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while she was filled with worry about her husband. david left home that morning on horseback a legal client 8 miles away. he was lightly dressed, unprepared for the storms no one expected. when he finally got into the house that eveningor, he was shivering in the cold so i helped him undressed and get into bed. the cold turned to fever and been pneumonia. september 25, her beloved husband was dead. funeral held the house in a ceremony conducted by one of david's freemasons. a month after her husband's death, she brought their fifth child into the world, little william joined his fatherless brothers and sisters, david, francis and the boys were seven and five, the girls were three and not right to. the new widowil had no illusions about what came next. david did a good living as a lawyer but likee many young married couples, they have no savings. until they were old enough to go
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to work or until she remarried, and figural prospect, she had her children would have no choice to rely on family and neighbors might offer. it would provide assistance. even so, it would be a struggle. the opening paragraphs, a biography in the making of the modern american woman, the vice president of public affairs at hudson institute, i am drunk with my colleague senior fellow melody kirkpatrick and biographer of this book. she is a longtime journalist at the "wall street journal" and we have the pleasure of hearing more from her today about this book and whyf she it. before there was oprah or martha stewart or all my influencers, one of the most famous women but mostly forgotten from the. 19th century. she was a writer, patriot
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educator, style setter and godmother of thanksgiving. in for a treat, this book is terrific. i'm going to have melanie open with a few comments and we will have a curated conversation back and forth and we look forward to taking your questions to discuss further. melanie, welcome. >> thank you, it's wonderful to be here. thank you for hosting this wonderful event giving me a chance to talk about the woman i think is the most are one of the most important influential women in american history. i'll make one correction to your introduction and the persona of missus hale, she had think would have liked for you to have called me and all the rest author s and you would have been
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a vice president s. designated professional women as women. so here we are, author s and president s. >> you mentioned she's mostly forgotten today and that's true, if she's remember, as the godfather of thanksgiving or as the author mary had a little lamb but i always thought mother goose had written that but it was in 1830, i learned about her when i was writing my book on the history of thanksgiving and i wasoo blown away by her when i learned she was editor of the post widely circulated magazine of the first in the 19th
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century and she had enormous influence over the culture of our country, over the idea of educating women and the godmother of thanksgiving. the modern day holiday we still celebrate. >> that's terrific. i wanted to open with the opening paragraphs, it sets the stage, she was 33, a mother of five and without she had decisions to make and it's fascinating, if she'd ever remarried, who wouldn't have had this impact she had in this country, you think thatt is fair to say? >> it is, she was motivated because of her passion for educating her children. she was probably certainly one of the best educated women of
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early 19th century. this is an era she started the magazine in 1828, only half of american women were s and there was no institute of higher educatio yet she had been educated first by her mother who believed her daughters should be as well educated as her son. then her ratio, went off and of course sarah couldn't go with because they didn't accept women until the 1970s but she would come home and teach her everything he's learned and when hale got married, shed and her husband every evening they would sit together at the table after dinner and for two hours they would study not justt literatue but also science and french and
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subjects not usually considered womensu subjects. >> right. i love what you said about her mother, she is profoundly influenced by her mother, her first schoolteacher. my mom is in the audience, she's also a schoolteacher and i felt scene when she said that but she said there's no influence as powerful as her mother but next in rank is that of a schoolmaster, it seems like that set her on that trajectory for her mother's influence and her husband but maybe you could speak to influences in her life that had this impact. >> her family influences were enormous, another influence was s her father, a revolutionary wr veteran, she was a deep patriot born in 1788, a year before washington force warning as
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president of the united states and she lived through 19 presidents terms so she had a very long diverse life encompassing almost a century of enormous changes in american history. i think this background influenced her writing enormously. after her husband died, the masons were in town and set up in ato shop and she hated it so she decided the shop kept going but she started to write and she already published her husband had her publisher pump problem problemss and she managed to gt poems in boston and then she wrote a novel, an antislavery
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novel and it came out in 1827. it caught the eye of the man in boston who was starting a magazine for women in out of the blue he asked her to be the founding editor and she had to make a tough decision whether or not to move to boston because -- >> maybe you could speak to that, explained the difficult decisions she had to make. >> this was a tough one because she had five kids and couldn't afford to take all of them so she took the baby with her and the other four children were parceled out to relatives with whom they lived for quite a few years before they could join in boston at her boardinghouse. >> i can't imagine what that must have been like. >> she had to make choices she
