tv Victor Davis Hanson The Dying Citizen CSPAN November 10, 2021 9:09am-10:01am EST
>> buckeye broadband, along with these television companies supports c-span2 as a public service. >> with the senate out of session, join us all this week for book tv. tonight, a look at recent best sellers. we'll hear from authors and journalists, including bob woodward and robert costa and their latest, "peril", and after that victor david hanson "the dying citizen", and later political commentator ben schiller ben shapiro and the authoritarian moment. and follow along on c-span now, our new video app. >> so, good evening. i'm roger kimball the editor and publisher of the new criterion. and i think i know most people in the audience so i'm not going to do anything elaborate.
i'm going to take a page from that priest that wh auden instructed about, those who came for confession, would be brief, be blunt and be gone. [laughter] >> so, just three things. three things. first, welcome, welcome to you, our friends, friends. new criterion. we would not be having events like this were it not for your support. so thank you for coming. and welcome, welcome. and the reason for this event, of course, is beside the new criterion's 40th anniversary and please take-- feel free to take a magazine, is the launch of victor davis hanson's important new book "the dying citizen." his publisher, which to my great sorrow is not in counter books, but a lesser publisher so they lucked out with this one. it might be victor's most
important book and you know he's written a string of important books. it's about-- everyone thinks the citizen as being something that's been around forever. well, it's not true and victor has written what i think is going to be one of the books of the year, if not one of the books of this new decade. so, please feel free to take a copy. remember, its title, remember the publisher so you can stock up for real for your holiday shopping purchases. i also want to do some thank yous. there are several people in this room who, without whose support the new criterion would not exist. i won't embarrass you by naming you, but i want to single out the hoover institution and the robert augusta nelly foundation who helped make the evening
itself possible. i'm delighted -- i think we're going to be joined by any moment by megyn kelly who will do the interview. seal' introduce an element of candor and glamour that's generally foreign to the halls of any institution whose activities take place under the name of harvard, but we're delighted that she could do this. and two logistical things. i mentioned the book so feel free to go out and grab a copy of the book. if you happen to get a copy that's not signed, you can button hole victor, he will sign it. the second thing is, i expect this interview to be entirely illuminating, but it's conceivable that it will be so illuminating that there will be one or two questions that form in the mind as you're listening to things. but please don't jump up and
ask a question, but i want you to snag my colleague, isaac, who is here someplace, or megyn kelly's assistant abby who is here someplace, they will make themselves known. there's isaac, there's isaac. and they will greet you with a card and a pen and you can indescribe your question and megyn will scrutinize them for punch, pertinent and profund ity and do the appropriate triage. so, where is megyn? i feel like johnnie the chap who introduced johnny carson. she's here someplace. [applause] >> hi, guys. hi. thank you very much. >> megyn. >> hi, good to see you, too, thank you for that. >> thank you very much. of course i have my own, but i'm condensed it into this note form. how are you? >> pretty good. >> how are you guys? good.
this is as close as i'm ever going to get to harvard. i went to the harvard of central new york, syracuse university. >> me, too. >> that's right. we had good times there. so i read the whole book and i adore victor as i'm sure you all do and the sad thing i've realized about the dying citizen, victor, it leads to the dying country, and it's one of the reasons why you're sounding the alarm, i think. so let's start with the title and why you called it what you did. >> and well, as i said to my friend roger when he asked that question, i said it's not the death, it's dieing, it's rest patrioting. >> so you're saying there's a chance. >> yes. if we had this conversation two years ago, whatever your political persuasion would be, i think we'd say the border was improving, it's secure and you would say that the middle east was much better than it is now, and there was a new policy toward china, and maybe you could argue that the economy,
while we were spending too much money, we were not grappling with a stagflationry future. so in the middle class, the first increase in real wages in 12 years, and critical race theory was not so emboldened as it was in 2020 or whatever we call it that sort of jacobian politics whatever we call it. and that means it could be reversed. the other thing quickly, megyn, the republican party was so susceptible to the character of the left. and i like mitt romney, but he was easily characterized as the grandee. how ironic a guy a sort of craft billionaire that saw this nationalist worker populist party could it emphasize class rather than race and we'd end up with mexican american communities on the border
