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received before january 20th, 2022 and for competition rules are just had to get started, visit our website is student cam .org. >> good evening everybody, i am tethe author of the woman silend and also i am kate moore and i am delighted to be here tonight. i'll be talking to you about the women they cannot silence and i am so excited to introduce you to these women it in her name was elizabeth packard, so i expect the of you have never heard her name before because i'd often women to stand up for themselves and particularly have chosen toas commemorate those wo tried but failed and were silenced elizabeth. she is for haps resilient woman i have ever heard of inner story
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is extraordinary. and she has long dark brown hair, olive shaped eyes and nose and strong as her principles and she was 5-foot 1 inch tall and are short stature is not evidence of the power of her which was absolutely - and elizabeth, and our salvation tells about the one thing and one thing only, elizabeth has a mind of her own. what i will be doing this evening and talking to you about her story is to start a moment with a reading from the book in one of the talk about elizabeth for the history of this book and also my research process and that there will be a chance to have both in the chapter as well pretty and elizabeth story on
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the cusp of the american - in june of 1860, and a star's with elizabeth and 23 -year-old housewife and mother of six and her american home printed in a starts with a simple question, what would happen if your husband could commit you to violence just because he disagrees with you read that is what happened to elizabeth pretty and i want to try to read from the booko and edited part f the chapter one, the reason i've chosen to do with reading is because i want you to understand how i have i chosen to tell this true story. this is a nonfiction book, and a right and a very novelistic way, and i am a storyteller at heart and i hope this will be not get swept up ins this true story and i hope that elizabeth will feel that you will walk with her on
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her journey would never forget that they have f a holistic stye in this book, on our authentic historical reserve in appointed every kind of dialogue comes from a record made from someone present at the time so without further ado, the date is june 18, 1816. it was the last day but she didn't know it, in truth it would never be until it was too late, she wrote covered by a snow white campaign and also a restless night and around eyes and the landmarks.
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[inaudible]. and for some reason. [inaudible]. her husband of 21 years, she and also was a preacher was lying next to her, gravity defying and in a pillow beneath his head with a few known what a few weeks before. he wanted to sleep alone these days and at the precious proximity of her six -year-old and her children were the sun moon to her to see this happy faces and particular. el[inaudible]. increasingly by the day was left
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pretty and such melancholy for elizabeth pretty the 43 -year-old in normal times, but the even now threatening her country all out civil war in her small domestic sphere. in her unique two-story home on the mask for months, she and her husband had retreated behind enemy lines, from elizabeth. [inaudible]. elizabeth would agree 22, and at first, bossing well and elizabeth had been raised to be silenced and her preacher husband the became the sole mouthpiece in her marriage. in a make it happy, that houses my ambition elizabeth wrote and
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that's all i wanted, to make my husband shine inside and out. the problem in the marriage, is he did not make her shine and return. their opposite and elizabeth penn van bright and he was gloomy in in his own words, dull party and elizabeth described their marriage as. [inaudible]. and he said nothing to him directly, until everything changed. in 1848, the women's rights convention was held in new york. national conversation about the rights of women and it was one in whichhe elizabeth took part
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>> countless times the couple had discussions but elizabeth naturally blessed, triumphed yet literally it came and they cost. ... >> my advice with society in the real notion in the notion that elizabeth was.
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and in my opinion. i look at the new found. and to deliver silent defiantly she kept on articulating her own inspired by the women's rights and it was her right to do so. the often response was telling, he does not encourage her independence. instead he wrote that white men were getting out of order. she was becoming insane of the subject of women's rights.
