tv Victor Davis Hanson The Dying Citizen CSPAN November 10, 2021 6:28pm-7:21pm EST
and follow along on c-span now, our new video app. >> so, good evening. i'm roger kimball the editor and publisher of the new criterion. and i think i know most people in t i think i know most people in the audience so i'm not going to do anything elaborate. i'm glad to take a page from the priest that he talks about constructed as it came to confession to be brief, to be blunt and to be armed. so just three things. first welcome to you our friends at the new criterion. we would not be having events like this were not for your support so thank you for coming. and welcome.
the reason for this event of course is the new criterion's 40th anniversary and please feel free to take a magazine. the launch of victor davis hanson's important new book "the dying citizens." his publisher whom in my great sorrow is not encounter bugs but another lesser publisher. this might be victor's most important book and many of you know that he's written a string of important books. everyone thinks it's the citizen as being something that's been around forever but that's just notto true and victor has writtn what i think is going to be one of the books of the year if not one of the books of this new decade so please feel free to get a copy and remember the title and the publisher and stockan up for real for your
holiday shopping purchases. .. >> to single out the hoover institution and the robert augusta thelly foundation who made the evening itself, helped make thehe evening possible. i'm delighted that -- i think we're going to be joined any moment byy megyn kelly who will do the interview. i'm delighted she can join us. she certainly will introduce an element of candor and glamour that is generally foreign to the halls ofne any institution whose activities take place under the name of harvard. but we're delighted that she could do this. and two logistical things. i mentioned the book, so just feel free to go out, grab a copy of the book. if you happen to get a copy that
is not signed, you can button hole victor, if and he will sign it.xp the second thing is i expect this interview to be entirely illuminating, but it's conceivable that it will be so illuminating that there will be one or two questions that form inue the mind as you're listenig to these things. but please don't jump up and ask a u question, but i want you to snag my colleague isaac who's here someplace or megynen kelly's assistant abby who's also here someplace. theypl will make themselves kno. there's isaac. there's isaac. and they will greet you with a card and a pen, and you can inscribe your question, and megyn will scrutinize them for punch, pertinence and per opportunitity -- [laughter] and cocothe appropriate triage. so where's megyhn?
i feel like the chap who introduced johnny carson. >> hi. [applause] thank you very much. hi.. good to see you too. thank you for that. >> [inaudible] >> thank you very much. of course, i have my own, but i've condensed it into this note form. how are you? >> prettyy good. >> how are you guys? good. this is as close as i'm ever going to get to harvard. i went to harvard of central new york, syracuse university. >> me too. >> that's all right. we had good times there. so i have read the whole book, and i adore victor, as i'm sure all of you do. and the sad thing i've realized about "the dying citizen," victor, is that it leads to the dying country, and it's one of the reasons why you're sounding the alarm. let's just start with the title and why did you call it what you did. >> as i said to my friend roger, i said it's not the dead citizen, it's still dying, so
it's rest rating. >> so you're saying there's a chance. >> yeah. and if wee had this conversation let's say twoif years ago, whatever your political persuasion would be, i think we'd say the border was improving, it was secure. and you would say that the middle east was much better than it is now, and there was a new policy toward china, and maybe you could argue that the economy, while we were spending too much money, we were not grappling with a stagflation their future. so in the middle class that had its first wage increase in 12 years. and critical race theory was not so emboldened as it was in 2020 or whatever that we call it, that sort of identity politics. so whatever was going on, it wasn't as bad as it is now. so that means it can be reversed. the other thing really quickly is that the republican party was so susceptible to the character of the left. i like mitt romney, i think he
was a very decent man, but he was easily caricatureed. how ironic that was sort of craft billionaire saw that this nationalist worker populist party could be emphasizing class rather than race and we'd end up with mexican-american communities on the border electing republicans community and local leaders in fear of open borders. that's happened in my hometown as well. so i i think there's a real chae that there's going to be a new recalibration where the democratic left is going to be the party of the silicon valley heat, the very wealthy and the very subsidized poor, and then they're going to have the upper middle and middle-middle and lower middle classes. and that was inconceivable 20 years ago. and i think they're going to be the majority of the country. i'm cautiously optimistic. >> okay. well, that's good. that's good. i'm feeling better already. let's start with peasantry are,
because you talk about this used to denote a subservient, rural resident or laborer of inferior rank, but then we sort of got the middle class and that millions of americans are becoming a new version thanks to department, joblessness, declining wages and so on, new version of peasant, essentially. >> yeah. that's a funny word. it's latin for rustic but, you know, it doesn't exist in a classical latin vocabulary. there's no word. the same thing is true in greek. there's no word for peasant. there's been a word in the american lexicon for peasant, you know, calling people peasants unless there are cultural terms. there's agrarian, small farmers, yeoman, that's a foreign experience because we have a viable middle class.
