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their leadership in safeguarding our nation. andto met me say that -- let me say that we've never had assembled before this committee such an august group of individuals who have done so much t to keep us as a nation safe. twenty years in, so i'm looking forward too their testimony. ses felt the most devastating period were thousands of lives were lost in many more change forever. in the weeks and months and years that followed the federal government engaged those efforts and it was clear
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to safeguard our nation's transportation system and the transportation security administration and in the 20 year history tsa has had seven turned administrators all of them are with us today. together they represent the majority of the tsa and they can speak to the incredible changes the agency has undergone in the past two decades when tsa began a rapid response required a one-size-fits-all approach. and over the years tsa responded to evolving threats and terrorist tactics. and those that are screening and vetting. and with that modern
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technology such as advanced imaging technology and then to detect a range of weapons tsa has developed a sophisticated to leverage the intelligence and then to focus limited resources on the most pressing threat. tsa must continue to revolve new kinds of threats today threats are raising and from cybercriminals in public health and unruly passengers we also need from those passenger aircraft from those modes and assets and mass transit and passenger rail and
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collectively with the tsa authorities and resources in congress must ensure tsa could execute it critical mission. and those to meet those threats to travel securely throughout the ongoing global pandemic. agency has struggled throughout the history with the well compensated workforce and i'm happy to see the biden administration taking steps to improve the situation. on monday announcing a new memorandum for the protection board. and then it has agreed to have
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action appealed from front-line officers. and from the disciplinary appeals process from the tsa workforce. secretary mayorkas in the biden administration takes an important step. and those to provide tsa workers with a competitive pay into that and i look forward to continue to advance the right to the tsa workforce act of 2021 i would also note strive to bring the panel although there has been some diversity to leadership over
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the years with a white male administration on —- administrators have never been confirmed of the transportation security administration. i hope tsa will increase the diversity of his leadership. and with those successes of the past two decades to provide americans with a safe and efficient secure transportation system i look forward to reflecting on those issues today and then we recognize i included in the record a statement federation of government employees on the subject of today's hearing thank you to the witnesses for joining us and for their honorable and steadfast service termination. i recognize the ranking
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member, the gentle man from new york for an opening statement. >> good morning mr. chairman. as you both know i started off as a committee for homeland security. this is near and dear to my heart. with the us airport security and i commandeered for commercial aircraft side into the flying into the world trade center and the pentagon in the field in shanksville pennsylvania and with the american airlines flight flying integral traits in a reference of minded tsa was created one month after the terrorist attack intimate dramatic changes to the landscape gone are the days we get arrive minutes before takeoff but with the immense help of the private sector tsa private startup stood up with the aviation screening system
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in the nation and is truly grateful it has continuously adapted the screening procedures based on critical intelligence also expanding is focus on securing service transportation this is exactly the elasticity that the homeland security committee in the wake of 9/11 envisioned. when the committee was in new york recently at the memorial for the 20th anniversary at the museum we reflected on the nearly 3000 americans that died we didn't believe it was possible at the time that tsa and department of homeland security were successful to present a successful 9/11 style attack over the last 20 years. that is an amazing feat and i want to keep it that way for the next 20 years. all members of the committee feel the same way. mr. chairman written testimonies from farmers secretary chertoff and for the
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record we appreciate their service as well as the esteemed panelist before the committee today. >> without objection. >> it is impressive we hear from four of the seven confirm tsa administrators. thank you for all you have done and continue to do keeping our country secure. as we approach the 20th anniversary on november 19, it is imperative we now turn our attention to how tsa should be positioned to encounter new and emerging threats on the early days of 9/11. i'm extremely concerned i withdraw from afghanistan will create a new safe haven for terrorist the homeland now has outside in the region they now call it home. as threats of all of tsa needs to accelerate its deployment of next-generation technology in the biometrics at the checkpoints. we cannot delay these or except ms. and at a snails
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pace and then to because flat-footed once again these needed technologies include authentication, advanced imaging technology, standoff detection and so much more tsa must be agile to ensure the workforce is positioned to encounter the evolving threat over the next 20 years as the former administrator said in the record intelligence and technology are critical people were and still are the strongest asset". i wholeheartedly agree and i think employees for this for the transportation system. and in the midst of a global pandemic over 10000 tsa employees have tested positive for covid 18 and 29 of tragically died. i have spoken to the administrator regularly regarding my concern of the
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tsa front-line workforce is not paid enough and he shares that concern transportation security offers have officers have an important job in the paid is not reflected time and again the issues would be fixed but they never are. look forward to hearing today the details of the compensation planning to the front-line workforce and what they can do for these initiatives. as we reflect on the past years of tsa going forward we must remember one thing we must never ever forget and with that mr. chairman i yield back. >> cylinder committee rules opening statements may be submitted for the record also the committee will operate according to the guidelines laid out on february 3rd regarding most of the season i now welcome my panel of witnesses the first witness in
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the current administrator of the transportation security administration and the role is responsible qassem soleimani nation transportation system and to lead the tsa workforce and then to spend 33 years he became the services 26 vice commandant. in addition if elected earlier this year by president biden as the acting security of homeland security and in secretary mayorkas confirmation i appreciate his willingness to appear on this panel to form the tsa administrator my next witness
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was the tsa administrator from 2015 and retired vice admiral under his leadership the tsa developed the use of automated screening technology and then to cultivated the relationship with the long checkpoint delays vice admiral is a 34 year veteran where he serves as a 29 vice, not you for being nominated to be the tsa administrator our third witness the tsa administrator from 2014 the president of anderson university and with his tenure jeff for resolve
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the creation of the program in the first administrations to grant the tsa workforce with that collective-bargaining. prior to his position as an administrator spending 26 years with the fbi leading the counterterrorism division following the attacks of 9/11 and in october 2004 with a position and the fourth witness was a second chair administrator 2002 and 2003 came to the two essay as commandant of the coast guard and from the day of the 9/11 attacks in one of the earliest leaders of tsa to oversee the launch of his operational activities and the hiring of
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tens of thousands of newly mentored tsa employees. as a deputy secretary from homeland security under george w. bush capping of public service spanning more than four decades we will asked the witnesses for a statement to be inserted into the record i will now ask the secretary to summarize a statement for five. >> chairman and ranking member and distinguish members of the committee thank you for holding the hearing your comments and opening statements i appreciate the opportunity to appear with three distinguished administrators and tsa continue to make substantial contributions to our country and they are our friends and colleagues is my honor to build on the foundation they established meeting tsa each year we are looking at the 9/11 attacks 2977 people who perished initiate tsa headquarters and those around
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the country the theme was united in memory together and mission i like many of you remember that day as if it was yesterday and in addition to witnessing the horror of the terrorist attacks i remember the way it felt to watch our country beyond the shared experience and together commit to never forget and never again. our motto is not on my watch living this motto we must ensure that purpose and so immediately following 9/11 approximately two months following 9/11 congress passed the aviation transportation security act establishing tsa in that legislation and in the first major we authorization three years ago provided as the authorities needed to protect the nation's transportation system on the state of tsa 20 years after
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9/11 some i would respectfully submit the state of tsa is very strong we can accomplish our missions in the face of the threat to the transportation system to aviation and service and we have the vision of the national security agency embodied by a professional workforce engages in partners of the american people like to briefly highlight three elements of success agility, partnerships and people that are particularly relevant to this hearing. first intelligence communities work to assess threats and allow us to mitigate risk to the transportation wave rapidly change procedures and domestic airports in the last point of departure international airports and to share the information rapidly with the partners things to your support we are in the middle of an upgrade of over 400 airports around the
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country this includes passenger identification to the improve carry-on bags using computer tomography x-ray technology and on person screening for advanced imaging technology and that result is twofold to enhance security effectiveness and improve passenger experience. thank you for your support of these technology improvements they are critical for continued success. additionally exercising the agility, we have recently issued security directors to improve cybersecurity the nation's most critical pipelines and we well extend the effort to include all critical transportation security infrastructure the second key element of success we have outstanding partnerships with other federal agencies as well as partners state local territorial governments we work very closely with her
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international partners to ensure global aviation security, especially last point of departure airports i appreciate your support to enable less but international locations this improves aviation security i'm proud of the partnerships with the owners and operators this model of engagement will allow us to improve security based on the level of sophistication that would not otherwise be possible and with that the security benefits passengers who use these systems every day. without question a key element of our success is our people and i cannot be proud of the people who served their country and tsa they professionally secure travel to millions of people every single day i have worked tirelessly to earn their trust in provide the support and guidance they need to accomplish the critical mission i continue to support especially front-line workers
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i would add two additional comments with adverse action appeals and then to sign a new directive and in conclusion we are united in memory i think each member this committee for your support at tsa and the opportunity to testify this morning and i look forward to your comments and questions thinking mr. chairman. >> now my last the admiral to summarize his statement for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman good morning to you and distinguish members of the committee. thank you for inviting me to join the distinguished colonies of the 20th anniversary of the tsa to reflect upon unique value of the service it provides for nation. transportation underpin the economic health, essential to prosperity in resilience and is a key component of the
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national security where the greatest privileges of my career was best served of the men and women of that tsa and our nation are is more safer insecure because of their work and i remain grateful for their service. the mission and contents is aviation maritime mass transit over the road motor carriers. it is an extraordinarily dynamic even more so i continually evolving threat environment. the transportation with us to take strategic attack between anniversary which we sadly commemorate enemies and instruments to strike in america. and then to recount the history of that tragic event as already highlighted the accomplishments and also to show that diversity to build
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upon this looking forward we are safer and more secure because of the security we have built of the past 20 years we have developed more technology and integrated among many stakeholders do that people who access are working critical areas and the tactics and techniques to prevent large-scale attacks like 9/11 from happening again they become is in-depth for those that have seen and experienced in those are essential security is additive however today security systems are not sufficient for tomorrow's threat they are agile and adapt —- adaptive and creative we have to be even more so there is no perfect system and know we got it right moment. and then to focus on what
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might happen to protect against what has happened that imagination is key they are dangerous entrepreneurs taking advantage to exploit those vulnerabilities with sophisticated interdependent cybersystems and with the global 19 and for interconnected industrial sources and the growing sophistication moreover barriers to entry especially with respect to cyberthe colonial pipeline in the hacking of the maritime court last week dramatically illustrates the ease of the critical infrastructure by remote cyberactors. and with that compelling strategy of the tsa workforce and to modernize the systems and protection the tsa innovation task force on the
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capability analysis are working hard to imagine with our adversaries but it was predictable and reliable funding and support and i urge this committee in congress to fully fund the strategy with those threats that we envision also energy to support research and development efforts with the private sector engagement coordinated ongoing focus and integrated r&b is fundamental the security of the never ending reason we need to stay in the lead thank you for your continued and steadfast support over the years and for support of the dedicated workforce i look forward to your cost —- comments and questions that you may have. >> .
