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welcome i am here to bring events to this event. before we launch into this discussion life on the line i would like to share some history. it was foundede in 1927 on fourh avenue's book route. but grow gradually informed from 48 bookstores until after 92 years the sole survivor by nancy best wine we would like to take all of you for your support what i learned from booklovers and authors we would not be here today. tonight were thrilled to have emmett goldberg life on the line, young doctors in a pandemic. emma goldberg is a reporter at the newin york times with the health and science, styles, gender, national and culture among others undercover stories have featured surgeon moms, young women's for office in low-income medical students. to start the coronavirus outbreak she turned her focus to students, decisions in nurses battling the pandemic. she is the winner of the club of
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new york best new journalist award in the foundation sydney award. she received her bachelors at yale and masters at cambridge university. joining a conversation tonight, she joined the new york times editorial board in april 2018 where sheth covers politics. >> and msnbc political analyst to discuss national politics. before the times she covered bill de blasio michael bloomberg at the city hall recorder. for daily news and the wall street journal. in 2011 to may 2013 she served as a national features reporter a digital publication by new sport in their first job she was a staff editor from washington, d.c. she began her career at the columnist and editorial board writer for the michigan daily at the university of michigan in ann arbor. in brooklyn and westchester, and
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new york city in the great outdoors. without further ado please welcome emma goldberg to the stage. >> hello everybody my name is mara gay and i'm lucky enough to be a colleague of emma goldberg and also dear friend. i am so proud that she is here at her hometown bookstore able to talk about her first book life on the line and i just want to divee right in, she is the star and i hope you'll bear with me it is my first time moderating. i apologize in advance. emma, congratulations i am so excited for you. i'm just wondering if you could start by telling us a little bit about the subject matter. your book is among the first to be published anywhere about
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newark's first wave in covid which was brutal. some folks may have a hard time reading about the pandemic especially what happened in new york city. as were moving toward her marching toward reopening, why do you think it's important to keep writing and talking about front-line communities and providers and what they end we saw in new york last year? >> first of all i want to say am so grateful i was in conversation with mara. covering the new york city primaries coming up. i'm grateful that we get to steal her away for a night and so much essential coverage of the pandemic. another really great question and a place to start. i definitely have heard from some people that the book is come out, isn't it a little too soon to process or read or s tak about the stories that it come out? over the last year?
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and first of all i am hoping the book is just a snapshot of one momentop in time, awards, crisi, that is very much ongoing. around the world and also in the u.s. particularly in communities where you have been able to access or having gotten a vaccine. this is a crisis ongoing in the book is just a time capsule of some of the early weeks here in new york city. to me it was a really powerful story to tell in a powerful way to zoom in on that particular moment in time. the early weeks of the pandemic in newark were eerily a frightening time for a lot of different reasons. first of all the streets were very much empty and the hospitals were packed. then all you could really hear was the sound of sirens and both of us it was an eerie time
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because there was a paralysis, a lot of the ways that we used to interact with the city evaporated and we could not be of the recording and all the same ways that we normally were. for me it was a gift to connect with a group of young people who were stepping in and stepping onto the front lines and doing something incredibly valuable for the city at a moment when so many people were struggling to figure out how to respond. i was really grateful to connect with young doctors. >> can you talk just for a moment about what it was like to be a reporter in those early days of the pandemic. i imagine that is when you laid the groundwork for this book. people imagine going out reporting on the street but what kind of work were you doing that helped for this book. >> i'm so glad you asked that it was a strange time particularly in the early weeks.