electing republican community and local leaders in fear of open borders. that's happened in my hometown as well. i think there's a real chance that there's going to be a new recalibration where the democratic left is going to be the party of the silicon valley elite, very wealthy and the very subsidized poor and then you're going to have the upper middle, and middle middle and lower middle classes and that was inconceivable 20 years and i think they're going to be the majority of the country. i'm cautiously optimistic. >> okay, that's good. i'm feeling better already. let's start with peasantry. >> you talked to it used to be laborer of inferior rank and then we sort of got the middle class. and that millions of americans are becoming a new version, thanks to debt, joblessness, declining wages, so on, new version of peasant. >> it's a funny word from latin
for rustic, but it doesn't exist in the classical latin vocabulary. and there's no word for peasant. i don't think there's been a work in the lexicon as peasant unless -- there's small farmers, free holders and yeomen, so that's a foreign experience of ours, and we had a viable middle class. so citizen starts to middle class. and there's no citizen until 2600 boynton beaching to our children to grow an investment and 2600bc. and vying and we want the property protected and out of
that, comes the auxiliary rights and so, this is what jefferson and said the same thing, this can unt was different, maybe we didn't really earn it, but we had all of this land, and these homestead acts and the idea that people could come and be autonomous and independent on 10 acre, 20 acres, 40 acres and a mule were classic, in that they were going to lack the envy of the rich, of the poor, possessed and maybe the dependency of the poor and they were going to be a bulwark of the rich, finding influence in work government. i'm almost quoting aristotle directly why you need a middle class. it's essential to citizenship. he said one thing, born out by history, unfortunately when you have a radical democracy of landless people and feel they're equally politically then they want to be equal in
every other aspect of their lives, regardless of luck or talent, or misfortune or good fortune. what the independent, they don't need to do that because they have a world of their own in middle class. and i think we've been successful in this country of having, you know, the va bill of rights, the va bill, veterans bill and home owner, fha, trucker, independent business. and that's the logical, urban-suburban evolution of a small farming society. 95% of the country were agrarian when we wrote the constitution and now 1 1/2% farm. we still have a middle class because it evolved into small entrepreneurial people and they're essential and i talk about the way we're losing them and one final thought, i don't want to mon oplize it.
you can see when you lose the viability, then people don't have confidence to get married, they do not have confidence to have children and they do not have confidence to buy a home and you look at the statistics and when do people get married? 50 years ago, 23 on average, 26, 20-- now it's about 29, and when do they have their first child, about 33 and when do they buy a home, it's in their late 30's. we were up to 62% home owners and now it's down to 59 again. and those things that make people conservative and when you have to be married and worry about children and the home and things. >> when i read the book. i was struck by the numbers included. one, you you just mentioned now few and fewer people are owning their homes and three out of eight homes are rentals, half of all rentals, a net worth under $6,000.
renting seniors less than 7,000. head of female renters families less than $2,000 net worth so people are struggling. >> they are. they don't have the property and land never mind a home now i think that people-- i don't want to sound like a marxist, but i think people are-- i work on the stanford campus and it's a schizophrenic relationship between-- i don't like palo alto, but i don't want to live on it and i live in a sort of ground zero-- we have a hispanic middle class, but strange that stanford and professors say, well it's good that we have gas going up to $5 because of carbon emission, but they'll say that, and my wife and i call this gas station near us the arena because when it can undercut 10 cents or 20 cents, there are lines 50 cars outside of mexican american people. or when it's up to 105 almost
every day in the summer, droves of people go into walmart, not to buy things, to take apart the toys for their kids maybe and destroy the store, but they want the free air conditioning and yet people on the coast will say, wow, why do we get-- why do we want this air conditioned economy. well, it's 75 degrees in palo alto, i don't think we're aware of the thin the margin of the middle class and precarious and they fall out and they can't afford food, fuel, and air conditioning, and yet, you know, this is the wealthiest country in the world. so, we have to have a middle class and that was why i don't want to-- i don't think any of us want a medieval, feudal society. >> california takes a beating. >> i know it. [laughter] >> unlike the great state of new york.