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>> thank you mr. chairman it is good to see you and the chairman on a personal note i was in your district on 9/11 20 years ago when the fbi honor the instruction at the federal courthouse and to the committee and the professional staff who made the hearing possible the comments first i strongly encourage you in the administration to continue support for the broad authorities for the tsa administrator which former administrators have exercised judiciously. just a couple of examples and one from the innovation perspective we are all well familiar with the opportunity 2010 where those bombs were sent into chicago that plot
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was void so that screening actually came to the white house at the national security advisor working with ahead of saudi arabia and chief counsel with the department of homeland security with the fbi and cia state department and all the headquarters it literally are any cargo from being shipped and getting to the us but it kept future bonds from being shipped to the us and second all the aspect of the broad authorities with the leadership team that i inherited and then to launch
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the tsa pre- check program with nearly 11 million people in addition to those the global entry program. thank you chairman thompson on members of the committee to have the foresight to craft an agent on —- legislation initially to provide the authority for the tsa and then take immediate action to mitigate a clear and present danger with that initiative for smooth safe travel for law-abiding citizens moving from a one-size-fits-all to risk-based approach would encourage the entire committee to support the tsa workforce
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with a key issue with the efforts to be made to improve or for those initiatives but then the comments on the collective bargaining since i was the administrator. but then as the union representing the end this unique agreement. and chief counsel tsa over the last ten years with a determination context and clarity moving forward. i support and encourage of
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innovation and in the partnerships as the current administrator mentioned and then so tomorrow the partnerships mr. chairman and ranking member manufactures the airlines and associations north america and the rail line pipeline association they are all critical to the success tsa with the underwear bomber and then the nonmetallic explosive device terrorist are innovative and determined inspiring development is one thing that technology is better and then
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to testify for the 9/11 commission with the shortcomings and it was a failure of imagination. and then to ensure it doesn't happen again. and with investment and maximize partnerships to evaluate. thank you mr. chairman. >> and now you may summarize your statement for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman and members of the committee i appreciate being included for your oversight of tsa. i joined my citizens watching the day unfold.
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and then evacuating half a million people from staten island new jersey and then that day remains for me this generations equivalent of pearl harbor. and then to come to terms with the reality that to great oceans will never provide a guarantee that america cannot be reached to put us in the way of harm. first the tsa than the department of homeland security and the weekend to the new terrorism threat. with the executive branch reorganization since 1947. the coordination with congress produce the tsa act outlining the establishment in the shape of a new executive agency. where the faa is responsible for safety and security of commercial aviation the new love the security elements of
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the new tsa. so for obvious reasons the law mandated the new agent on —- agency focus so to provide a roadmap we set off to establish the agency it is the most gratifying at challenging years of public service as we took at on. we recruited applicants for 60000 positions at airports across the country and then distribute over 9144 weeks and then the agency continues to evolve through today we work with all major airlines trade association, government agencies, foreign advisers, commercial vendors to design an op-ed of thousands of checkpoints to provide physical security.
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12:31 p.m. 2003 when i can report to the secretary of tsa the airport on guam had gone green to gain operational compliance with the law. this magnitude required contributions from many to be accomplished well and on time. this is also the case as i and my successors to lead and manage the agency over the years mr. chairman several things stand out to me to be deserving of the ongoing attention first the adequacy of tsa for the intelligence community threat analysis and for the evolution of what that threat means in the days in the weeks of the agency itself
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and then with all modes of transportation not just aviation is clearly reasonable that we are focused on aviation over the years that the terrorist incidents was subway systems make those are serious issues as well a appreciate the ongoing attention not just aviation and then the constancy of focus as well as the preparedness and prevention planning with any scenario interrupting the transportation system. mr. chairman and then we coined the motto never forget and also with the defensive 9/11 2001. they do their oath of commitment to remain vigilant in their quest to keep america secure i take no comfort in
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the fact 20 years have gone by we have to remain vigilant and diligent to focus on today and tomorrow and this hearing is to me about how important that relentless village is to keeping a safe going into the future thank you very much mr. chairman alec forward to your questions. >> i think the witnesses for that testimony obviously your unique role within tsa speaks for itself so i remind each member he or she will have five minutes of questions tsa is a unique agency no other agency interacts with such a broad swath of the public all of this can remember from when
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we first started basically trying to put it together so the men and women did a wonderful job and have come a long way and as an agency to do the threat and analysis and the change from time to time. so what i would like to do is go from so what did you find most challenging with your tenured leading tsa? that you just had somehow with
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the current administrator i'm sure you can start us off with that. >> chairman, thank you. when i find most challenging is something we already talked about this morning which is to ensure we adequately compensate our workforce. i found no one disagrees with that it's just finding the funding to execute on a very important priority for all of us. the other thing i would mention from my four years plus but then really requires a lot of focus in the any priorities that they will look at you say we have to get that done and the challenge in the opportunity was to establish the clear priorities to have a
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concrete set of actions and the key not just tsa acting alone we have to act with our partners because they are part and parcel of the security regime in this country. it's always providing that strategic production and the most priority important priorities done in the most challenging and then over the course of the next several months is for the workforce thank you mr. chairman i would just echo everything that was just said for the front line it is critical and a very critical demanding job. and what really struck me when i came to tsc on —- tsa how
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and how they are in that job. the average american citizen has no real appreciation that they are good at what they do not me. that. during my tenure was a time of a dramatic and significant increase in the number of people traveling on a daily basis. that was in the face of other challenges we have based on the findings that were inadvertently leaked to the public and then one of the greatest challenges i faced
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and then to be build a sense of purpose for the front-line workforce which is the brunt of the criticism that came out is not the front-line workforce but the people who let the agency so in my mind it's a little more gratifying as i watch that front-line workforce to gain confidence and to focus but that was a particularly challenging time for tsa and i'm really proud of what they have accomplished and continue to accomplish under the current administration. thank you mr. chair. >> . >> in the summer 2010 part of it was to provide with that
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risk-based security and some common sense and also professional workforce in a way to not have that opportunity previously with the tsa academy and also creating new expanding on the engagement the office of professional responsibilities and then to build that infrastructure to say here is how consistency and adjudication and to give them that opportunity with great support from those efforts on the hill and say yes let's take the steps and provide exceptional service that is expected so those are the challenges and highlights.
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>> thank you mr. chairman. i think my recollection in the standup process was very simply recognition from those of us that were middle of the crucible so to speak to recognize we didn't have a corner on the market. we reached out to so many different players and trade associations of commercial aviation and the land transportation elements of the country and the personal association with herb kelleher was then president of southwest airlines, a remarkably visionary kind of guy who is now past unfortunately, but it was his willingness as ceo of a major airline to literally get in there and work with us to figure out the best way to do what we needed to do next so
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that notion of americans citizens in all walks of life , standing up and being willing to be counted and be willing to participate in the design of this new agency to impact a large portion of their lives. that includes international. i remember my colleagues at the israeli security agency, well known for their 40 years of focus on aviation security around the globe. they could not have been more deliberative they want to check very but then they can bring back and integrate into the design which is critical and then to establish the
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standards are lower than which we would never go with regard to mandating the new agency. so that partnership and those to open those doors and windows to new ideas and then to establish as well as he possibly could do it. >> thank you very much so all four of you have talked about the workforce to pay adequate for the job. and to give them the support and a lot of us have pursued that for quite a while currently to make that a reality like we should do
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that. the chair recognizes the ranking member of the full committee. >> good see all of the witnesses today. and i'm happy to have this moment. and i just want to make it clear that since i have been in congress we haven't talking about better paid for the front-line workers in making minimum progress in most of that opposition of title v funding if we don't get the issue fixed i will supported going forward. the reason i was concerned his people in the headquarters
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they are doing just fine i'm worried about the front-line workers and their ability to have an adequate very serious job that they have i am not backing down at as well past time to institutionalize that salary for them. just strictly because you are in the job now i agree what they said the emerging technology the bad guys seem to be quite adept at creating. and then to take down a good-sized airplane. . . . .
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bizarre to please thanks to your support in the support of this committee in 2019. we awarded an option for three and a 14 more midsize systems but when i look at the length of time it's going to take us to get to all 2400 systems put in the country that's a very long that's a very, very long time. what i asked making a look at is given the contract vehicles we're going to have in place or currently have in place, how much could we spent every year reasonably to be able to accelerate the implementation of the story important technology. the answer is about 350 billion a year.