and so citizen starts really to protect the property of the middle class. there is no citizenship before 26, 2700 b.c. and then this idea comes, well, the we're going to plantoy olive trees and vines, e want to pass it on to our children because they take a long time to grow, an investment, and bewant that property -- we t want that property protected. and autoof that comes these auxiliary rights. this is what jeff and tocqueville, they always said the same thing, that this country was different. maybe we doesn't really earn it, but we had all of this land and these homestead acts and the idea that people could come and be autonomous and independent on 10-acre, 20-acre, 40 acres and a rules. very classical in the idea that they were going to lack the envy of the rich, of the -- that the poor possessed and maybe the dependency of the poor, and they were going to be a bulwark of the urban rich that would try to leverage or find influence in
work-government. i'm almost quoting directly aristotle why he says you need a middle class, that it's essential to citizenship. he says one other thing i think it's borne out by history that, unfortunately, when you have a radical democracy of landless people and they feel that they're equal politically, then theyey want to be equal in every other aspect of their life. regardless of luck or talent or misfortune or good fortune. they don't need to do that because they have a world unto their own and no class. if i think we've been very successful in this country at having, you know, the v.a. bill of rights, the v.a. bill, the veterans bill and homeowner, fha homes, independent, small business that's the logical, you know, the logical urban/suburban evolution of a small farming society.
95% of the country were agrarian when we w had the constitution. now 1.5% farm. but we still have a middle class because that evolved into all of these small entrepreneurial people. and they're very essential. so when you start to lose them, and i talk about the way we're losing them, and one final thought -- i don't want to monopolize it, but when you, you can see when you lose that viability, people don't have confidence to get married, they do not have confidence to have children, and they do not have confidence to buy a home. and youuy look at the statistics on when do people get married. fifty years ago, 23 on average. 26 -- now it's about 29. and when do they have their first child? about 33. and when do they have, buy a home? it's in their late 30s. we're going down. we were up to 62% for homeowners and is now it's down to about 59 again. and those areer the things that make people conservative, that reinforce conservativism. you have to be married and worry
about children and the home and things. >> when i read the book, i was struck by the numbers that are included. one, you just mentioned now, fewer and fewer people are owning their homes. half of all renters have a net worth of under $6,000. just over half of all renting seniors have a net worth of less than $7,000. nearly half of all female-headed renter families have have less than $2,000 innocent worth. and so -- net worth. and so people are struggling. if you don't have the property and the land, never mind even a home -- >> i think people, i know -- i don't want to sound like a marxist, but i think people are very insensitive. i work on the stanford campus in a schizophrenic relationship -- [laughter] i don't want to pick on it, and then i live in sort of ground zero of immigration. what's so strange is i will hear stanford professors and people
say while it's really good that we have gas going up to $5 because of carbon emissions. they say that. but you'll speak -- my wife and i call this gas station near us the arena, because when it can undercut 10 cents or 20 cents, there arerc lines 50 cars. oran when it gets up to 105, whh is almost every day in the summer, droves of people go into walmart not to buy things, take ,apart the toys for their kids maybe and destroy the store, but they want the free air-conditioning.. and yet people will say, wow, why do we get, why do we want this air-conditioned economy? well, it's a 75 degrees in palo alto. but i don't think we're aware how thin the margin is of the middle class and how precarious people are. to the point they can't afford the stuff of life, food, fuel ask air-conditioning.