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i started doing a little reporting on medical students and how they were responding to the b crisis. one of the fascinating experiences was realizing and someways what reporters were experiencing was mirrored by your medical students. in march an early april they were stuck at home and wondering how they could put their skills to use a lot of them were sent home from the hospitals and a lot were expressing a similar thing to a large extent locked in our homes and unable to be in the hospitals. i found myself connecting with the final year medical students who knew that they had the skills to help out but c weren't sure they would have the opportunity to do so. and then i ended up reporting a story for the times about the medical students who had the opportunity to graduate early and dive into the medical care. some of them graduated on a friday and that monday they started working in the
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hospitals. so they just went straight to the front line and that for me as someone around the same age even living not that far, that was an inspiring thing to watch that they were diving into the crisis. >> that is a great jumping off point. for those of you that have not gotten a chance to read the book, it probably will not take yousi long. i met, this is embarrassing but sometimes it is hard for me too take time to get their books these days. but emma i got two years in no time. it was a weekend. the book follows a small group of medical students who are graduating in the pandemic. i hope i'm not missing any button there stories are extremely compelling and the thing that is striking these are young c people. these are ordinary folks who were dropped in to something very difficult and historic. they have shown extraordinary
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reserves of courage, where you think that comes from when you're talking about these young graduates. >> one of the greatest gifts of the reporting was getting to see their definition and their dramatic effect. just the spirit. i think one of the most inspiring things was seeing how the definitions and understanding of courage but sort of change in real time as they started to do the work that they were trying to do. i think at the beginning i anticipated that the greatest fear would really come from what so many of us were experiencing, just the fear of an unknown and terrifyingng virus. something i was really excited to see, all of them drove into
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the work without a lot of fear of falling sick themselves. where the fear really came from was a worry that they wouldn't be able to do the lifesaving work that they wanted to do. i remember one of them in their first week of work she admitted the patient and this is one of her first patients and she introduced herself and had the extremes of telling him she was good to be his dr. which for her was a shock to the system it was her first time saying she was a doctor and after a few hours, he passed away. she had t this moment of feeling like she shouldn't have volunteered to work in the covid award. she felt simultaneously that maybe she didn't have the right to feel that grief because she voluntarily showed up to do the work. where others had been called to do thisy work they had early ben
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spending years or decades work in the medical field. she felt a sense of guilt, feeling sad and her feeling like she wasn't able to save this patient's life which was the reason why she went into the medical field in the first place. so i think that review is fascinating when she called me too tell me that she was experiencing the layers of guilt and grief. and for her the courage was not necessarily in doing the work. she knew she had to do the work and put her own health and her own body onn the line. the courage was grappling with the layers of what she was and wasn't able to do and she potentially window been able to do this while doing the lifesaving work. it was really a shift to understand what courage really means for people doing the work that they've always known that they wanted to entrain to do. >> i want to go back to the beginning for a moment.
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to the first question that i asked you. as i'm listening to you talk and as i. reporter: the book, i was thinking about how difficult it is to look out and write and share the stories. especially at a time when so many americans especially are looking forward to pretended like the pandemic is over or hot fun summer, what have you. i'm wondering if you could give readers a sense of why you felt mission down to tell the stories. so many have a hard time looking at. >> that the really important question. i was reading recently why there aren't that many monuments were
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memorials to the 1918 pandemic. one of the arguments made first of all there was a rush to get forget the national trauma and a rush to develop a narrative that what had happened some foreign agent of disease had come from abroad and tried to take down the u.s. and the u.s. had battled back and rushed into the 1920s in the rain 20s. i assumed under the narrative of war in the u.s. conquering something unknown and rushing into the next decade. i think that is a natural response to crisis is to blame the other or the xenophobia narrative and point fingers and then rushing back to normalcy without remembering how many people are not quarantined under normal times anyways. i think the current pandemic has a lot of lessons a for us about
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racial health disparities, inequities, who isn't driving and who doesn't flourish under normal times. there is so much to learn and so much to process and there's a real risk that will fall into the narrative of the other in the great u.s. rushing back into normal times. i think it's so important to push back in process and remembering who is vulnerable before and more vulnerable during the pandemic and what we other communities who suffered over the course of the last year. >> that is a great segue. several of the doctors that you followed are underrepresented minority groups. was that a conscious decision on your part. >> i really wanted a group of doctors who are in the book to represent a new generation of american medicine. also a new desire of identities
