant gratification and wants to look at your tweets and say how many retweets and likes do i get on instagram? sometimes it's a while and a video you put up, 15 views and three days later 100. some things take a while to percolate, but be willing to stay in the arena to engage. when they cancel you, as i said over and over again, they win when you give up. so stay in and go to a different platform. there's a million out there. trump just announced his own platform, there's parler, and they're-- the late night hollywood, tech shows, and what happens in the '90s it was the advent of talk radio, how do we come around that? and then they took over big tech and suddenly, republicans
and conservatives start saying we can use twitter and what did they do started canceling. so our team has gone out to build new platforms. we need to migrate. we launched news max, my show a year and a half ago, there were probably more people in this room than watched the first episodes and now hundreds of thousands a night and beat cnn, a few of their shows. we don't do a ton of advertising, and say hey, i like the network and i like your show. that's because there are alternatives and they're losing their grip. and that's what's-- they don't want you to see anything, but what they show you. but i'm a big believer in whether it's news max, the blaze, heritage, all of these, we need to support the big team and get out there and share stuff, encourage other people to get involved, but it is part of our duty as americans to be in this arena.
>> and america is worth fighting for, push back against this potentially radical nation. >> and one more question, the picture, my gosh if there was an image the last year and a half. talk to me about deciding this picture, why you chose it, what it means for the cover. >> so we went back and forth on a lot of different designs and it's like anything else when you find the right way and this is my third book, the first two just had me on it, but even then, you go through and what's the image you want to convey and when we saw that, that's it. and it just, it spoke to us because that's everything that's there, it's the hypocrisy, it's the double standards, it's freedom, everything, you know. >> it's right there. >> looking over his shoulder, looking out kind of like are you-- >> how are you feeling today,
sir. >> how are you feeling. yesterday we covered this last night she walked into her own birthday party and yelled surprise. she can't do a birthday right. >> you wonder why the rest of it is screwed up. if you can't do a birthday surprise right, you're in trouble. >> sean, thank you. thank you to sean spicer. >> thank you to heritage and heritage action. fabulous. mra uz . [applause] >> radical nation, and we have free copies sean was kind enough to sign and refreshments, and thank you to sean for leading the fight for america. sean spicer. >> thank you all for being here. thank you. [applause] ♪♪ >> weekends on c-span2 are an
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