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numbers influence our understanding of the world, disaster relief in the united states and memoirs on identity, race and violence against women. but first and author discussion on gun violence. : : representing his book children under fire. both of these books were of
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interest to me because they really relay from the children's point of view some specific issues, a very important and yes their parents involved the voices of the children if they do come through in the books and the writing save it for later from nate powell, your children are characters in this book they have been transmogrified into delightful animals but they are there in this book mostly because you're going through a journey of an election gone wrong and trying to guide your children through a world where they made a promise that trump would not win and he did the whole book is your family's
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journey of how you got to the four years, that's how i see it in for both authors and going to ask you did you have an agenda when he wrote this book i hope you did but was there a surprise along the way, if so let's start with nate in your book what was your hope that would come from this book when the audience read it what was a surprise along the way. >> i make fiction and nonfiction comics i'm known for my nonfiction work but i did not particular consider myself to be a nonfiction heavy cartoonist for whatever reason i did not have an intention to make this book and tell by the end of 2017
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recognizing the normalization process power grab was not only functioning on the macro level on the larger social and political end of the spectrum recognizing the smaller private rays in which we had internalized of normalizing authoritarianism and its presence in our lives, the emphasis was by the end of 2017 i recognize for most people i knew him for myself there was often an assumption that there was fires burning out one said there was not enough bandwidth to reckon with or discuss the ways in which anxiety, depression, rage, doom, helplessness had affected us not only within the household but
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within a family unit but impacting a religion to and our neighbors in our community, a lot of these details throughout 2016 and 2017 it was getting squared away in in danger of being forgotten in the longview of this is recognizing it for spending the entirety of 2020 trying to prevent a successful authoritarian anti-democratic takeover of the united states we will need to provide the bandwidth to allow for the private personal accounts with other political and social application in the larger dumpster fires that were brooding. along the way the main surprise, i discovered being from the tail end of generation share more
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similarities with my parents generation with baby boomers and tunes of arrhenius assumption of the inevitability of progress which had allowed for fascism to get a foothold and recognizing the already a middle-age person it's time for me too shut up and listen to my kids and recognizing the only way that we will be successful is to set up a situation in which were able to be self-critical and better listeners and not fall into the same trap our parents had fallen into. >> it also explains how to participate in a protest and do so, so safely there is some very practical elements of this book for a family for a family to own the lettering is so beautiful.
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i just want to remind people who nate powell is nate powell is a national cartoonist whose work includes civil rights icon historic march, also come again, to deaden empire swallow me whole in the silence of our friends, that's unique has received the robert f kennedy book award, three eisner awards, the michael l prints, the, con, were very proud of, con in san diego, a very beginning started here, he has discussed his work on msnbc and free-speech tv and nate lives in bloomington indiana and you can get busy online and see my brother is it okay if i switch over to john for a moment.
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john wood grows he is a staff writer at this washington post he was a finalist of a 2018 pulitzer prize feature writing and one the pilot wrote for human interest in the dark award for excellence in covers of trauma and did journalism school mike award for human interest reporting, he attended the university of florida where he has taught narrative writing and served on the department of journalism advisory cancel he lives outside of washington, d.c. with his wife i'm so glad you're both here. your book is a close top to san diego children under fire in is a tragedy of gun violence that can happen and that's a very close topic to san diego the
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first major school gun violence situation happen to us here in 1979 when brenda spencer was in a house across the street from the school unfortunate she had access to that set my out automatic weapon into people died and many were injured, that was kind of the beginning apparently and were so grateful that you're here today because it's something that we cannot forget and it's hard to forget because there was -- i hate mondays that saul was not played on san diego radio for the for several years, it was too much but this is a topic that you spent a lot of time with ongoing violence in your book children under fire, you must've spent weeks and weeks and months with
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these families because i feel like i'm there and you are definitely there it reads beyond maybe what your columns were, did you have an integer who helped you turn your columns into a book because this feels like your wonderful columns. >> i actually worked on the book with the same editor who edited the series at the post, she just knew the material so well and i had a great editor and my publisher echo but i asked my editor to stick with me and i did a considerable amount of additional reporting on these kids after the stories ran i went back and spent weeks with both of the two main subjects of the story and several other kids as well it was a lot of
