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i will add the link to purchase the book) the chat for anyone who hasn't already purchased it. we did sellout of our first batch but we have more on the wayy already. for anyone not able to look through the entire event, we are recording this and will make it available. quick introduction, robert meyer has been an emergency room doctor over 25 years. emergency rooms in new york city most visited in one of the nation's five busiest. is an associate professor of emergencyn medicine at the albet einstein college of medicine ane grew up in queens and lives in hartsdale new york with his wife, janet. he has a child in medical school
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and another in college. dan compel is a former executive editor at the new york times wire cutter. he's ready for national publications including wired outside national geographic and the atlantic wanted to work for his writing. he is a recipient of national geographic explorers went and has products including "star trek" next generation and the author of the book banana, they of the fruit that changed the world. i think this might be the most eclectic resume of any author we've had an event here. he currently lives in maine with his wife and their two young boys. thank you so much for being erthere. you came straight from a shift but thank you so much. i could not put this book down.
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i was peeking out in between customers, i left the store and came home plopped myself on the couch and finished it. it is really incredible. it's not the book i expected about covid, we discussed this a little bit earlier but it's completely nonpolitical, just what you are seeing in the er dan mentioned an e-mail to me that this is a bit of a struggle to write this book and not more of the medical trauma adventure story so i'd love to hear how this particular book came about sorry, you are muted, i don't know how that happened last month. >> and my better? >> perfect. >> i want to say thank you for having dan and i this evening with this group of people and
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that seems to be the most common question i've beened asked the last 48 4 hours, how does an er doctor and up writing a book? trust me when i tell you it was not remotely on my bucket list of things too do. it genuinely started with an innocent text from my caring cousin, not his brother, jim but dan. dan, not you, jim. he text me and said how are you doing? i said do you really want to know? he said yeah i said it's bad. he said on a scale of one to ten, how is it. i said it's 100. that yield a y phone call, you can't text after that. that phone call was a dialogue any of us will ever forget that ended with, take notes. however you figure it out, take
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notes. voice memos, call me. i jumped onal it because for mei need an outlet to talk, i needed someplace other than my kitchen and my wife and kids to process what was going on so they didn't have that eclectic, he's the best therapist i can ever imagine so he was a venue for me express what i was going through and he ended w the conversation by, we have a book here. i said well, knock yourself out. you do what you do and i'll do what i do and we'll see how it turns out and that's how it came about. >> i'll add, a lot of books, a lot of ways to do books, this was really different. it really is rob's words and
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various sources put together but there's something about us being related and knowing each other all our livess, coming from the same place. rob's my dad's mentorship when he became a doctor. there was a sort of connection that was very sort of telepathic that made it very easy for us to understand each other and relate to each other and have this back and forth unlike anything i've ever experienced in my career creatively. it was very smooth and intense and intimate and it wasn't hard to get onto the page. there was no wrestling rob's thoughts and words and.
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>> piggybacking on that for a second, the feedback i've gone the past 48 hours to dan's brilliance of writing, people reading it, not the audio which speaks for itself, the audio was the most difficult thing i've ever done because i couldn't read it withoutt crying and it took many takes to edit out the crime, dan captured my voice. so people are reading it and they say i hear it and that's his ability, he would type as i talked, record as i talked, transcribed everything as i talked and put it onn paper and as i read it, i'm like wow, that's me.
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>> wonderful>>. i wasn't able to know it was your voice but it did breed like a lot of things i've read, it was very much like this is organic and natural and sort of forgot that dan played a part in it until he comes back in the first person sort of capacity later on in the book but it really is an incredible memoir. i'm curious about why exactly, i have positions based on where went but why did you choose to and it where you did?
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you know going and you'd only do that much time or did you just get to a place in your story where you said this feels right? >> i don't want to get into -- i'm not a microbiologist or epidemiologist butog -- i'm not commenting on where we are right now in respect toct the pandemic but there is no end. we haven't seen the end yet. i'm not going to say we are at the end of the beginning. churchill said i'm simply saying there was no natural place to break. dan was iny the emergency department the very day we noticed a change in what was going on with respect to covid and he was there that day and
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witnessed firsthand what was going on in there was like weeks after that we set our right, we've captured what we are trying to capture in this book because we could have just cap wrote on from ms. could have been a chronicle through today. is there going tooi be a every minute of the day two, three, four? i don't know. i can for that crown publishing. >> i think one of the big challenges with this book, i don't know for sure, there's going to be a lot of covid books you do it in six months? we don't really know, we thought
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about all the options and it felt to us like the summer began, things were easy. the first intent few months early change to something. we didn't know what would happen but it seemed narratively like it was a good place to end and we could and hear them sing but in here and make a story out of it. it felt like we had a beginning, middle and end and the story was well told so we were able to stop.
