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tv   Louisville Police Chief Discusses Public Safety  CSPAN  July 26, 2021 8:31pm-8:59pm EDT

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public service along with other television providers giving a front row seat to democracy. >> louisville police chief sat down for a discussion with the washington post. she answered questions about increasing crime rate policing during the covered pandemic and the killing last year of breonna taylor by louisville police officers during a no knock raid of ms. taylor's home. >> hello and welcome to washington post live. i'm tom jackson, middle justice reporter with the washington post. today is my pleasure to introduce erica shield, as we continue our conversation about the rise in violent crimes around the country, protecting public safety and role of policing, previously police chief in atlanta, thank you for
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joining us, chief. >> thanks for having me, appreciate it. >> bradley. i have no easy questions for you, as you would expect and will start off being in louisville, crime was up in atlanta were previously worked for 25 years. crime is up in washington and virtually everywhere. shootings, homicides up. recently you noted homicide rose 95% in louisville last year end on the rise right now. having without 104th so far this year. last year was 170. why is this happening? after so manyy years of decline, we used to see this staticallyts going down year after year. what start of the change in 2020 which has continued into 2021? >> i appreciate it, i think you're asking the right questions. that is, what is different? got to figure out where.
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when i look at louisville, is similar to fanta and georgia first off in the southern states were you have lax gun laws, it does lend itself by collaboration of weaponry. you layer on top of that, there is a post component to it, individuals already marginalized will further set off aside, in particular. if you have young people with no stability in their lives, very often that sanctuary is a tool, big brothers and sisters and now they don't have any place to be or anything to do, a purpose. now we have illegal guns and
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kids with a bunch of idle time on their hands. we have a real backlash against policing which in turn, it's prompted what you are seeing is many areas and in louisville, a reluctant private officers to initiate activities can be proactive. it's not that they are anti- community or don't want to get done, it's not something associated striking, it is last year put them in a mental space where they are not sure the community wants back, they are concerned if they are involved, they will be immediately stigmatized, protesters in front of the house and acutely aware of those on the street, they may have to
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. the market different is one is the removal of kids and two, police work reactive. the only way you can as if you assert yourself as a cop intercept it ahead of time. >> you've touched on about five different things. let's go to proactive policing. talk about how to fattest crucial so last month you launched executive engagement to get commanders into the community to encourage proactive policing. i think you have been out there, to so how has background? what have you learned? i think it's only been three or four weeks but how is that going for you so far? >> previously you have to figure out what the issue is are
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facing. there are similarities but the issues i have. here's what i have encountered was officers just are not confident that demand leadership and administration and communities will support so there is a real reluctant and hesitancy to step forward and step out. on top of that high volume of resignation so i realize was lacking is a true belief in commanders that we will fight for them, we know what they did they have to do. no amount of messaging was going to revolve back. we're going to go out and control so we are pulling across
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all divisions and the message makes it through two different parts of the counties. policing with them so they see first-hand that we do understand the decision-making you're having to do. for me, it's been a great opportunity to see firsthand how many guns are on the street so we've done the detail in the last two weeks, 26 guns seized and those are just the ones peoplee don't have legally. you see it and you hear all the time, some of the weaponry is
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really unsettling so it's been very good, we need to continue in but i don't think, have fencing homicide almost every night. we have started and went eight days without a homicide. i concluded that was a result oo the officers and i'm appreciative of. >> there is a way up everywhere, other fixes to come months support and which could pass and make a difference? >> that is the key, isn't it? i always try to take the middle road because i know i have the obligation to serve all constituents. i will say there is a lack of common sense of some of the flaws we've seen passed in
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recent years. why in a city park, why do they need to walk around and city streets? i think anybody stand up and say that's what the constitution,ha get your head out so there is definitely things if we put that on our stores and say we want to have policy that improves the safety of all americans we can come to the table with something. there is a ground of really hope here now, i really hope the department of justice will expand a platform to start looking at those cities and experiencing an uptick in crime
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or mask shooters to see how judiciary is. it's imperative that somebody start demanding transparency and das office, the judges because what i will tell you all most without fail, the violent repeat offenders my folks, the key word -- refusing for being in possession with illegal firearm. if you really want change the narrative around and lower the level of officer involved shooting, you have to hold accountable theha individuals tt show they are predisposed to committing violent and that's not just louisville. what we need to see is how many
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cases, how many days a week are judges working parks are they requiring plea bargains, are they going to trial? how many people are allowed and first offender status? unfair this. i don't. >> you raised about 14 points there but the key ones at the end are i think the courts were responding to this backlash on over incarceration and then became and they were trying to clear the jails so people to die in jail. so you feel like the courts have brought their sent? a lot of them have not gone back up to 100, they got gigantic
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backdrop so why do you think the court cash a lot of people have criticized the court, i don't particularly understand why repeat offenders are getting relief so where is the disconnect here terms of course getting back to where they were or are they responding to criminal justice reform by letting too many people out? >> what i would say is this. yes, people were, there was mass incarceration and i will not defend it. the fact is the convenience putting people in jail for substance abuse issues in a manner they should be treated.