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decided the only way she'd be able to afford to educate the kids as she and her husband dreamed for her to take the job and succeed at it. >> magazine starter, they are not known for succeeding. >> beginning of the 19th century there were some for women, she was determined to do something very serious. >> you write that she kind of changed the genre of the magazine. a lot of the magazines at that time, what she called them. you write that she wanted it to
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be a ladies magazine and boston, encouragement of american writers and american subject matter and promotion of female leadership in charitable causes so you see the women's education teams, he mentioned her patriotism i think you said it was dave ramsey that made her a patriot for life it's clear how they were infused, or thatyo coe from and why we see different at the time? >> her patriotism extended to the idea she firmly believed america had been unified politically by the revolution, it was not unified quarterly. she set out to change that so in her magazine she did something surprising and different. she decided to publish american authors writing on american topics. from our view from it seems
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ordinary, people want american topics but it wasn't usual work journalism was the norm, and editor would cut out an article from british or other magazine or newspaper and paste it into the dummy for his publication she set out to do something different. at the beginning she had to write half or more of the magazine herself and when it merged with the money to extend her vision and pay the authors,r she had a good eye for talent in some of the people she published you have heard of, edgar allan poe for example who called her a
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woman of genius, excuse the sexism from masculine energy. nathaniel hawthorne was another and many -- longfellow. she also published many women and she was able to jumpstart their careers by publishing them in the ladies book and people like a quarter of a century before she wrote the cabin and lydia, a very famous poet of the day and many others. >> i think that's extraordinary. she also believed women need to be educated to better instruct their children with new republic virtues, she called it the doctor of republican form of motherhood. do you want to expand on that? >> this is very important as i mentioned earlier when she
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started her magazine, only half of m americans women were illiterate. she deeply believed women have the same intellectual capabilities as men but the difference was men were educated and women worked so she believed education was a lifelong process, she wanted women to bea educated to read and write and study projects previously considered taxing for the female she considered her lifelong process and in her magazine she published reading list and articles about science, very serious stuff but for 50 years, every issue of every magazine she added talked about the importance of educating women and one reason, the central
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reason was as red earlier, a mother is the first teacher of the child she thought women needed to be educated to teach their children about everything, particularly religion and civics virtues. it's also part of the reason she wanted a nationalvi thanksgiving day. she saw it as a way of bringing the country together. >> which after the war -- which is born right after the revolutionary war and lived through the civil war so she lived through this time were we weren't the united states, we were torn apart in many ways in our country but i wonder if our country o now benefit, but what they be receptive to the effort she made to unifybu?
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>> i like the virtues of our american political system which were deeply held by her, they haven't changed and as the nation progressed toward civil war, i think she celebrated her campaign for national thanksgiving day and i guess i should give a bit of history, in the early part of the 19th century, many of the states, but not all, celebrated thanksgiving but they didn't do it the same day. the governor call thanksgiving dayol so there was an old sayini loved, if you were a traveler and plan your itinerary carefully, you could have a thanksgiving dinner every week between election day it sounds
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pretty good. as the civil war approached, accelerated the campaign, she talked how she wanted to unify the country and prevent it from going to war -- >> will come back to that later on, she finally got in to make proclamation, you spoke about her leaving men and women were intellectually equivalent, she didn't think it was physical, she was happy to concede men are built to be stronger than women but she believed the superiority of women was what it meant to be a woman, morally superior and that was the purpose in life. unlike feminism pc in modern
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day, she didn't put men down from what i could tell from your biography, and her first magazine talking about the ladiesac magazine she appealed o the men because she recognized reality, they would be the ones who were going to buy the magazine because they control the finances so she appealed to the husbands, fathers, brothers, she wrote to the parents, there's going to be nothing to weaken parental authority, nothing found on this publication shall cause the wife preparing for his concern deterrent and welcoming their return. i know it sounds crazy but in a way, i see it as savvy. >> it was. i think her tone was in her cheek a little bit there but she is practical. she understood men, fathers and husband had the authority not just financial authority but
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they were the deciders. this idea of women, moral exemplars is interesting. obviously we don't think of one as being more moral than the other but i think there's something to it t because women are mothers and women usually manage the household, i think i agree with this even today, they had a certain status and responsibility to teach their children how to be good citizens and good people. >> the chapter dignity and health keeping from she taught her children sewing and being educated but she created this idea of a professional housewife.