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that draw people to the medical field. for that reason i wanted to seek out doctors whose identity is essential to the medical care whether that's a first generation americans or a certain degree of skepticism of the u.s. healthcare system or gabriella who is hispanic and told growing upn that maybe she shouldn't bother pursuing medicine where she shouldn't look for an m easier career and she knew there was notre that representation which both frightened her and redoubled her commitment to pursuing medicine in spite of that. i wanted to explore all the different phases of the medical system and the challenges thate people confront when they go into a field where the other provider and mentor and supervisor don't necessarily look like them in the communities that they came from. >> before we move on from this i
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just want to pause. i hope people watching really hear what you're saying. it's really important, the perspective that this new generation of doctors as you described it are bringing to american medicine and an especially vulnerable time is really interesting. i think you write so movingly and with such empathy empowered and i won't read anything long but i want to share this one sentence that sums up where you're coming from in many ways, for some doctors you write truly hearing a patient's voice is a skill that can prove more
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difficult to master than dressing a wound or reading an x-ray. it is really powerful and i'm just wondering if you saw anything different of these doctors will bring into the profession because of their life experience. how did you make those connections and what did you bring to the reporting from your own life experience. >> i love that question i think the extent to what the doctors were reported on putting emphasis on trust and wanting to build relationship with their patient something incredible to hear to a certain extent there is buzzworthy ideas that you need a patient-doctor relationship and patient centered care after so long that was not the norm that is a push coming from a new generation of doctors and i think one ofe the things that makes that more
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impressive, in medicine there is a rigid sensedi of hierarchy ana heavy degree to which younger doctors don't always feel empowered to speak up folder or my senior positions to tell them the new sensibilities and the new ideas that they bring into their care. i thought it was really bold and inspiring that we hear that from a new generation of doctors that they're wanting to put the relationships of their patients at the center of the care. it's really interesting to see these new set of doctors. they also hadls access to a whoe new field of research about what it does to help outcome when patients and doctors have a relationship and when patients see themselves represented in their medical care. there is a phenomenal study that i talked about in the book that was done in oakland couple years ago where researchers were able toto document that black men had better health outcomes when
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nursing by black doctors other than normal black doctors. they were more likely to agree on preventive measures like diabetes screening. what that says there is real life or death consequences and real stakes when patients are represented in the medical field. the whole idea presentation isn't just a nice to have thing that something impacts people's health. that is all the more urgent with sharper t message for communitis of color, you saw black and hispanic workers were dying att two times the rate of white new yorkers, those statistics are not just statistics the people in their lives and it's all the more sharp in the context of the message that the greater representation to diversify a
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field that is so a modernist for so long. >> i want to ask about new york outcomes from your perspective but before we get there. the beginning of the book is really fascinating i'm definitely not an expert in medicine by any means but i thought that o i knew a fair amount of health disparities and there is so much in the book that made me stop and put down the book and think about it,ut o much i did not know. one of those things you write about how in 1800 there was a movement to professionalize medicine you ended up shutting down medical schools and communities of color and communities in poverty and made
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it very difficult for black americans to become doctors. even during segregation. that is really the foundation for the doctors that we have. at least one of the foundations. doctors were african-american. on wondering if you can tell us a connection between disparitiet and outcomes over the panda pinned mike over the last year and the businesses for modern american medicine. >> that was a piece of history i was fascinated to learn while i did research for the book. i knew i had a big sense of homogeny to be of american medicine today. under 6% of doctors are black and hispanic in around 7% of medical students are black. i had to make sense --
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>> 7%? >> yeah far under the share of the general population. i had a weak sense of the statistics but i did not know how deeply rooted in the history of the u.s. medical education system these were. i was fascinated to learn that there were a lot more medical schools that were educating black positions in rural and low-income positions in 1800. there was a whole wave of medical schools opening all acrossen the u.s. and there wasa sense that american medicine was a gallic. then the system in europe led the medical societies. in the turn-of-the-century there was a real concerted effort to shut down medical a schools. a lot of that stems from a report that was commissioned by the american medical association. i had an educator named abraham who decided to many american medical schools, too many
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low-quality and ones that were rigorous enough in their training so he started a real effort to shut down a lot of medical schools. surprisingly where the end of the following was medical schools enroll medical schools that were training lower income people to care for their community. so out of a dozen black medical schools at the turn-of-the-century just to remain after this part. there was an effort for leaders in the field to make the field a lot more restrictive and as a result a lot l more homogenous. that's a really important history to understand as we looking at the representation in the field today. representation has shifted very little in recent decades. there is only a tiny inching toward representation of color base into the dna of the u.s. medical education system.