and yet, you know, this is the wealthiest country in the world. so we have to have a middle class. that was why i, i don't want to -- i don't think think of us want a he devil feudal -- medieval feudal society. california's sort of a -- >> california takes a beating. >> i know it. [laughter] >> unlike the great state of new york. [laughter] so you, there's a chapter in there that i know must be near and dear to your heart because we've talked about it many times, and that is you talk less dents. residents versus citizens. and you write about how the founders envisioned unity and homogeneity, and it used to be in this country people would immigrate to the country and within a couple of generations their native customs were all but fordevelop. we really had been a melting pot, and we didn't feel in any way threatened by immigration. the fabric of the country, the
patriotism we felt, it was all built in. and you capture how that's started to change and why we sort of cloak wallly call wokism -- >> yeah. >> -- is ripping that apart. can you expand on that? >> i think what happened is two things. the parties, each for different reasons, whatever the two parties agree on something, watch out. and they agreed on open borders. >> yep. >> the right wanted cheap labor. originally it was agriculture, but only 20% of illegal aliens, if i can dare use that term, work in agriculture now. it's -- >> do you believe in new york city there's an ordinance saying it is unlawful to use the term illegal immigrant. it's done t with malice. you can check me on that, but i'm pretty sure thanks to our mayor we have that. >> i had a 20-year war with my syndicator because i used illegal alien, and then i said it had to be illegal immigrant and then it had to be undocumented immigrant, then immigrant and now it's
derogatory, so it had to be migrant because they didn't want to prejudicean which direction a person was going when they migrated. [laughter] so it's -- the whole -- the right wanted, they wanted cheap labor. thee mexican government wanted the $30 billion in remittances. how ironic was that, that people would come and depend on entitlements in the united states to free up $200, $30 to send back to mexico because the mexican government didn't care about people. and now it's $60 billion with central americans included. and then you could argue that it was a reverse jackson turner safety valve where people said should we march on mexico city for a redress of grievances? no, let's march into the united states. so they liked it. and then the left, of course, the la razz a saw, that was a funny word because rasa, there was no la raza in the chicano
movement until about 50 years ago.o. and then people drove up the franco novel and mousse lin think -- mussolini, and they townd out this blood and soil emulation of hitler that said you couldn't be italian unless you looked a certain way, and you couldn't be spanish even if you were spaniard and even if you were living in the iberian peninsula. very anti-semitic. to they cooked up these racist terms, and then the hispanic militants took that term and reinvented it for the race. i've been attacking it so much, and finally they've changed la raza into it's you knee toes -- unitos now. they wanted to change the demography. the democratic party looked at california, and they said we're never going to have a party, a governord of reagan, pete wilso, even arnold schwarzenegger
again. and now we have a supermajority in both legislature, no statewide office that's held by a republican, and the 9th circuit, you know, the appointees are still very liberal despite trump's appointees. and finally, i think they felt that model had flipped the electoral college. so new mexico's flipped, nevada's flipped, colorado's flipped. they feel they can flip georgia, arizona. i don't think they're going to flip texas, but they believe they can. so there are all these people that a wanted open borders. the only people who didn't were the middle class w that said they'ress lowering wages. and they're flooding -- they, i'm not supposed to use the word they either, i was told -- they're flooding the emergency rooms. [laughter] i just talked to a fellow that i know very well in selma, and he said why do we want people to crowd in so my mother can't get dialysis at the dialysis clinic? or why would we want to go back to getting rid of our advanced
placement when we have all these people coming in that we don't know? and the fact that they'reop not vaccinated, and yet dr. fauci has never mentioned that, not once. heas will give a very eloquent diatribe about some poor person in the middle west doesn't get vaccinated or a know-nothing that doesn't, but we're bringing in an anticipated 2 million this physical year that will come across the border without a vaccination.n. it's almost as if the citizen is punished and the noncitizen is rewarded. and that transcends travel. so iff i -- one of the weirdest experiences when you come into lax, you always see somebody that together their passport. and they take them into that little booth, and they dress them down and then they have to call and they do -- but they're trying to make a performance art don't do that. and yet when you see these people just come across with no identification at all -- >> he was asked, fauci was asked on cnn, you know, what about the
illegal immigrants coming across the border who aren't tested, who don't get the vaccine who are just let into the country on the honor system to come back for their asylum hearing, what have you, and his response was essentially the illegal immigrants are not the cause of the pandemic. i mean, a complete dodge. my 8-year-old is not the cause of the pandemic either, but he has to have a mask on his face all day, and all three my kids i'm assuming are going of to get the vaccine whether i want them to have a it orbit. >> yeah. so i think when you confuse the citizen that has responsibility that he takes the on or she takes on this acordons to grant -- accordance to granting rights, then you're back to the 4th or 5th century a.d. where you have these migratory groups coming across the west art of the roman empire, and i'm trying to think of all the things we used to say of citizen, it was unique to the citizen. the citizen could alone go in and out of the country at will.