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it's about five years to get it all done but you can't buy them all or replace them all and then need to be sequence. there's also manufacturing capability but it's really critical for us to get this technology in place as soon as we can and make can't describe the difference that technology provides in its really critical. >> thank you mr. chairman. i think this is a message that's really important for our nation's security. i want to switch gears and talk about the topic of legislation it's important bipartisan legislation to raise its global des line and will improve
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pandemic travel so can you explain how it will streamline international travel while enhancing security? >> i will do that in a number of ways. the airports that we have agreements with because we will specify what standards do we require in their partnership requires coming to them and we will promote the establishment of congress with this technology around the globe particularly in the nations that have the most advanced aviation systems and we feel that will drive the technology industry to build on those standards so in total it brings the entire global aviation center up to a higher level and additionally part of the one-stop security initiative is to do covid testing and teams that are integrated with experts and our experts to assess the
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effectiveness of the regimes we put in place. in toto it decreases the security of flights bound to the united states and that's a very good thing and from a passenger passenger perspective of that means for a passenger to use a hypothetical list. let's say for arguing sake we are the one-stop agreement with london heathrow airport in the united kingdom and that means a passenger flying from heathrow to hear jfk to charlotte north carolina does not need to be screened at jfk because that screening will be satisfactorily accomplished through our desires at heathrow soap facilitates travel and also security. whenever i look at policy adjustments i'm looking for that than if it first and foremost food security and secondly how to improve it passenger
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experience. >> thank you very much mr. chairman. i think history is going to smile down on all of you because you have taken a tough situation and you have made it very good. i'm proud of all of you for the work you've done to to keep our airline safe and i'm very proud of the culture you have created whereby you listen to oversight and welcome oversight and you acted on it and you've made it a much better agency so we are on the same team here and i appreciate all the work you have done. with that mr. chairman i yield back. >> thank you very much. the chair now recognizes other members for questions they may wish to ask the witnesses. i recognize the majority and the minority. members are reminded to unmute
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yourself to be recognized for questioning. and to lead the camera on so they are visible to the chair. the chair recognizes the chairman from texas. >> thank you very much for yielding and thank you for your leadership and thank you to the ranking member for your comments. let me take a moment to address the national security administration. i have an opportunity to fly at different airports small medium and large and that i take a moment to talk to pso supervisors and managers and others about their needs and our commitment to their service. let me thank you administrator for your collective bargaining and we support the legislation
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on that important issue of professionalism and service. administrator let me go to you immediately and i will quickly try to approach others. telecine pictorial oration of the daily protection and spotting barriers and incidences that might be on planes nightstands and otherwise that you can see over the landscape that your agency and tso are stopping. >> thank you congress when. i appreciate that question not give you a sense for what we detected year-to-date in our checkpoint and these are weapons that either have around chamber or a magazine inserted into the weapon. we detected 4000. a plus live weapons in our checkpoints and the rate in our
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checkpoint is two times what it was in 2019. when i've reference the activity i go back to 20 t. because that was the pre-covid year. other weapons anything from stun guns to replica weapons almost 3400 other weapons and things like knives and things of that nature about 3280 items and what is important about our system is that we validate the identities of every single passenger as they approach the screen checked point and this is the time to ensure we do provide the right level screening based on what the passenger may represent. we have detected over 300 washington i.d.s already and with the advent of their forensic technology those numbers will continue to go up.
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i should also mention and i appreciate your support for officers and air marshals federal air marshals performer really critical function of in-flight security and security in and around the airport. replace our federal air marshals on flights where we deem there's there is more risk than others and this is also a job that is not easy to perform. they have to be alert 100% of the time and ready to quickly jump into action. so i join me in recognizing our front-line workforce and all those who support enable them to do the great work that they do. >> thank you so very much. please try to get my few seconds and because i value and appreciate your leadership or the taliban is in control of afghanistan. we know what happened years ago,
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20 years ago, just an assessment of how difficult or how important though domestically based even though we have an infrastructure and what may be the proposed or new volatility. >> i have seconds. >> khobar some in jackson-lee thank you for the question. an important question. i go back to my opening comments and we have great imagination to think about what the next array of threats may be and in doing so recognizing we hope we never catch a terrorist at the checkpoint. there are a lot of failures that could lead to that happening but i will tell you the last line of defense in the airport is clearly the tso on the front lines.
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>> can i jump in? i'm so sorry admiral. >> they are still in a number of gaffes in the collections opportunities leading to a direct threat posed by the taliban at this point so the tso in the tsa would be more crucial when they are doing their job to make sure no one slips through the cracks. >> mr. lloyd? >> i will endorse what they said. the criticality of the link between the intelligence world of tsa and the rest of the intelligence community is absolutely crucial to being able to imagine what this scenario could be so we can plan to deal with it if it actually happens. i would highlight the criticality of the positive linkage between the tsa and the
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rest of the intelligence community. >> thank you so very much and i'm sorry for the cutting off for the question. thank you for the chairman i appreciate all these gentlemen in the tsa. thank you again. >> they are chair recognizes the john from louisiana for five minutes. >> i command the chairman and ranking member for holding this hearing today on the state of tsa 20 years after 9/11. we certainly need our front-line agents who struggle every day to keep america safe. on 9/11 hijackers have been flagged in some manner by aviation by potential terror threats yet they were still allowed to get on the plane due
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to the security protocols at the time. since then the nation has responded with the department of homeland security creation in the tsa and over last 20 years we have adjusted to this new enhanced level of screening in safety and we appreciate the professionalism that we witnessed every day. we have evolved. tsa has changed and american citizens have adapted to the changes. we expect that the intelligence failures prior to 9/11 will not be repeated. the pentagon is actively warning congress of the increased likelihood of terrorist attacks on u.s. soil. it's critical with heightened threat levels that all national security are reviewed and sufficiently addressed.
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it's with that spirit that i point out the tsa web site currently has 16 forms of identification that are expected to get on an airplane. these documents are not codified into law and are subject to change based on bureaucratic orders and rules. the tsa web site states in coordination with dss -- tsa has use special circumstances that checkpoints. many would consider this a loophole that has allowed undocumented human beings to access airplanes across the country. administrator could you address that and give a brief response?
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as secretary mayorkas instructed the tsa to allow undocumented migrants on a plane without one of the 16 acceptable identification documents? >> we work very hard with hyundai committed new arrivals into the country and follow-on air travel to ensure that we know who they are. >> excuse me sir you are saying that an undocumented person getting on an airplane the department of homeland security himself readily admits and we are positive who they are. we are accepting who they tell us they are. and you ask say you are accepting their. >> we use the same date as customs and border protection.
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>> americans need to know and i get it you are accepting the border protection and what they are saying to you but america needs to know our undocumented illegal immigrants transported to another part of our country are they getting on airplanes without a picture i.d. and without the american government and border protection's tsa department of homeland security are they getting on airplanes to travel when we readily admit that we are sure who they are and they do not have photo i.d.. they don't have acceptable forms of identification so yes or no are these people getting on a plane? >> people are getting on the planes after they are thoroughly screened. >> thoroughly screened by who? >> i tsa sir. >> screen by tsa you made going
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through checkpoints? >> yes sir. >> in the interest of time i have to have my photo i.d. to go to third tsa checkpoints. illegal immigrants when they are going on an airplane are they required to have a photo i.d., yes or no? we have proper places for people who don't have the photo i.d.. >> are they required to have a photo i.d.? it's a simple answer. you can the gentleman answer my question in? can the gentleman answer my question in? can the gentleman answer my question? >> the time of the chair has expired. >> no, no. >> any answer my question?
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it's a yes or no answer. >> your time has expired. i'm going to cut your mic off. >> i asked a question and you have allowed my colleagues to answer their questions. >> if you can be civil. >> i'm trying to be civil mr. chairman. it's a yes or no question. wiley answerer not? >> i'm not going to put the administrator this position. your time has expired. i recognize the chairman for new jersey mr. payne. >> thank you mr. chairman. can you hear me? >> yes, we hear you.
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go ahead. >> thank you. [inaudible] we have very sophisticated technology to provide a defense against a terrorist attack. unfortunately the benefits have not evolved an agency with longtime employees. unlike the system used by most federal agencies the system doesn't provide regular increases. increases are based on budget
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and only fixing the problem of low pay has proven to be difficult for congress and the administration across party lines. the tsa received regular salary increases and that's a yes or no. >> yes sir. >> yes they do. >> yes they do. >> absolutely. >> great. we are all on the same page. but it seems like it's been a 20 year effort to get this enacted. we have funding increases for an
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appropriations process. >> yes sir. >> yes sir it would. >> okay. i thank you all for your answers. i just don't understand why with the legislation that the chairman has put forward we cannot get to the end goal of making our csio's the frontline for the men and women in the field that has kept us safe for 20 years and cannot be compensated in a manner in which they should be. it is just a failure on our part, all of us here.
