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the house committee investigating a january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol over its first hearing tuesday from officers from the u.s. capitol police in washington metropolitan police department will tell numbers for they saw and experienced that day. watch live tuesday 9:30 a.m. eastern on c-span three, all mine@c-span.org or listen with the free c-span radio app. next, a look at income eligibility requirements for federal food assistance program. this to our hearing comes from the house aquaculture subcommittee on nutrition. >> oversight and departmental operation entitled examining the benefit will come to order. welcome and thank you all for
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joining us today. after brief opening remarks, members will receive testimony from our witnesses today and then the hearing will be open to questions. members will be recognized in order of seniority alternating between majority and minority members in order of arrival for those members who have joined us after the hearing was called to order. when you are recognized, he will be asked to unmute your microphone and will have five minutes to ask questions or make a comment. if you are not speaking, remain muted to minimize background noise. t to get to as many questions as possible, the timer will stay insistently visible on the screen. i'll start with my opening remarks. good morning and welcome to the second hearing of the house committee of aquaculture subcommittee on nutrition oversight and department operation. thank you to the members in
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attendance today and special thank you to our witnesses to share their time and expertise. this hearing entitled examining the benefits list as a result between myself and ranking member. at the beginning of this congress, i asked him concern about low income workers lose support as they stabilize themselves with employment and use benefits. i was pleased to hear because i have a similar concern and we work together to help us w hearg today. this conversation comes at athom critical time in the wake of the covert pandemic, families across the country are still struggling to put food on the table. still struggling to find high wage jobs and they anticipate the end of emergency increases that sustained them through this extremely difficult time. during times of crisis and after, federal programs should adjust to allow workers to
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gradually ease off of benefits until they are truly able to stand on their own. these problems should allow's ability to ensure benefits do not end abruptly and throw workers and their families back to financial turmoil. thankfully we do have some built-in flexibility that allows states to substantially reduce harmful effects of the benefits list. broad-based categorical eligibility isy critical to that allows recipients to save for the future it allows recipients to earn more without losing access to benefits and substantially reduces administrative burdens for states to participate. however, not all states utilize eligibility's and there are always more improvements that need to be made. we must ensure no one has to make the heart wrenching decision of accepting career advancement or putting food on the table for the family.
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during our last hearing, the impact of the benefits list was demonstrated by our witnesses and themselves were participants in the program. both witnesses explained financial constraints after the loss of benefits due to moderate rise in income. our witnesses spoke about the need to calculate every dollar earned to be sure they did not exceed the maximum and loot hundreds of dollars of increased emergency benefit that helped them t feed their families throh this difficult time.es these stories highlight concerning realities many families will be facing in the coming weeks. millions of families who benefit from staff increases there will see them abruptlyy go away no matter if their economic situation has improved or not. in addition, regular benefits list in addition to thets regulr benefits list, recipients will have to adjust to anie additionl cover list as they attempt to
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recover from last year. i am pleased mr. bacon expressed interest in helping to address this problem together we will work a solution. to continue today, we have d today's panel of witnesses. we are fortunate to have four important points of view including that of an economist, doctorud hardy, to researchers, mr. randolph and snap at penetrator to help us understand the impact our decisions have on americans future and americans receiving staff in their future as they navigate the web of social programs providing support in times need. as my colleague has noted before, this combination of support involves more than just snap and food security programs under our district jurisdiction. the cost of housing and childcare is prominent intof the
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low income families. ensuring all americans are able to obtain sustainable and agile stability requires in all of government approach. at the very least it requires we worken diligently to strengthen these programs. i look forward to hearing more from our witnesses about these vital supports and impacts of shared goals to create effective, efficient and federal policy that truly supports americans in need. i would like to welcome the distinguish ranking member, mr. bacon, for his opening remarks. >> thank you and i appreciate everybody calling in today our panelistsod. we agree we have a problem, maybe not agreeable on what the solutions are i'm not convinced broad-based categorical inclusion is a right way to go. i see more of a potential here
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which instead of pulling the plug the benefits down to help these people but it's discussions we need to have and i appreciate the chairwoman for scheduling this today. at least a generation we've been talking about welfare, 130 years. trillions of spending, if one was born in the system, statistics show odds stacked against them can navigate them out. we have to do more than just help folks get out of poverty not just sustain poverty. we should consider how we do that. much of this the fact that we have created a program for every person, for the healthcare, food
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assistance, childcare, housing, education, on employment just to name a few. set up grading ability, we have programs when staffed create a trap for many or a cliff instead of af lift out of poverty in ths subcommittee recentlyte hosted o within snap and the families are impacted by the policies congress enacted in various administrations and regulated. both talked about full-time work or too much raises and would lose all of their benefits and eligibility for snap. that's not what we want from what we have to do something better. i hope it's not just the conversation solely focused on expanding eligibility and increase benefits. we've seen evidence showing this might not be working as intendet
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but there is certainly an approach to be considered here to help solve this. work waivers granted under the former and current administration, there clearly keeping individuals idle. negative impacts on families who need to get back to work and small businesses who are in dire need of workers. we saw recently 40% of one higher. i asked of 31 may from more than 9 million jobs of manufacturing, health services, retail and local government. a record high number of job openings. utilizing resources and employmenthe training, state -based deployment services where they are qualified, engaged in these industries. we have a witness today who is before the committee years ago
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and a lot has happened in the last six years including republicans try to soften the blow and the provisions were out of the conference but what has happened with shared efforts to come together in congress and work through issue across the more than 80 other programs. i think we both need to look at the opportunity now say again, our decision approaches may multigenerational approach, the leftists try these programs. i look forward to hearing testimonies and future of us. i appreciate we have commonly identified a problem and we will tackle this together. i go back. >> thank you and i will acknowledge that yes we do agree there is a problem in our approach may be different but with all due respect, i have to believe there is mobility in these programs and i'll say it again, be a recipient, now i am
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chair of this committee, i have to disagree there is no incentive for. >> i hear what you're saying, we know it is a common problem. >> i am pleased to welcome the distinguished panel of witnesses to our hearing today. our witnesses bring to ourer hearing a wide range of experiences and expertise and thank you all for joining us today and look forward to hearing from you today. our first witness today is doctor bradley hardy. an associate professor at the school of public affairs and department of public administration and policy at american university and he is a senior fellow in economic studies at the brookings institution, a research fellow center for household and age ability at the federal reserve
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bank at st. louis and research affiliate of both the university of wisconsin and research on poverty in the university of kentucky center for poverty research. the focus of his current work is labor economics including economic instability and property policy amongst other embassies. our next witness is doctor powell, assistant professor and director of nonprofit management social entrepreneurship program at the university of baltimore siin maryland. doctor, his areas of academic research include community banking andf finance social equity and community development with recent examination of minimum wage in maryland. prior to his work in academia,. doctor spent 19 years as a banker and was the founder and president of the firstnd commere bank of north north las vegas data. our third witness today is ms.