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on the morning of june 19, 1860, elizabeth shifted uncomfortably in bed and slowly intensified. over the past four months the evidence had made its claim he wanted her gone he could not cope with his outspoken with the independent. elizabeth did not keep her character confined to their home. she ascended herself insh public two. in the face of her impassioned eloquent. it was fiercely impotent. it conceived a plan and he kept it secret seven were intended to silence her once and for all. when they argued he warned elizabeth she did not comply i
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shall put you into the asylum. you might think as elizabeth did what a ridiculous thing to say. of course he can't send his wife to an asylum just because she disagreed with him. into a lunatic asylum for having a mind of her own but they knew like elizabeth, as crazy as it seems today, and elizabeth's time women were committed for acts of self discretion. as elizabeth becomes worried about his wife's behavior and begins to articulate his fears to his parishioners elizabeth finds the community and the parishioners take her husband
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side. elizabeth becomes more and more confident in her own beliefs and ultimately she decides she no longer wants to worship at her husband's church enter church she worships with the methodist on the road instead. this is such a public rejection of her husband and his authority both marital and spiritual info the preacher it is a final draw he plans to commit elizabeth into her shock the parishioners find a petition to have her committed. what i found shocking and telling is to look at theck so-called evidence that the parishioners cited as evidence as elizabeth. they viewed all her actions through this program of insanity. the very example elizabeth
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shouted at her husband because he had not, this was evidence of madness that is something that is true throughoutly the centur, an angry woman characterized as irrational and insane. another parishioner shared the fact that elizabeth confided she had a dislike of her husband for the way he was trying to control her and once again this was seen as madness because in the 19th century women are not supposed to be satisfied and a woman that is supposedly the bl she is supposed to be timid and the man of her dreams to express dislike for that man with completely insane. this too recited as evidence of elizabeth. the most telling evidence of all
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however, that the parishioners cited elizabeth talking of evidence of madness. that really reminded me of social studies in which people assist a woman's contribution to a conversation and they thought she was talking too much and dominating theis conversation. but actually the social studies research broken down, the woman had only been taking up 14% of the conversation. women are not held to the a same as a men. women are compared to the ideal of a silent woman and that's what any woman who talks at all is deemed to be talking too much. the parishioners were 100% behind him. he applies to the state hospital to send his wife away and she is
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readily accepted because to elizabeth's for it is not only the small town parishioners who think in the way that i described, actually it was the medical wisdom that an asserted or angry or ambitious woman was a madwoman. doctors described how women who had ungovernable personalities, women who had strong resolution turn to nerve. these were textbook examples of female insanity in the 19th century. the diagnosis was called moral insanity in the definition of that was eccentricity of conduct. of course eccentricity of conduct like you see it is in the eye of the beholder. as i described limited the 19th century were supposed to be satisfied with the domestic
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fear and any woman who pushed their own and women who were ambitious and studied and had a mind of her own were seen as unfeminine that is unnatural therefore disease and mentally ill. these were the women who were dispatch. elizabeth had to against her not only was she is an asserted woman but she was also an educated woman. as i did my research for the book i found examples of doctors as high school teachers who talked and the doctor told them you are training for the asylum. to shed light on this belief we can turn to a man called doctoro andrew mcfarland he was the superintendent of the illinois state hospital in 1860.
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doctor mcfarlane described how the limited capacity and subjects tried to do so, this ultimately led to mental breakdowns which is why theyem were seen as an increased risk. any female intellectual in the endeavor was liable to call it and sanity. i look at the records of the illinois state hospital, i found that listed in black and white because insanity that was committed within the group and there it said it was a cause of insanity in these women can admitted. i found one example from may of
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1860. a 15-year-old girl it was committed because she had become greatly addicted to reading levels. >> when it applies to mcfarlane to send his wife away she is welcome with open arms and a hot summer night in june of 1860 elizabeth climbed the asylum and she was shot behind her, she was admitted as a case of someone who had had excessive application or as she put it she had been placed there. but first elizabeth was not too concerned, she thought the doctors are keeping me here but i should apply to the release
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here elizabeth had a noble shock because it was on her husband side to. it was known in the 1100 and originated in england. in the husband and the wife are one and the one is the husband, and that married women had no legal right at all and identity of their husband in the shadow. that married women had no rights to their own earnings into their children to the liberty. in 1860 a husband could find his wife to insane asylum and without the evidence of insanity
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in other cases. before you say this is old and how is it on today's world, this had echoed throughout the trump youury, for example did know it was not until 1974 that women could get credit cards in america independently, before them a man had to cosign with the implication. and they would have to ask permission of her husband to work or open up a bank account until 1985. elizabeth found that their hope and became very clear of what she was up against she was admitted in the illinois state hospital and countless women who have endured the same treatment. doctors at the time wrote that
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they would admit women who were called the greatest to they, family, women who defined over domestic control. elizabeth find that the roles are overcrowded. so much so that mcfarlane had recently had a funding to build a whole new wing, it was supposed to commit another 150 patients. every single one of them will be ta woman. this brings to light another reality of 19th century psychiatry, doctors actually believe left at increased risk they thought women sexual organs in the ventral cycle made them go mad was neutralized arrangement. in the prevalent broke the
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theory that actually they were encouraged to delay intent to do so. they advised that the one women should avoid in the young women must take it and doctor to stay off the dreaded area and stay off of the potential insanity. what makes elizabeth so special, how she reacts to the situation in which she finds herself in which her very body mean she's at risk of lifelong imprisonment, what makes her special, she realizes the treatment that doctor andrew mcfarland is carrying out a subduing treatment.