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it has not happened and it really pains me to see this constant i don't know, situation where it do people working the hardest and the people on the frontlines and the people that are doing the work at times are never -- compensated as well as the people sitting in the office and it's just not right. hearkens back a note to the country where the people working the hardest are treated the worst and we just have to stop it and without mr. chairman i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back the
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chair recognizes the gentleman from mississippi for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman. i want to thank you for the hard work that you do every day in keeping the traveling public say. tsa's officers are dedicated and they are hard-working public servants doing a difficult job in protecting our homeland. i want to follow up on congressman higgins question as it relates to the importance of photo i.d. and the a screening process. we know that is something that has been required since 9/11 for members of the traveling public to show some sort of photo i.d. that your men and women use during that process. i know first-hand when i was on the border at mcallen immigrants in the airport waiting to board flights did not
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have a photo i.d.. my question to you is how can we adequately used green migrants without a photo identification. every american getting on a a plane hack and we adequately screened those who do not have a photo i.d. available? >> with migrants it may not have a photo i.d. in their possession we rely on the biometric information when they cross the border. when we have the technology to have that information right in front of us for screening. our protocols always require different levels of screening based on the level of identity verification that we have so if you come to a checkpoint and you do not have a photo i.d. we have processes in place where we do whatever we can to see if we can
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establish her identity in this case we cross it with the cbp colleagues and then we provide screening to make sure a person doesn't have anything that would concern us on their carry-on bags are on their person and the check baggage. >> let me ask you this tsa ever riveted any migrants from boarding flights and have there have been instances where the tsa has told customs and border patrol that you will not allow the migrant to travel? >> i don't have the exact numbers but when we have and then decide -- satisfied with the department and we have gone back and done additional work so the traveler may not travel at all but i don't have the specific numbers in front of me. >> let me ask you about a particular program.
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the cdc wants asked if that was something that tsa is working on and at this time i would ask the clerk if she would please put up a photo to accompany my question and mr. chairman i would like this photograph to be entered into the record as well. i will let you know -- thank you mr. chairman. this is a photograph that was taken by dca and it says there's a photo capture of a particular section of the document that i want to question. as a relates to migrants migrants may decline to have their photograph taken as part of the screening process. it would seem to me that we have a system for united states
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citizens where we are required by law for tsa to show photo i.d. before traveling in them we have a separate system for noncitizens in which not only had they not required to show a photo i.d. that they can decline to have their photograph taken if they decide to do so. i would ask if at all possible please talk about the disparities when u.s. citizens travel in the migrants travel and if migrants are required to have their photos taken that as a citizen i don't have the ability to decline to present a photo i.d.. >> i'm unaware of any circumstance where an undocumented individual has declined to have their photo taken. >> but they do have that option do they not? did they have the option and i'm not trying to be argumentative
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but you would agree with me that document says that they have the option to decline to have their photograph taken. >> i'm not aware of any circumstance where that has occurred. >> the gentleman's time has expired. the chair recognizes the gentleman from california. >> thank you mr. chairman. can you hear me okay? >> yes, we can. >> i want to thank the chairman and the ranking member mr. katko for holding this hearing. i remember their members of the 20 the anniversary of 9/11 and you are absolutely right. i remember 20 years ago watching civilians run from those burning buildings while first responders were essentially running in knowing they were probably facing certain death. today the lessons are we also
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have to be ready and that's what this hearing is all about. we talk about our tsa workers. i also chair the committee on transportation so this issue is very near and dear to my heart. when we look at the issue of profession nobody would question what we pay our police officers. they do the job and they put it out there and one of the witnesses mentioned the last line of defense for airlines is essentially those tsa officers. those people who are looking to their screens are really being pained for making those passengers open their luggage and make sure there's nothing there that shouldn't the.
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we have to make sure that professionals and the folks that are there for 30 years we need their professional expertise to protect us in the air. mr. burkowski i would ask you to contain to think about specialized workforce and making sure that americans have the last line of defense. the last line of defense is the best that i have a question for you when it comes to i.d.. remembering 9/11 those folks that got him most airlines had a valid i.d.. the problem we had was our intelligence system. maybe they should have been questioned twice before they got on the flight but they weren't. we are asking homeland security to be silent and number two the
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issue of i.d.s as secondary to making sure that those people don't have an explosive on them and making sure that they can actually board a plane. we can have an i.d. anywhere in the world and get on the flight. we just have to make sure we coordinate with the rest of the world and their friends in frenemy so to speak. ..
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the other thing i would emphasize is our system is built on layers of security. we don't rely on any single layer to ensure that someone who gets on the plane should be on a plane. we have multiple layers. as was mentioned at the beginning in many ways at the tariffs present himself for screening we've already had some issues in the other layers that should pick that up before that person even arrived. going back to the migrants for a second, an undocumented individuals with follow-on travel in this country come with captured their biometrics when they cross the border. the one app does that. those biometrics are compared to our screening databases in our secure flex system. so there is given the biometric
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there is some maturity that person is not listed on any of our watchlist. as you mentioned we do to the right screening level basedou on information we have and the risk of the individual presents. the last thing out mentioned very quickly is one of those layers when you talk about 9/11, one of those layers is a robust federal air marshal service that are assigned to flights based on the risk of the flight. they are incredibly professional group of individuals and their mission is to prevent a terrorist attack in flight. . >> your time is expired spirit the chair recognizes the gentle man from south carolina. >> thank you mr. chairman. did you say that when the
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congressman put up on the tsa website that the captures are voluntary are you denying that? >> no sir. i'm saying i'm not aware of any situation that has occurred and additionally, they are biometric is already with the checks and the secure flight system is a secure the border. >> how do you check biometrics? if they don't go to the screening process? how do you get the biometrics across the border illegally? >> if we have someone present at the checkpoint. >> i'm saying if they cross illegally not to the screening process then walk me through what you do to get the biometrics. they are illegal. >> correct. and should those individuals generally not have the access between the checkpoint.
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>> you are not answering my question it is a sample on —- a simple question you don't have the biometrics if you go to the airport you have no documentation. what do you do? do you turn them away? they have the right not to have their picture. you have no information on walk me to the screening process. americans need to know this. >> i will walk you through quickly but whenever somebody presents himself without identification we have a process we go through to try to verify that identification depending on what the process shows us depends on the level of screening we provide that person or if we are not satisfied if the person should continue then they are not allowed into the area. >> i was in texas several times out of 120 states, when
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hundred were by those who had cardboard across we don't speak to show you which airport to get on her which airplane to get on. they were allowed to get on. how do you explain that quick. >> we coordinate all of those very closely with cbp. so my assumption based on the information you provide is all those individuals did cross the border and reregister with the biometrics supported by cbp. >> i don't know that. you assume. but you have to be right 100 percent of the time. the terrorist made 9/11 happened killing 3000 people as has been said they had the identification. they were just terrorist we have suicide bombers who has sophisticated things they can put in their bodies to blow
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the whole airplane up including themselves. how do you screen against that quick. >> we do a very thorough screening anything an individual is carrying on person including a patdown. >> i mean if they swallow it or put it in their cavity? >> we have a very thorough screening process. with on percent detection for carry on bags and we are very certain individual will not carry anything that could harm anybody on a flight. >> that they could put it on one of the body cavities. >> we have not seen in person. >> we have an open border of known terrorist but it is the ones we have not caught i have not heard pete with the
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objective because we have one.five or 2 million illegals coming into the country for those that get away the terrace are smart enough not to do that and you say you have 100 percent proof you will either deny access on the airplane or to protect americans to the process or you have a magic way to find out who they are. or you have no knowledge. you don't have biometrics that you have a full proof way to make sure that doesn't happen. that they don't get on the airplane and all of a sudden you find out what they have not before because they don't go through the screening process. >> people that board aircraft including the southwest border are thoroughly screened we would not permit them on aircraft if we have any concern they might present a
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threat to the aircraft with passengers on board. >> if you don't have any information how does that not present concern quick. >> we have layers of security. >> did chair recognizes the gentleman from rhode island. >> thank you for convening this hearing. you can yield the service to the nation and i will begin by thanking you for your work for your security at tsa specifically with the two pipeline security directives. however i am concerned the omb directive so i understand the public security director is rooted in existing tsa practices like aviation security and the conversation yesterday to understand that
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part of it. but then the specifics of the airport screening protocols to be highly useful to terrorist groups and then to identify vulnerabilities that enable terrorist attacks. but in the cyberrealm they don't need physical access to conduct intelligence for that physical infrastructure they could do that from anywhere in the world with those security directives which is specific vulnerabilities and then to call an emergency directives. so in my view it is cybersecurity directive and to deny itself to benefit with these directives through the feedback of the largest
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cybersecurity community so would you consider changing your policy in publishing the price pipeline directive from tsa? >> thank you very much and thank you for your time yesterday i learned a great deal talking with you as always. saying yes we will. we will take that back. you raised some very good points and our goal is to provide as much information the right cybersecurity prevented measures are to get more and more organizations those owners and operators of transportation systems in the country to have stronger cybersecurity measures in place so i take your suggestion very seriously. thank you. >> i also want to ask you about ensuring compliance with tsa with the security directives so the pipeline
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owners and operators with the compliance of tsa regulations that the tsa inspectors have on network testing. >> right now they are not doing on network testing of systems are penetration testing. was cybersecurity infrastructure and tsa are working on and that's important as well. >> and then to conduct network testing with the posture to evaluate the architecture of the network just because that entity do the human resources network from the operational technology network does not
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automatically make that true. our network testing is critical to verify those adaptations so in the absence of the testing of self reporting which i do not believe it is sufficient and for tsa to implement. >> and then to give impartiality with network testing to ensure that they actually adhere to the tsa regulations so administrator, tsa has the authority over security in the first director was issued in may and i realize this is early days but you commit to working with me by implementing to verify compliance for tsa security
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directors quick. >> i commit to working with you and i appreciate your expertise. >> thank you administrator. should he require additional statutory budget to implement the auditing? we work to obtain that support quick. >> yes sir. >> thank you very much mr. chairman. i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the gentle lady from iowa for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chair and ranking member and to all of those providing testimony to us today. since its inception in 2012 with the pre- check screening has become very popular among numbers of the traveling public and myself included. and what more can tsa do for pre- check enrollment moving forward?