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kiki brown. ms. brown is the commissioner of children and family services for the minnesota department of human services. the scope of her responsive buddies of the state of minnesota include services andte policies that promote adoption, foster care, child protection, child support, childcare, refugee services cash and food support. before accepting this position as assistant commissioner, ms. brown was the director of economic opportunity nutrition assistance for the state duties encompass housing and shelter, nutrition education, outreachio employment and training, community action and supplemental nutrition assistance program. our fourth and final witness is mr. eric randolph. the director of research at georgia center for opportunity in georgia.
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mr. randolph's experiences include serving as a senior fellow with illinois policyin institute and economic lecturer for york college of pennsylvania. he specializes in developing economic models to assist with creation of public policy solutions through an understanding of governmental structure included in his passport are analyses of income for minimum wage workers for 23 states. welfare reform and work disincentives for welfare policy. welcome to all of our witnesses today. we will now proceed to hearing your testimony. you will each have five minutes. the timer should be visible to you on your screen and we will countdown to zero at which time your time has expired. i welcome you all today and we will begin with doctor hardy and when you are ready, you may begin your testimony.
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>> thank you. members of the committee, thank you for theon opportunity to discuss the snap program. as you heard, associate professor at university and for 15 years i've been conducting research on economic instability and social policy looking into programs like snap and earned income tax credit so there are several points i would like to emphasize briefly. our concern for program participants who are worse off on the margin, as we say when their earnings increase. snap benefit appears to affect a small number of participants once we account for social programs and earnings accounted for. these are relatively rare and problematic and they can be remedied. one important offset for working families, our dennis tax credit
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received income tax credit as well as refundable tax credit, many of which are starting this week. in the instances where family earnings rise to a reduction or loss snap benefits we find overall increased earnings and e ipc represent a net gain for most families. worth noting, produces benefits less than dollar for dollar dollar of earnings rise and work. other well-known programs could exacerbate that it existsen but they don't because relatively few low income families in the programs such as cash assistance or housing assistance. over 2019, for every 104 families nationwide, roughly 23% received this one in five families who qualify for housing assistance received it. moving along, work participation are in fact complementary.
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most recipients are children, elderly or disabled but most nondisabled adults do work. the decision to work in my studies and studies across ereconomics are determined by my inflexible courses including involuntary guy thoughts, a premarket mismatch, both regional for example and change as demands on skills change. ... well. the increase pandemic s.n.a.p. they shake out to roughly an additional $100 per family for of four. they do help to reduce of hardss but it makes up for loss of employment at another point families p and children face
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difficult labor market conditions and that plays a critical role in supporting work and providing a buffer against job loss. one of the most effect to development tools as a nation is the program reduces hardship and insecurity and it improves long-run outcome make health -- health outcomes for the nascent children stimulate the local economy and small businesses and dollars are spent to not save. continuing along this line we can further reduce no benefits because many families will be receiving back within the american rescue plan which could be made permanent with the american family. these credits could reduce child poverty by c as much as 1/2. this universal policy is forecasted to overall poverty by 27% standard property by 47% and this is really dramatic stuff.
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ranging from 3000 to $3600 in additional offset for potential s.n.a.p. benefits. this extends benefits for low income families and families on the cusp of rising above 103rd president of the poverty line of 23 and her dollars and enables states to raise s.n.a.p. limits to 200% of the poverty line or about that. roughly 35 states have already done so and more to do it. so in closing i just want to say that s.n.a.p. has created -- to me leaving many families in need of a combination of s.n.a.p. itc predict. if her testimony may from folks
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like professor davis for my region in montgomery county maryland a teacher who spoke of how s.n.a.p. provided important offer and foror my hometown in north carolina i know many children who grew up with s.n.a.p. benefits who have now looks back in an appreciative manner and they know a contributed to their long-term outcome. there are long-term benefits to s.n.a.p.or programs and encourae continued support for strong s.n.a.p. programs that i think there are clear benefits for the making the child tax credit permanent within the are per coral -- programs like s.n.a.p. help children and families in the low to moderate income. many families can do so with a combination of work combined with help for people of goodwill and programs like s.n.a.p. the income tax credit and child tax credit. so thank you and i look forward to any questions you may have.
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>> thank you so much dr. hardy for your opening statement. will now moveme on to dr. bury d please begin with the opening statement when you're ready. after ladies and gentlemen of thenoge committee. in 20 tina my capacity as professor at the university we began to explore research in terms of the benefits and its effects on the working class population across the country but at that point a number of other states reports highlighting the challenges and the its of residence as well as addressing the measures of the state legislature exploring. the commencement two-year research project to better understand the impact of the benefits on maryland residents using the basis of the unitedndd way universal -- universally accepted by analysis report which stands for asset limited
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income constrained employed which highlights on the overall economic challenges in the social economic conditions of working-class families throughout the state. within the report we arere ableo identify a household survival budget which establishes them minimum basic need budget adjusted it geographically and with inflation. we were able to create a three familiesog that it model consisting of a single individual household a single parent with two children and a two-parent, two children household. we used an inventory of traditional social service soprograms of which app benefits have a larger share in social programs. the results ofam our study indicate that two-parent households are penalized on the benefit cliff even if they receive housing assistance which is oftentimes unlikely and the maximum tax credit. two-parent families with one persontwo working full-time at minembwe should not have enough
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resources to cover the a sick survival budget expenses. when both parents work minimum wage jobs with two adults in the two children household o is only marginally better off although the household earned an extra income when a second adult works full time the family experiences a marginal increase in net resources because this fear and income increases availability for benefits such as s.n.a.p. decrease. however a two-parent families were not the only group negatively affected by the benefit cliff. even with recent increases in theen minimum wage from $10.10 o $11 maryland as of january 2020 single adults and single parents with two children could not meet their basic survival budget needs that they receive housing assistance and health insurance tax credits. in analyzing a reconstructed family sites we found major disincentives built in to the social service structure which prevents the upward mobility to
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work for a large number of american families. the challenges presented i cliff and lack of appropriate or common dining eligibility records without modification proved to service a disadvantage for many working families at or near the april poverty line. in maryland s.n.a.p. provides benefits for more than 884,000 residents are approximate 15% of the state's population. the time of our study one in three working households in the state could not work basic household expenses. minimum-wage jobs combined with government assistance such as s.n.a.p. were insufficient to meet the basic needs. female headed households were overrepresented among the states impoverished population. a larger share of households with incomes below the federal poverty line are african-american and 43% make up 33% of the state's population and makeup 52% of s.n.a.p.