so you -- there's a chapter in there that i know must be near and dear to your heart we've talked about it many times and you talk about it residence. residents, versus citizens. and you wrote how the founders envisioned unity and it used to be in country people would immigrate to the country and native customs were all, but forgotten. and we didn't feel threatened by immigration and the patriotism we felt how that's built in. and you captured how that changed and how we call wokism is tearing that apart. can you explain. >> two things, two parties--
whenever the two parties agree on something, watch out. they agreed on open borders, right wanted cheap labor originally agriculture. but% of illegal aliens if i can use that term-- >> in new york, it's unlawful to use the term illegal aliens. >> and i had a war with my syndicator, that said illegal alien, it had to be illegal immigrant, and then undocumented immigrant, and it couldn't be immigrant, it had to be migrant and they didn't want to prejudice where the person was going when they migrated. the whole thought they wanted cheap labor. the mexican government wanted 30 billion in remittances, how
ironic, people would go to the united states and free up 200, or 300, so the mexican government. and 60 billion with central america. and reverse safety valve and people said should we mark on mexico city for grievances? no, let's mark on the united states. so they liked it. ap the left, laraza. and from latin, there was no laraza in the chicano movement until 50 years ago and they did you go up raza and mussolini and two z's in italian and found the blood and soil emlation of hitler, that said you couldn't be italian unless you looked a certain way and you couldn't be spanish, even
if you were spaniard and living in the iberian peninsula, very anti-semitic so they cooked up these racist terms and then the hispanic militants took that term and reinvented it for the race. and attacking so much and changed laraza, and i think it's unidos now. they want today change it and california said we're never going to have a party, a government of reagan, pete wilson, even arnold schwarzenegger again. and the 9th circuit, apointees still very liberal despite trump's appointees and finally, i think they felt that model could flip the electoral college, so new mexico flipped, nevada flipped, colorado
flipped. they feel they can flip georgia, arizona. i don't think they're going to flip texas, but they believe they can. there are all of these people that wanted open borders. the only people who didn't were the middle class that said they're lowering wages. and they're flooding they, i'm not supposed to use the word "they" either i'm told. they're flooding the emergency room. and i talked to a fellow i know very well in selma and he says, why do we want people to crowd into so my mother can't get dialysis at the dialysis clinic. why would we want to go to bilingual education and advanced placement and we have all the people coming in we don't know. and the fact they're not vaccinated and dr. fauci has not mentioned that, not once. he'll give an eloquent diatribe about some poor person in the middle west that doesn't get vaccinated ar know nothing, but bringing in two million this
year coming across the border without a vaccination. it's almost as if the citizen is punished and the non-citizen is rewarded, and that transcends to travel. so, if i-- one of the weirdest experiences when you come into lax you find somebody that forgot their passport and they take them into that booth and dress them down and then they have to call and they do-- but they're trying it make a performance art, don't do that yet when you see the people just come across with no identification at all. >> fauci was asked by dania bash on cnn what about illegal immigrants coming across the border, novak and honor system to come back, no, vaccine. >> and his answer was the illegal immigrants are not the cause of the pandemic. a complete dodge. >> my eight-year-old is not the cause of the pandemic either, but he has to have a mask on
his face all day and all three of my kids assuming are going to have to have the vaccine whether i want them to or not. >> when you confuse the citizen, that he takes on or she takes on in granting the rights to the resident you're back to the 4th or 5th century groups. ad across the roman empire, the north, and i'm trying it think of the things we used to be unique for the citizen. the citizen alone could go in and out of the country at well. if you're not a citizen, go to mexico, central america, back and forth without a passport. the citizen was entitledments, that's thrown out by the courts, a resident is just as qualified. a citizen alone could vote. i think on scoreboard
elections, i know in california they're voting. and legal or illegal, holding office and i think that's under question now, too. if you have a group of people that are residents and we don't know much about them and we don't know if what their customs or traditions are, and we're not able to assimilate or integrate or intermarry them because they're so large in number, two million of them and they're going to go into enclaves, we've done this at periods with the eastern europeans, but we've, we the host, never gave up on the melting pot. we've given the message to all of this is, you know, your own particular culture will no longer necessarily be interdental to who you are, it will be essential. and so, now, it raises the question, why are they doing this? is it they want chaos, they want anarchy, they don't want to be around the people so they