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and the enrollment rates are back in 2019. and with the practice of enrolling in pre- pandemic. with your two additional vendors after pre- check enrollment and should make it much more accessible and to register and i appreciate your interest. >> and also one of the things i notice when i'm flying in and out of airports but sometimes a very large ones early in the morning or late in the evening is the pre- check lane is not operational and you don't have the lanes open. and then there's more than adequate personnel to have the
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tsa pre- check lane open. is there a number of passengers that have to go through? how does that determine like it i always count on the pre- check lane to be open? >> in the pre- standard with pre- check process so the is to open the additional lanes if we can have the five minute wait time standard. so those that have a very small number of lanes it's hard to dedicate the main for pre- check it's a process called blended screenings of the passenger in front of you may be a non- pre- check passenger to get the level of screening that requires. the next person, yourself for example gets the pre- check screening. we are using that to provide
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passengers with the convenience of pre- check in the spree one —- the speed of weight on —- pre- check there is a wait length over five minutes we open another lane. >> and then to have pre- check clearance. typically are very efficient how they package their material. and that takes a lot of time because the person in front of you have to take their belts and keys and coins and laptop. it is good to know that it is a five-minute waiting. so i will keep track of that in the future and let you know. lastly but apple recently announced but it is partnering with the tsa to have the customer reviews and driver's licenses on their phones or watches as proof of identification and then just the collaboration i always
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worry about losing my drivers license when they put it away to go to the screening process. when should we see this technology at the checkpoints and please explain the tha approach with the security efficiency benefit. >> for the mobile drivers license with that initiative with a cooperative research with the nine apple manufacturers or on —- as well. and it requires the states to also agree that their drivers license can be uploaded in the additional format. several states have agreed to that. we anticipate we will rollout the drivers license capability and select airports at the end of the calendar year or into
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early calendar year 2022. it's right around the corner. >> thank you so much for that it is exciting it will come to the forefront so i will check in my space at the airport and i yield back the gentle lady from new york i think the panelist for the expert witness in my first question is to the entire panel in a 20 years since the tsa formation the agency funded a wide range of threats which continue to evolve. what has emerged as the prevalent challenges to the tsa mission for the workforce and the resources?
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administrator? >> i appreciate that and with respect to emerging over the past several years the prevalence of the domestic terror threat. with the risk management process and then the impactful it was a change of the threat it was a physical threat and the cyberthreat and then with the directives to the pipeline industry following the pipeline ransomware attack we adjust based on the changes of the threat or the linkages to the intelligence community to make sure we stay ahead we change our procedures and our technology i that is in
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response to your question. >> and what was presented to the workforce with additional training and resources. >> it presents itself to the workforce in a number of ways the key remedy we have for that is to ensure the workforce has the right tools to do the very important job that they have so some of the technologies we talked about this morning the new x-rays systems those are very important to putting the right tools in the hands of our workforce additionally what is important as well is to have a significant physical presence to deter any potential threat actors from acting out and this is relevant in the case of domestic terrorist. >> any other panelist care to respond quick. >> yes.
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fortunately so the murder of the execution and then to describe the challenge and we were shot in the back so it is an issue of the mind of the tso and what happens with somebody with that mindset can simply go through security and that is a challenge and with law enforcement in addition to other resources. >> let me just add. i was in your put at the
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morning when the brussels airport attacks when the sewer say suicide bombers detonated there by gauge in the public area these are far more challenging than they used to be and are clearly a potential area we do a great job no sterile areas but the public are a grave concern and as people can rapidly radicalize people to find like-minded ideological individuals on the internet and social media makes it hard to stay ahead of that. >> in keeping that tsa works closely with other agencies across federal government throughout the covid-19 pandemic.
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so there are areas in which tsa still needs to improve the interagency coordination effort. >> the interagency coordination efforts are outstanding we have strong relationships across the board with other interagency partners. the area to focus for us not that the relationships need improvement but the focus will be even more so on the surface transportation system and the safety that exist with the department of transportation but the relationships are very strong and important to us. >> i yield back thank you. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from michigan for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman and take you to our witnesses for joining us here today i appreciate the timely look back on the 20th with
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airport security not limited to that but that touches on my first question for the administrator the tsa resources focusing on commercial aviation your agency also has responsibility for mass transit, freight rail and the ransomware attack for the colonial pipeline earlier this year so here is my question to you and those that for adequate resources with congress your by dhs leadership? and this affects our
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allocation within the current budget year. and how the risk has changed and this has informed by intelligence and then for the government partners and private sector partners across the board and the assessed risk as the rest changes and then also organization and with the 2018 we authorization and then for surface transportation security and to have a similar staff and policy operations and with that service operation that is clearly identified organization and finally we
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have established regional networks with a leader and a member of the senior executive service around the country all aligned with the fema regions with the interactions with those owners and operators to be available to them hundreds of inspectors to do the important work we do. >> and those that were put under tsa close to two decades and that reorganization and early 2000 looking back to 15 or 20 years of operation do you think they should be reassigned under dhs. >> no sir i do not think those omissions are exactly the right missions and we have demonstrated that over the course of 20 years and i would just highlight with respect to the colonial pipeline because
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of the authorities congress has provided us and we can move very quickly to mitigate any future attacks on the critical pipeline system so the missions that we have is exactly right for tsa and then to coordinate robustly with those surface transportation systems and with those how they collaborate with a specific intelligence community but also with private sector security so what type of coordination problems persist in and how we
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change procedures and then the way that we do that is to bring the two security officers and provide them in the intelligence brief and then collaborate closely with them to achieve the security outcomes that we know we have to achieve we been very successful with doing this and with the net results of a private sector who understands the threat and the rationale >> for the private sector operators, they can also offer different ways of accomplishing the security outcome we want to accomplish. sometimes their measures are more effective because they know better than we do at times and from a cost perspective, as long as we can achieve the security outcome we will approve what they call the
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affirmative measures. >> thank you, and thank you, mr. chairman, i yield back. >> the chairman recognizes the gentle lady from nevada for five minutes. thank you, mr. chairman. i'd like to ask the administer about the new opening of the national travel markets. we were-- i represented and at the airport. and we welcome a lot of international travelers and we expect that number to increase, and especially it's the administration that lifted the restrictions on the number of places around the world. at the same time that these travelers are going to be coming, american travelers are going out again. they have the need to go out and travel after a year and a half of being locked down. so, we're going to see a lot more people in the air. and now, we've seen that the aviation structure really
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wasn't prepared to deal with so many at one time, kind of like the problem after 9/11, and i wonder how tsa is preparing to welcome all of these new travelers, especially the international ones, and what resources you might need, something we might be able to do to help us accommodate them. we know that travel begins the minute you leave the house, and so your airport experience is a part of how you remember the trip of going and coming. so, could you address that for us? >> yes, congresswoman, happy to address that and one of the things that's important for us is that we, when working with the carriers, project what we think air travel will be for the coming year and i know that's hard to do sometimes the further out you go. but we've been very successful in identifying a window of, you know, the minimum and the maximum number of passengers, except for the covid years, but certainly, we were, in fact,
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very, very close to our estimates for the summer. and what that does is drive the requirements for staffing around the country and what's important here is that because of the training that is necessary to certify one of our officers in the important jobs that we have at the check points. we really need to hire people a good four to five months ahead of when the passenger need will be. and so, we're in the process now of really looking at next summer's travel projections and ensuring that we bring on an adequate number of security officers to handle that demand. finally. we work very closely with the airports, like your airport in las vegas, to do whatever we can and we welcome that and we can manage, and when a lot of
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the flights depart and they tend to go challenging for everybody, not just screening, but to get through ticketing and to get out to the gate. >> and we've got a lot of people going through that, and i am glad to hear that and a lot of questions for the international travelers is their ability to read the signs. i know if i'm in china in an airport and i can't read the signs, i'm going to be lost and we have a lot of international travelers, as well as the fact that a lot of places in the international city in terms of residence, our committee, and thank you, mr. chairman, for helping with this, has the translate act and got out of the house and stuck in the senate, but that was to be sure that all the signage and several different languages, as well, is access able for people who are visually or hearing impaired. is tsa making any progress along those lines even if the bill didn't pass? >> yes, ma'am.