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>> definitely well told and very complete story. i expected as i was reading it that i would be angry, this was going to be a very different book than what itit is. i was devastated from a heartbroken. i don't want to say i felt like i was there because i can't imagine what you've been through but i got a very different experience reading this book than what i was anticipating, i resisted a lot of the first-hand accounts and threw myself into the science and politics and that sort of thing last year so this was different. spoke a little bit about this before everyone joined us for can you touch on why you chose to keep politics out of it so much and tell a story you did?
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>> from myn, perspective, strategically to make it appealing to everybody, wouldn't feel there was anything we could say that wasn't being said over and over again but it's not so much that we chose to take politics out but we had a realization where what was going to be in the book and what was missing from the public conversation it was this discussion of grief and loss and mourning. we felt that acutely and as the process continued, we realized the book had to be about loss and how these families were unable to mourn properly and the loss ofer the basic human thing
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that everybody does and was somehow stripped from us. it felt like it's universal, it doesn't have anything to do with politics and as we kept writing dwe mean harder and harder on te end cap of the book was about loss and not necessarily about a need disease or reaction to a disease in terms of medicine or politics or policy or anything like that. it's about the way people lost, stripping their ability to properly morning and even though that's not really what the story of the book is, that was the sense underlying everything we did. >> it something you don't remember saying to me, as we went through the process, i don't know if you recall it but covid is almost a backdrop to
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this story we are telling. it hit me like a ton of bricks because i look at it as first of all, i'm not a political guy from i couldn't even tell you who ran in our last elections, who cares? sent me this book had nothing to do withh politics and when dan said covid is a backdrop, i was like his right, this is just an experience that healthcare workers are going through. how we are processing insanity all around us. there's no place for politics here and i'll share an interesting anecdote that when the book was in the making from my wife and i had the occasion to sit down at an outdoor dinner right next to chuck schumer and we were talking aboutou at that time, who would write our forward and i wasn't struggling
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asked him to write the forward or review the book or look at the book because of anything but they didn't want to after politics to it, it made no sense so i let it go. i said no, this isn't right. i told him about it but it made no sense. >> that's a great move last month so refreshing because every other book we've had about covid that's come through the store has ended up in our culture and that section and form politics. we have had lots of things about pandemic in general and about epidemiology and what's going to happen next and those kinds of things but this was the first thing that addresses this pandemic without any politics,
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about any of that anything. there's no room for fake news for the story that's happening or what's going on day today and it's refreshing to see that because so many people have lost sight of that in the 24 hour cycle. i'm going to shift gears a little bit to another part of the book that was fascinating for me as someone who grew up in the era of er and grey's anatomy, and all about, i was fascinated tol learn how new emergency medicine is. you see this as reaching now as last year end a half changed the face of emergency medicine? i'm interested to know if
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there's going to be a new er that's going to look totally different. >> i've got to give dan credit because section about the history of emergency medicine was solely interviews with one of the followers of emergency medicine, john gallagher. it's incredible how many medical students have read the book and have come to me and said opened my eyes to emergency medicine and fast the greatest compliment i could ever hear. we are the nudists newest specialty. we are not new lighting nephrologist anymore. board certified trained specialty, by definition, but only sees people at its worst and you have to be a special person to take out on. always his death, dying,
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vomiting, leaving. broken bones so this year end a half as either really, very, very few people have said i'm done and checked out but a lot of people suddenly, if you read the journals from a number of applications to residencies and emergency medicine skyrocketed after covid or during covid. unbelievable. i am shocked. when we were in the thick of the pandemic, people were not coming to the er, saying sign me up from where can i go, sign where can i help? >> i wouldn't have expected that. it seems like like you said, it takes a special person to do it