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participants and are especially susceptible to the benefit cliff given disproportionate representation of last year's the production of her study the country and our economy of experience in a prison level of social and economic challenges. the surgeon on employment insurance claims demand for small as this is disruption in our education system for struggling families. however our pre-pandemic data present problematic results in long-standing impacts created by the benefit cliff phenomenon. although the current economic data represent the very unique paradox the results of short-term macrogovernment in predetermined ex-version is in mys opinion post that mimic the benefits and challenges present pre-pandemic are still relevant and will continue to remain a challenge among american working-class families. thank you for the opportunity to speak with youan this afternoon and i look forward to yourat
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questions. >> thank you so much for that testimony mr. gourrier will now move to ms. brown for your testimony. when you are ready please unmute and again. >> thank you for the opportunity to share minnesota's experience. i first want to share with you the words of minnesotans have turned to s.n.a.p.. the words of the way i get up there for money provide for my daughter. the more that you work the more everything goes up. we try to make the amount of money to pay the rent that you just boosted upp and why are we in food stamps because of it? another parent echoed the same preflight the government handicaps you say you're stuck in a part-time job. their words underscored important points.e first zoe and jojo work and that makes them very typical working age s.n.a.p. recipients. almost 75% of the nondisabled working age adults turning to s.n.a.p. minnesota are employed
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or just recently lost a job at the majority of workersus rely n s.n.a.p. to supplement low wages or get them through a spell of unemployment concentrated in an industry retail hotel and restaurant, health care and social services and temporary agencies. workers in these occupations are also the least likely to receive unemployment benefits. in fact even though low-wage workers or 2.5 times more likely to lose his job they are only half as likely as higher paid workers to receive unemployment compensation. the most important point that jojo inth philly make, work does not provide enough money to meet the needs as basic as having enough food to feed their families. three important changes could make s.n.a.p. more effective in increasing the number of people who can sustain work in making it more possible for those workers to realize economic stability or the power of the changes are in their combination
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and not in venue. a number one increase the earned income. number two race the gross income limit the number three increase s.n.a.p. benefits that are going to walk you through a powerpoint slide to illustrate the impact of these combined policies. hopefully that should pop right up. this sample is for a family of three. the s.n.a.p. amount is in the vertical axis of leptin the household monthly earnings are in the horizontal axis on the bottom. next the first line shows what happens in minnesota as earnings increase under the current s.n.a.p. house housel benefit amount without any covid-19ur enhancement and includes minnesota's 20% earnings disregard and are 165 income test. next the second line shows a 15% increase from s.n.a.p. benefits.
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next please with a 165 gross income test. minnesota has adopted on a broad based categorical eligibility and 20% earned income disregards a 15% increase inhe benefits tht push the clip out further. the 20% earned-income disregard is allowed as a reduction in s.n.a.p. benefits while the family is below the poverty line. the third line shows how the cliff would moveo further out as s.n.a.p. no longer use the 50% increase, that's a covid benefit this but uses same disregard for the minnesota tanf rivera. minnesota put this formula and for the supplemental income formula. other programs make sense. pushes the clip out further but a sharp cliff. next are the fourth line shows social security income disregards but also plays a ton% gross income limit the max
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allowed for legibility. at the cliff starts to soften to a slow. next. the fifth line shows what it would need to continue with these s.n.a.p. 50% cristobal with the social security income disregards or that the higher growth income limit cliff is still steep. next. this final line shows the full combination of the 50% increase in s.n.a.p. benefits a higher earned-income disregard the 10% growth income limit with the greatest graduation a clip of this combination. and the powerpoint plays. there's one other critically important clip to worry about that that's what happens when the s.n.a.p. benefits of someone who writes to us in severe financial crisis relying not only on the 15th cash assistance. s.n.a.p. helps us buy groceries. assistance pays the rent. both are necessary to get out of the crisis. s.n.a.p. count every dollar cash
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assistance against.a the benefi. s.n.a.p. should disregard payments into a household is above the poverty line for a broad-based categorical legibility is allowed states to demonstrate improved policies such as implementing a higher gross income limit and waiving the asset limit. the success of the zephyr should be coupled with federal initiated improvements including increased benefits and more effective earned income disregards pan out offsetting benefits below poverty level cash benefits. thank you very much. >> thank you so much for your testimony ms. brown and i would now like to welcome our fourth n and final witness mr. randolph. thank you for being here and welcome to the committee. when you are pretty thin on mute and begin your opening statement. >> madam chairwoman may i share the screen at this time for a powerpoint?
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>> committee can you help him while he figures out what is going to to do? the okay, thank you. sent madam chairman and ranking member for your comments. i would like to begin and the like to thank the l other witnesses and i was listening to what you are saying the committee members for this opportunity to present testimony today. t my name is erik randolph and the director of research for the gender -- georgia center for opportunity. we are a nonpartisan not profit organization that works to remove barriers and ensure that every person no matter their race and circumstances of their birth have assets to quality education fulfilling work and a healthy family life. our work in the locall communities -- sorry. i have to keep up with my slight but our work in the local
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communities and other nonprofit organizations can serve underserved communities. one such area where we have heard from clients other non-profits and employers is that of the unintended consequences of safety net services. these includeet stories about hard-working individuals giving up higher pay in fear of losing benefits. that is about the cliff. we like many fellow subcommittee understand the need and value of facing that service and of course it's the most important one if not the most important one. many many people who work with each day rely onnod the serviceo meet their nutritional needs and to help make ends meet. we would like to make sure that such help is intended and do not hinder a persons effort to improve their situation so they can have other opportunities to thrive and flourish.
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there we go. sorry. that is why we created her benefits model. ourde benefits model is not a tt has tickle model. it's a model that converts rules and algorithms tells us how much a family-based and character can receive in benefits from 14 major means tested assistance 4programs. these broke dams represent 80% of all federal funds. anyone can access it at benefits cliffs.org. here on this slide is one scenario that shows the subject seemed benefits as well as a subsidized clip or the specific scenario single mom with two children would need at least an
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additional 9.6% pay raise to overcome this s.n.a.p. benefit cliff. the program interacts in unanticipated ways which makes it complicated. the morere safety net programs n the model the more cliffs emerge over range and some cliffs can be quite severe. i had mentioned we had been receiving comments from climate of non-profits and employers about the benefits cliffs. here's a story we feature on our web site of a single mom unable to accept a pay raise simply because it means she would be rable to maintain housing suppot for her and her young son. we believe that with the design of the program violates the intent of the program itself it needs to be fixed and we believe when it interferes with the ability of persons to get ahead is dehumanizing. this slide gives another example
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that it shows the current circumstances which they s.n.a.p. programmer family for this is a monthly loss of $783. this clip is at least 27.5 are sent to the family's earnings. i have outlined in my recent testimony number of observations andri recommendations to consider. i will now highlight to observations into recommendations. one, i have outlined -- obviously benefits are always taper off consistently and gradually as income rises. two, starting benefit values when income is zero that are too high make it much more difficult to find solutions. three, you may want to consider reinforcing the existing u.s. code on demonstration projects to address the s.n.a.p. benefit cliff.