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in fact at las vegas airport, the las vegas airport authority has been kind enough to provide an entire check point to tsa to test out our newest technologies and the benefit of this arrangement at las vegas is that we can actually devert passengers to this check point and have actual passengers go through some of our changed processes or new technologies, so we can assess how it actually works in a real life situation. one of the things we look at in terms of signage are called totems, they're electric signs that can be changed to providing information in different languages and often times, we can make a pretty good guess at what languages would need to be acomplicated in a different airport, given where the flights are flying off to or coming from. so, a lot of work is being done on that to provide as much easy information as we possibly can to passengers. >> that's great. and i know that mccarron and the innovation check point you've been using uv screening
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as well to clean the luggage places and is that working out? have you been able to translate some of the things that you've discovered there to other airports? >> yes, and we're still testing that uv technology out, and essentially when the bins get returned in what are calling automatic screening lanes. these are 70 foot lanes allowing multiple people to divest and that improves flow and it makes sure that when we want to search a bag that it's not accessible to that passenger, so the passenger can't reach the bag that we know we need to search and there's plenty of room for them to recompose after the screening process is done, the idea is that those bins, as they travel back to the front of the lane, would be uv scanned and that would reduce the virus load in those bins. and our testing shows it works
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well and we are testing different times to dwell and the brightness of the light. if this continues to proceed, i would expect that we would have that as an option in our systems across the nation. >> all right. and i know you've got that -- you can scan your own i.d. thank you, mr. chairman, and good news, i yield back. >> chair recognizes the gentleman from georgia for five minutes. >> thank you, chairmanment i thank you for this opportunity and this hearing. this question would be for administrator pekoske. earlier i joined colleagues in april to witness the crisis in the country that we're experiencing at our southern border. on our way back there were multiple illegal migrants apprehend prior to our flight. we were told there were several individuals on the known
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terrorist data base that had been apprehended at the border. with such a quick turn around time in processing migrants that illegally cross, 48 to 72 hours, are is tsa ensuring that the systems are not compromised. these are illegal migrants and many have not received a thorough medical assessment and what concerns me greatly. how do we know whether these people have a criminal record in their home country? so what information are you relying on to properly vet migrant passengers? you're doing it within 48 to 72 hours, how are you doing that? >> sir, the vetting we've done is electronically so that the time is not the critical factor here, essentially what we do, we take the buy graphic information and compare that to
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watch lists that we hold in the u.s. government to ensure that nobody who is a known or suspected terrorist is admitted into the airport without either very thorough screening or they might be in a category where they're not permitted to fly. they're at different levels that we assess. so, it's based on biographic biometric information and we may not have information on their criminal history in their home country, but, you know, we do have that good biometric information compared to our watch list. >> okay, so i heard you in previous testimony talk about enhanced screening and multiple layers and i think you said you do whatever we can. but if a person doesn't actually have i.d., all right, and their name is joe and they tell you that their name is sam, all right. now, am i correct in that prior to getting on these flights, that if they don't have i.d., you actually create a government i.d. for them, is
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that right or not? >> no, sir, that's not right. we make assessment passenger to passenger as to whether or not we think a passenger should be permitted into the airport or onto an aircraft. so it's a very individualistic look and i'm very confident that we do that carefully and successful for every passenger that boards an aircraft. >> okay. so every american that flies has to have a photo i.d., all right? that actually verifies who they are. yet, what you're telling me then, an illegal migrant doesn't have to have a photo i.d. and we don't necessarily know who they are, you might screen them to make sure they don't have, you know, knives or whatever, something illegal on the airplane, but we don't know if they're a criminal coming into this country that has ill-intent, something beyond the airport itself, or not, isn't that -- is that what
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you're telling me that you don't know that? >> so, this goes back to our multiple layers of security. i'll tell you we do know, we do know that any person who is permitted into the airport, or boards an aircraft, has been properly screened so that the-- that they do know the pose a risk to that aircraft or other people in the sterile area, i can guarantee you of that. >> all right. so it's okay for tsa to allow people on an aircraft without an actual government issued i.d. on what authority do you allow that? >> we have to have one. >> yes, sir, and i have the authority as the administrator to allow that and there are passengers who are american citizens who could he -- who occasionally do not have their i.d. with them. we have a verification process to see if we can verify the identity and make the judgment
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at the time in the criteria on the agency and assure that all passengers are thoroughly screened before they board an aircraft. >> okay. all right. let me follow up with you on this, tsa requires anyone travelling from other countries to provide a confirmed negative covid-19 test within 72 hours prior to their entering the united states. is this same standard being pay plied to illegal migrants as well? >> to the best of my knowledge it is not being applied to migrants, that's a centers for disease control decision. >> okay, but yet, you enforce it, right? >> customs and border protection and tsa enforce it, yes, sir. >> okay, all right. >> okay. chair recognizes the gentle lady from-- >> thank you, i'll yield back. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and
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thank you to each of our witnesses for this very informative discussion that we're having. let me associate myself with comments on behalf the conversation and the recognition of the significance of our frontline workers here, our tso's and they have the predictability, a pathway for a career and this would help us with the morale issues. i have, i think, a rather unique question. in the 21st century, you may not need a terrorist aboard a plane to hijack it, planes, trains, subways and buses become increasingly automated we need to be prepared for hijackers inevitably put lives at risk by launching a cyber attack by operational or navigation systems of the projection as we've seen in
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recent ransomware attacks, our adversaries consider no target off limits. how does tsa work with interagency departments to keep malware from the operational systems from the trains, planes, buses, et cetera? are you in conversation with cisa, the f.a.a. and other regulators to assure this threat is addressed and that tsa plays a significant role in mitigating it? >> please. >> yes, ma'am, thank you, congresswoman for your question, and yes, we're in very close coordination with cisa for sure and then with all of the modes in the department of transportation, whether it's f.a.a., fimsa, railroads, et cetera. so that coordination is very good. additionally it's important that we coordinate closely with the owners and operators of those systems and also to bring
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on cyber security expertise within tsa and to ensure that we have quick, strong connections with cisa to benefit from their expertise overall. so i think we've made a lot of progress on cyber security already, but i recognize and i think you would agree that a lot more needs to be done. and another key element, just to quickly mention, is we are offering very specific briefings to the ceo's and ciso's so they understand the urgency of getting at it. >> thank you, and i also know that there was an apologizery issue -- advisory from you all on the attack on the pipeline and wondering if you're considering the same kinds of oversights and accountabilities from these other transportation systems, the airplanes, the buses, the subways on the trains?
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i think that these are reasonable targets and i don't know if you are engaged in those discussions. i don't know if you have enough resources to be able to address this area and i'd like to have your response to that so that we could be as helpful as possible. >> yes, ma'am, we're engaged with the owners and operators and in private sector companies. there's been a very good dialog to date. we will, of course, base our actions based on the risks that we see. so the risk to one element of surface might not be the same as the risk to the other or even in the pipeline sector, certain pipeline owners and operators we felt at greater risk to others. and it's robust and it will continue and support the 60-day that the secretary put in place which began the first of september and runs through october. and there's been an awful lot of effort on that and i think we've made some very good progress.
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>> thank you mr. chairman, i yield back. >> thank you. the chair recognizes the gentleman from florida, mr. jimenez. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. and listening to the testimony, i had a line of questioning but i'm going to change my line of questioning. so administrator, in order for somebody to get from europe to the united states, what do they need to show us and in terms of covid? do they need to show they're vaccinated? do they need to show a negative test. somebody coming from europe, what do they need to show? >> new procedures will come in place shortly where they'll need to show they're vaccinated and have had a test within a certain number of hours prior to flight. >> and somebody coming from canada, what do they need to show? >> the same, sir. >> by air. >> same thing. >> somebody crossing the border from the south, what do they
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need to show? >> they don't need to show the same things coming from the southwest border, and this is also based on advice we've received from the centers for disease control. >> so the centers for disease control seems to think that somehow the virus somehow is more contagious coming from europe and from canada than it is coming from the southern border, which kind of blows up the whole argument about following the science, doesn't it? >> sir, i'm not a medical expert. >> no, no, sir, that's not for you. that's my comment. the whole thing about following the science is a bunch of hooey if we tell canadians that they have to be vaccinated and show a proof of negative test, we do the same thing with europeans, and we do nothing for people crossing the southern border. so this whole thing about the c.d.c. following the science it really doesn't. it follows political science, but not really the science, so,
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you know, it's very, very, very illuminating, today's testimony. one thing i would like to ask, one thing that i do support is the follow-ups that the tsa agents are doing with these different kinds of guidances from the c.d.c. and everybody else, the fine work they do on the ground and would i hope that you find a way to increase their pay and benefits for those doing the great work that the tsa does, and i know that i proposed that during our markup to actually increase the pay and unfortunately the majority, you know, voted it down. so what steps are you taking to increase the pay and the benefits of those people that are on the ground doing this great work? >>iest yes, sir, he couldn't agree with you more, i think it's imperative to increase pay for anyone in tsa especially the frontline work force, compared to what they get paid and counterparts in the government get paid.