kind of project that they're, you know, if some guy on bakersfield from a forklift, but i have a nice nanny and landscaper, i don't want my kids to go to school with their kids, it's almost medieval 6789. >> and you wrote, what threatens to change the mexican and latin american integration, and intermarriage, it's not huge number of improverished who upon arrival are encouraged to emphasize their otherness by a mostly white progressive elite. that's the thing, there's no call to intergralt, and tribalism is encouraged. >> and the way i want to grammar school and nine of husband weren't mexican american, and mrs. evans,
speech therapist. we'd be put in jail. in america, you must be successful and you must know the english language. repeat after me, i have a stick shift chevy. we'd all say it. i've got a stick shift chevy and if i would repeat it, i have once or twice, people get appalled. but that group that came out of that experience are very successful now, they're the city councilman, or the police, or the principal. and so there was this idea that, and i taught 21 years mostly mexican american and southeast asian kids and the children of the diaspora. and we're going to teach them latin or greek, and we'll say you're going to graduate school and learn italian, french or german and we sent 55 to the
ivy leagues, in classics and history and language, but our biggest problem was either white liberals on campus, or the laraza people and they're appropriating the culture. you're doing this and meanwhile their kids were private school. i think that the conservative movement can really point that out. i think everybody says what can we do with the left? you can tell the left they're hypocritical and elitist and i think a lots of it is they are not comfortable with people who don't look like them and they build up a huge facade in the abstract. and that's more in academia than the real world business. >> and you write beyond tribalism and destruction of prism, and partners in the same war, hand in hand. and talk about the deep state
and how administratively the left more and more is seizing control of regulations and never mind laws, they have far more administration regulations than laws, 10 to 1 or some recollection ratio, and so, that has a real way of changing the way we live, the way our kids live and the thing i was thinking about when i was reading the book, the regulations on college campuses and the obama friend letter we got rid of tew process foreyoung men on campus, but administrative rules can change our lives in a massive way, one of the areas in which the left has seized control and seeks to avoid in some instances the constitution, the laws on the books. >> yeah, i think, i write in the first book as you pointed out, peasants, residents, and tribes, are sort of pre civilizational forces, organic
forces that tend to diminish citizenship, but deliberate top down, not bottom up, and i had the chapter on the evolutionaries and globalization. the one that you're talking about, the first of the section was the administrative state and i was just thinking the other day, think of people who have been in the news lately. anthony fauci, okay i have no problem he's the highest paid federal employee, but the c.d.c. and national institute of allergy and infectious diseases have expanded their control to adjudicate whether you can collect rent or not. in other words, rent agreements, contractual legal agreements are predicated whether there's a national health disaster or not. that's incredible. and then when we look to these grandees and we're worried about whether, where what the origins or the nature of the virus were, we find out belatedly this this saga that it was the wuhan lab and the
wuhan researchers with the military component involved in that research, and that it appears it's likely that the-- they have never found an animal infected with covid. >> they studied, tested 80,000 of them. >> 80,000. so it looks like it's a gain of function, and then we hear that anthony fauci, who has been adamant that this was not gain of function, had had been channelling 600,000 through echo health, which echo health was part of the adjudicators of whether this was true or not with lancet. so, this is a person who was judge, jury and executioners of this problem. and then you say, well, maybe he's an exception. i was looking at general milley. i have the utmost record for the military, but suddenly a person the chairman. joint chiefs, chairman of the joint chiefs from 1947, 53, and 2006 statute says it's an advisory role. he's not in the chain of command. and yet, he openly brags that
he interrupted the chain of command and he altered the chain of command as it applies to nuclear codes and says he has to go through me. suddenly he's not an advisor and he did this because the opposition leader in the house, nancy pelosi told him, or said to him that donald trump was crazy. but then he says under oath, i don't believe he was crazy. and then to add insult to injury he calls up his counterpart on the people's liberation army to warn him there might be a preemptive attack sometime and would he warn him in advance, as if a night in august of 1940, that the chief of naval operations said fdr is not hail and hiding his health which they were and we've been preemptive with the oil embargo and i think this government might want to be preemptive and yamamoto, i can assure you we would warn you if we're going to attack you. that would be absurd. and then violating, and this is something i don't understand, we as citizens make these laws
to control people who are not elected. so we have a uniform code of military justice that arose out of world war ii so the service wouldn't be ideosyncratic, they would be on the same field and says in article 88. the commander, commanders of one and two and three and four stars shall not disparage the commander-in-chief. and what have we heard? we've heard that donald trump, the commander-in-chief was hitler, mussolini, that he should be gone sooner or later, and general milley calls up a muck-raking journalist and tells that he believes that the commander-in-chief is a mein kampf, and fauci and all of those when you combine them into one bureaucratic octopus, then, the citizen has lost control. and we saw it with an absolute,