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currently d.c. was quivering with nonprofit in louisiana a solution where we could use more federal flexibility such as blending union services with workforce services or consider to reinvigorate requirements to help people through their circumstances where they will no longer require assistance. to wrap up my comments i would like to say all the benefit cliff's will not the needed and i commend you for undertaking this topic today bleak for research models will help you understand that if a clip and marriage penalties better in an orderly help -- fortunately help to find solutions to these problems. i look forward to answering any questions that you have. >> thank you. thank you for yourou testimony. before you move on i just want to make sure that the chairman
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and ranking member thompson are not here and do not want to be recognized at this time. at this time members will be recognized for questions in order of seniority. alternating between majority and minority members. you'll be recognized for five minutes each in order to allow two answers many questions as possible. please keep your microphones that until you recognizeou to minimize background noises. at this time i will recognize the gentleman from massachusetts mr. mcgovern for your question. >> thank you chair hays for calling today's hearing and i want to thank the witnesses. as someir of you know the house rules committee has launched a series of hearings and roundtables focused on hunger looking across federal departments and programs in safety net programs working together tosa address hunger and is part of that effort is spent a lot of time in the last couple
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talking to people living in poverty people at the experience of talking t to people who relyn modest s.n.a.p. benefits to put food on the table for their families and what i have learned is that people's lives are very complicated and you know what i have not heard once? adi have not had a single person who has told me they'd rather rely on s.n.a.p. in the third assistant programs instead of the bid paying job. in fact i think it is important to remind everybody that we do know that the majority of people who are able to work who are on s.n.a.p. right now do work. we have heard a lotll of talk about a culture ofof dependency here today resulting from s.n.a.p. but the fact of the matter is as much or for the average person on s.n.a.p. lesson in three-quarters of recipients work within a year of receiving the s.n.a.p. benefits.
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i think we can all agree a good paying job is one of the surest ways out of poverty but let's be clear here there isn't a shortage of americans looking for work. there's a shortage of americans willing to work for low wages with no benefits, no help here, no childcare no protection especially during a pandemic. and for decades america's working families have been getting clocked by stagnating wages disappearing benefits and shrink a wages. if some workers are demanding tough to treat them with dignity and respect jobs thatni allow tm to get off of government benefits forgot all i can say is it's about time. that book we have heard from the witnesses today is that supports work broad-based categorical eligibility notice to mitigate the s.n.a.p. cliff and yes it's well-designed and can be further improvements made by increasing benefit levels and increasing income levels to make the
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program more effective. one of the challenge we have is we need to look at this issue holistically that's why i'm calling for white house conference on food nutrition hungered help because sending hunger will be the whole of government approach and will work wire hole of government approach in the white house congress will look at jurisdiction is committed to help us explore the interplay between federal programs that dr. hardy spoke about the hopeful that the conference will be able to help congress audit this mindset where struggling people and their struggles are disparaged and diminished. people that lived experiences of hunger he devastated the table and developing a plan to end hunger once and for all. dr. hardy let me begin with you. thanks for making the strong connection between s.n.a.p. work. could you please elaborate on your findings that support the complementary nature of s.n.a.p. and were?e?
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>> two points. first of all we have router structural labor market issues where we say our economy is unfortunate. >> a higher share of low-paying jobs of the past several decades. become increasingly polarized with you in the middle so i think many households and families want to move up the economic ladder. there are programs that can try to connect anchor employers with workers so they can move up that economic ladder but put simply in the labor economic literature when you think about the whole host of factors that contribute to work in labor supply and disincentivized that we simply don't find food assistance programs are a major a contributor. there are other things we need to look at if we are thinking about the patient. s.n.a.p. provides economic assistance and again represent a
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mcgovernin there's a long-term help for children. >> let me to say the s.n.a.p. is not some generous benefit. the average person is $1.40 per meal per chabot how would benefit increase in earned income and disregard and increase gross income limit to how people achieve greater financial stability? >> thank you. i was saying previously the s.n.a.p. and if it is a supplemental benefit so it isn't intended to cover the full month soworth of food and that does cause families additional stress and strain. if we increase as i mentioned in my recommendations what we are really focusing on are people who are working, people that are on the verge that gives them
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increase stability and additional support so that they can make itdd long-term. >> i know my time is up but i just want to thank you. think it's important that we dispelled this narrative, this false narrative that somehow people that are onte the spent t did not want to work. the bottom line is the majority tory vote to work are actually working but wages are so low and benefits are nonexistent that they have no choice i appreciate your testimony. back.d >> thank you. mr. mcgovern. ranking member bacon i want to apologize. when i decided at the end i in my t head to defend as well so f you'd like to be recognized for your questions right now i will recognize you. i apologize. >> i have very extend and i don't worry about those things. i appreciated. no problem. i would acknowledge that mr. mcgovern is saying.
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every one of our witnesses here three in particular talked about there's a real reaction to the cliff. disincentivized is and twitter from mr. randolph 1 dollar earned more cost -- dollars above it and that's a a real factor in one of people have to deal with. mr. hardy thank you for your comment and i agree with the stance in your programs geared to use cc any value at all on holding benefits down as other panelists have said versus a direct cut off? you talk about ea pc but are there methods -- >> it's a great question represented in one of things that point out if it's accepted certainly there is what we call benefit reduction rates. right now statutorily that's around 30% and so 30 cents for
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every dollar earned but that's an improvement so on the arithmetic just looking at s.n.a.p. alone that's what we want. now there are other alternatives you have and you can extend the amprogram out. that would raise costs. i'm infected neighbor of interventions that commissioner brown recommends. i think my view is that we already do have this downward slope hill but i think it's more of a hill than o the cliff and n my view is that we are trying to fight actual labor market conditions so we see it occurring right now in nebraska north carolina where g he grew p in maryland where i currently am so the idea is that the feature of the program that the benefits slope downward and if you want to extend those benefits i think it's a promising direction. see i think you.