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they have very, very difficult jobs to do and significant responsibility on their shoulders and arduous work hours and up until 3:00 in the morning to open the screening process. my top priority is to continue to improve pay, but i want to improve it and i know that the chairman agreed with this 100% as substantially as we can to get the equity in the system and properly compensate people going forward. i would note that we have made attempts and made progress in increasing pay, but it's not enough. it's important for us, we have a spent a lot of money with people that come into the tsa and find, and identify for us the number one reason they leave is because of the pay. and it's very expensive to recruit and retain people without adequate pay structure. so i'm 100% in support of that and work hard to get across the finish line. >> thank you, administrator and
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i yield my time up. >> chair recognizes the gentle ahead from florida for five minutes. >> well, thank you so much, mr. chairman and thank you to our witnesses for being with us today to discuss, of course, this extremely important issue. i want to first of all associate myself with the remarks of my colleagues to pause for a moment to take a time for the tso's for the extraordinary job that they do every day. we all travel a lot and i think it's important that we let them know that we see them, that we hear them, and that we do appreciate them. and since 9/11 we all know that we have come a long way in terms of, i believe, preparation. and interagency cooperation. we've heard discussion about that, information sharing. but admiral, you've said something to the effect that,
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you find little comfort in the fact that we have not been attacked in 20 years. meaning that we must remain ever vigilant in our effort to make sure that we are not attacked, and admiral, you mentioned that you felt there was more work to do in terms of establishing a better link between the tsa and the i.t. community. could you just talk a little more about that? >> yes, ma'am. thanks for your question. my reference was to where we were on 9/11/01 and where we found ourselves 20 years later and that's the purpose for the look back on the committee and i was endorsing, a constant, the responsibility of the committee itself as well as the administrator and the people in the executive branch of government to be conscious of
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and focused on continuing that linkage between the intelligence community rit large and that information from within the intelligence community that can be actionable for tsa and to the degree that we continue to focus on that. we don't assume that we're there, don't assume that we'll be there in the future, but rather, it's one of the elephants of constant focus that we always have on our table. both in the administrator's chair and in the committee's discussions with regard to their responsibilities and that we just don't begin to take for granted once we're there we'll stay there. this is an evolutionary challenge, just as we heard with regard to the comments about afghanistan and the resurgence of the taliban, if that is an opportunity for us to be concerned, we should focus on that and the continuing manner going into the future. >> thanks for your thought on that or your focus. >> thank you so much for your
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response on that. administrator, since 9/11, some have the tsa's mission and operations drawn on and contributed to the work of the intelligence community. >> well, thank you, congresswoman. and it's interesting because i'm testified from the national intelligence university in bethesda where i'm on the board of visitors. there's a selections cycle that's inherent in what tsa does and i know i was impressed by the fbi in 2010 to become the administrator, how robust and informed tsa was in the intelligence briefings. and tsa was getting the same information that the fbi was and it's inherent upon and reliance on the risk based securities. and one of the keys is risk
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paysed intelligence driven. you can't just do it in a vacuum. is there an al qaeda threat out there? is there a bomber or hijacker, and that's the way it started off in terms of having that intelligence informed start to say, here is where we need to go based on intelligence. >> thank you so much, mr. chairman, i can't see the clock, do i have time for one more question? and administrator, very quickly, we know on the frontline with tso's our local law enforcement and i think we continue to further build more functional and effective relationships. could you just talk a little about the information sharing working relationship with
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local law enforcement? >> local law enforcement, critical to the safety of everybody in the airport. they have been wonderful partners with us, airports around the country and orlando absolutely included in that from your time there. local law enforcement is very important now for even more so because we're seeing more disturbances, both in flight and in check points, and local law enforcement is right there to make sure that our officers are fully protected and the situation deescalated as quickly as it can be. and the public area security is very, very important and local law enforcement presence and sometimes augmented by our open teams from tsa is important to let people know that law enforcement is there, present, roaming around and if anybody has a situation, they are readily nearby to be able to address it. so, i am very, very proud of our partnership with local law enforcement and salute the law
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enforcement officers particularly this week for their service to our country and to our officers. >> thank you so much, mr. chairman. i yield back. thank you. >> the gentle lady yields back, and the chairman recognizes the gentle lady from new york. >> thank you mr. chairman, and thank you to the ranking member for being here and the witnesses. both of my questions are for the administrator. and one thing i'm going to submit to the record. i have a report here by security score card. they conducted on the pipeline security shortly after the colonial attack. the report notes while the cyber security pipeline industry as a whole is better than the fortune 500 there's a wide variance in the industry with colonial at the bottom of the list before the breach. i'm going to submit this report for the record and send it with questions and hope you can look through it and get me some answers to those questions because i'm sure you haven't seen the reports yet. >> without objection. >> without objection.
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>> and i'd be happy to look at it and provide reaction to it, thank you. >> thank you. so my other questions though now are, as you know, the bulk of the tsa's funding and focus on commercial aviation, and responsibility of security of cargo, air cargo and the transit, freight, and highway infrastructure, pipeline and ferries. does tsa have the appropriate funding dedicate today working on pipeline security? if not, what additional resources or support would you need from congress to fulfill this responsibilities? >> yes, sir, we've increased the pipeline of our security staff significantly offer the past couple of years and the staff of all of our surface transportation security mode so we're making progress in that regard. additionally we have added about 54 cyber professionals, both on the policy side, and on the operations side with, you know, with that critical cyber
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security expertise that's so important across the entire system. and you know, to include aviation and surface. but these are dedicated primarily to surface transportation. rest assured we will include in our budget request any resources that we need. we recognize of course, that the risk is changing with domestic terrorists becoming more prominent in our risk profile and we want to make sure that we do everything we can, the assistance that we provide to owners and operators of the system is as robust as possible so i thank you for your question. >> you mentioned domestic terrorists and it seems with cyber security most is from overseas. is that something you're seeing as far as the-- >> yes, sir, mostly overseas based. >> thank you. and i want to go, ts. a has issued two security directives to the pipeline industry following the attack on colonial. could you provide the community to an update where things stand
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and is the pipeline industry better prepared to defend against future attacks? >> sure, the pipeline has done questionly better prepared to attacks. and there's been 100% compliance. and the second security directive have deadlines that have not been achieved in terms of hey, we've got deadlines later into 2022. but so far the dialog we've had with the owners and operators subject to those directives has been very, very good and i think we're on a very good path with the security directive two and we intend to take what we've learned from both directors and pipeline and apply it more broadly across the transportation sector. >> i know you have said before, you are working with ceo's and ciso's of companies making sure they're better prepared, is
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that across the pipeline of owners and operators, as well as across the board, i guess? >> very receptive and very regular as well, to have, you know, we have regular opportunities to engage to make sure that we're all on track to get the cyber directors fully implemented and also look at other ways that we might provide better cyber security overall for the system. additionally, any ceo knows if they want to call and talk to me about anything, that that's their privilege to do and i'd be happy to have those conversations. >> i appreciate that. and one final question, just switching, and tsa pre-check, i understand that the tsa has entered into three more contracts for tsa services, what steps to make sure there's no brand confusion between the companies and provide the services and equivalent level of service? >> yes, sir, that's something that we're very, very focused on to make sure that when we roll out two additional vendors
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for pre-check enrollment that there is no brand confusion there and we will work with both of those vendors as we get through the i.t. certification process with both of them, so that we're well prepared when the rollout time comes. if you could give me more detailed answers later on. that would be great and i yield back. >> thank you very much. the chair recognizes the gentle lady from california for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and if i went to the airport today and didn't have a photo i.d., is it true that i might still be able to fly, is that correct? >> yes, ma'am, that's correct. >> and matter of fact isn't it true on there's an entire section that says forgot your i.d., question mark, and talk through the procedures to go through if you don't have an i.d.? >> yes, ma'am, it happens every
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day across the system. >> i wanted to clarify that because there's not a different standard. it's not like if you're in the united states you're a citizen, and you show up at the airport you're going to be denied a flight, but if you're migrant and you have other paper work that you're allowed to board. as a matter of fact, a few months ago i was at an airport and i assisted a migrant and saw and witnessed firsthand what they did, where you had migrants with paper work from c.d.c. showing that they had been registered at the border and were proceeding on and i have to tell you, it was a very thorough process, so i want to thank you for the work that the men and women are doing to ensure that our flights are safe. my two sisters are flight attendants, there's nobody more important to me than family making sure we're taking care of those in our skies and the american people. so, i wanted to say thank you for that. i want to talk a little bit
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about the topic of unruly passengers. last week, a major u.s. carrier proposed creating a centralized data base of unruly passengers ensuring that passengers banned by one airline for hazardous behavior can be treated similarly by other carriers. let's start with you, administrator. what is your reaction to this proposal and if the major carriers move forward with the tsa implementing it? >> thank you, ma'am. before i answer that question, please thank your sisters for the very, very important work they do as flight attendants. that's a very difficult job and as we've seen in flight services going up over time and it's more difficult over the course of the summer and appreciate the work that all the attendants and flight deck do to keep our systems secure. with respect to the individual
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carrier, no-fly list. carriers have made a judgment and many of them have, when passengers refuse a wear a mask or in-flight disturbance that they deny future flights on the carrier. the challenge is that the standard carrier may be somewhat different and so, in terms of, you know, across the system. i personally do not see a role for tsa there. i think that the private sector carrier to private sector carrier in terms of how they want to coordinate what they do and share information, but i would be concerned about the standards that they apply to place somebody on the list and really, you know, the better terminology for the list, no-fly means something different, to tsa. that means that there's a connection with terrorism, when you say no-fly in tsa. and these are really do not boards. and you know, that there's a flight, do not board in the future, but i know they're
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going to continue to work on this collaboration across the carriers. >> thank you for that. i'm not sure i completely agree. i think it's a safety issue, but i completely understand there was just to go around the panel, does anybody else want to comment on their reaction to this proposal? >> okay. hearing none, i will move on to the next question. between march of 2020 and july 2021 there were over 85 physical assaults on tso and the in-flight disturbances you just mentioned. last week reports that a passenger choked a flight attendant and attempted to storm the cockpit on a flight from boston to san juan. earlier this summer, news reports highlighted passengers literally biting tso and in contrast only 1,230 in-flight
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disturbances in 2019. what additional action can they take despite the unruly surge in passengers? >> thank you for highlighting that situation and makes the job of a tso ever more difficult when you're subject to an assault. verbal assaults are bad enough, but physical assaults across a different threshold and we've seen an increase in physical assaults in our check points and certainly in physical assaults and verbal assaults in in-flight instances. our posture is for every disturbance we proceed with a civil penalty action, and that may or may not result in what the investigation shows. in many cases that does and we always perceive the civil penalty action. the f.a.a. controlled in-flight disturbances in aircraft, and i know the f.a.a. has been very, very forward-leaning on this and their fines are quite substantial and i think they've