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emergent, it was about three years of reporting that began in 2017 and went up to last year. >> besides the tears of reporting, there was making this book, which is so important, obviously you want people to continue to investigate and learn how these things happen and what we need to do to make it less a commonplace situation and again, i'm assuming you had an agenda and i feel there has been success how much has this book succeeded in raising awareness and getting people to discuss what needs to be done. >> it is a hard book to read and
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for people to take on to be willing to take on, certainly the people who have read it, i think it is been affected by an away the idea was to wake people up in the scope of the crisis we look at gun violence as it relates to kids with a very narrow lens of who got shot, who got shot and who died that's what the headlights capture and what i found in reporting on these children the two main kids their lives have been destroyed by a, it's a crisis that affects not hundreds of thousands of kids but literally millions of children in their lives are shaped by gun violence every
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year and one of the original ideas, back when i was working on the stories and also to do the book and to tell the stories through the lens of kids eyes through that point of view because so often we read about children entirely during adult perspective and it was one way to make people care about an issue that most americans are numb to buy and purging gun violence in a different way nearly 200 people were killed this july 4 weekend in the acts of gun violence, it is staggering numbers. most of us will just move on, this is an epidemic that we will live on long past tobin unit was
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here long before covid it is something that i feel urgency about and hopefully the book delivers that. >> is heartening to see how some is written about or on their way to being effective activist ineffective listeners for those who are still recovering. nate powell, in your book he did confess that one what you are pushing your children in a particular direction but you are very careful to point out through your children's voices that they did want to protest and they did want to be involved, do your children, are you children proud of this book? >> yes my older of the two is
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nine and a half now so a lot of this covers experiences that are vivid to her from three onward, it is fascinating to have her arrive and engage in maturity that allows her to weigh in on a lot of these experiences that previously allowing myself the luxury of viewing strickler for my parents i the fact is one reason that meets this book a lot of which breaking down wake up located social and political issues at a level that the young person where they are rapidly expanding worldview, really i think one of the most important legal aids for people who do not
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have kids or are not around a lot of kids kids notice and pick up all of this stuff anyway it is not an issue of not bringing something up to dispel your kids childhood or innocence and listening for the inevitable time in which your kid is asking questions and a lot of it has to do getting ahead and getting ahead of questions a form and being open to the inevitability that parents are going to be the out of touch people and more quickly than you think then being hauled out by your kids just like how each of us people called out our parents for being out of touch of a number of issues, that time arise quickly when you first get called out
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that's when you know it is time for you to shut up and listen and hopefully follow what the young people in your life have to say sometimes that does mean an 8-year-old or a 9-year-old. >> it is a beautiful book to look at, i do have a couple questions the purple smoke is that because red and blue make purple? >> i'm carrying over a little bit of the purple, there is no way to touch the purple on the front but that was strictly aesthetic to have them deep enough to contrast with the grid and not be to attention grabbing. >> i like my story better. >> all this give you that you should start saying that now. they were purple and red and blue makes purple but is there
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hope can red and blue make purple? >> there has to be hope i'm not particular optimistic right now but a lot of that means i think it's urgent to accept the reality of the situation on the ground and understand there is reason to be hopeful but that has to do with providing space and providing a voice for the considerable majority of americans who support democracy in a multiracial democracy and recognizing our survival against authoritarianism our survival against fascism has to do with making space at the table and being bold enough to set aside a lot of ideas such as very privileged ideas that things
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would resolve itself in the ark of the universe depends on its own justice, a lot of these are postwar pre-9/11 concepts which generation x learned from baby boomers and the aftermath of world war ii, at times active harm and my parents generation being able to afford what is happened in the past five or six years and recognizing old rules do not apply. >> john, getting to your book is there hope there will be less gun violence will there be less victims. >> i think to nate's point, the status quo isn't going to get us there, the ark of this country is not bending towards fewer gun violence victims it's in part because at the federal level