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i appreciate it treat after greer thank you for what you are seeing in maryland. i appreciate your comments and ms. brown also i appreciate what you are seeing in minnesota and i think you said it really well that it's not a club. mr. randolph, did i get that right 1 dollar it now for $700 in benefits collected i catch slight?ht on your >> that first family four, thatf is correct. ..>> we also hasn't increases to the earned incomes tax deduction. they are both struck down. do you think these measures would have helped with the cliff effect? >> would you tell me with the measure argun. >> is we extended transitional
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benefits and we also i think increase some of the earned income tax deduction but they were stripped out a conference that i'm curious if you thought those could've been a value added to this discussion? >> right. traditional benefits to transitional benefits is a common thing we've had in programs for quite a while >> i would have to agree so if you are referring to the earned adoption to disregard and that most likely way but there is some other complicated factors are like to use the modeling and play with it from 20 percent to 40 percent to see overall whatis it does. it is promising that i haven'tfi really specifically tested. >> from the snap eligibility
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determination. >> i like to call it access resource. and when i look at the pennsylvania f department that is what we call it. is not. ♪♪ to penalize people for doing that. >> and that you are trying to hide. so then to update the acid test but there is a fundamental issue if you get rid of the assets or the excess resource you still have to do with the situation where
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people have a lot of resources. for example there have been some situations with one individual. so that happens. at the department of public welfare and every month we would get the winners for the lottery and run against the girls maybe we get tens of thousands but with those individuals with it lies necessary for our department to keep up with that and then to disappear and to keep up with that. so it's up for the subcommittee to decide to get rid of t that but then to replace it y was something because not everybody out there we're talking about a
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small minority but we have to invest that minority. >> our time is short but i appreciate your input. thank you. >> thank you for that ranking member. i will recognize the gentle man from the mariana islands. and as you said before. >> although this is a very good hearing i yield my time. >> thank you so much for joining us. i am not sure what time of night it is but the fact that you are so invested in this work speaks volumes. thank you for joining us.
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thank you for all witnesses for your testimony. my question today, many low income families participating in snap are struggling to make an me and are unable to save for the future according to the urban institute, only half of snap households have the common law andfi the average held in the bank accounts is $150 so my question continue each talk about those broad-based categorical eligibility is by snap recipients to secure higher wages and how it is raising the gross income limits illuminating the asset test to achieve greater financial stability?
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>> i will try to be relatively brief. so these sorts of policy inventions give the snap families more up the economic ladder and a very volatile incomes in the labor market with stability. and then with additional assets talking about way to have additional buffers in their day to day expenses they thelp follow resources for their children and ultimately move out of poverty. and with thatin economic literature and those that have
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been linked to improve economic outcomes so as you suggest this is a boost. >> along those same lines talk about broad-based categorical eligibility, doctor hardy talked about the benefits of the to pursue greater employment opportunities but it also has greater flexibility for p the state and to have greater limits the previous administrations the higher limits allow those to increase their benefits over a longer period of time in greater transition to pursue more work opportunities that otherwise may not be there bird. the broad-based categorical to accumulate and give us stability inui the research to
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talk about the ability to meet the sustainable and it, that is a recipient with no ability to deal with any unexpected expenses that occur so that allows for some degree of accumulation to transition from those unexpected conditions. >> thank you both for that. and i will add to that doctor hardy talked about long-term economic outcome for those making this decision, it is not based solely on i want to work for hours because the benefits will be cut, but the long-term economic stability of their family and the fact the analysis of having two or three more hours at work means now you don't have money to buy groceries for your
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children with not that i don't want to workty so i don't disrupt my benefits for the long-term stability so thank you again for yielding your time and with the next witness on the minority side. >> thank you madame chair. my colleagues and i believe there is more we could do for the social safety nete programs but we are simply limited by the level of discourse in washington which has stymied any important issues of concern for americans. p that equates to higher program cost of federal and state governments and no one should equate that with healthy people why not use those
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savings to invest in job training, childcare and other necessary support and services? why do we see so many differences? can we assume they are looking at populations that meett their needs or do we have any examples of where this may or may not be true? >> i will take a stab. and with the amount of funding llc want to get involved as an organization to answer that but what we're focused on is the representatives of massachusetts have noted with
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benefits cliff they are already working inin those utindividuals but not for those stories but that computational analysis and that cliff that exist on the one hand but on the other hand. we do know as a minority there are some individuals who could be working. we are talking about millions of people in the program and it's difficult for any statement that represents all of them. so that is why we have a recommendation to reinforce the work requirement and to focus is not just to get people a job the first time but to move up the career
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ladder. so that is the perspective of course if you put more people in the polls for across more many if we solve both the problems of the benefit cliff and those in combination to see that come down but im optimistic. >> anybody else went to weigh in on that? >> madame chair if anybody else wants to comment? >> i can weigh in briefly i just want to make the point as was mentioned the program
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exist to expand and contract as those individuals labor markets experience difficulties it is therefore people during that time. and so we do want to preserve that ability and then to be self-sufficient. thank you very much. >> thank you madame chair. i yield back. >> i recognize the gentlewoman from carolina. >> thank you madame chair thank you both for hosting to our witnesses and right now including an estimated
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18 million americans are receiving unemployment benefits and those that cannot afford rent the richest nation in the world with the snap increase with that allotment with the covid-19 with the loss of benefits to be very disruptive for low income americans and then to increase the benefits and eliminate those eligibility limits. we are proposing september 30th to mark the end of the coronavirus act in march looking at the government's response with the safety net with these create a crisis for
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families or are there other programs? >> i appreciate the question i admit this is complex and economist and others will be monitoring this over the summer and the fall this will be helpful with 3600 for younger kids and 3000 otherslp but it will help some of these issuesme i would just say representative that we have known for a while now that those working the low wage labor market has transportation expenses and increase housing expenses so i
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do believe the proposals like those you put forth whether it is time to have a boost and those that benefits as commissioner brown noted and then absolutely to make sufficiently higher earnings they don't need the benefits in the first place so we have a situation where multiple things could be true at once programs could be helpful in people and some may move up but i do believe at the time of a global pandemic, we were aggressive and that was the right move but we still need to make sure families are not left behind. >> thank you very much. ms. brown can you elaborate on your recommendations and with the income and benefits. >> the proposal is really
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looking to provide stability for families and provide some opportunity before some amount of savings to occur in windows do occur with low-wage workers that this would provide them some relief in support. so we know from speaking to our families and individuals that transportation for example is always a strain and to maintain options so that you can maintain that job so for example a little bit of the hearings to pay for that car repair is important so this is a powerful solution to help provide some stability. >> but that benefit cliff both
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before and after the pandemic using the these would have a lasting effect? >> what we are saying is we expect that as we move post pandemic to see comparable trends in the benefits we saw prior, we just are more recently trends of the ten year treasury giving speculation moving into a different economic forecast. but all research indicates the results we saw pre- pandemic would still be existing. >> thank you madame chair we yield back. >> thank you representative i
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would now like to recognize the gentleman from tennessee. >> thank you madame chair i have a few questions be mr. randolph. in your testimony to talk about the prime working age individuals this is consistent what i'm hearing for employers in my district are having a difficult time. this is the importance of snapyo work requirements and education and training components? >> absolutely. thank you for the question. this is an area where labor force participation rates and individuals the prime working age, especially among males over the decades a fairly