i think that's gone now. if you're not a citizen, you can go back to mexico or central america, come back and forth across the border without a passport. a citizen was eligible for entitlement. that's been thrown out by the courts. a resident is just as qualified. citizens alone could vote. i think if they're in school board elections, i think in massachusetts -- i know in california illegals are voting. the only thing i can think of that a citizen has a right over a resident, legal or illegal, is holding office. and i think that's you should question now too -- under question now too. so if you have just a group of people that are residents and we don't knowe much about them and we don't know what their customs or traditions are and we're not able to assimilate or integrate or intermarry them because they're not -- they're so large in number, 2 million of them, and they're going to go into enclaves, we've done this with thee, eastern europeans, but we
the host never gave up on a melting ott. >> that's it. >> we've given the message that your own particular culture will no longer necessarily be incidental to who you are, it'll be essential. and so, you know, it raises the question why are they doing this. is it they want chaos? they want anarchy? they don't want to be around these people so they kind of project, you know, some guy from bakersfield on a lift who might have a nice nanny and a landscaper, but i don't want my kids to go to school with their kids? butn't know what it is, it's almost medieval. >> you write in the book what currently threatens to change the historic pattern of immigration, assimilation and intermarriage is not sudden white racism, it's the huge number of impoverished aliens without high school diplomas who, upon arrival, are encouraged to emphasize their otherness by a mostly white
progressives heat. >> it is. >> and that's the thing, there's no more pressure to assimilate at all. in fact, tribalism is encouraged, and it's one of the main things that's dividing -- >> it is. the way, i went to a grammar school, ihe think there were 9 f us that were not mexican-american. and the way they taught us was that mrs. evans was our speech therapist. she would be put in jail now. [laughter] she would say we're all going to be successful, and to be successful this america, you must know the english language. and i don't mean know it, i mean master it. so repeat after me, i have a stick shift chevy. we'd all say it. [laughter] no, you don't, you have a stick shift chevy. and she would have a little roller. and i would repeat that, and i think i have once or twice, people get appalled. but that group that came out of that experience are very successful now. they're the city councilmen, the police, the principal. so there was this idea that --
and i thought 21 years mostly mexican-american and southeast asian -- taught -- and the children of the diaspora. and the idea is we're going to teach them latin and greek because they have the national aptitude of somebody in prep school. we're going to make a prep school of cal state-fresno, and then we would say you're going. to go to graduate school and learn italian, french and german. ii think we sent 55 to the ivy league this 21 years in classics and history and language. but our biggest problem was either white liberals on campus or the la raza people, and you said you're appropriating their culture. you're doing this,za you're doig this. meanwhile, their kids were in private school. and so that -- i think the conservative movement can really point that out. i think everybody says what can we do with the left. you can tell the left they're hypocritical and they're heatist. and i think -- elitist. and i think a lot of it is they are not comfortable with people who don't look like them. so they build up this huge
facade of caring in thead abstract. and they're -- that's more prone, i think, in teaching in academia than it is in the real world of, you know, business. >> but you write in the book about how to go beyond tribalism and the destruction of patriotism, they go hand this hand, partners in the same war. you talk about sort of the deep state and how administratively the left more and more is seen in control of regulations. never mind laws, they have far more administrative regulations than they do laws, something like 10 to 1 or some ridiculous ratio. and that has aec real way of changing the way we live, the way our t kids live. and the thing i was thinking about when i was reading the book was the regulations on college campuses and the obama, you know, friend c the letter where we got rid of due process for young hen who were accuse on college campus which is being brought back, the elimination of due processing brought back, but
administrative rules is one of the many areas this which the left seeks to avoid in some instances the constitution, the laws on the books. >> yeah. i think -- i tried in the first book, as you pointed out, peasants, residents and tribes are sort of precivilizational forces that tend to diminish citizenship. but more deliberate, top-down, not bottom-up. and i had the chapter on the evolutionaries and globalization, but the one that you're talking about, the the first of that section, was this administrative state. and i was just thinking the other day think of some people who have been in the news now. anthony fauci. okay, i have no problem, he's the highest paid federal employee. but the cdc and the national institute of allergy ask infectious diseases have even expanded control to adjudicate whether you can collect rent or not. in other words, rent agreements,
contractual legal agreements are predicated on whether there's a national health disaster or not. that's incredible. and then when we look to these gran dees and we're worried about what the origins or the nature of the virus were, we finde out very belatedly in this saga that it was the wuhan lab and the wuhan researchers with a military component involved init that research, and it appears at least it's likely that -- they have never found an animal that was infected with covid finish. and they tested 80,000. >> so it looks like it's a gain of function. and then we hear that anthony fauci, who's been adamant this was not gain of function, had been channeling $600,000 through ecohealth which was part of the adjudicators of whether or not this was true with lancet.
