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serious readers paired learn, discover, explore, weekends on c-span2. >> next on c-span book tv, best-selling author james palliser and former president bill clinton discussed their new thriller involving the abduction of the daughter of a former u.s. president by terrorists followed by economists insiders view on how corporate boards operate here find more information about tv.org or consult your program guide for fall schedule information. >> at evening and welcome to tonight's virtual events. my name is abby endler and i'm the creator of crime fiction review website. by day i'm a publicist. i'm honored to be moderating tonight's virtual event with two authors who need no introduction
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, president bill clinton and james patterson. we will discuss their brand-new thriller, "the president's daughter" which was just published this week. we invite president clinton and mr. pattison on a screen and then we will kick up the discussion president clinton, mr. patterson, thank you for letting me join you this evening. i'm looking forward to discussing the-- "the president's daughter" with you both. >> we are ready. >> i would like to kick things off and start at the beginning. this is actually the second thriller you to have written together and i know myself and probably many other readers are so curious to know how did this partnership come about to tell them. tell them how it happened. >> well, we have an agent in common, bob barnett's and he had
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handled three or four books for me but they were all nonfiction and he knew i was a voracious reader of mysteries and thrillers and i was particularly attached to gyms alex cross and michael bennett books and he said you guys out to do this together and i said why in the living daylights would he mess with me, i'm a neophyte. i said i'd be happy to do this because i would like to learn how it's done. >> it's worked out quite well, i should say. >> for me, the idea-- i have said this a little bit, but i'm actually on the hudson river and up that way is where i grew up, small-town newburgh, new york, and i still look at the world through that lens, the lens of a guy from newburgh. so, the idea of doing something with president clinton is a
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stunning and i look at it as a gift to be able to come to not be cynical and really have fun doing these things so it's a great honor for me too do this thing. even tonight, this is fun and a good thanks be next to many readers are so glad the partnership did come to be in before we go further i'm going to ask questions that i know some others don't want to answer but i'm wondering if you could tell us in your own words what is your new book all about before we go any further in the discussion. >> first of all, it's the story about former presidents. >> that sounds familiar. >> this guy is different. is an accidental president in the first place. he was a short-term house member when he was picked to run his-- as vice president and the president died so he became president and thinking he was doing the right thing he appointed as vice president the woman who ran second to the
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president in the primary election and then she's not only not grateful, she beats him when one of his military operations go south. so, he's leaving after one term with lots of energy and lots of regret and he's not sure he can save his marriage because he loves his wife very much but she has a different career that's been put on hold and she needs to pursue it or they are in two different places. then, their daughter goes missing for something he did as president. so, he script with anger and guilt and concern and i think it's a gripping story. then, there are three more stories to. there's the story of the kidnapper and why he did what he did and he's also-- if he's not
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a total sociopath gripped with grief because he lost his wife and three children in an operation where he was the target. he knowingly left them in harm's way to fool the intelligence of our side. then there is the story of a chinese man who worked his way into the fairly high ranks of the chinese diplomacy and intelligence who has a deep scar from childhood, not against america, not because of anything this president did, because of something i did when we bombed what we thought was a security building in serbia and it turned out to be the chinese embassy and his father was killed. at the fourth story is the incumbent president who is trying to figure out how to hang
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onto her job and her chief of staff, who is her husband, and whether they would be better off if the president's daughter were found and rescued or not. there's really four-- four really live tales here in this otherwise-- >> the first book we did, he was the president in office and this incredible cyber security breach , which we are really reading a lot about now and the potential to disaster. the president has to deal with it in office. this book is a president who is no longer in office and all of these stories that the president mentioned as a freight train because they are all going full speed ahead and the big one obviously that the president's daughter is missing and that she's been kidnapped.