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and drawn to that specialty. i'm trying to read my notes here and ie can't write make out what i wrote there. [laughter] oh, that's what that word says. you talk a lot about overcrowding all of us outside of hospitals certainly heard about, shortages and overcrowding but the realities of what that looks like never really crossed my mind. it was sort of back images from there's been a disaster on your and people are lined up in hallways but you talk a lot about what that meant in terms of maintaining patients of an energy audit and privacy and
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dignity. as back on easier? is that something even with high numbers in the emergency rooms, have you put this in place in the last year that's made it easier, maybe not easier but more comfortable for patients or is it still the same catch as catch can in improvising? >> during covid, it was a mash unit. patients were up from privacy and dignity was always adhered to 1000%. nonnegotiable but clearly, who tiare overcrowded, it was tightn the covid zone, room 435 was commonly over 70 but no, we
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never wavered from patient can't yandellen privacy but you woulde shocked the way the patients came together in their most dire times. you know, you've ever been in the emergency room, you hear yelling at providers, i was here before him, when am i going to be seen, what's taking so long? not a single complaint. never once, nobody complained. thank you, they were scared. so we didid well with that. we honored peoples dignity, confidentiality and privacy. >> thank you for that. it's a hard book to read. as much as i read it so fast, it ntwas definitely moments where i had to set aside face with a lot
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of realities that never crossed my mind, fortunate to be in a place with no transition rates and fortunate enough to not have anyone in my immediate circle affected by the pandemic so there were so many things that never crossed my mind. one of them you mentioned, the outpouring of support resulting in free food sent to the hospital. he didn't eat because there is nowhere to eat it in isolation and that struck me about the goodwill from the people oneo te outside that have no bear barrier on what you're going through. i'd be interested to hear, was a
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unappreciated thing order to feel like people were just throwing their money away? >> no, we loved it. we loved it. it was very difficult to eat it, i don't eat during dips, pre-covid i would fast during clinical shifts, it slows me down and makes me tired so it was easy for me but my colleagues. [laughter] the smell of the pizza coming down the hallway, even through the n95 masks, it was intoxicating so when we were in a shortage of ppe, you couldn't waste your ppe, you couldn't take it off to eat so a lot of us were taking foodin home, some people were taking slice of pizza and walking outside, lifting their masks and eating it. it was greatly. appreciated.
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it got so crazy we had to schedule deliveries of food from various places not just in our immediate vicinity but reckoning food delivered ace from westchester manhattan, queens, baking us, what can we do, what can we bring? thank you for what you're i doig and of course it made us feel awkward but -- nothing got thrown away. we were giving it to patients, nothing got thrown away. >> wonderful. that reminds me, we talked earlier, the idea of the hero in the hospital and the persona, you can't necessarily be like a hero, you're just doing your job. i'd love to hear you speak to that again for everyone to hear.
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>> a buddy of mine thrives on calling me a hero that made me so uncomfortable because it's what you said, where the first person to put into words so i can repeat it because i couldn't understand it for my own self, it may be uncomfortable, why? i think it was because of two things. one, on my own, how can you be a hero if you are so scared? you're going to sleepep at night trying to fall asleep at night, dreading your next shift, fearing your next shift, fearing the disease, anxiety and fear, how can that equate to being a hero? ... problems
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amongst the healthcare professionals was we do not avail ourselves to the therapist we did not talk to each other or a family weap nevr revealed how generally scared we were. that being put on a pedestal only made it that much more difficult to finally, it was not something i everr wanted to hea. there was a tradition in manhattan at 7:00 p.m. everybody would come out on their balcony and bang pots and pans, one night another doctor and i went down to experience that tribute to the healthcare providers and i just felt weird i did not like it, i did not feel deserving of
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it. >> i want to say whether you want to use that word you see it with the character in the book you might describe as an orderly. this is a young guy who cleaned up hospital rooms and he neveran handled bodies before and he took bodies out to the board with no problem he just thought that's what he needed to do. that's a horrific job to have to do that and he just did it. there was another doctor ins or book whose. i saw that every time i spoke to someone or remember somebody.