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>> she did. she created the term domestic science because she wanted to elevate the status of housekeeping and she spoke about educating house wives and mothers because she said just as a farmer needs to know something how to grow good weeds, a farmer's wife needs to learn how to bake good bread. the whole idea of teaching, when she started in 1828, her magazine in 1828, women were considered not to be qualified , they could teach small children their was to chae
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national conversation about women as teachers and by the 40s, 1840s, little villages and towns around the front tier were looking for teachers, women entered the teaching profession in large numbers and by the 50ss, there were more women than men as schoolteachers in america. last i i looked i think about a month ago, 76% of k-12 teachers today are women. >> don't think that's how that's always used to be, it's astounding it was her to push that.
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>> she opened the first day care center for working women. she opened what's considered one of the first kindergartens, they were called infant schools so then she worked very hard to support women's colleges and ha, separate spheres for men and women, you read about the separate spirit for men and women in the 19th century, women belonging in the domestic sphere and men in the worker today world, she was different.
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she thought women could go out into the world andd work but se wanted them designated and when it came's to doctors, female doctors should be children and women, no men allowed, she didn't want men to treat women or children, she wanted only women because women had the compassion she thought necessary for the concerns that naturally made them better qualified and it's true for some other professions. during the civil war, she urged the government to appoint women as postmistress researchers
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mistresses, women were whittled by the war or single and couldn't find husbands and they needed jobs so she wanted the whole profession to become female only, as a job you could do at home, to which i think made a difference. >> she seemed to have an empathy toward widows as a widow herself, there is a surplus of widows during the civil war whichh coincided the popularity of her magazine and reaching them which i think is significant. on the topic, she was a patriot, the women's right to vote, i'd love for youlo to talk more abot that. >> from the view of the 21st century being against suffrage for women seemed abominable.
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i think the reason she's not so well-known today as she deserves to be is in large part because she was anti- suffrage. her reason is fascinating though. number one, she started her work in the jacksonian. , she thoughtth politics was vey -- shedi thought women were aboe the rough-and-tumble of politics and theyed deserve to be able to stay out of it and look at the moral issues and i advised the men in their life on the higher issues they should keep their eye on instead of the compromises they fight about in the halls of congress. these are the days when -- yeah yeah yeah.
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so after the civil war, she got into the suffrage movement and i should say during this period, the vast majority of women in america were against suffrage so in a way, she was speaking for women whose voices were not being heard so i like to think maybe she was beginning to change her mind but because at the end of her life she began to support women on school boards. that of course is the lowest level, the most powerful level of ourou government at the lowet level.we aggressive and she thought women along with scoreboards.