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for the idea of this book is to show humanity, you know what happened to this human being who loves this person and it could be his son, it could be his brother, you know whatever, but how does a human being respond to this? >> absolutely, every parent's worst nightmare, absolutely. as you described the book, i mean, it's a complex story, but the reading experience as effortless as the pages flyby nine not the person wondering, how these two authors joined forces, i mean, it is the writing process look like allowing you to write such a cohesive book the two of you, how did you actually approach writing about? >> first, when we talked about you know what might be a couple story ideas which we bounced around and once we decided we would do another book and then the outline and we went back and forth five or six times with the outline just keep paring it down
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and layering on more, cutting out want won't move this thing forward and michael conley said about my books and it relates so much of the book is every single chapter removes both the plot and the characterization forward and terms-- turns on the movie projector in our heads and that sort of one of the things that we try to do any other big piece with president clinton, one of the big pieces is the authenticity, if such and such happened, here's the way in which it would happen and often you don't get that. >> absolutely. >> what we did was, once we agreed on an outline, we did exactly what we did on the first book. jim did a couple of chapters and i had a to do list, all the technical things about x presidential life, what's the sever-- secret service protection why, why did they take away from the kids, how
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does it affect the spouse, all of that stuff and we worked on all the details as well as who can an ex-president call overseas and all that sort of stuff and how close to you get to the boundary line which most presidents have been low to class which is recognizing there's only one president at a time and you can't have an independent foreign policy, but it is your kid here and it's a human being and a very valuable one. she's a very impressive character, this young woman. >> she is. she's the hero of the book, for sure. you have seen a lot of movies and whatever or real life where someone, a child is missing and now imagine you have a situation with the former president who has a lot of context in terms of what he can bring to the party here in terms of finding his daughter who is missing.
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>> one of the interesting things is the mixed messages he gets from the white house and one of the things that triggers his decision to try to save his daughter more or less on his own and for a long time he thought she might still be in america. so, you can see how you slip into this in a manic determination to save your kids life. okay, i couldn't be reelected president and i like this person who's in, but if she is ambivalent about it by god i'm going to go get my daughter if i can or die trying. >> the people in office are not cooperating. >> i was curious, during the writing process, is there ever a moment when you two disagreed on how you wanted an element of the story to develop and if so, how did you resolve that? >> well, because of the way we
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did back and forth, you know, once we got started and had the framework done, i tried to make sure the dialogue is realistic as it could be like with the secret service and all that sort of stuff. then we didn't really have any disagreements except i don't like loose ends and i think once you raise a flag of the man whose father was killed in an operation i authorized, and he is still just off at this guy who has nothing to do with it, but he's only too happy to make his misery worse because he thinks he's heard an american, you know we try to make sure we close every loop but we never really had any arguments. >> for us, and i think in any collaboration as we have a lot of respect for one another and we listen to one another and we've never had an argument about anything, to be honest.
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>> he's so much better than i am [laughter] >> president clinton, you alluded to your love of the thriller genre but i'm curious if you can speak about what drew you to writing a thriller and can you share with us any maybe favorite thriller writers along with mr. patterson? >> first of all, i met appointment life when i can stay fully busy with my foundation and the work we do. i'm very happy with it. but, i wanted to do some different things. i've never done it and i figured for a guy who has literally read thousands of these stories, i mean, i just went back and read 319 '80s ross thomas mysteries. >> amazing. >> while i was waiting for you, i picked up a copy of stephen hunter's new novel. i love stephen hunter, but this
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is unlike any book is written before so i thought i went to see if he can write something about a different kind of character. 's main character was a guy from arkansas so i was always fascinated by, but i read stacy abrams all, new book the week it came out and i was fascinated by it because of all the intersection between the plot and the supreme court so i just love these things and i read not only child's books, i read all the robert price books, and i read a lot of other mystery writers i read a ton of women mystery writers, you know, karin slaughter-- >> she's amazing. >> and my psychological favorites sarah frisky. >> great choices. >> i still laugh out loud at that culture stuff, i mean, it
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drives me around the bend laughing so i just read these things and i thought ms. patterson has been more successful than anyone and he can get me interested in any character, not easy to write a gripping fast-paced thriller and still make sure you have enough real people in it that you are invested in them well before the end of the book. that's what we try to do. >> we did a section last night. he such a gentleman and a nice man and he said he liked the president is missing, but for him the president's daughter is so much better and he liked the first book quite a lot, so that was very nice for us to hear from him. >> i actually watch that event and his praise for the book was incredible and very well-deserved i might add. >> thank you, abby. >> gemini are different sort of
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competition because hillary is biting-- writing a book. the very-- i've read every book she's ever written and we are really trying to beat him. i hope we can. >> i think it's so courageous of louise and hillary to write the book in the form of an epic poem like beowulf, i think that is so brave of them and i hope a lot of readers like that because you know beowulf is important. [laughter] mr. patterson, we are thinking about the page turning quality. >> i'm kidding, everyone. i know you got it, but just in case. actually both of us have read the book and it's terrific. >> i can't wait to read that one as well and mr. patterson i was curious to know you know you are such-- you are one of the thriller writers that got me into reading.