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>> that's a great distinction to make between heroes and heroic. the actions are not necessarily defining the person as a hero but certainly people went above and beyond any job description this past year. it was really remarkable to read, sean was the character that stood out to me. my brother worked in the hospital for years. it was actually dealing with death and that's what drove him out of it. that was too much for him. to see someone rising, nothing against my brother but just to see someone rising to that when it's not party your job description and not something you're expected to do is really
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remarkable. again that speaks to what rob m mentioned about the number of applications for emergency medicine increasing this past year. people are seeing the places that they can fill gaps, and it is wonderful. again i want to shift gears, perhaps what was the scariest part ofpa the book was not covid but you talk about the number of people from regional medical care is emergency room care,dv they don't have gps, they don't have a regular medical schedule, they just go to the emergency room when something is wrong. and a lot of people delayed that this year end a lot of people put off routine doctors visits
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and are you already seen an increase in some of the preventable, maybe not preventable necessarily but more treatable things when they're caught early? >> 1000%. it is something that dan and i talked about in the book, i'll bring my own father as an example. the elderly deconditioning is pervasive. you just cannot sit at home and not be active in those. after years. you gotta keep moving live your life the outside yet to see your doctor, we are seeing a lot of being hunkered down for a prolonged period of time especially amongst the elderly, were seen stage iv instead of stage iii cancers.
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were seeing congestive heart failure from silent mis. everything that we thought it would be and more and mind you i'm in a different world in the bronx where there is a lack of primary care and a baseline patient population significant morbidity, comorbidity as diabetes hypertension, obesity. we are really seeing the follow from staying home for a long time. >> i wonder if you would speak about your experiences in the er as a patient. not a covid patient but a patient during. >> i got sick in the middle of all of this which was very
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unexpected. there was a sort of covid twist to it. when i started showing symptoms of what would turn out to be bladder cancer, i went to my doctor in portland and they wanted to have a procedure but because the hospitals were not doing procedures there was a very long wait list. it certainly was not appropriate to cut the line because a lot of other people had delayed cares as well but it would be several months before i was able to confirm there was a problem and as it turned out it would've been a very critical several months. so i called rob and he said come on down and will get you checked out it's a big city hospital, a lot of resources, i drove down there. my drive down where the eeriest drives down interstate 95.
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there was never another card. you would see big billboards advertising emergency rooms with 0 minute wait times. you would stop to get gas in the instead of candy the service station would have giant bottles of hand sanitizer for sale and masks piled up impairments. the next day when i got to rob's house, i got there in the evening and the next morning i went in and got probed and confirmed that i had cancer within a couple of minutes. so it began a summer of chemotherapy and then surgery. rob got me in there at least eight to ten weeks before i would've gotten in. i think i would've been one of those people whose outcome could have been very different because of the way covid hamstrung the medical system. i was. very lucky and i want to
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acknowledge that i'm very privileged to have a cousin who is not just a co-author but a doctor that could pull strings for me and get me in there. i recognize not everyone had the opportunity and i think the opportunity really was potentially lifesaving for me. i am grateful for that. how did the middle part of the book come to be when i was on chemotherapy is story but it did come together ultimately. but i feel for all the people who were left waiting in line unable to get the care, have no doubt based on my experience there must be people who sufferu because of that and pain and sacrifice because of that. >> thank you, it's nice to have
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a first-hand perspective of putting a face to the story. >> i got to also experience to go into the emergency room there is no end to dan's efforts of investigative journalism. >> i have one last question that i have a few audience questions for you. do you think the last 18 months of this pandemic is going to
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fundamentally change the american medical system or do you see things rolling along the same way that they have? >> i don't know that there will be fundamental changes but i do see in the healthcare world you will see universal masking. you'll see procedure will testing, telemedicine will be huge but one of the things that came about from covid, pre-covid i struggle with the millennial generation's ability to communicate with people. the whole world now is texting and facebooking and tweeting. i struggled with my 20 - 22-year-old's ability to communicate with patients into now put a mask on them and their hesitancy to touch people
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pre-covid. unless i am doing something where there's the reality i don't wear gloves, touch people and shake their hand, i feel the rashes, i put my hand on their chest to see if i can feel the heartbeat. this generation coming out of medical school right now, they don't believe in that, they put gloves on and now you're putting a mask on. the ability to communicate with a mask and losing half of the facial expressions, that might be the fundamental change of medicine coming our way. everything that we do is based on talking to patients. history tells you everything, shut up and listen i'll tell you everything you need to know in our millennial's don't know how mask that now they put a on and it makes it that much harder. there are changes coming away. stuart: it sound like not for the best. >> i'm a 55-year-old guy, change
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is hard, maybe they are for the best, i don't know. but every time i see a medical student putting on a pair of gloves to use her stethoscope makes me cringe. >> that is the end of my questions but we do have audience questions, the first ii from dave howard, can you dust on to discuss the meaning off te title and how it came about? >> i'll take that, for my frienl dave howard. i wish i could tell you the meaning of the title. the title was our publisher who is ceo that came up with the title and i guess from the ceo of your publishers, it is a great title i think it means time goes very slowly.