i don'ten what the word would-- it was chilling for me, all of us when james clapper said under oath, we don't spy in nsa on anybody and then he was caught and he said i gave the least untruthful answer. none of us could do that with the irs. if you said, i had a call from the irs and said, you didn't report it and i did, but i could have said, well, i gave you the least untruthful answer. there was no-- there were no consequences when john brennan said we never have spied in the cia on the senate staffers computers. lie. he admitted it was a lie. we would never have collateral damage and drone operations, lie. he admitted it was a lie. james comey, 245 times under oath, i can't remember. and what were the two central, i don't know, the foundation of the whole russian collusion hoax were two things, the steel dossier and dps and robert
mueller was asked directly under oath and he said i don't know what they were. gps, steele, i don't know. if you don't know why did you spend 40 million dollars in 22 months. it's almost an insult they're saying to the citizen, that we the citizen say, well, how do we -- how do we redress that? who gave them such power? and where did we-- where did all of these bureaucrats and we're just talking about the people that conservatives support. the natural base of support of the military, the fbi, the cia tend to be people in this room. it's not the hhs which we could go on and on, i'm kind of getting animated because in 1983 the collapse-- i mentioned in the book, i didn't know that the raisin committee owned your raise ps whether you grew them or not. the price of raisins were below cost of production. ten of us who were flat broke
said we're not going to send ours to be cleaned and stemmed and sold by sun maid. and we get a letter, you don't own the raisins. the committee owned them since 1937. and i said, i called the guy up and i said, are you serious? >> he said yes. and if you hold them back, we will come and comfy -- confiscate them 84% of them. >> what are you going to do? >> we'll give them as cattle feed or export them. and you didn't own them and that law is in existing. and i could go in with oranges. we've created these people who as i said are judge, jury, executioners and there is there is no redress. the irony is that donald trump who, you know, one thing about trump, and i didn't know him as many people in this room probably did, but he seemed to hate high interest and he hated
regulators. so, he passed more deregulation than almost anybody, and it was just a dent, but at least it was something in the right direction. >> you know, it's amazing about trump, if you read his book, one of the things i learned from it, is we know that the left has captured most of power major cultural institutions, from news to sports, media, obviously, entertainment, we could go on. but the book puts meat on the bones, why do you feel sort of this with therator rising all around us now. it's not just culture, you can turn off the tv and choose not to watch the oscars, emmy's,choose what news you take it, but it's the feeling of the water rising is everywhere and some of the reasons that you're talking about, we're losing control of the administrative state. it's not some deep state conspiracy like the dark control, it's like what you were just talking about, there's a great chapter on globalization and how that's affecting the average american.
the decreased wages, our moms having very little money in the bank even though they worked their whole lives and sort of depending on the government. and your kid goes to college and he's in a segregated dorm and no rights if he's accused out of the blue. all this have captured in a way that you feel a little powerless so it's not just about fighting wokism, it's so much widespread than that. >> it's seductive and that's what-- if you took the life of julia-- >> oh, yeah. >> thank you. >> do you all of you remember that life of julia commercial they ran to pass obamacare where julia was a mythical american and cradle to grave we went through her life cycle. she was given free pre nayed -- she was a single mom and the
commercial says you don't have to be independent the state will take care of you and the counterpart, the pajama boy with the footies, and vote for obamacare. and it's almost eerie, and there's a passage in america, the tendencies of democracy to create a prolonged adolescent. he says you better be careful because the state will step in and offer its services to you, and the price will be a loss of your own freedom and latitude like the classical siren that lure you onto the rocks. it's not something we fight all the time. they whisper in your ear, you really don't need to go to work right now. covid has been really bad. we'll pay you $600 a week, stay home. don't go out there to the port of l.a. and lift those containers on a forklift. they'll be fine out there. we're worried about you. and that's how we get to where
we are. >> so victor was on my show the other day and i asked him about trump and he said the greatest thing, i thought, about trump which was he said trump was like chemotherapy. you know, and if you've got cancer, you need chemotherapy and it may come and there may be an element of toxicity to it, but that's what you need to fight the cancer and don't turn it down. there's a much bigger problem at hand that needs a potentially toxic medicine and leads me to my first audience question. >> first, round of applause. [applause] >> these people did not put their names on them. should trump, one, be active in the midterms, two, run for president? >> oh wow, it's a lose-lose question. i don't know how many people have asked me and any one of you in your questions, and how many in your dark minds you follow yourself.