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significant decline in the participation. has been quite a challenge quite honestly to determine what all the causes are. the council of economic advisers to the obama administration will have a major paper on this day in the number of discussions with the think tanks on the left and on the right to focus on this. we have done some work in this area. one of the themes the studies have pointed out is the role of safety net programs. know that there may be certain things with the food stamp program i don't think we can eliminate that with the food stamp program at least use it as a tool to help these
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individuals and if we look at the experience they actually apply the rules after the great recession and there is measurable success they measure the number of individuals that were employed with the population. >> as you remember to do this in the last farm bill but unfortunately there is a good plan there that was stripped-down so maybe we can revisit that at some point you also bring up the pandemic snap waivers in your opinion how does that lead to snap benefits cliffs? >> the waiver allows the maximum benefit to anyone who
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qualifies so whoever loses it is that amount and for the monthly benefit that is the amount that they would lose with the assault waivers for the program. >> and that series of>> recommendations and then to move families forward. >> that's a great question we have three series with a better safety net programs in
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general and we recommend the integrated eligibility system and moving in that direction of other states and then to use more flexibility quite frankly. >> and then to work on ending these cliffs because that would be very beneficial for the ranking member and madame chair wheel back the balance of our time. >> thank you for your questions i now recognize the gentlewoman from new hampshire. >> thank you very much. as we begin to slowly emerge from the depth of the pandemic
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we come away with a new appreciation for the vital role snap plays in our country. millions who suddenly lost their jobs or have their hours cut as the economy shutdown , had to rely on snap for the modest benefit to put food on the table for their families. in 2019 the average snap benefits for recipients is $1.22 per meal and even with a 15 percent increase allotted by the economic rescue package, it is still anything that luxurious. as the economy reopens and businesses can start hiring again it's more important than ever to avoid that benefit cliff abruptly losing snap benefits when you reach 130 percent of the poverty line can create a very rough transition for those at a critical moment when they
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tried to steady their finances. thankfully new hampshire in the vast majority of states have instituted broad-based categorical eligibility of a policy that allows families just getting by to continue receiving snap benefits add a reduced rate as the incomes rise and stabilize to prevent folks from falling off the benefit cliff. the policies streamlines that application process for those who qualify. anything that helps to cut through costly redtape isha a clear win. on that note comingnn mentioned in the testimony that there was the snap asset test with those burdens that were relevant for the vast majority of snap participants. and how much time that saved your department in do you see other opportunities to
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streamline those processes that will also help those? >> indeed. in 2010 minnesota was able to implement broad-based eligibility's and our department analysis but those applying for snap are by eliminating the assets had - - the asset test. and seven protect 7 percent ofas their time that that does require people to report lottery in gambling incomes as well and it's a great flexibility for states to utilize and to streamline the
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program and make the program work for their state and help protect our families we have approximately 50 percent of our population and when we revieweded our data if we did not have that broad-based eligibility 35000 would not be children. >> so talk about the researcher highlights the f class in which working jobs at or near the minimum wage of $11 per hour with those that with an even lower minimum wage here in new hampshire.
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with that cost-of-living adjustments initially testing at $10.10 that move from $11 and then tore cover extensively the two family toll children household so those that are significantly less minimum wage those impacts would be greater and with that basic e survival expenses even to be more significant and more impactful. >> and those that lost their jobs during covid the benefit cliff really has acl devastating
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impact and those with strong and healthy and to be wonderful employees to continue the come back in the economy. >> i now recognize the gentle man from indiana. >> thank you madame chair for holding this hearing today and i really appreciate all the witnesses testimony and as americans we all want to help individuals especially the elderly and the disabled to make sure they have access toe adequate food and nutritious
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food. we are talking about 86 programs that are administered by nine different agencies and the challenges with that many agencies involved is significant and i can appreciate that. but also i want to reiterate ic help wanted signs everywhere so we as a member of the subcommittee and the witnesses and their testimonye to do a better job to bridge the gap for those individuals and then that takes employees so we try to encourage and stimulate that incentive for some of our constituents.
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so mr. randolph back in march 2020 we had 125 billion allocated from nutritional related release according to my data child nutrition like wet but it did include the pandemic bt and there is an ongoing discussion of the ongoing increase the benefits so your testimony has some question the outright increase of the benefits and for those that make sense particularly higher benefit amounts across any program leading to more drastic penalties so can you share with me your recommendations how we counteract that? >> so as far as the amount of the benefit i don't know
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exactly what it should be but the best approach is based on the science clearly and then also on the ability with that economic budget to put together the resources to acquire those traditional needs so this is the way the snap program has donei it historically and it has been done the way they came up with this so what i would do in the administration is i would have two panels as a nutritional scientist on the most recent how can people meet their nutritional needs and then the second panel social workers and then have them come up with a plan of how to obtain
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those values and then to provide guidelines so the department of agriculture releases guidelines to figure out how to live for what they receive. so that is the one side the other side is talking about a cliff we can demonstrate this even do it in a diagram on my screen but the more difficult it is to solve a cliff so keep in mind the snap benefit cliff is one piece of the bigger puzzle so we have snap that then earned income tax credit we have childcare services , medicaid so there are a lot of other programs thatul are out there. so as a general rule each of those provide what is
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sufficient but not much beyond that because if you start building those higher values you make it much more difficult but everybody seems to be an agreement to solve the cliff problem so what you have to do mathematically in a sustainable way to do that? >> . >> soth with that madame chair i yield back. >> thank you for that. >> now that gentle man from florida. >> thank you very much and ranking member for holding this hearing it's a very important hearing it is extremely important to me
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because urban and rural communities with those snap benefits and this is of how you can explain that categorical eligibility for those that are struggling to put food on the table throughout covid-19 pandemic and then to ensure access for healthy foods for many families so can you explain categorical eligibility are struggling to put food on the table? >> representative i would like to taketa a stab and concern for others that briefly i would
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say that absolutely categorical eligibility would give families more flexibility financially and theex bandwidth issue if they think hard about being on that margin of benefitsge there is more slack in that overall income budget so that's important for families to make ends meet and gives more space that income limit of 200 percent of the poverty line. this is both a serious problem that does not affect the typical snap family. you have 25 percent of the snap households between 10130 percent poverty. accounting for the states that with the broad-based eligibility so you have to solve it to keep in mind, the
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program is doing a lot that works and you have to be careful with this conversation. >> yes. >> if i may thinking about the senior population categorical eligibility allows us to remove the asset limit. and with those eligibility and today 60 percent of low income seniors there is a direct correlation with allowing peoplen to have savings and particularly to impact the low-wage workers who are recently unemployed. and those to have snap benefits. >> . >> and with the recipients in
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terms of the benefits cliff it gives more of arrangement the benefitsgi and gives a greater flexibility to increase from the 130 percent at 200 percent and flexibility so the combination that exist do the broad-based program allow for greater flexibility with the recipient in the state a administration perspective. >> . >> and those of individuals of
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disabilities? >> anybody want to take a crack at it? >> looking at students we know traditionally they have a difficult time to access snap thwith the struggle between working and going to school. we also know i think that students have change. there are less traditional students nowadays and the program has not kept up to speed thinking about students in different ways. and that was an important piece that needs to be considered.on >> do we all agree? >> i absolutely agree.