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mcfarlane himself sees himself to the caravan he saw to teach them and submit authority and only then it crushed them to be allowed out but elizabeth, this woman crushing machinery, the true woman shined brighter and brighter instead of being strangled. what i love about elizabeth story in the narrative of my book that i could not find, the narrative is about this woman striving to find her belief, striving to become the woman that is silenced, elizabeth because she enjoyed and she goes through this baptism of fire in
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this abusive asylum and is the same woman sent away potentially for life through the crucible of suffering that elizabeth finds herself my enemy can do what they have done and i fear them no more. am i free to be true and honest most position can overcome the. elizabeth, this fearless woman this unstoppable woman she becomes a writer and asylum she is not committed to write even on paper as being too aggressive but regardless she rips out the margins and she keeps a secret journal journal that has survived to this day, journal and my book so you understand
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truly what it means to be a sane woman because elizabeth is an intimate detail. she was aim special person in te book charts are turning to historically significant, someone who issi successfully ad ultimately to improve the right of women, she talks about the asylum and t she surges with her fellow patients and she is tired of battling the immediate around her. ultimately a woman of special thought to contain her and elizabeth throughout the 19th century and she truly becomes a force to be back inom place. make no mistake however, that is
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a victory book and it could not be more modern and actually this is how i came to the story the story started for me of not of 186 but the former 2017 admit the fire. everywhere speaking up and speaking out against misogyny, sexual harassment sexual abuse, what really struck me about that not that women were speaking out it was that finally we were being listened to and it got me thinking why has that not happen before how has it been undermined and silenced.
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as a set of my kitchen table in london thinking about a single realization in centuries where other women have used their voices, mental health has been rolled with other weapons, we need to undermine the control that. and that's what i wanted tond write about my next book and allow me too take the reader on a journey but allow me to hold it up to the modern day as well. until the present day and this is the so-called and masculine
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control and how she asserted herself, she would be punished. they get political figures, hillary clinton running for president even when kamala harris announced that she would run as bidens, she was called a madwoman and we see how this language in this attempt is still continuing right up until the presentid day. >> the 15th of january 2018 i fell down into a universe. it was a single paragraph about
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elizabeth. i thought she sounded interesting so i started digging a little more into her story, very quickly i realized she was the one that i wanted to write about next because what a woman that she is, just think about what she's having to do against her husband, battling against the received wisdom of the age and the entire patriarchy and triumph, she was truly extraordinary person and even better for me her story is absolutely phenomenal, it is packed full of drama you have people hacking their way in her room to see her in your courtroom drama as elizabeth is involved in illegal justice you have for that takes you inside to the 19th century. above all this is the story of a
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woman struggling to become a woman who cannot be silenced. the fact that elizabeth incredibly to think her story all the more comparing for me. as i started looking into her story i realized i was going to be up against it. there is no elizabeth special collection. there is however, a mental health center named after doctor mcfarlane the man who kept elizabeth incarcerated in the state hospital when a gift of elizabeth's own book she had found and to publish.