his agenda was very good, and we can see it by the negative examples of the first, but couldn't maybe, sort of couldn't we have somebody who would be an emissary of the maga agenda, but avoid the tweeting and saying that-- >> trump adjacent. >> and pence. >> and i don't know. i thought that about scott walker, an ideal governor, a wonderful politician, when he got on the stage, he did nt do too well and so many unknowns, if donald trump would he hit the ground running with a whole team which he wasn't able to do that before. and nobody could blame him, with the leftism emboldened and
how many in the house and senate accompany him? so i don't know that answer. but i don't think there's anybody on the republican side that can go into a michigan, or a wisconsin, cold night and get 40,000 people out and appeal to that constituency, and yet, that and i think they're going to have to do that if they're going to win. i'm neutral. if i were to criticize him quickly, we had admitted there were two mediocre republican candidates in georgia and they were two charismatic socialists and everybody knew that the charismatic socialists might win in georgia and either trump didn't believe it or the party didn't believe it, had he gone down there and not talked about the prior election, his election, but said whatever happened to me, forget about it, go out to vote. trust in the election, vote, vote, vote. this is our future hangs on it,
we wouldn't be in this situation now. where kamala harris decides whether we'll have an electoral college or a filibuster. and he had said i'm going to campaign like i never have in the 2022 midterms. i think i overused that term so much. he would have been a tragic hero, he would have said i might not be the person to perpetuate the ideas that i created, that helped everybody, but i can do more for everybody and then i think i've used this now in four articles, i better shut up quickly, but i can be shane, or the high noon gary cooper or i can be the professionals or i can be the magnificent seven and i can do a great, great service, but i'm not sure that i'm going to run. and i think it would benefit him enormously and give him more choices as well. >> you watch that georgia situation and the book does a nice job in conclusion talking
about how the end, you know, after trump lost and everything that happened from that point forward emboldened the left. >> it did. >> the january 6th thing, and what happened in georgia and all of it emboldened the left and reminded me sort of of trump and famous or infamous question about the women at the debate, and fine, we had our sparring, but trump is the only person that could go on to pass the anti-sex trafficking law. right? so trump said not nice thing, but he's the guy that signed it and i've had more than one sex trafficking victim come to me and say he changed my life and you look at trump, this is the package that came in, this is the package that came in and look at the georgia situation, well, what is he doing? same package. and that's just who he is. right? i don't know if he is controllable, even if he really wanted to. >> we have a collective amnesia, if we were to say fdr,
i didn't agree-- i wasn't alive and my parents and grandparents were fdr democrats, but i don't think the new deal was the solution to the depression, but if we were to say, why was fdr having an affair with lucy mercer with his daughter anna being the go-between. donald trump never did that with his daughter. can you imagine if ivanka was doing it. and so the special treatment trump got was we had an interconnected different culture and technology and empowered left and a different attitude about the media and i could say that about some pretty gross things about presidents, whether it's jfk bedding a staffer or lbj exposing himself. >> what about clinton? hello. >> and i didn't quite get the idea that we focused on the negative attributes of him and then we fill out this agenda that helped, as you say,
trafficking or the middle class. but that gets back to this fundamental never trumper versus-- their argument was he was so toxic, we've never seen anybody like him in public life so therefore, we can nullify that message. >> remind me of a hannity said to me privately, trump's problems is not that he lies. trump's problem is that he tells the truth. another question, i did not hear you word evil when referring to the deep state. are there not instances of evil. for example, this for the attorney general to call in the fbi to investigate parents who criticize critical race theory? >> i think that's at the heart of what jacobism, or--
it's a feeling that they have such exalted ends that any means necessary could be justified to achieve them. i was a student, i got so sick, i was at u.k. santa cruz and all i heard any means necessary. and they said that's what frans said that or malcolm x would mean they'd come into the class and put the chairs over and show that the art was colonelalism-- and that's deeply embedded with the mindset. so when merrick garland can't tell us that he's had evidence of a con spearsy or racketeering, and making them feel uncomfortably. he's going to use the fbi because equity and anti-racism,