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>> like old? >> no, serious as exceptional. the page turning quality of "the president's daughter" is very apparent from stage one i think i'm curious from your perspective what are the key ingredients that make that amazing tension and suspense in a thriller. >> when i'm writing i pretend there's one person sitting across from me i'm writing for them and i don't want them to get up until i'm finished. i may be too aware of that, too aware that people have other things to do and they get bored easily. the president who reads everything at one point said attention span of the butterfly is nine seconds and the human attention span is eight seconds, so you know and i'm very aware of that, maybe too aware of it. >> that was for the news, i mean, if you look at it when
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john kennedy was president and the news programs where one hour-long, and the president appeared on television the average talking time was 43 seconds. maybe it went up during trump when he was on a rage, but it was basically when i left office it was 18 when i took office and it was down to 12 and i think it was down to eight when president obama left, so the trick is how you keep people hooked and still hold the story together. because our story was a big story, the story the president's family,-- [inaudible] the president's daughter and then the stuff about-- we try not to shortchange the bad guys and make sure people see that they are people too. so, that becomes a story and in the story of the guy who wants to get even for his daddy
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getting killed 22 years ago, that's a story and then how did they enter and how did they exit, not just what are they doing between and then of course the president and her husband and her administration and how the various security people involved in this whole chase react to her and him and what they are saying, that's a story, so it took us a little longer than the first book, but we tried to keep it driving he's brilliant at that. >> one thing the president does and it's a weakness of mine that he corrects is to make these characters really rounded and complete human beings and not too good, not too bad, but complicated and he really does push especially the villains to make sure they aren't cardboard characters and that's important. that's one of the things that
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separates the two books we have done together from some of my books. >> i love that element, the humanity in these characters i think is one of the book's strongest selling points and also, talk about the decision you two made to set the book, once the president has left office he is a former president and i was curious, i think this changes so much about the book it would be a different story if president keating were still in office when the story took place and i was curious if you could share why you wanted to take readers into that phase of president keating's life. >> he should answer that because it was his idea. you know, he was always asking me what is life like now, how is it different. >> i don't know whose idea was, but the notion that president clinton is dealing with life right now is a former president so that was interesting to us and i like it when we are doing something and if i work with a cowriter and i know they are
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particularly-- i'm doing something with mike now and i know he's interested so we are doing a book about that and that's a helpful piece so that's one of the pieces that i knew that this notion of a former president and the other thing is in some ways if he was president and one of his family members went missing, he can bring everything to bear so it's a little too easy, not necessarily it will get solved, but it's interesting when he can't-- she doesn't have all of that power. >> and the day job he has to concentrate on. >> yes. >> very valuable, i mean, you see him wrestling with all of his old demons, which any sitting president has to put to the side, i mean, at least almost every one of them has. you have to really, you have to
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show up and realize you got hired to do this job and you are working for other people, not yourself. this freed him to do the most important thing in the world to him without being that she could be second guessed by other people in power, but he could not be second-guessed by the public he was sworn to serve and i think it would have been much tougher to make it as interesting of a book if he had been a sitting president. >> one thing i will promise, this is entertaining, so anyone listening, i think for both of us a couple times a month we went to have a real effects and a lot of times there is anything and i've kind of watched everything that's on netflix now , so i guarantee this will be a good thriller fix for everyone watching. it really moves like crazy. i think the characters are interesting, so that we will deliver. >> i can second that for sure and i would love to talk briefly
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about my personal favorite character in the book whose milk keating pic i love this character appeared she so resourceful and i love following her arc over the course of the story and what if you could share why it was important to give now the resourceful goodness and the skills she has. >> first about the story would work if she didn't have it because she would have survived to be saved, i mean,. >> if she is indeed saved. [laughter] >> i mean, she would never enough secondly she's her father and mother's daughter and thirdly she comes into her own. she has to grow up arguably to quicken some ways, but i think it's important. for people not to disempower themselves and i think that
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there's plenty of misconduct to go around on all fronts and many, many issues, but i think when people feel empowered, when they say i'm going to do this, exhibit a was what mandela did with his 27 years in prison and at least the last half of it when he quit he decided to put his hatred behind him and start thinking and feeling about the present and the future. the human mind, the spirit is still the most powerful thing on earth if people don't give it up and she is the model of someone. i can think, i know, what i remember and how am i going to get out of this, not oh, for me. >> that's what we mean when we say she's the hero of the book. remember the book unbreakable and once again, he would not be broken, that character and mail in this book will not be broken. she will not be broken for she