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we had a hard time coming up with the title. partially because what the book was going to be about when we started doing it. we developed a proposal very quickly and julian came up with this title, it's a really good title. it conveys the urgency but i don't know exactly, i think people can read into it with what they want but i think it's the main urgency and time moves really slowly, daytime move slowly in the er, rob can answer that question. but we had some other alternatives which i don't remember so they obviously were not very good. that is the title that we came up with. >> people have asked me that and my answer is very simple. during the peak, the apocalypse,
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and one minute we did what we typically did and not even a day, but inn a week. there was times we were intimating and putting people on respirators ten, 12 times in minutes and that did not happen for days to weeks and normal circumstances. that is why i think the title is really great, i like it. it means something to me, it conjures up one hour was two weeks in a normal time. one minute. >> that was a better answer. thank you. >> next question is from monica l, rob how is the pressure being a er doctor with covid affect your relationship with your wife and kids. certainly something that you talk about in the book to a
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degree. >> i try to be the tough guy and shield them from my anxiety but they knew i was going through some rough times. i must have had covid. i never had covid but i thought i had it 182 times during the apocalypse. i would come home and my daughter would say snap out of it, you're fine were dead white would say you're fine for my wife would say grill the steaks, you're fine. so they were incredibly supportive, they knew when to give me space in a new went to try to normalize things. i had a ritual, i had a routine
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i stripped at the hospital and came home insulting other than what i were at work. i came into the garage, took the stuff off, ran to the shower butt naked, showered as hot as i could possibly take it, soapy water and that was my cleansing emotionally and physically and then they normalized things for me. they made me feel like everything was going to be okay. very, very supportive. there was one night where i was absolute convinced that i had covid and that was only night that i said let me sleep alone other than that my wife shared my bed with me every night she never left me. >> i just want to say having read this your daughter who is now in med school found an incredible spitfire. >> we are told we are one, we do seem to have a certain collapse that usually results in a steaming up against my wife and playing against her and we just
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get each other and she is a clinical acumen that you cannot teach chino sick from not sick and she just gets that she gets life, and very proud of her, i hope she doesn't go into her clinical years tunneling into emergency medicine but if she does, that's okay too. >> it seems like what you see of her in the book it seems like she certainly would be well suited for. >> absolutely. our next question is from linda, would you discuss the progression and type of treatment for covid hospitalization at the beginning versus where it is now. that's a i great question. not as much in the mood these days. >> right now i'll skip to today. yet today covid positive patient is really algorithmic, it's oxygen, remdesivir, depending on
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the severity of the illness. we have markers that we follow whether reactive protein or their d dimer, their chest x-ray, cat scan we accumulate data and based on the information we monoclonal antibodies in the spirit to keep you out of the hospital. we have remdesivir want you admitted to the hospital. we use steroids at times, collaboration. we really do feel like we have a handle on the management of covid but in the end, i hate to say this but in the end it's a crapshoot and it's time and luck. we are far, far removed from the death and destruction that we saw in march and april of 2020, nothing even remotely close to that but we do have some sick people and i've not seen a death
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from covid in a long time. >> this is a question from aaron rosenblum specifically for dan, did you use different strategies to report on healthcare in the pandemic then you used on the subject is covered in the past? >> that's a good question normally i cover far more effective topics in this. it'se rare that i been in the middle of a big news story, let alone the big news story. there's basic techniques that are the same, historic research, interviewing the right people, trying to understand the topic. i don't think i use different strategies but we compress the whole thing. there are many hours that were recorded interviews, rob and i did the interviews together mostly. ro backgroundf
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research looking foror statisti, getting the numbers, making sure that checking it was thfundamentally the same but i guess the bigdi difference my reporting tends to be on stuff that happened o the path this is happening while his reporting, things are changing and there was a lott of revisin has to be done, a lot of looking back that was very relevant to a month ago but not relevant now, what do i need to look at now, it was a new experience for me in a lot of ways and one that i found to be really rewarding. >> thank you. >> does anyone else have any other questions they would like to ask.