judge, jury and executioner of this problem. and then you say, well, maybe he's an exception. i was looking at general milley. i have utmost regard for the military, but suddenly we have a person, the chairman of the joint chiefs, chairman of the joint chiefs from 1947-53 in 2006 statutes says it's an advisory role. he's not in the chain of command. and yet he openly brags that he interrupted the chain of command, and he altered the chain of command as it applies to nuclear codes and said it has to go through me. suddenly he's not an adviser. and he did that was the opposition -- because the opposition leader in the house, nancy pelosi, told him or said to him that donald trump was crazy. but then he said under oath i don't believe he was crazy. and thendd to add insult to injury, heis calls up his counterpart in the people's army to warn him there might be a preemptive attack sometime, and w he would warn them in advance. in august of 1940 the chief of
naval operations said fdr is not hale, ask they were hiding his health, which they were. andd i think this government might want to be preemptive, but i believe yamamoto -- admiral yamamoto, i can assure you if we're going to attack you, i'll warn you. that would be absurd. and then violating -- this is something i don't understand, we, the citizens, make these laws to control people who are not elected. so we have a uniform code of military c justice that rose out of world war ii so that each service wouldn't be idiosyncratic. and itt says in article 88 the commander, commanders of one and two and three and four stars shall not disparage the commander in chief. and what have we heard? we've heard that donald trump, thetr commander in chief, was hitler, mussolini, that he should be gone sooner or later, and general milley called up a muck-raking journalist and tells him that he believes that the commander in chief is a "mein
kampf," hitler january figure. that's a violation. and yet there's no consequence. and so he's almost an emblem, fauci, of all of these people when you combine the judicial, executive and legislative branches into one bureaucratic octopus, then the citizen has lost r control. we saw it with an absolute -- i don't know what the word would, but it was very chilling for me and i think all of us when james clapper said under oath we don't spy at the nsa on anybody, and then he was caught, and he said i gave the least untruthful answer. [laughter] none of us could do that with the irs. i had a call that said you i did, but i and should have said, well, i gave you the least untruthful answer. [laughter] no consequences. there were no consequences when john brennan said we never have spied on the senate staff or computers. lie. he admitted it was a lie.
we would never have collateral damage in drone operations. i lie. he admitted it was a lie. james comey, 245 times under oath, i can't remember. what were the two central, i don't know, the foundation of the whole russian collusion hoax were two things, the steele dossier and fusion gps. robert mueller was asked directly under oath what is your opinion of both, he said i don't even know -- what, gps? i don't know. i thought, if you don't know, why did you spend $40 million ask 22ol months? it's almost an insult saying to the citizen and we the citizens say, well,e how do we, how do we redress that? who gave him such power? and where did all of these bureaucrats -- and we're just talking about the people, the conservatives support, the natural base of support of the military, the fbi, the cia tends to be people in this room. it's not the hhs, which we could
go on and on. i'm kind of getting an may noted because in 1983 -- animated the price of raisins collapsed. i mention it in the book. i didn't know that the reagan administrative committee owns your raisins whether you grew them or not. so ther price of raisins were te cost of production. so about ten of us who were flat broke said we're not going to send our raisins to be cleaned and stemed, and we get this letter saying you don't own your raisins, the administrative committee has owned them since 1937. .. >> the pace program so you didn't even own that handout was
still in existence i could go into apples versus oranges but what we've done is create all these people was a center judgen execution there's no citizen regress in the bigger and a bigr and bigger rated the irony was that donald trump, one thing about fmr. president trump and i abdidn't know him as many of the people probably did it but he seemed to hate hi and regulators and so he passed more deregulation than almost anybody and it was a tent but it was at least something the right direction. >> if you read his book, one of the things that i learned from it is that we know that the left captured our major cultural institutions, such newness but from the nuisance force in the media obviously and entertainment we could go on but the really the book, but why do you feel the water is rising all around us now is not just
culture and you can turn off the tv and choose to watch the news or you can choose one is you taken but the water rising is everywhere and for some of the reasons that w you were talking about, we are losing control of the administrative state, his awesome deep state conspiracy like the dark control, is what you were just talking about, there's a great chapter on globalism and how it's affecting the average american rated decreased wages, and imams having very little money in the bank after they t worked their whole lives, and becoming it dependent on the government even if you try hard your whole life. it goes offeg to college is in a segregated dorm. he has a right and all of the stuff is captured inn a way that you start to feel powerless and so is not just about fighting, it is so much more widespread than that. >> it is seductive and if you took the life of julia - y'all
rememberr commercial that when they were passing obama care were julia was a mythical america, we went through her lifecycle from cradle-to-grave and she was given free or prenatal as a young toddler and then she got into of programs and then into preschool and all of the way she would go to the single mom and the commercial was basically saying that you don't have to be in a bit of the sea will take care of you know the words will become part of the john boy, he was in his foot season he was in the midmorning and drinking hot chocolate vote for obama care. it's also great because is a passage in democracy in america or were told well there just talking about the tendencies of democracies to create a prolonged adolescence. the state will step in and offer its services to you and the price will be a loss of your freedom and latitude.