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will not give np she will be resourceful pick there's a lot of reasons for her to break down she's a kid. 19, 20 years old. >> well, love her character. i really did. as you mentioned previously they are so many details in the book that i think only can come from having a president as one of the books riders and one of the little details-- actually not that little of a detail, quite a big detail but it surprised me personally that the detail about security provided to former presidents and to their children and the fact that when children become adults of a former president, they are no longer under the protection of the secret service. i was curious, i mean, is that true and president clinton, i mean, how much of your own experience both as a former president and a parent inform like the way you wrote about this in the book? >> a lot because, i mean, i know of no serious effort that was
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ever made to kidnap my daughter. if there had been i would not have written the book for obvious reasons, but there are provisions under which the secret service can agree to extend coverage for adult children i think for up to six months, but you are always reluctant to do it-- and first of all children are normally meant to be on their own if they have normal lives, but that's what the rules are and i thought a lot about how i felt when my daughter was in lower manhattan on 9/11 and joined it tens of thousands of people walking north not knowing what in the living hell was going to happen to them and so there were times particularly in the first five or six years when i was out of office when i knew bin laden still ahead his sights on me
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because i came closer to killing him then anyone did until he lost his life. when i was glad i knew people in the private security business that if i needed it i could have its for chelsea because it's not her fault she didn't sign on for this and she had a life to build and she went about her business and you know she went back to school in england, she went to work in different jobs and she had her life, but i never wanted her to feel she was endangering anyway. >> i think interestingly i think the protection on president trump's kids is either about to run out or has run out, which is an interesting thing. i think some or all of them did keep the protection for six months. >> that's an interesting detail. now, i have to imagine the project was very fun to work on together, i mean, it's such a fun read. i was curious, what was the most
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enjoyable part of writing the book and working on it together for each of you? >> i just get a kick about working with him and listening to his stories and stop, i mean, it's a joy. we build up a nice little friendship. he gave me for christmas monopoly for socialists, which is a funny gift and you know so that's a joy for me. it's nice to-- you know life is too short to work with people you don't like to be around, so it's a treat for me on every level. >> the gift he gave me was a golf putter that had inscribed, guaranteed refund and i'm working on another project and when i'm finishing and i'm looking forward to playing for the first time with him and seeing if the promise is good. you know, i must say, once we got started, i was just always hungry for because what happened is he would send me as i told you i did research that i had to
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answer these questions like the ones you just asked and then he would send me a draft of a few chapters i would go over them carefully and make suggestions and after a while it becomes-- once we got into these people, our back-and-forth became hypnotic as we were waiting for the return, for the return, for the return because we got into their lives and it was in a way that took longer the first time and immediately just swept us along. >> as a writer, it's very satisfying when the booklet keeps getting better as opposed to you know like oh, my god, i'm stumped and i don't know where to go. in the case when we've been working together the book-- the books just keep getting better, which i think is what writers want to have happen. >> absolutely and before we
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switch to audience questions we are in the company of a lot of readers watching us on zoom. i'm curious to know, looking back on your lives as readers, is there particular books you credit as kind of helping you fall in love with reading? >> i tell you the books-- two books that really affected me as a writer and people don't read them anymore, but mr. bridge and mrs. the bridge, a family in kansas city in one book is her point of view of their marriage and raising the kids and the other is his and they are short chapters. they are very witty and real and human and engaging and also jerry kaczynski wrote a couple of books and those also influenced me in terms of the way i like to write. >> when i was a child, i lived
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at the public library in my hometown, practically. i remember within about a year's period i read every book they had on native american chiefs. i fell in love with native americans and i have been-- i was very involved in those issues when i was president and to some extent even when i was governor because we had tribal people in arkansas and i think their stories are not still not well known by most americans. >> one very weird thing recently we did one-- to figure out who your ancestors are and all that stuff and came back that i and 11% are quite indian, native american. it's like okay, great, but, i mean, where did that come from, interesting. >> i want to do one of those.
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interesting what you can find out. >> just like the commercial sty. >> era quite who are from where we live in new york. one of the first democratic republican republic my by constitutions of the government and the coordination, it was very impressive. >> that's amazing. >> on that now, we will turn things over to our audience questions here. we have semi- fantastic questions a reader submitted so we will get to as many as we hand before time is up to her to kickoff audience questions, mark from new york, says i'm a middle school teacher in brooklyn. what advice would you get a teenager who's thinking of a career in politics or a career as a writer? you. >> you handle the politics-- you handle the writer i'll have--
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no, you handle the politics. >> i would say if you are interested in politics, if you want to be really good about it, be good at it, if you want to both succeed in winning elections and then actually doing something with your office, you have to care about three things, passionately coming up to care about people first, then politics, how does it work, who wins and loses ny then policy. if they give you the job you got to do it and the more other directive your campaigns are the more likely they are to succeed, so i would say if you are a middle school student i would say first seek out people who are different from you, may be a different race, maybe a different gender, but certainly a different circumstance in life and get to know them, why do they think the way they do. explore your differences.