such a noble goal it will justify it. what he will not do is be empirical. he will not say, it's a federal offense to harass and intimidate a u.s. senator. and it's a state felony in arizona to take a picture of somebody going to the stall and then put it on the internet, or it is a violation of a federal aviation code to get on an airliner and go harangue somebody and try to create a confrontation. and he will not-- those are federal crimes, just like he won't say that rand paul and his wife, a senator, should not be surrounded and bullied after the state of the union address, just like he won't say that jeff flake can't be in an elevator and be swarmed during the kavanaugh hearing or just as he might say, i'm merrick garland and senator schumer you had a mob outside the supreme court and you said kavanaugh gorsuch,
you're going to pay for this. and that's intimidating a supreme court justice. they don't have to be symmetrical, because they feel they're superior fiber than we are. how revealing merrick garland who passed himself as this long suffering tragic liberal figure was all along what he is now. >> and aren't there moments you want to stand up and cheer? he can string it together like nobody can string it together. that's impressive. [applause] >> can i squeeze in two more, one more? >> one more. >> a good one. >> this is a nice one. >> we'll leave it on an up note. >> what gives you the most hope for the future. >> what's that? >> what gives you the most hope for the future? >> well, [inaudible] . [laughter] >> new criteria gives me a lot of hope, but i'm prejudice. you know, that old saying, what can't go on won't go on and
that is when you look at the situation that we're having right now, you cannot have a nation with open borders, it won't work. we're seeing it-- when barack obama says this is not sustainable, that's pretty indicative. he feels sometimes people are going to get near martha's vineyard. [laughter]. when you look at the homeless situation, when my daughter who was not a trump supporter calls me and says, dad, i can't take my three children to this park or that park because of feces, or when i go to a san francisco hotel and the doorman says, sir, did you look at the bottom of your feet when you came in? we're getting to the point where the very stuff of things are, when you look out the port of los angeles and you see all of those tankers, it's scary. and the containers are not moving and there's people home not working. and so, that's not sustainable. so something's going to happen.
and the second is, we do have a constitutional system that's pretty durable and i feel that in this mid term, if everybody gets out to vote and the republican party, that's hard to -- let me stop. if the republican party can be somewhat sensible, they can have a 1938 or 1994, 2010 correction and stop it very quickly. and the-- what makes me kind of excited, i mentioned before is that i'm for the first time in my life excited about the republican party. i've never been a member of the republican party, been an independent recently and i look at it and i think, wow, why is my friend, who is a mexican american highway patrolman so eager to be a republican? and why are these communities along the southern border so eager to be republicans and voting in republicans? and why are for the first time in my life people of different
races and ethic backgrounds saying they're republicans? and i think they see themselves as an aggrieved middle class. and they feel that they have more in common, i know that a mexican american person that's a sheriff in salma has more in common with a white child of the oklahoma diaspora and bakersfield than they do with their elite representative chicano studies professor at stanford. so i think what we're doing, we're building very slowly a new middle populous nationalist class that has a lot in common and it does not trust the open borders mentality, it does not trust identity politics, it wants things for the middle class, it does not trust the bureaucrats that we talked about. it surely doesn't like these academic evolutionaries that want to change the constitution and the filibuster. they're not globalists.
i'm very happy when we talk to so many people i grew up with and they say things to me like, hey, victor, has anybody gone to prison where you work? i said no, do they know about salma best-- >> no, they don't know anything about us, they can tell you every restaurant in london or paris, but they've never been to delano or bakersfield or modesto, and they never will and they don't want to, but the new middle class people want to go to palo alto and want to see that world and they're much more open-mindened and i'm optimistic about that and how ironic that history is. it's melodramatic, and we get the orange billionaire who is written off an a crass, and he sees something that 16 other candidates didn't, and remake the republican party and address concerns of the people in the middle east and i don't know if he knew that, but
that's how history works, and that's a long winded answer we've got a lot to be hopeful for. leave it at that. >> thank you. [applause]. >> so, please help yourself to another drink and thank you to victor and megyn kelly. >> anytime, it's an honor. [inaudible conversations] ♪♪ >> weekends on c-span2 are an intellectual feast. every saturday, american history tv documents america's story and on sunday, book tv brings you the limited nonfiction books and authors. funding for c-span2 comes from these television companies and more, including comcast.
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