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and in your testimony you highlighted 200 percent of the guidelines in my home state of florida what you expect to see with this change. >> please submit the answer to the committee the gentleman's time has expired we will get it to you, to answer that but i support a white houseac conference on hunger actually my colleague and i are calling all of these voices to the table much like we are doing today to come up with long-term solutions to this problem. >> the gentle lady from
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louisiana. >> thank you for your time and participation. and with that district of louisiana numerous hiring signs and here concerns from small business owners cannots find enough individuals willing to go to work. and those to have essential goods and services and to provide opportunities for gainful employment but o as the nation continues to recover with the pandemic we should do all we can to encourage and help families return to work. and with a stronger more productive the us economy will become and in turn to provide
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the right balance of benefits that federal programs are designed to dissent and to have a supplemental nutrition assistance program for those truly in need. and those for opportunities with other nonprofit organizations. and with that detail progression what about those careers that they embark upon? >> absolutely. 's when of the organizations we have been working with you may be familiar with them. but we do in general is we work with an array of other nonprofits in georgia we actually have two programs and
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we workwo with mentors and have a platform on the website and it is a fantastic program to look at individually or as a group y that basically to help them find jobs that has an array of things such as what kind of skills they need basically that's what it is we haven't had a whole lot of data on the success but were encourage we've gone these past few years. >> thank you as we move forward and then to provide
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opportunities for individuals to pursue meaningful employment and training programs in relation to your work what that will look like and those program. >> state that exactly which program quick. >> examining the snap program. >> you mean gaining additional access to the program through broad-based eligibility? i actually have an with that eligibility and those recommendations to integrate across all programs. and for the gateway and exist for examplee and it with the broad-based eligibility i
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would encourage the subcommittee to consider that as another option and one thing i would like to say is to determine the broad-based eligibility appears to be different i would like to find out more about the flexibility of the system originally for example somebody was on tsanother program we already vetted them for asset and income so they would already qualify for snap but there was no communication between tanf are snap so prior to that integrated eligibility it made sense but as you develop persistence but it sounds like from the other testimonies that doing something different and to learn more about it to analyze at a little bit more. >> it's great with a good work
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together path for financial stability i yield back my time. >> thank you madame chair i am looking to introduce my bill to strengthen snap and then to allow for the program.
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and then to strengthen snap for the most vulnerable among us. >> thank you. i agree that adding additional flexibility of foods was snap would be greatly beneficial. we know in minnesota the homeless population 30 percent that are working i would note also have difficulties in finding food that they can prepare and homeless shelters and other situations and have some flexibility with the hot foods that can be prepared to support that population. >> from your testimony would agree that snap is extremely important for the long range
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jobs for the benefits such as paid sick leave. do you agree of the snap requirements and have snap as a vital resource to support working families and those requirements of snap and then to be proactively to deal with this? >> i appreciate on - - appreciate the question in my view of the program is at the snap work requirements in my view undermines the functioning and efficiencies ofan the program with the added
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flow of the business cycle and with a job loss we see greater job loss. so this is a nice feature of the program i appreciate that question and work requirements have a long way to go back to speak to the economic situation. my colleagues and i think a lot about this. we are concerned about it this isth one area of agreement now in the us labor market perhaps long overdue. there were those for less educated workers in certain retail and food service sectors. so right now even in my own conversations withnv business owners in georgia many moons ago they had said it's a challenging situation it is a
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market looking at automation not to say this is easy to come out the pandemic other things might persist but we're in the middle of an adjustment anchor employers will show up in larger numbers and those will have more students on the ground and more foot traffic. it is a wait and see situations whereio absolutely there are shortages and we see those adjustments. >> and then with that child tax credit is snap and the
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child tax credit how can they be used cooperatively for americans citizens? >> yes. just to address briefly because we are running out of time, a big part of our particular research talks about the coordination of benefitle of resources not just snap but those complementary resources that exist. mr. randolph the gateway in georgia and maryland they are all designed to have a greater benefit of the recipients. >> thank youap madame chair.
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i yield back. >> thank you congressman. i will recognize the gentle lady from florida. begin your question.pr representative are you available to begin your question? with that i will yield myself
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five minutes for questions. we heard a lot today in this hearing thank you to the witnesses on the panel for joining us. it shows that flexibility is more critical in the context of covid. i hope that as a congress we are not using traditional metrics for doing things the way we have always done them seeing how'v detrimental it is for families and those emergency pandemic benefits have been we have a responsibility to legislate in the now not just the last 50 years and in the coming weeks snap recipients are preparing for the covid cliff. at the end of september recipients will potentially face in abrupt and provided by a congress and emergency relief efforts. this is concerning for low income americans a hardest hit
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and still struggling to find high wage employment to shieldin families from food insecurity. and those that have openings in minimum wage less than ten dollars and those that were eligible for unemployment benefits. and they are choosing not to work to benefit themselves. so in minnesota working closer with usda with that pandemic relief to get back on their feet can you tell me why emergency allotment have that and continue to be so critical for people in minnesota facing
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a sudden and in september. so we have been working on legislation from f caregivers and foster parents so they care for kids act that the ranking member cosponsored to make sure that families who are caring for children who are not their own to have eligibilityea and kids will eat in school. that is deeply personal for me because hungry kids do not learn. and then to close them so can you tell us that 15 percent increase helps people in your state? >> thank you for your comments. it was a great relief and that
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is provided in that required a lot of information it was confusing with multiple programs coming out. and then with the additional with those food needs people needed to do in regard to their children being in day care or school and a lot of instability has occurred. and we are grateful every day to hear how people are receiving them.
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>> my next question is you mentioned in your testimony for housing and childcare should be eliminated and those needs should be addressed by program specifically designed for assistance in those areas. traveled by the recommendation unlike snap many other federal safety net programs are not guaranteed to low income families and notoriously difficult to access. and those that are well known last week miami-dade announced they had 5000 spaces for housing and 90000 applicants. many localities have long waiting list growing longer through the pandemic. would you recommend we expand guarantees or would you recommend, i'm sorry federal housing and other safety net
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programs to low income americans in need of assistance? >> . >> i don't people to think i have a phd that but then to transform that welfare system to. so then to make it more can't one - - complex. and then to make it a more rational system and with that
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part of nutrition and then on top of that, just with the pandemic ebt program come i think this gives us an indication we could consolidate other programs because now we have otherha experience with a step forward to have beefed up snap program consolidation not by increasing the amount of needed foris that. and for the child care and housing proposals on how to reconfigure come i would not recommend expanding that section eight program as it is as far beyond the scope of the hearing and the childcare there is some issues of that program as well.