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one book w talked about earlier, the women's record, 2500 women biography, a compilation of 2500 biographies, it's prolific. she was 65, i think. >> according to the bibliography of american literature, wrote, edited or contributed to 129 books which is pretty amazing but the one she thought was her masterpiece be called women's masterpiece, a 900 page poem, the biographies of 2500 women as the subtitle that said from the beginning of time until present day. proud of this book
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and deservedly so. the first work to put women at its center and i think it was the precursor of the women study movement. there's a wonderful story, it took her a while at self-promotion and she decided to send copies of women's records to notable women and among them was queen victoria so she asked james buchanan who would become president at the time, he was just appointed ambassador to the u uk, she askd him to take queen victoria a copy of her book. amazingly, he agreed, she was that influential he said yes and
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more amazingly, queen victoria wrote back, her secretary saying thank you for the book. i have always thought since then, i've asked the american ambassador a copy. [laughter] >> speaking of queen victoria, there were certain influences, we've got some pictures and these were incorporated into the book, we were talking about her influence in you right because she was a cultural influence of the mid- 19th century, while missus hale says which we have a pricelist and we can hear people say this is how we talk, these were two things i didn't realize
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that because of her promotion in the magazine took off in the country, the christmas tree in a wedding dress, queen victoria war white at her wedding in 1840 and it caught on in britain. she liked the idea and started promoting it in the book including publishing many d drawings and this was from 1859 she published the first i think the late 40s, something like that so it caught on and by 1850 she was saying white wedding gowns symbol of americans women hood and etc. the christmas tree is even more interesting. a london newspaper published a picture of christmas at windsor castle and she liked the idea to
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publish so she removed the tiara and moved the mustache of prince albert, the photo shopping of the day and she hated it on men, she thought it made men look sneaky. [laughter] that was one battle she didn't win. those are just two examples that she was very influential in other areas, the first recipes to an american publication and she published a pop couple of recipes, clothing was another example besides the wedding dress. war sets that were too tight,
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tlaced shoes too flimsy for cod weather and bonnets. all along though, she hated fashion. she railed against wanting to include fashion but she is eventually saw the benefitss because in american fashion, even though she wanted to establish american identity. >> she railed against british and french fashion saying we are americans, when will we start promoting a republican r-lowercase-letter fashion? >> she was savvy with her time. i think we take so much for granted and you look back and realize her influence, she is the founding mother of our country.
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do you think she would be canceled today? >> for sure. i think she has been canceled, before canceling was popular. the 20th century scholarship on her, because of her anti- suffrage in my view as the sister instead of taking her whole life into account. ...he >> they had taken over the women's movement and people didn't talk much about educating the woman at as they did about
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giving them or us the right to vote predict. >> that's interestingst and then one last question, maybe you thought about thanksgiving in her impact on this pretty. >> while she love the thanksgiving and in 1827, novel a novel whose i thank you so the best description of an american thanksgiving day that i did an american literature predict and there is an expert in the book an excerpt read and so, in the 1840s, she decided she wanted to try to get the president to call a national thanksgiving day and that is the day when every american would celebrate the same day and in america and abroad and she said that she could pick a day when every american all around the world would stop and t give thanks, te same day in c the certainly was
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true when i was in japan and then in hong kong and americans are together on thanksgiving day. so besides talking about this, she also hadad a private letter writing campaign and she would write personal letters very important influences of the day, the governors, mayors and the president of the united states urging them to call a national thanksgiving day and the presidents wrote back and they also know. so they said no because they thought that the constitution did not give that power to the president. it was not enumerated in the constitution in other words i do not remember reading the word
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thanksgiving in the constitution so that is probably right anyway in 1863, she rode to lincoln and he liked the idea and he called in 1863, for national thanksgiving day and a beautiful acclamation which i urge you to go back and read and it was just after the battle of gettysburg and there was a time when the war had turned and it looks like a win and lincoln talks about americans coming together as one people celebrating with one voice. it is a lovely image and ones that we could see today. that is right. but after lincoln's death, he did not give up, she was beginning to write the president for the rest of her light in the
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consonant printed and take a believe and then they all followed suit and then by then the traditions have caught on. >> is a powerful's woman. horrific and when we take questions from the audience we have a couple of questions appear and there is the microphone. >> thank you very much, that was wonderful and he began by talking about yourself as an author. in the book, you talk about the influence that the helipad on what it means to be an author in america and was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about this yes, before hail, being an author was usually a pretty private undertaking and that it was neither self published or you would find somebody who would publish, for