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>> as i'm listening to something about the. health outcome in new york over the past year. in general i think are horrific for all new yorkers and were especially catastrophic for black and hispanic new yorkers. why is that? can you pull back a little bit intake is not just for your reporting but for this book but as a reporter here in new york in the new york times how would you assess the new york healthcare response to the pandemic. you may have the most up close knowledge of any reporter in the country i think you will be a popular person as you do an investigation as to where thingh went wrong.
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>> i remember when the city went out with a report in the hospitalizations, case rates and death rates among communities of color in new york and one of the points of the city reported made the people and communities of color were so much more likely to be working jobs will do cannot isolate whether keeping the subways running or working in emts and the empties on the front line and so many people were not able to shut this down and isolate in the early weeks in new york. on top of that a doctor who worked at bellevue a historian in the book he was talking how we solve the headlines in the
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pandemic with the racial health display are these and putting the spotlight on him. the bellevue doctor this is something that he seen since day one he, and he and his colleagues were viscerally aware of. the health disparities playing out in new york. he was making a point that a lot of his patients were not able to focus on protecting themselves from the virus because they were focusing on finding shelter and feed themselves and were to sleep with subways were running for 25 hours pre-somebody new yorkers the pandemic was one more layer v-uppercase-letter and on top of an existence that has so many precarious at bellevue. for him he was saying he and his coworkers were seeing how the pandemic exacerbated all of
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these realities and fear that people were already living in. that was more so the case for m people at rikers. he had patients who came to the hospital and immediately left because they heard that they would be able to be released from rikers if they left the highest bottle. they were g somebody people who were not able to protectct themselves because they were living with daily struggles and fears. >> i hope, forgive me if i were repeating something that everybody here already knows but was the most compelling character in this book. his name was manny. the young son, young disabled son of a new yorker who dies of covid. the doctors have to look after him and they're not quite sure where to take in. but the very concern for his
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well-being. and also has long-term safety and security and happiness. i think it was really hard for me too read about that. i don't know if this was intentional or not and maybe i'm reading too much into it but forsome ways manny works as a stand-in for a forgotten new yorker and this is the city where de blasio called it a tale of two cities but i've been saying is that jerry mcguire, first class used to be a better meal, now it's a a better life. it's really not funny, the pandemic the disparities that new york already had were not about you living in a luxury building but whether or not you got sick, whether or not you die, whether or not you lost your housing or your job. andb me any seem to be almost every man standing for the newor yorkers who were nameless and
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faceless and really vulnerable. vulnerable as anybody in the developing world in many cases. how did you deal with this emotionally, i know you quite well and you are wonderfully empathetic and kind hearted person. with thisu deal emotional burden in your reporting while trying to live your life in the middle of the pandemic and working full time as you do? . . . >> i was so touched by the story and it was a gift to get to talk with not only the main dr. who was caring for him, but others on his team because he was an all hands on deck at first and there were doctors who were working a 12 hour shifts and staying longer after that to make sure he was getting the food he liked and clothes and toys and other things that clothes and toys and other things that would keep him
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occupied. you touched on this which was so beautiful, this was really a young man, it is true, who kind of bore out every he was ath living edit city housing project with his dad was is only a living immediate family member. and then when his dad passed of coal that he had no one to take care of him. in andpital took him agreed to let him live there for a couple of weeks was a very unusual situation. he ended up being at the hospital for 100 days which is a pretty crazy when you know it's to be in these covid heavy hospitals. one thing and talked with the doctors who are caring for him as i put that question to them a lot too, how are they dealing with the emotional weight of it? he has had so many logistical layers. so many day-to-day snafus
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coming up and i felt a similar way. it's hard to feel the full emotional weight at the time. every day his story had new layers of logisticalgi development. whether the doctors finding new medical records that indicated he was partly deaf. her taking to an interview at a group home that revises emotional needs were too greatat for them to handle. or they had a doctor who was at his old department trying to find a medication and other things for him. they found that his dad was a hoarder and it was hard to get around the apartment and find anything because it was filled withe things. every day there these new logistical developments in hisel story. it was hard to feel the full emotional he was feeling until the endea when he is released from hospital taken in at a group home. and that was possible for me and the doctor to zoom out and story about this young man had just experienced.