it is like the classical sirens the board you onto the rocks so as not something that we fight all the time, is more like a whisper in your ear and you don't to go to work right now, covid-19's been that will pay you $600 a week and stay at home, don't go out there to the port of la and left those containers, they will be fine out there more worried about you and that's how we get to where we are right it. >> so this was a rush of the other day had i asked about trump and he said the greatest thing that i thought about trump was when he said that he was like chemotherapy. and if you've got cancer, you need chemotherapy intimate be an element of toxicity to it but that's what you need to fight the cancer braided you don't turn it down, it's much bigger problem at hand the needs potentially toxic medicine. nellie's my first question pretty. >> a round of applause rated. [applause]
[applause] >> should trump go to run again for president rated. >> that is a>> lose lose hundred lose question i don't know how many asked me and every one of you this question how many bids you followed yourself and look something like this pretty his agenda was very good, and we can see it by the negative examples of the first but could made it sort of can we help somebody but it would void the tweeting and these talks like a girl. [laughter] but all that stuff and then the next thing is they'll say, defense and the ideal candidate and my answer is i don't know because i thought that about scott walker, an ideal southerner, and he is a
wonderful politician but when he got up on the stage, he did not do so well. and i don't know, there's so many known unknowns and his term and has fmr. president trump did he learn and woody hit the ground the whole team next time and nobody could blame him because he didn't have it and how big with the margins in the house and the senate accompany him. so i don't know that answer i don't think there's anybody in republican side that would go into a wisconsin bolt the 40s and 40000 people out an appeal to that constituency and yet that constituency and i think it's going to have to do that to get i if they're going to win si am neutral on it so i think that if i were to criticize him quickly, we had admitted they were to mediocre candidates in
georgia there were two charismatic socialists and everybody knew the charismatic socialists might win in georgia and either trump didn't believe it or the party didn't believe that the heavy compound not talk about prior election, his elections, said whatever happened to me, forget about it can go out to vote trust in the election of vote vote vote this is our future, we not be in the situation out kamala harris decides where the writing of electoral college or filibustering and heavy said that i'm going to campaign i can never have in 2022 midterm, i think i over use that term so much but he would've said, you know what, i might not be the the ideasperpetuate that i created that helps everybody but i can you more for everybody night think i've use
this now and for articles so i better shut up quickly that i can meet shamed or high noon on the gary cooper i can be that professional and i can do a great service i'm not sure that i'm going to run. i think it would benefit him enormously give him more choices as well pretty. >> actually the book the conclusion of talking about how the and, everything that happened in implement the left and after january 6th paying and then what happened in georgia and emboldened the left and reminded me sort of of trump and now that question about the women in the debate and we had our climate trump was the only president the past the anti- trafficking plot and he said but he's the guy who signed it pretty and there were more than
one they came to me and said he saved my life rated and this is the package at that it came in and you look at the georgia situation where i was like what is he doing, the same package. that is who he is and i don't know he really wants that pretty. >> we have a collective amnesia. if we were to say that if you are, i don't in the course of my parents and grandparents were democrats but i don't think that new deal is a solution to the depression but if we were to say, why was fdr having an affair with lucy mercer with his daughter anna being the go-between. donald trump never did that with his daughter, could you imagine if obama was doing this, so a lot of the special treatments the trump, was that we have an
interconnected different culture and technology in a lofgren different attitude about the media i can say that about some pretty gross things about presence whether it's jfk or lbj closing or bill clinton. but it didn't quite get the idea that we focus on these negative attributes of him and then we throw out this agenda and helps as you say trafficking in the middle class. in this fundamental never convert, there's argument that he was intoxicant, never seen anybody like him in public life so therefore we can nullify this very effective conservative and don't think that was a persuasive candidate pretty. >> they said something like, said he tells the truth. okay is another question, i did not hear you say about instances