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we're not doing anything about it it is not going to happen on its own there are small things that we could do that could reduce the number of people killed by gun violence dramatically, at the end of the book i make three recommendations based entirely on reporting and the one that i repeat most often is the most obvious, gun owners have to lock up the weapons that they have they have to prevent the guns that they have from falling in the hands of children, more than half of the school shootings since columbine would not have happened if children did not have access to guns hundreds and thousands of children will not get shot accidentally or in activist suicide every year if kids did not have access to guns that's what of those changes that would not require gun owners to give up their guns or
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go through a background check or be licensed or any of these things it's a bare minimum to ask someone with a deadly weapon to say do not let a child get access to this weapon, if we just did that one thing for talking about thousands of children whose lives will be dramatically altered both the child if he finds a gun and shoots her sibling of the parents were themselves ended the victim and the witnesses and the list goes on and on and all of the kids at schools we just recently i created a database that tracks how many children have been at school during an active nonviolence to the school shooting we had very narrow parameters more than a quarter of a million children in the last two decades have gone to school shooting and meaningful number of those kids are still suffering from the trauma they did not have to get shot to go through that, again one thing we
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can talk about background checks and all the sorts of things but that is one small thing that we could do overnight that would save so many children from suffering, the point being is attainable were never get to go to 43000 plus that's how many people died in shootings last year were never to go to 43020 and that will never happen not in our lifetime and honor children's lifetime but if we went from 43000 - 31 if that be worth it, that would be worth it you talking about thousands and thousands of people who are still living, kids who still have parents people who have siblings that would be worth it we can get there we can make a difference but it takes people making choices inasmuch as it has to happen at the federal level it is pretty simple as long as the filibuster is unlikely that democrats are
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going to get the votes that they need it is a myth that americans on entirely of gun safety that the majority of the common sense gun safety measures we were split on capitol hill by the gun lobby in the nra, those senators and a handful of states are more afraid of the nra then they are for moms demanded those groups, that's what comes down to five or six americans, for all of us for the new legislation. >> thank you, that is a great start getting back to that, that
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is not a staged image, the little girl hiding under a desk, were gonna go to a little bit of a different cover in part, this is an intimidating book, people coming out of the pandemic and a dark. maybe it's difficult for something we knew that going in and these children that are essential to the book and become best friends and give me an enormous amount of hope, on a personal level and they have become each other's therapist.
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>> people who supported it. >> 10 pounds the most unlikely of friends of gun violence take it away from them, you talk about the activism and what he talked about how children and they get to think about these things these two kids are such good examples of that in dying from their schools and gives me hope i don't think this generation is going to put up with the last generation has. >> thank you john getting back to what nate and jenny in his
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choices it's always so cool when there's a dust cover and something beyond it is so bonus in part of visualizing a comic in such a way on a cartoonist mind one of these are empty pages and there on the front back in in papers or in the conversation with each other. >> bring your leaf blowers and the smoke bombs it'll be
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exciting to see how much more and talk about people taking advantage on tape it is not a depressing list before we sign off is there someone in your book that you would like to revisit as the subject sometime? >> i think ava and the two central kids in the book i don't
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think, those are two kids, i am really interested in who they are, i am hopeful that their stories are going to take a turn and things will get better, that was certainly part of the hope about the book that somebody who can help, someone who can deal with that level of trauma that both of them have gone through in my step forward and offer something else. >> figure to be leaders. >> nate, will your children that you write about them sometime do you think? >> they both have pretty strong voices as storytellers of their own my younger one has recently started, i have a pretty strong
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feeling they will materially involve them. what i look forward to is working with them. i feel very lucky whether the world is burning or whether the fires are little bit lower and dimmer and ends feel very lucky what i wanted to do since i was 11 when i get to do as a job, whenever i'm able to put some meaning, impacting history and context into the comments that i make, i feel very lucky and even luckier to be able to have the storytelling and expression onto my kids. >> i want to thank our authors nate powell and john woodrow, i went to thinker booksellers, you should buy their books as hardcopies, visit
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and please, please consider reporting the san diego counsel by visiting literacy san into keep in mind that you could continue to join us for full programs of author panels like entertainment, entirely online this year at san diego festival of i am scott, how lucky was i to meet nate powell and john woodrow cox both of their books have strong ties to san diego and is so important that they participated in this year end our festival of books, thank you so much for being here, thank you for joining us. thank you all for joining us. . . .


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