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which was persevering against impossible odds. and then a also just getting to see videos and photos of him. he was such a joyful young man. he brought out a lot of joy in the hospital two. he would be walking around playing songs on someone's iphone are getting the doctors to come over and bring guitars and play with him. the amazing thing about his story and had the surreal moments of light both for him and the doctors are going above and beyond to care for him. >> i think that is really well said. because along with the fact that there are so many vulnerable people, billions here in new york, around the world, you do such a great job in your reporting of making sure, this book is not a tragedy to her.
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it is not a poverty tour. this is about human dignity and the fight for that. i'm effaced of 11 of the darkest moments in new york's history. it is a really powerful testament to that. again i can urge you all to read that. i do not want to get emotional so i will stop there. but before we take questions i did want to ask is there anything about your reporting, it could be in the book or something that was not in the book, that you think is really important for new yorkers and others who were maybe not as hard-hit by the pandemic as the folks in your book to understand. what for people who were not in newark or who left newark, who just were not that impacted. what is a knowing take away from your report and what you
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have learned here? >> i think that's one of the things that really stands out to me, what is the degree to which it felt for doctors and patients and really all senses like a warnt zone. they were on like a battlefield. some of the doctors there is a frightening aspect to all of this because their hospitals were referring to them as the coalition forces or the covid army. they graduated last april and their administrator came on and greeted them as they were coming into battle. i think as a young people were expecting to spend a couple months to plan for residency taking in the lessons of a medical school maybe doing some celebrations with families and suddenly for what all intensive purposes felt like a war.
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i remember this too, reporters had headlines in the "new york times" saying it would have quote from doctors a war zone. it felt like they'd been left behind and left out to dry it by that government, by the federal government. they felt like they did not have all the support they needed will going into cases. i think there'll be a real mental health epidemic following on this pandemic that hospitals are going to have to deal with. that doctors are going to have to deal with them. that ordinary new yorkers are going to have to deal with a them. it's going to surge around all of that we had our big dave reopening yesterday. people are eager to get out and start celebrating. that is an understanding and pull i are probably not fully processing the degree to which
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we are going to have a mental health crisis that is particularly sharpened in the city and for frontline providers in the years to come. with they saw was incredibly challenging and they did not always feel like they have the support they needed from higher up. >> thank you sohe much emma. we have some really good questions here. one is a great segue actually from jasmine who asks, she says historically becoming a doctor has been seen as an affluent career path where's becoming a nurse has been viewed by the most part as a working-classhe career. during the pandemic lease out a celebration of all essential workers. how do you think they see all essential workers post pandemic? you do not be me too tell you this it is beyond doctors i believe. >> that is such a key question.
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i have gotten the question a lot of times why is it about doctors? this book should be written about all of the people on the frontlines of the pandemic in so many different ways. whether that was nurses every single talker i interviewed testified to this every day the nurses were going above and beyond not just day-to-day shots but emotional support for patients. in a lot t of patients could not have family members with them so the nurses were standing in as their loved ones, holding their hands, providing emotional comfort holding up an iphone so they could face on the family members. the nurses were going above and beyond. there should be and have been many excellent stories written about what they saw ashe well. there are so many frontline people who experience this pandemic and the most challenging ways in the stories need to continue tonu be
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told whether it's a grocery clerk, subway operator, so many people. mara you did such a beautiful piece about emts and others on the front line and have been instrumental in your own recovery. i think all of the stories we need to continue telling. there was a foursome of the doctors ate sort off strangeness that last spring we are all at 7:00 p.m. that fizzled at a certain point. now we are seeing again a rush. we need to continue tod think about how memorialize those lost and celebrate those who serve in different ways. new york had a beautiful memorial that you spoke about and written about in march i believe to those lost to covid. we need to continue the memorializing the best ways of celebrating those who
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unquestionably rushed to theos front line and put their own bodies on the line. >> i totally agree. we had fireworks from governor cuomo yesterday 11 party is much as the next girl i thought it strange considering the fact they're still in a pandemic. people are still dying every day. we have yet to memorialize those we've lost there is a lack of closure there but that is a different conversation. michael asked a good question as well. michael says i cannot even imagine the level of stresses doctors had been thrown onto the front line did any of those express anxiety or stress about thebo experience for student loans or anything of that sort? >> that is a great question. an incredibly challenging way to start your career. i think particularly in the
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context medicine is is always going to be a challenging career. you have your rotations you have layers of accountability to your first day of your intern your you are suddenly carrying your own patients and you have people looking to you to sign off on prescriptions and all sorts of things. that can be a terrifying moment. itl the uk they culture like killing seasons when the new intern start and there's a higher rate of accidents or other injuries fornd patients. which is not always been borne out by the research. all the more so to the nth degree when you're starting in the midst of a crisis. what i was amazed by it was how quickly the doctors who i was speaking with just started to assimilate and embrace it.