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example, the first book of poetry was published by contributions and fellow cadets at west point had hale's first book was published because of the nations that have been brothers and her husband came up for money but hail thought that began c profession and she believed in the youth should be paid for your work and this was the idea that she took and she started her magazine in the 1820s and of course, as you know the idea of an independent author male-female really took off and people were indeed professionals and then you can
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also see this idea in the 1840s when the owner and publisher of gotti's decided to copyright the magazine and i believe that it was under her influence i could not find any direct evidence of that in hand she criticized for this pretty because he wanted to stop the practice of the newspaper stealing articles from a this lady spoke, and be publishing them before the magazines could even arrange their subscribers and again, that supported the idea that authors should be paid for the work and of course i like this idea.a. [laughter] >> a lot of copy and pasting and failing. >> thank you for joining us today is a fascinating talk and you mentioned that she published
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stealth and i know that she is a firm abolitionist and could you speak a little bit about the extent of her involvement in the abolitionist movement predict. >> she was not an abolitionist, she was against slavery and princely reaching out as morally wrong and i don't know if she ever knew slaves when she was born, and aas couple of years after her birth, show that there was one slave in her little town in new hampshire but she certainly had visited i believe, that was unproven, the doctors and i think he visited the south. her first book was funded in imaginative view of slavery which she made it clear that she was against it. she supported the argumentsnt against it but she be a great i guess being a of the 18th century, she thought that the
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bargain it but the founders had made over the slavery, should continue. so the time the country could peaceably render the slavery, she supported what is known is colonization and that is sending freed slaves to africa to a colony that the country of liberia. she thought that slaves were freed slaves would not be able to succeed in america. she wrote a book called mr. payton's experiments came out in the 1850s depicting the slaveowner they wanted to free his slaves but he wanted them to be successful so he didn't know how to help them and so in the novel, he sends one group to northern city and another group
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to a rural town in the third group to canada and they all had terrible experiences, the faced discrimination that they cannot make a living. so in the end he decided to send them all to liberia. again, from our perspective, i think that was her attitude towards slavery but she d certainly supported unions during the war, no question about that. but it is hard to wrap my head around this idea but there were many people of the day who thought that this was a reasonable idea. she did not write it all about those out after the war but by then in the 70s she, she cannot write that i could tell that anything about the morals
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of white people who helped freed the slaves. and i think that is a shame and decisions made in her work. >> melanie, congratulations for this book and for reviving and introducing her to our generation and she has an amazingly accomplish influential woman. and holds many lessons in a timely way for corona issues ofc national unity and cultural unity and specific civic education and i wonder if she was leaving aside this suffrage issue and the civil war, was she controversial in her day and was
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her work and her advocacy for women this work order role in society and education, was considered controversial and did she have a fan base and opponents and how did the other reaches of the country feel towards her like the south. >> the south letter magazine. about a third of the subscription of the ladies what was in the south so that tells you something. yes fashion. vshe was very very popular andi think she referred earlier to that when there was a domestic matter or whatever that also a
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fan newspapers of the day that would quote her seriously the frivolous ones of the more frivolous one so she was not of no authority. she did not support the women's rights movement and she did not llike the idea of rights, she preferred opportunities as a way ofy expressing the fields that should be open to women. she was very gracious woman and there's a wonderful letter that i found an article i guess that account written about her. and this was the famous lucy not who she had in her home in philadelphia in talking about what a grace under gracious reception that she had received and she was sorry that sarah josepha hale did not fully
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support their cause but that was okay, everybody could think differently. but she got into trouble a few times and we've really not talked about one thing, it has to do with philanthropy. when she was living in boston, in the early 30s, and a group of men who had come together to raise money to build the bunker hill monument, is going to be a monument in memory of the first battle of the revolution and they could not raise enough money. so sarah josepha hale stepped forward and said she would ask readers and ask them to contribute and she was public about this intimate calls in magazine for women in just sent money and she was criticized by her from the men in a public way
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for doing thisc because they sad that the men controlled the money the house and anything that a woman gives, really is coming from her husband. and to which she replied exciting biblical passage that women could i can't remember the example but the women gave up their ornaments in order to fund something or other, the at the time, yes, i think that's right. she got into trouble over that but in the end her campaign did not working, did not raise enough money but a couple of years later, she was able to revise and started a fire, a big fair in boston raised enough money to increase the monument and i think this first example of a woman in america as the