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i have one more but if anyone else out there has one we have about ten minutes what. rob you mentioned you did not ask chuck schumer to write the forward to the book you did not ask anybody, there is no big forward. >> good thing we didn't ask anybody. [laughter] >> aou year out if you were to have a new forward or new afterward but would that be. >> all refer to ud and that book is complete to me as it could possibly be. >> i think the book works really well as a snapshot of that period. i don't think it needs a lot of hindsight.
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i thinko it works to invoke motions in the reader so i don't think it requires any reframing or re-bracketing right now. that's what i would say. >> as someone who read it and loved it, i agree, i was just curious if you felt now there's something you would change. i certainly didn't think so. >> i would rewrite every single sentence because i see the flaws but were happy with the book we think it's a good book. >> if these last 48 hours are any indication of the success of this book at least in my world and my healthcare world, two things came about, the first thing dan and i said we got
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closer as cousins. roasted peppers, salt-and-pepper oil and vinegar. >> that was the sandwich i was the happiest guy inh the world that was great in the last two days my colleagues just thinking me for being there voice. i'm done. i feel great. >> we had one more question, i heard one in four teachers are thinking about leaving the profession due to pandemic stress. any sense of the nutrition in the healthcare field in the second question how readily available were mental health services for hospital staff at different stages of the pandemic. >> that's a fantastic question. both of them.
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the older doctors checked out. not a lot but the doctors in their 60s an early 70s saidd no way, i'm done. but it was very, very few. very few. the doctors that were overweight, comorbidities, they we made provisions for them we protected them we did not put them into the covid zone and they didn't want to be protected but we felt that was our duty. the second question is near and dear to me. the hospital offered us psychiatric help and it was brutally hard for doctors to admit that they needed it. nobody admitted to using it or needing it, i didn't i said in one of the check ins with the 3 doctors that i work with i said i scored, i got this therapist,
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i'm telling you it all make you feel better and one other doctor said she availed herself of the free therapy offered by them. that came about after a doctor written in the book she took her own life, an er i doctor in manhattan, that's when things started to snowball with the mental health issues and we were looked right in the eye of mental health issues and we either availed ourselves or we did but they stepped up and they offered. it was great. >> a really powerful part of the book talking about the coming together of the doctors not being in the er but the discussions at the check ins.
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it's really an incredible thing to read. this book gave a really different perspective than what were seen in the news and thank sharing it and giving us this really different look into what was going on on the ground. >> i think dan and crown for giving me the venue to do this. >> thank you. >> i think that was it for questions. if there's anything else that either of you would like to say about the book or your experiences, we have a couple minutes. >> you really covered it all. >> thank you. >> thank you to all the friends and strangers who came, i recognize a lot of names and i appreciate all of you guys showed u up. >> this is recorded for those of you who joined us are bit later,
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it'll be made available i'm not sure exactly when, i rely on the wonderful main writers and publishers alliance, i forgot what the a was for a moment. they do a lot of tech support, i will send out the link to everyone as soon as that is made available to me. again thank you so much and thank you everyone for coming, if you haven't already got your copy, you can order. >> every time i see that it's still weird to me. >> thank you, thank you for your time. >> take you, good night. >> with the senate out of session join us this week for both tv, tuesday events from
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the forgotten classic of presidential writing. the new authorized expanded edition of the autobiography has just been published by isi books. editors quote him in the introduction of saying it is a great advantage to a president and a major source of safety to the country for him to know that he is not a great man. we ask anna be slaves to give us background about the released autobiography which was originally published in may of 1929, 92 years ago. >> the chair amity slaves on this week's episode of book notes plus. book notes plus is available on the c-span dow app or whatever you get your podcast.
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