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even to a certain extent confident in their new roles and work they are doing. i think part of what helps with treating covid was a novel for people at every level of the medical field. in matter how much experience you had it. so in some cases within a few weeks of work someone starting out as a recent medical graduate turned dr. can have the same level of knowledge of covered care is the most experienced doctors on the ward. that had a certain kind of confidence. similarly there is a collaborative and cooperative spirit i heard about in a lot of the hospitals. hospitals that asked for volunteers and one of the first people to sign up was the dean of the medical school. he had people who were surgeons changing w bedpans. there is a real collaborative spirit help people it all ends of the hierarchy working together and recognizing contributions. i think that fostered a
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hopeful spirit in spite of all the challenges these young doctors were seeing. >> timothy askeded the question about whether there are any lessons that india, which is being ravaged by covid right now, india and other countries who are right now going through that can learn what your subject learned in their early days of the pandemic here new york city. i don't think we've gotten much just how the public healthcare system here in neww york city performed. you can answer any part of that you are up for. >> that is a great question. again speaks to why i really want this to be like a time
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capsule, one moment in one city it is very much ongoing so many parts of the world right now. i think it's hard to say right now what lessons the u.s. has to offer. there were a lot of stumbling blocks or a lot of stumbling and stumbling blocks they reopen are far too soon, there were people who rejected some of the science it's hard toss say what lessons there are i think something hopeful as we saw how much the protective equipment works for me haveks it. i'm really fascinated with all the doctors i followed none of them fell sick in the hospitals. those who did get sick outside the context of the hospital. they all said it too.
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it wasqu extremely effective when it was available it was really useful. there was fear there would not be enough protective equipment. but that's all the hospitals were able to get together on their more able to check the data. that is one of the key lessons. another one iss a critical of the health components. there is so much trauma they are experiencing, particularly in t having people who had to pass by without members present. that is a singular trauma that has stayed with somebody doctors. for the u.s. and other countries continuing to think about how to provide adequate mental health support for front-line workers is going to be a critical issue. >> your point about the success of ppe, personal
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protective equipment is so important. as we are thinking about what went wrong in the united states it's one of the things, and you touched on a little while ago, part of the reason vulnerable communities got hit so hard essential workers in those communities, subway workers, bus drivers were not protected in the same doctors who worked in better resource hospitals were. that is one of the tragedies that we saw play out here firsthand. so rosa asked, how was the writingwh process, what was your writing process like? are there any stories that you heard, that were compelling but did not make it in the book? challengingng was and just that it was hard to know the annulment and got
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transition from reporting to right with the short timeline for putting together the book. the writingng involved a lot of re- reporting back to the doctors and asking them a million questions to fill in details. it was also a really exciting process. interested in doing so many quick turnaround articles and short pieces were you are on a deadline. being able to retreat from that new cycle and bend every morning doing a writing i would not be sending to anyone right away. there will be going online in a couple of days it was riding in a little bubble. that was such ath treat for me. it is something we do not always get to do in media industry, writing it out
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without editorial feedback. that was a treat. it was also very much enabled by not having a commute to work and shakeup in all of our lives was a little bit away from the normal routines of nonpandemic life which allowed for more time. the story that did not make it in the book, there are so many ofth them. i did speak with a wonderful woman and i did not get to include in the book. she was working at a hospital on staten island. wanted things i love, this was another woman who graduated early to work in the ward. she actually ended up working on a team with her brother and ther best friend who were all doctors as well. they were all in the covered word together. actually, she fell sick with covid not long after starting.