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no publisher would touch her because of the stigma of mental illness for the rest of her life that elizabeth persevered incredibly she was so forward thinking that she actually funded the publication, she convinced thousands of people and she used that in her book you will hear from elizabeth in her own words telling her exactly what she was thinking with every step of her dirty. remarkably my research uncovered what i been able to draw on the diary in the memoir of her husband and i been able to draw on the medical writing of her very own psychiatrist. i was also fascinated to other historical records fromis th
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time, one fact that struck became from the asylum record, a recorded when elizabeth was set to run in the asylum it was forced to make their own restraining jackets. perhaps the most shocking thing i uncovered in my research came from the medical journal at the time. i spoke how doctors believe the 'swoman sexual organs and so pperhaps understandably some of the treatments on these two and without a doubt i uncovered two supposedly insane i found
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examples of exactly who had been forced on this treatment. patients such as a 20-year-old woman and then the victim of madness that she liked engage in reading was occupied to the 19th century. my research showed that the treatment continued in the western world i traveled to her
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hometown and was forced around it. to move west in the landscape on the open parler of the west and the endless sky, elizabeth's mind open as she made the journey. i'm sure the change in landscape really ensued her journey she became an asserted woman. part of my research i traveled
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to worship as a church where he had preached, one sunday i went and joined the service and again, it was so illuminating because as i stood and sat with the congregation in unison, i realized what it must've taken for elizabeth to break away from that. if a community she had always learned into breakout on her own because she believed it was the right thing for her to do. she was confident in herself to leave all that behind it to strike out on her own. when i worship at that church i was led in prayer by a senile pastor. it makes wonderful to the story in a church that tried to
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silence a woman is now led by a woman every sunday in prayer. perhaps the most powerful part of my research was when i journeyed to jacksonville illinois on the site of a hospital that elizabeth had been held, like her i moved past the gate post but not the borders of the asylum as you would expect there incredibly old, twice the height of a woman. there is a very real sense as you leave behind the world of civilization and move into the quiet of what is now a community park. all the buildings are banded and to walk among them. i interviewed the townspeople who recall that used to break
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into the asylum at night and the long corridorsal were elizabeth had once lived seeking out the asylum. there are things even the very trees are meant to share how are they going to maturity. and so many. >> and trying to my disappointment and demolished in
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1984 almost 30 years too late. when they knocked the building down, over a century patients have scratched into the south. another member told me how she remembered they had quan marks in them in patients battling to get out. this is a site that has secrets even after the hospital was knocked down they discovered of unmarked ground the patient without markers and over the years they no longer stood. i still look around the building and it was still incredibly daunting to appear inside of the abandoned building to see it
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unfold. it looked like it was clinging to the underside. i don't feel an abandoned desk and chair. the buildings. i think it is important to open the doors to the past. through them with her spirit and as it was. women are made to fly not to creep and crawl. all of her many legacies i think
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elizabeth she teaches us all how to fly, she teaches us the importance to believe in yourself and not being swayed what others think about or say about us. she teaches us to be true to yourself and strong and focus on what you want to achieve and what you believe is right because like her we can make the world a better place. elizabeth wrote i will not find my light, i will set it upon a candlestick that it may give light to others and to our a benefit elizabeth's light shines and you can read all about it and the woman i could not silence. i hope your light touches all of your lives as it has done mine. thank you.
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>> that was a great presentation. for anybody who joinedbo us lati am coming to you sitting in the bookstore and here is the book we have been talking about. kate moore is the author and who you been listening to. we hope you purchase the book from octavia books or you're about to i'm suree you will. if you are one of the first to do it while we still have supplies we have some signed bookplates to go in your book and you also get a free copy of the woman they could not silence journal. also get a hold of the radium girls in other previous book
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which is so highly regarded and elsewhere in the new york times bestseller. we have ast few questions that e have time for. if you want toor get another one in please use the chat button if you're listening on the zoom event. let's see erica would like to know, her question can you shine anymore light on elizabeth stands throughout the ordeal. i recall in the book that you said her father supported, i don't think i'm pronouncing the right. >> later came around. but do we know why and what the rest of her family thought aside from her cousin. >> one thing that's important to
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say elizabeth hunt seen her father for ten years at the time she is committed. she was in illinois and it was difficult at that time they had not seen each other and ultimately her father took her words and i would like to say in the book there's a twist in asylum i talked to earlier now educated woman were seen going mad before she marries elizabeth has an extraordinary teaching career, she teaches at the village in massachusetts at the age of 19 and during that time she said she would get physically sick and committed to asylum by her father and mental labor. excessive application of money
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something that is thrown at her 20 odd years later. in her father had that in the back of his mind as well. her brother does too, she has two brothers but as soon as they see elizabeth which can't happen for ages because she's not the asylum but as soon as they meet her again they realize before he dies her father issued a public statement because he was also relying on his earlierer letters to continue to squander elizabeth and say not only is she member her family and her father attracts that so he publishes public statement to say that he fully supports his daughter and has no reason to treat her in this way.