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leader of major philanthropy is the women of mount vernon, the ladies are often referred to as the first major women's philanthropy bunker hill, succeeded it and in fact, the woman who spearheaded mount vernon reconstruction was rise by sarah josepha hale and had a similar structure and how she went about raising the money. she got into trouble over that andth i'm trying to think if the was anything else and i cannot remember anything else off the top of my head. [inaudible].>>
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>> sorry, like first thank you for bringing back this to the readers today and i hope that he gets wider attention. i want to dance from your discussion, it appears to me that when you say that she will sounds like that she did not push equality in the absolute terms of suffrage and movements today both gender-based and non- gender-based movements but i wonder is the reason that she did not engage in that kind of will principal and that dominates everything, is it a matter of her judgment about was prudent these kind of social change in sort of for the country or is it her republicanism that you see here that supported that what you have to do is you have to persuade people and consent the
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discussion that you had about evolution. and seem to imply that shehe is waiting for the principle that people have to agree that they cannot be this kind of demand placed on them andd that of the varieties their persuasion is more important than enforcing whatever he may believe suggest principal and that you understand her understanding of how you create change or engage in these kinds coming said she's not political but of course she is post political and cultural stuffiness political and private. how does she understand the parameters and proper action. >> never thought it fit in those terms john and i would like to reflect on it. she certainly was not with
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sword, she did not believe in the top down government. she expressed her point of view but she was certainly open to what her readers had to say in the published letters from her readers. i don't know if she thought of it in terms of lower case republicanism. you have to remember that the 18th century, the mentality about women was very different than what we would think of today, she had huge social cultural hurdles just impressing for education to the extent that she did and pressing for women in to be involved in the
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workplace. in the same way as she did and there's a lot of contradiction in her work. she was happy for the women to be doctors or waitresses or teachers but then she was not crazy about women becoming lawyers because she just got that area was more for men and how do you find that in the me somewhat - and maybe that it was too political. so in her life, she said that she implored ambitions and woman and again look in her life. surely at some point after her kids had all been educated and left the nest, she could have retired, but she did not, she
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just wanted to keep climbing to new heights. i don't know, but she certainly did not believe in making demands on people and she wanted to open doors to women. >> yes, that is a big difference rated. >> this really fascinating, and. [background sounds]. a reform movement and. [inaudible]. and the other was temporary and the thought of getting started i was just wondering and it seems that it she didn't really want to get into these slavery issues and sound whatt she didn't. [inaudible].
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but did she push - >> absolutely, she was a very early supporter in the country's movement and it started in the late 1820s, and she wrote a lot about suffrage and she published the most popular anti- - writer of the day, a man she wrote books aboutro the dangersf alcohol and how it impacted women and there was one called my cousin mary, that is about mary makes the fatal decision to marry a man who drinks. and you know what happens to marry. [laughter] , she ended up very unhappy. also, and her cookbook she would
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talk about being against drinking as well and the reader would find no recipes for the alcohol and her cookbooks. so she did include recipes that did include alcohol and the idea that the alcohol would be burned out before you actually would need the product. in one of her big philanthropies along with the bunker hill's monument for which he was remembered, is the aids society at which started in boston and then grew around the world around the country,un pardon me and this was helpful wife's of the seed men who went off to see that in many cases never came back because their ships sank.
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she started a vocational school for the women and she departed charity and she wanted the women to have the dignity of being able to work for a living and take care of their families and again getting back to her personal story. she would write about how sometimes the seed men would come home and they would take the money for their wives and earned and use it to buy drinks and under the system of the night, it be part of the system that was the common line legal practice whereby a woman married, was forced to give oliver property rights to her husband and her husband had the right to take everything that
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she hard everything that she inherited and decide what to do with that and she wrote many many editorials trying to get that and i think that her work had some influence there but cart or some of the stories that she would tell about the woman were whose finances were ruined by t the husband because the husband drank. >> okay, there are no more questions and i will let melanie kirkpatrick have the last word but i will make sure that everybody knows about the holiday at the heart t of the american experience is now on as of yesterday read and you see your interviews around thanksgiving every year, and melanie kirkpatrick is an authoritarian on this holiday. and also on sarah josepha hale pretty. >> i will conclude by saying on
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