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one of thepa amazing things was giving to hear the support she had from a brother best friend that she was working with. she was working with their own case of covid and are covid patients she really testified to how this work was for the doctors. when y you are in the thick of things, when you are in the trenches having people you can lean on and who understand what you're going through in a way no one else really can is such an important thing she's at one of the people who spoke to the kind of families and communities that form in the hospital. >> so mi hope you will forgive me. going to play editor here for a moment. for those of you who are non- tn journalists, one of the most annoying butns important questions you get from your bosses after you deliver a really successful piece of journalism or piece of work
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where does this joy go from here? you are now on a another assignment. i am asking emma, not just for you but for this story about new york and a time of pandemic, where does the story go from here? >> i think really looking at the culture of the hospitals over the coming year can be critical. i think a lot of the doctors testified to the fact that during the pandemic so many norms and routines of hospital life got completely un- ended. the doctors were just learning what it meant to work together in a really cooperative way. sinks of the higher grades thrown out the window. so many norms of terror thrown out the windows two. the setback because they're all in ppe the fact they could not allow any visitors. i think during the pandemic
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there are things that change for the good and things that change for the really bad in the hospital. i think one of the questions they can be really, really important for the hospital is how you keeppi the good that change during the weeks of the pandemic response, shifting back to normal for some of the norms that change for the worst. some of the hospitals are now beginning to let back in visitors which is critical. it's kind of a slow change to come back because the hospitals were understandably really cautious. they are starting to figure out better ways of communication. there was a shift to telehealth in a lot of ways there is a shift that happened. i think one of the key questions is going to be how do we keep some of the good, collaborative, nonhierarchical that emerged during the pandemic will shifting back to normal. and in other respects in terms of allowing visitors.
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i think the most critical question is going to be how do we allow for a recovery that is equitable? and it does not leave behind the communities that were most devastated by the pandemic to beginsi with. i think the economic crisis that devastated the city hasn't touched a lot of people's lives in ways that are just as visceral as the pandemic s. small businesses that shut down, there is a real danger that we rush in to a recovery that does not lift up everyone in particular that didid not leave off communities of our left behind during the pandemic. we have a primary going on a new york right now it's touching on that question in a really key way. i think some of the young doctors can speak what it equitable recovery looks like an equitable way. i continues to bring many voices into the conversation on what a fair recovery looks will be such an important
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question. for me such a treat to get to know the young doctors getting to hear and share their stories. i want to continue to ensure young people in the medical field feel their voices are being heard their stories are being heard and they have a microphone for much to share their experiences. because all too often you hear it from the most senior people in the field. think that's three things first of all figure out what hospital culture it looks like from here on out. and thinking what it equitable recovery looks like for the city as a whole and then hold a microphone to the people who saw the inequities and the challenges and trauma of the pandemic. giving them a platform continually to share their stories. those are all things i would like to continue to follow. and help others do as well.
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>> before we finish up here, i hope it is clear that journalists, we do not like to talk about ourselves, we are pretty uncomfortable about it. this whole thing, i hope you get a sense of why it is that journalists are considered the essential workers under state law here in new york. because they are, we are. i am just wondering, what do you do to stay sane? it is not only doctors who have been on the front lines, it is reporters like you. so how are you dealing and recovering and what are you doing to make sure you are feeling healthy and whole in this horrible dark period of world history finally walked towards the finish line. >> i think it is so important
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too celebrate the miracle of this moment. i remember last year talk with coworkers what was a realistic timeline that we could expect everyone in the city and our community to be vaccinated. the fact that 70% of new york has been able to get vaccines is really a miracle to celebrate. it is so important for a business owner two. we will seldom bring the moment is critical. even as we process, memorializeo, we have to figure out how to do all that at the same time. we need to celebrate the summer; last summer with friends and we have to do those things because it isos a hard one victory. i think we can do that as processing plant having the
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joy all at one time is really important for a. >> of him going to push you on this, what are you doing for your own emotional health? reading, running, swimming, seeing friends what is your advice? >> forcing you to hang out with me. fun things. one of the greatest things about being done with the book is being able to dive into a very big stack of books i've been wanting to read and i have been reading in my local bookstores. they are many good booksgo coming out as neat spent a lot of the summer reading more fiction, reading some nonfiction it may make the senecaat hypocrite i'm not sure i'm ready for any pandemic related nonfiction yet.