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we can see that he did truly believe that. in his will he meets elizabeth and her share of the state directly. he could've left in a trust for her with her share of the money, he doesn't he gives it to elizabeth herself which is evidence. >> we also have questions from julian. julian would like to know why she released, i think we know the answer to that, we touched on that and how long was she held w in asylum and maybe you could talk more about her release. >> she was ultimately held for three years in the illinois state hospital. she could've easily been heldpi for longer alongside elizabeth
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was incarcerated for decades.an in a patient was admitted in the hospital with extreme jealousy for 16 years in some ways elizabeth's three year release was a lot less painful than the other women have to endure some were imprisoned for life and that's what elizabeth husband tried to do is to lock her up for life without any hope of getting out at all. it's very illuminating to share how elizabeth got out there a lot to contend to the story but ultimately she is released by andrew mcfarlane because in his words she has become unendurable annoyance because elizabeth was feisty and she described her
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friends and patriots as someone who is irresistible. what happens this woman crushinr the scenery as she calls it, she encourages them to resist that doing treatment to have faith in itself, she does not want senile behavior to be medicalized for the doctors to see her personality, she wants the patient to know that they are eccentric, that does not mean what they're doing is not right. she encourages them to lay down their labor and protest in the 19th century with patient labor to the deficiency.
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this is bright and fair, and the trouble and behind in all because of elizabeth, ultimately she got released because she cause too much trouble. i'm very pleased to say she goes on and thank goodness. >> i wanted to ask you you talked about the graves, how many were found in light of the news coming out of canada with the native american schools that were there, maybe that would've made you dig a little deeper, do you think there are more graves than there really known? >> it is very possible, it was discovered because the genealogist found records that were going to dig and build on the lands. but luckily genealogist found a
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record book and said no and about that particular case. it's possible because these things are not well documented. the patient'snt are buried witht a trace in this possible there are others that were not documented. >> judith wants to know about the children and how they perceive the situations. >> there was largely elizabethth was supported by her children and her 18-year-old son goes to the asylum to see if she can release that. he helped no legal authority to have any sway in his mother's case, largely they supported her
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in one of her children who she called her most s troublesome child, he does not initially take her side he makes a change of mind and actually i found what happens to children incredibly sad, the story of what happens to her daughter in particular is quite horrifying, she only has one daughter of six children five boys and one daughter when elizabeth is sent away. she essentially is expected by her father to pick up all of her mother's work. all the cooking, cleaning, sewing, gardening, everything that her mother did is expected to do. latero in life she has a mental breakdown and psychiatrist today right very clearly that that pressure alone would've been enough even the very active separation of a young girl from her mother would be enough to
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cause a medical disturbance and suffer from it the rest of her life and she answered days on asylum and it's a very sad closer to the story the actions don't just impact elizabeth, the impact the family to. >> i think we have room for a final question and a good one from virginia. it is a statement and a question she said she loved both books meaning this book in thed radium girl you've also written other books of course. but she says what arere you reay next? i'm at that point where i have to make a decision in the next couple of months. i don't know i have some ideas and i'm looking around for other ideas. and very delighted to hear that
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you love both of the books and whenever kunda and a couple of years i hope you will look it up. thank you. >> i see another one i popped u, he wants to know what did you think of the movie. >> i have to say it's not related at all to my book. an adaptation of the true story, the women, i have not seen the movie either, i cannot comment and i hope that maybe one day hopefully that might still happen. >> as usual the book is always better as our official position. >> absolutely, i concur. >> we thank you so much.
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you are in the uk, it is almost 1:00 a.m., we arere in new orleans, it is about 7:00 p.m. it's been a fabulous hour listening to you. thank you so much for allowing us to present your book and for you to present it so beautifully. >> thank you so much one of my favorite things in america maybe for the next book. >> we are looking forward to having you here and we will bring a big crowd, we are so glad we could do this virtually but what we would really like to do is have people in the store and were starting to do those events again and for anybody listening go to octavia books.com and see what's coming up we have more great events next week and thereafter we will do more virtual events and last night we had a nice group in the
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store. we look forward to your next book very much. for anybody who has not gotten a book, please go to octavia books.com and buy your copy of the woman that they could not silence by kate moore. good night to all and we look forward to seeing you soon. >> thank you. >> the giver having me. >> sunday december 5 on in-depth historian and commentator victor david hanson joins us live to talk about politics and citizenship in the united states. his book title includes the father of us all, the case for trial in his latest the dying citizen the idea of american citizenship, the ideal associated with the are disappearing.
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