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the population that it impacted which is why you will automatically see this when you hear mandatory sentencing because it is not about issue. however, we are talking about people who have chronic and willing. this has been going on long before covered. of it is in no way even part of the. it is provided this past year. i think when there is lack of transparency in any institution whether government or the private sector and the culture in manyy of these, it's become o politicized that there is not time being given.
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i think many of them are fast-track, i think we see negotiations between the jails with populations to come down so i think there is a much larger underworld that has to be looked at and it's not intentioned but the results have created unproductive systems. >> along those lines, people have criticized decriminalization of low-level offenses by prosecutors not resting marijuana, traffic trespassing, flow, stuff cities run by democrats in particular are being hit by crime. crime becoming a political issue you think decriminalization of level of crime is contributed to the spike in crime?ev
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>> it would be convenient to say that. again when i look at the folks arresting, for homicides, we are looking at victims who are engaged in this activity not low-level activity, it's almost always some sort of force or weapon, it might be driven in dealing with it but when you start talking about criminal trespass, that will not change the crime narrative. what constituents, mayors need to be considerate of somebody trying to run a business and the person is arrested for trespassing from disrupting their ability to make a living and they grow in one door and out the other door and they are
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right back. that impact the likelihood so come to the table and say we are going to decriminalize but there's no solution, that's kind of irresponsible. how are you going to shore up the cap when you know there's a problem? you want to see a police problem, once the solution? that's were a number of mayors and governors have come up short, they have not thought through what this would be. >> you have targeted nonviolence of something called intelligence led policing to interrupt the violence, how does that work? >> the last thing i want is for my officers to just randomly go out and stop a bunch of cars and people and hope they stumble on some. that's a recipe for trouble and frankly, part of the reason l
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mpd is the d.o.j. so intelligence led policing is identifying the individuals who are engaged in violence. no violent offenders. identify their network of associates whether or not there is gang violence, whether or not we are seeing connections with drugs going through the city, all open data available bringing its focusing on specific individuals for violent crimes so you have a very direct order directed about this is who you are looking for and also what you are looking for. in other words, searching a vehicle shouldn't be the exception, not the norm. understanding you are going to higher levels of charge and back to what you said, when you give yourself a high five from
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offenders embarrassing. that is not going to change crime in the city so it is messaging what our focus is in its path to get there. >> there's a lot of discussion about you mentioned briefly a couple of minutes ago sending mental health clinicians where people are in crisis rather police, we had a recent story where clinicians were not always so thrilled to jump w into a hot scene without police help. you've got something going called deflection initiative, how does that work and have you had enough time toim try it yet? >> it not up and running yet, we have something similar in atlanta, i agree with you. i think what you will hear his people who are not fans of police, who want facebook to go out, we want to be part of this, everything is a life. the reality is when you have issues that involve mental
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health, substance abuse and homeless, you just never know what you're going to get so the situation goes out, you hope not but it might so you have to instruct in such a way of safety is paramount. if they feel they need police presence, it has to be but the idea is when the 911 call comes in, you have to dispatch who are trained in triaging the issues that are more representative of social economics concern so they know the questions they ask and understand and get their mind around so it'she not sending police and having police make an assessment. the triage properly, you are going to have groups of 911 calls that will never go through. then you have some that might fall in the gray area where you are not sure if there is going to be so that caseworker and