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>> thank you for those remarks and over time has expired and i yield back the gentle lady from florida she is back. >> it's very good you see my colleagues. i appreciate the witnesses in your testimony here today and then to jump right into questions several in the last few months physicians remain and fill then the shortage of labor continues on those that have heard similar concerns from their constituents we
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know changes made to snap and the pandemic help to the unprecedented time but i am very deeply concerned that unless a serious effort is made to return snap or moving into an era of lifelong dependence on federal programs and the incentive to help people get back to work on their feet are set aside. and part of that reconciliation to appropriate $3 billion and then to continue the increases benefits. for those colleagues in the majority those on both sides of the aisle that programs like snap are not a handout but a handout that i
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wholeheartedly agree welfare dependency is no way to rebuild the economy. made they s helping americans get back to work. exit the program as a productive successful member of society. miss brown, i have a question for you here and i want to thank you for your testimony. i was looking on the >> is about where you are at in the upper right-hand corner so not sure youwh are aware and i talk bit about this today, go th the state and this conversation a gentleman in middle minnesota was able to see benefits for many months due to minnesota's is a broad-based category of eligibility and personal attack on the man but demonstrate how sometimes solutions cause more problems and in minnesota, any and all households within 165 percent of poverty level are provided with domestic violence
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pressure. regardless of what household that household chances are and what we constantly hear of necessity of services and support the need household needs to be have a patchwork of 44 state policies that provide 44 different papers that never truly need or tries to understand that particular families need tove read. [inaudible]. so here's we need an overhaul at least across a handful of programs will be unsnapped i would like to hear your thoughts on that. >> thank you. and i would agree that the overwhelming paperwork can be difficult with the paper the need to be turned in the different timings in various and for the eligibility workers in the state offices and also for participants themselves. however, i stated before that
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only 1 percent of people were impacted in minnesota higher asset test but wait reviewed it in 2011, shortly after we implemented it in 2010 that i would also agree that additional improvements need to be made on a continuous basis. in some of those have occurred with the inclusion of states to review lottery winnings for example. i do believe that thehe overall impact of 35000 minnesota's being able to use step, far outweighs the 1 percent or less of individuals who perhaps are not being entirely truthful with all the information theyin are sharing that this part of the program and this is part of what we need to do is to continuously look at what we're doing doing and how to improve and how to
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move forward and better serve. thank you. >> i miss, i appreciate your response rated being in the position you are, you mentioned multiple states have different programs, is there a conversation that you have with your colleagues in other states about best practices and models that we can apply and adopt practices? >> that is an ongoing conversation and i do think every ten years over 11co years, g of utilizing these eligibilit, there is a time to look to take can we make uniformity across all the states we have a lot of evidence and information from all of the states you have implemented 40 states of leaft across the nation that have taken this effort read. >> excellent and thank you. i know my time is expired pretty thank you so so much more impatient and graciously allowing me to ask my questions. thank you. >> were happy to have you and
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all the other members have joined and actually that is all of our member questions i think the panel so much for your time and your expertise. i before we adjourned, and by the ranking member to share any closing statements might have have pretty. >> i do appreciate metals today. is very educational and great questions from our colleagues. i think i heard today was three or four panelists did a pretty clear case and maybe a fourth set up a little bit of it but i think that between the pre- place in her case also to the panels that we had a mother to her go and the majority made a strong case as well i think you're onto something and appreciate that i have the such discussions on such a broad-based categorization i understand from step pressures
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and yet, not common incidents but, in an effort somebody to include a million and i think what happened. [inaudible]. cuts the public confidence i think that it undermines confidence of our constituents have when they see and hear what is happened a seven has to be some controls but in that. the increasing profits and one program here, is something that has more egregious childcare and such so my plan is being like any of these programs hope. [inaudible]. hopefully we can look at it from a more broad picture it in congress itself. in a use the d.a. takes a look at characteristics of the program and recently released 2019 report, plus most recent data we have it was done during the economic boom and so as it relates to earnings, the
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households and earnings in 2019 and further of 54 percent of households with children and incomes and earnings while 6 percent of the puzzles included individuals with income at about 71 percent of households with adult ages 18 - 49, without disabilities, childless households had no earned income to make this point because there's work to be done to reengage families in the workforce. and on the topic, minimum-wage and other things, the data also shows the someone a making $27 an hour at these very disincentive, tridentine frankly means if you can navigate your way with the benefits it doesn't matter whether or how much you work. what's been going on in our unemployment insurance system. i see the earnings from work in
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a massive amounts. so there has to be cut up here interestingly, the response talk about food plant and animal ensure that i had heard alarming statements from folks acrossda e spectrum related to the department of this process from discrepancies and methodologies and outrageous assignments and 19 peter simply inside of the beltway and however true, could be an unprecedented increase in far exceeds was been done during the pandemic. i see this as presenting a dramatic impact on the staff beneficiaries and it seems like parts of this and you finally say i did mention the fact that we did not hear about any neutral solutions today we should have some opportunities to do that pretty how to better coordinate our 80 plus different programs and although i know the
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is an outreach year, i know in the congress is going to have to take a look at this and i really appreciate you with us today pretty and without i yield back. >> thank you ranking member they can handle on south want to thank her colleagues and when is is once againit for your participation in today's hearing and your input and expertise will help us in shaping our policy priorities legislation and may be considered on the subcommittee pretty we have it is even clearer to me how critical snap is in having low incomen americans often of the table how important state options are flexibilities like broad-based categorical eligibility hard to the benefits and the participants will likely facing today's witnesses enforcement we have heard arnie's what i have heard my community and shed lightas on hw this concerning upcoming covid-19 relief mayct impact the course of the most in need of
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continued support as a nation works to recover from the dire economic states of this pandemic pretty congress offers government assistance to many sectors of our economy and farmers, finance district, housing, manufacturers, small businesses, we don't worry about the long-term impact of government welfare programs support our economy. i would just like to see us prioritize the same level and does spent. snap is the most efficient federal program of visiting local economies read, think each of our witnesses again and the members who join you, your time and knowledge are extremely valuable they look forward to all we will be able to continue to cheat together the 170 congress. i also want to know, that is not lost on me that when i took over as chairwoman of the subcommittee, and even as the 116th congress, every member
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of congress republicans and democrats, were heartbroken and fold with the long lines that we saw on highways could make the people of lesser jobs for the first time the lights were facing food insecurity. i hope we don't forget those images. we move forward in a way that acknowledges that we have a problem in this country with hunger so to return as business with the usual the status quo is not wanting going to do, watch predict we have work to be done and we have a responsibility to make sure that in the united states of america, and 2021 that we do not have long lines that are miles long and food makes are families that are a worried about not being able to feed their children. so again i thank you all for your work today and with that, this hearing is adjourned. >> weekends on "c-span2", bring you the best in american history
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