of people and their activities for example, directed by the attorney general to investigate parents to criticize critical race theory by the fbi, good question. >> radical socialism, it is aor feeling that they have exalted and that any means necessary to be justified to achieve them and when i was a student, iso signaling it was any means necessary and one day they would say somebody said that her malcolm x said that what that would mean is that we come into a class for the chairs over and the distinguished historian because they were trying to show you that his art was colonialist are racist. that is deeply embedded with the
left-wing mindset so they don't feel that they have to be symmetrical so when merrick garland cannot tell us that he is evidence of a conspiracy or a plot to commit violence against school board members rather than making them feeling comfortable, he still going to be using the fbi because equity for antiracism such a noble goal, he will justify it, he will not do the empirical not say, for federal offense to harass and intimidate u.s. senator, it's a state felony in arizona to take a picturere of somebody going ad oracle is a violation of the aviation coat to get an airliner into go ranks a buddy and create a confrontation. and he will not will those are federal crimes, just like he won't say plentiful should not
be surrounded bullied up in the state of the union address and just like he won't say that jeff - can't be in an elevator and be sworn during the hearing but just as my say, i'm merrick, did senator schumer, you said at the kavanaugh you will pay for this. there was an intimidation of supreme court justice allegedly they have to be symmetrical because they feel their superior moral fiber than we are. no revealing that maryland garlic would pass himself off as his long-suffering tragic liberal figure classical liberal all along but he is now. >> he can just bring it together like nobody can string it together. [applause] when more. okay, willing to note, what
gives you most hope for the future. [laughter] gives me ate lot of hope read bt i am prejudiced. you know that old saying, cannot go on, won't go on and that is, when you look at the situation that we are having pregnant when you cannot have a nation without open borders, it just won't work and we are seeing a total when barack obama said this is not sustainable, that's pretty indicative and he feels of some kind and type people get your march - [laughter] when you look at the homeless situation you know, when my daughter was noted trump supporter calls me and said, daddy, i cannot take my three children in the spark that part because our when i could to
hotel the doorman said they did you look at the bottom of your feet when he came in pretty getting to the point where the very stuff of things is when you look at los angeles at the force and you see all of the stinkers, it is scary and containers are not moving and there's people at home not working is sustainable so something will happen and the second is that we do have a constitutional system that is durable and i feel that and then this of everybody gets out to vote in the republican party, let me stop, if the republican party can be somewhat sensible, they can have a 1930, 41994 or 2010, correction and stuff it quickly. and, what makes me kind of excited to submit reports that he first started my life, i'm
excited about the republican party have never member hundred never been a member of the republican party and look at and i think wow, why is my friend is a mexican-american highway patrolman finds it easy make be at republican oneer of these communities among the southern borders one to vote and as republicans and people of different races and i think backgrounds saying they are republicans and i thinkre they e themselves as agreed middle class and a feeling of one, and i know mexican-american person the safe sheriff in selma has more in common with the wild child of the oklahoman bakersfield than they do with their elite representatives professor at stanford so i think what we are doing is we're building very slowly, a new middle populist nationalist class and as a lot in common.
and does not have the open borders mentality was things from middle class andoe he does not trust the bureaucrats that we talked about an hour like the academic revolutionaries the one to change the constitution and the filibuster not globalist, the really one place here. i'm very happy and i talked to somebody people that i grew up with when they say things to be like, is anybody go to fresno where you work and i say no i said well to the know about selma and i said no they don't know anything about it braided they can tell you every restaurant in london or paris but they've never been to bakersfield and never will and they don't want to miss the new middle class people want to see that world are much more open minded some very optimistic about it more creating and how ironic that history is chicken,s
orange billionaire that has written off as a selfish person in a c16 other brilliant candidates the could remake the republican party and address the concerns of people in the middle east and don't know if he knew that but that's why history work sometimes, is a long wendy answer. [applause] [applause] >> thank you to victor davis hanson and alsoo to megyn kelly .[background sounds].
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