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there are so many good memoirs and books out right now i want to dive into. last summer was such a distance -- horrible. i'm soaking in as much of the togetherness is something i really want to do. >> again, thank you so much to everyone for coming out and for this extraordinary debut. i really appreciate your artwork so much and congratulations. >> thank you so much, thank you for such a wonderful conversation. thank you to everyone who came out. there questions in the chat and really thank you all for taking time for. >> thank you two strand as well. >> it's very important and impactful story so thank you
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for sharing that experience with us. to our audience members if you want to make a purchase of the book, you can do so at the link at the bottom. thank you vote both so much have a good evening everyone. >> the senate out of session join us all this week from book tv tuesday events from a recent festivals away from author marcia chapman on her book franchise from the printers grow fast. tennessee governor at the southern festival of books on his presence festival death and mud like coal country signing to seek drug companies that deliver the opioid epidemic. that all starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern on cspan2. you can also access online at or follow along on c-span now our new video app. ♪ ♪ stay up-to-date on the
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latest in publishing with a blip tv podcast about books. look at industry news and trends to insiders and reporting on the latest nonfiction releases and bestseller list. find about books and all of our podcast on the c-span now app or whatever you get your podcast for you can also watch about books sundays at 7:30 p.m. on book tv on cspan2. or online any time and columbia university visiting scholar recently argued conservative evangelicals do not uphold christian values. here's a portion of that program. >> i must say when it write a book out of sadness and outrage at what the right wing evangelical christians are doing to this nation and to the way they are distorting
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dialogue and rhetoric from cause so much pain i want to share a little with you to give you some sense -- might give you a sense of what, the depths of my outrage. we've seen how seriously so many evangelicals to love your neighbor as yourself. so seriously in fact it's too actively chattel slavery to organize and to decry the
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economic exploitation of the masses. the love affirming evangelical list a raging christian faction to the message of jesus christ. i believe it answers the very bible the evangelical book says they sick succumb to it the first episcopal john of the new testament called the spirit of the antichrist. now, when i speak of the spirit of antichrist i'm not talking about a supernatural being like the beast in the book of revelation, which by the way it never mentions an antichrist. or a man of lawlessness is in second thessalonians are found in popular media, left behind or the horror movies. i'm not talking about a figure
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at all. first john uses both antichrist antichrist plural. talk about ideology that distorts christ in the name of christ for the interest of a particular individual or group. this is reflected in john's identification of a spirit not from god. the spirit of the antichrist it says is the motivating force of antichrist by which those who falsely portray the nature of jesus and also the nature of his mission in the world. first john talks about loving others and spiritual communion with god. also offers several admonitions. most significant is to beware of false teaching he writes, i write these things to you considering those with deceit, the primary letters concerned with what has been come to
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call, this heresy told jesus is not a flesh and blood instead jesus was a phantasm only seem to have an earthly body. which was the conclusion of those who could not accept the one they thought to be the victorious deliver of worldly oppression died a humiliating human death at the hands of the world. john's crucifixion was a challenge the very foundation of what christians play because if it was only a phantasm of jesus that was crucified in only seems he was crucified that he did not buy on the cross to atone for the sins of the world. furthermore the rejection of jesus for humanity was to prevail there was a real danger it would mean the demise of the christian faith.
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yet the letter it reflects it was not outside christ to attack. he realizes the real danger was a misleading idea spread by his fellow believers. as far as john was concerned, those who circulated distortions of a foundational truth of the faith, even those among christ worshipers, or antichrist. now, i believe writer of first john railed against in his day means evangelical also infused with the spirit of antichrist in another kind. one that dismisses as a phantasm of the aspects of the gospel that dominates agenda for. >> watch find the rest of
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