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had good-- >> i don't know if my mic is on. >> and so, this is an area of significant concern for us. finally, to build on what congresswoman demings had raised, how in the check point whenever there's a disturbance, local law enforcement will proceed with a state or local charge with those individuals swell. it's basically us doing everything we can within our authorities to hold folks that create these disturbances accountable for their actions. and to base-- and to absolutely include our state and local partners in that operation. >> thank you, sir, mr. chairman, i yield back. >> thank you, chair, i appreciate it. director, i appreciate it here today and i want to talk about a couple of different topics, first, i understand that tsa plans to replace the aging explosive detection system for
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checked baggage with the same types of systems and the same standards. we know that international airports are already using better systems. could you talk to me about this and why we are upgrading the standard? >> yes, sir, i wouldn't agree that international airports are using better systems across the board. our goal is to make sure that we are the gold standard for systems that detect threats both in checked baggage and in check points. part of the update, if you will, is not necessarily a hardware upgrade in the systems. there are some rather significant software upgrades that we have made that improve our detectability in what we call the explosive detection systems in checked bags around the country. >> are there systems out there that are better? you said that you wouldn't agree that generally, they're all better, but are there systems better than hours, we want to be the gold standard,
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but once you're through the process of upgrading, will we be? >> we will be, yes, sir. and we will continue to upgrade our installed technology with software updates on a regular basis and we've made some very, very good progress there and we share that progress also with our international partners because it's in our interest as well as theirs that we have as close a standard of detection that we can. particularly for flights, obviously, destined for the united states. >> i appreciate that. as you know well, the linchpin of our securities screening system is to make sure that people are who they say they are, how can we better cooperate biometrics, in the tech machines where you put your driver's license, and give it to a tsa officer for review, how can we make that better, and include biometrics? >> we're working on just that, sir. to have what we call a
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one-to-one biometric match. when you insert your driver's license or passport into the authentication technology. what that will do in the future. it will pull your image on your credential, digitize that image and then a camera system will capture an image of you as you're standing in front of the officer and they compare the digital images together. the capability is significant, much better than if you were doing a visually and the important thing with this, that's a one-to-one match. it's not a gallery of images. it's the image on your credential. and once the passenger moves that credential, the data image is, we don't retain that, we have no further use for it. >> what's the rollout look like? will that be available to tsa pre-check people first or the c.d.c.'s global entry or the crew member program? if you're working on it what
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will that look like and what's the time frame? >> and now in several airports across the country it's worked very, very well and we have a process, whenever we prototype, our process is generally to opt in. passengers don't have to affirmatively say i want out. they taye -- say i want to use that technology. >> excuse me, with pre-checks, those folks have opted in. >> right. >> that's the place you're going to start. is that what you're saying? >> and with pre-check now we're having people provide the images, and we already have that data and that opt-in is done. as we look at technology, we like to put it first in pre-check. >> is the pace of hiring for tsa officers keeping up with attrition? >> it's keeping up and i'm concerned about hiring at all
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and everybody in the aviation industry is concerned about hiring overall. and that's one of the reasons why these issues are so important because, you know, without a predictable level of pay, that's going to increase over time. it's harder and harder to recruit people into the federal government, and harder and harder to retain into service. to me it improves our ability to recruit and vastly to retain and fundamentally it's the right thing to do. i appreciate that and i appreciate your time today. i yield back, mr. chairman. >> thank you very much. the gentleman yields back. we've had our members ask questions. what i'd like to do, to kind of wrap things up, is give our witnesses opportunity to look over the next 20 years for tsa
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and see what kind of thoughts that might have that they can provide the committee with in terms of what that 20 years on the tsa might look like. so, admiral, i'll start off with you and kind of bring it forward. >> thanks, mr. chairman. i think my thinking with regard to the adequacy of both the committees sort of inventory of concern and of course, the administrator's inventory of concerns and in making certain that there is a matching effort and of course, the hearings do that, conversation of members and tsa employees do that as well. but just my concerns for the future are just to be
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consistent with regards to what has been our concerns and i hate to say it, but over a pretty successful window these 20 years, as i indicated in my original testimony, i take no great comfort in the fact that we've been as successful as we've been over 20 years, i want to make sure that we have focus and oversight and adequate attention that continues to be vigilant going forward. so my concern would just be to take stock of what happened right now in afghanistan and see what that evolutionary change to the threat index is and how we need to be complicating for it going forward. so my notion, i remember is, is that the committee and the administrator looking into the next 20 years has the same vigilance that has proven successful for us as a country in travelling safely and
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securely for the past 20 years and making sure that the constancy of focus is not -- is never let down. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i think i would summarize my perspective for the next 20 years within the categories of personnel that we've had some great testimony about today in terms of the importance of supporting the forces, and not high attrition so people aren't looking to go to other agencies, to private sector to get better pay or better benefits. so i think that that personnel is critical to helping to continue the professionalization of the work force. the second is in policies and that relates to making sure that the administrator and the future administrators have the authority that enable him or her to make sure they can take decisive action in the face of threats and can do that in the
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inner agency arena not only that domestically, but internationally and recognized for that ability and third, as i mentioned, with technology, to make sure that we're not nickel and diming investments in technology to enhance worldclass that americans who travel expect and frankly, who the world looks to for leadership through international associations, such as iota and others, what is the u.s. doing and the trends to make sure that they are providing the world's best security in the most efficient way and those three are what i would look for in continued maturation in the next 20 years. >> thank you, admiral? >> thank you, mr. chairman. and i will, of course, echo
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exactly what my colleagues have said and let me say with respect to work force, as i said in my opening statement, it's one of the best work forces i've had the pleasure and say that after work force in the coast guard, but it's one of the most professional. we need to support them and need to pay them adequately a-and assure that we can retain them after we do so and there have been a number of things said with that already. with respect to technology, you never have a perfect system, but you can have a better system every day and it's critical that we invest in the technology refresh and improvement. i think it's also critical that we engage the private sector more effectively when it comes to that. that means getting requirements out and allowing the private sector to help develop the technologies that we need and possibly as a service the way that we look at software as a
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service so that the private sector can refresh faster than the government will be able to with respect to budgets and so forth. there's opportunity for trance transforming on a daily basis. and tsa is first and foremost an intelligence agency with a challenging frontline operations mission so i would echo that need to maintain that connection to the intelligence that helps us rapidly, what we need to forsee for the future. and i would just end by saying, i want to thank you for the support that this committee has had. i think it's critical that tsa and congress work closely together the and i appreciated the oversight when i was there. and it sounds add odd to say that you appreciate congressional oversight. but this is about making sure
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they do the right thing and you ask the right questions and dig into the right kinds of issues and in my experience, you were always very supportive of the work of the agency. so, thank you, sir. >> all right. mr. administrator. >> yes, sir, thank you, mr. chairman. i agree with what my pred cess. risk base operations going forward and the course of tsa as peter has mentioned. and i think we need to continue to assure that we best leverage the resources of the u.s. government overall and the resources of our intelligence committee and contribute to the intelligence in the united states and i think that that's key going forward. the second thing, i would emphasize is, there will be increased investment in service security. and it's imperative and the threat is changing and we just need to get about the business of doing this and we're already
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on a path and predict that will be a continuous evolution over the course of the next few years. next, rather than replace our technology at once, we need to have a continuous refresh process for our technology so that we're always at the leading edge and you know, don't make it easy for somebody to look at our system and try to assess what we can detect and not. we won't know what technology they might encounter going through the screening processes or their baggage or cargo goes through. the strong partnerships, they've been here already. in my time as an administrator. they've been a significant key to our country's success in providing transportation security and i would submit, also to success globally. because we're a global leader and we will remain a global leader and having the private sector deeply involved is critically important for us. finally, i predict that we will have a more and more specialized work force and
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technology continues to improve. we continue to hone our procedures. with that will come more clear career path for our employees. a greater overall professional development opportunities for them, and greater diversity in our work force. we have one of the most diverse work forces in the federal government at the entry level and at the front lines of our organization and our screening check points. as you mention at the very beginning of this hearing, that's not the case as you go up through the middle and upper levels of the agency and we need to fix it and fix it properly. we have stood up inclusion action community and i've established the equity and diversion committee report directly from me to make sure we have a constant effort in that regard going forward and sir, i would conclude by thanking you as a chairman. you and i have known each other for a good number of years, ranking recommend and i have
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known each other for a good number of careers. the two of you in the entire committee hold us accountable and you're always there with a solution to help us along and i greatly appreciate your oversight and leadership in this regard. sir. >> well, thank you very much. and one of the questions all of us have historically asked every administrator, we have all of the authorities and all of the budgets that you need to do your job. and somehow all of the administrators will come back with, well, congress provided us resources and we use those resources to the best of our ability. we never say yes or no, so, i guess, somewhere there's a training camp for a future tsa administrator that you never acknowledge whether you have all the authorities or all the
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monies you need. you're kind of able to do it and i think the ranking member is cognizant of that, too. let me assure you that we are committed to the mission of the agency. we've had excellent administrators, technology is the way forward and is a force multiplier for security. so we absolutely have to get it right. one thing we did not talk about is how can we expedite the cure so that by the time that the ranking member will tell you. we've got the technology, but by the time we buy it, it's already absolute. and so somehow we have to-- we've passed some legislation, but we still need to ramp it
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up. so let me thank the current administrator and past administrate for their testimony and our members for their questions. the members of the committee, we have additional questions for the witnesses and we ask that you respond expeditiously in writing to the questions. our ranking member would you want to have a closing comment or something? >> yeah, i appreciate the opportunity, mr. chairman. i just want to say, observing the back and forth today makes me proud to be part of that committee. it was productive and no gotcha questions and making sure that we do the proper oversight and that's the roll in congress and ab september theater tricks, we did a good job. i commend everybody on both sides and keep up the good work and tell everybody at tsa how
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proud we are of them and i yield back. thank you. >> thank you very much. i'm glad the ranking member mentioned that, in the screen of nonresident aliens, the policy followed now is a policy that's been in place since we started. so there's not policy of the last six months, it's the policy and so i want this hearing to reflect that there's no special policy right now. it's the policy. and so i want the administrator to reflect that going forward that his explanation was what the policy is and what it always has been. the chair reminds the members that the committee's record will remain open for 10
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cause a default on government debt payment unless congress takes action to extend the debt ceiling. live now to the floor of the u.s. senate here on c-span2. the presiding officer: the senate will come to order. the chaplain will lead the senate in prayer. the chaplain: let us pray. eternal god, supreme ruler over all the earth. your justice shall prevail. you stand within the shadows as a guardian for our nation and world. righteousness and justice provide the foundation


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