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police meet up, they cocaine together. you know, i have a lot of hope for, if we did something similar in atlanta we called it three arrest program, coordinated heavily with nonprofit issues went on and we did not have the capacity the number of individuals so that what university of the louisville here in venice the one message i keep pushing must be careful. they see for you sent to me, we don't want to fall off in that. >> you mentioned the justice department coming to town to begin an investigation and the department of the wake of the breonna taylor case, how did your folks respond to that news? how has that been proceeding so far? >> from the time i came here, at
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least my command staff, i messaged if they didn't come from if we had to be realistic and understand so from a command level, it probably wasn't so alarming to the degree there, probably not so much. i think the truth, it was another punch in the gut. they've been pummeled the last year end over the first five months, a lot of the they didn't and. pushed their way, it's not. i'll tell you that all day long. i take pride in the police department and my officers and some of the stuff is not accessible. that being said, i think it was
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demoralizing because it was like here is just another layer, how are people going to see us? one thing that surprised me, when i started the job i was fairly certain people would not. just crime -- digits one want to work. yet from day one, the department that has all of these officers they want to work and from the community to be proud of them and want to do the job correctly, they just want direction so it's a prideful department so the d.o.j. was exceptional but that being said, they have asked to look at and what their concerns are, i've not heard anything that i did not already say and i don'tec think there's already some level of so it's okay, we just get over it, it's not one to be easy but this department will be
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strong and navigate through it. >> in atlanta, you stepped downh as chief is one of your officers shot and killed rayshard brooks, a man running away from them and wendy's parking lot shortly after the death of george floyd instruct more protests prevented in the spotlight. are there some large lessons you've taken away from that episode and your time in atlanta that made you a better chief? >> there's always lessons every day. i think what i would say to folks is every incident different. for your legacy and what you are seeing why there is hesitancy, to take the off the trial and all day long.
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what i will say is the situation became escalated over and over so what you have to figure out, are we going to get into a space, where individuals who know our dui and let them go as well when i realized is there are some differing opinions and how it can be done beyond. and there is a much larger conversation we have to somehow that out what things are going out. that is a tricky space to get into because i'm fairly certain mothers against drunk drivers would have a different scale on back so there is stuff i've taken away everyday from my job
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i do differently but the one thing, when i looked at the other incident had an offender and here. i don't think it's enough in our officers requiring them to be comfortable and see the impact. while technologies have been wonderful, it's also allowed us to become complacent in a number of ways. after our call, they don't. new line on pepper spray, taser and paintball guns, what happens? inseparable friends. it allowed them not to have a level of comfort police acted and by combat i mean putting
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someone on the back of a patrol car, get them into country and you see the tactic, dealing with the conversation. it doesn't go well all the time. the person is just arrested so when i see his atlanta, another incident, they don't know how to fight and i don't mean this -- they are in custody out the situation balding and i know when i left atlanta and felt like how do we get it so large department, it is one of these, you don't really have to be trained and we have here, i
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know we are running up on time, we have a professional instructor, he tech teaches jujitsu and i am trying to get it for service. i want the department and people to go twice a week but to get people who won't grow, i felt the one class. that's what i needed the confidence for. so that is my next challenge. >> i could ask you many more questions just about that, that was fascinating so we are out of time. thank you very much for speaking with us, were appreciate it. and thank you, the audience, for joining us today 2:00 p.m. from a joint my colleague, paige
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