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learn early that someone you have a difference with, someone you may even be in a contest with doesn't make them subhuman and you can learn from people. benjamin franklin sent our enemies are our friends because they show us our faults if your second thing i would say is learn about politics. it's a science and an art. the more it becomes dictated by democratic categories, the more likely it is to be a barren desert of debates where you are just trying to drive everyone crazy and you are off in your corner already. thirdly, when you start to think about what you want to run a bow, make sure you know something about it, i mean, when i ran for governor, i knew exactly what i wanted to do. i was interested in education, development and race. i knew what i wanted to do.
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it helps if you don't have to say god, i won the election, now what? talk about writing. >> the writing thingy i think especially in middle school, read, read, read and a variety, don't say well i want to you know read something you don't think you are interested. read comedic stuff, read history and begin to think about like when is this writer trying to do and how is it working and then start scribbling. i think it's useful if you know we were talking last night about the notion of kids in school and every week writing about the family, writing the family story if everyone in the country did that, it would be really useful in kids schools. kids should just write about their families or what the
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president was a saying, you know right about the difference-- the different kind of kids in the school and-- but be nice. be nice. >> when chelsea was eight, next door, i mean, in the next room we did a little notebook where we would write a series of essays and i would write the first sentence and then she would write the second one and if she missed a word i would correct it and we would wind up telling a story and then we would do it again and then we would do it again. you know, she became a voracious reader, and now she knows more than her mother and i do about everything, but at the time we could still be helpful to her and i think we were. of course, we read to her a lot and we let her read and then we would let her write things that she liked to read.
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>> when our son jack was eight he wrote his first novel illustrated, death of the butterfly catcher. butterfly catcher gets on a plane and travel halfway around the country and doesn't catch a butterfly. he gets on a boat, travels around-- doesn't catch a butterfly, gets on the train, catches the butterfly, stepping off the train doesn't look and gets hit by a train going the other way, death of the butterfly catcher, butterfly flies away. kids got it, you know. illustrated. death of the butterfly catcher. >> amazing advice from both of you. thank you. bennett from georgia would like to know, president clinton, do you have a favorite james patterson book? >> that's hard to say because i like a lot of them, but the last one i read i love his autobiography-- >> it's not out yet. >> it's not out yet, but you should get it because the stories of his life and he knew a lot of interesting people.
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i like that. i like walking my combat boots because he showed what really motivates people to serve in the military and when they are under fire and under stress when drives them. i like that. as i said earlier, i like virtually all of his books including some of the standalone books in the black book, but i really, really like michael bennett and his family of 10 kids and i love the alex cross books because he's a counter type and at the time when he started writing there weren't many black geniuses who were academic crime solvers, but also had a real life. >> that's why morgan freeman did
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the movie because he liked that alex solve problems with his head rather than his fists. >> it's a great series appeared one of my favorites as well so terrific regulation. now, jordan from idaho would like to know what do you think makes you such an effective team >> we are curious. we like to know things that. would like to learn things will like each other, we respect each other. >> we are respectful and as i said listening in any endeavor, marriage, i don't care what it is, really listening to one of the issues i always had with hollywood is people don't listen much out there. everyone thinks they walk in and they think they have the answer and they don't want to listen to the other person at. i want to hear it. i went to hear that the site, i mean, it's going on in washington a lot now, people don't want to seem to listen. >> sam from pennsylvania would like to know, what message do you hope readers take away from
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"the president's daughter"? >> that when it is all said and done, your family matters most. that this is a country or the serving and serving well and that you have to be humble because when you start firing weapons and dropping bombs, there will be collateral damage and people who had lives to and who didn't deserve to die in the violence, so you better be damn careful when you do it. >> you know neither one of these books is political. we don't really specifically say whether the president, you know what party the president is with , but one thing about both of the presidents in these two books is they are both good human beings and i would like to
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think that we could all agree on that, that we want good human beings at the head of this country. it's just usually important. i think that is one of the things we try to get across and why we wanted this-- these presidents to be, you know, maybe a little larger than life, but just good people. >> absolutely. another question for both of you here, ginger from new york, would like to know who's your favorite character in this book? >> probably mel. >> yeah, yeah i would go with her. >> we like her a lot, but you know i liked a lot of the smaller characters. i like to the presidents. i found his successors husband to be a perfect bad guy because he is-- nothing matters but power to him.
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>> spineless. >> if that is all your life is about, you actually have an advantage in today's climate when the news reporting and everything is so competitive and when the way the human brain works something bad feels better than something good and if you don't have anything else, you just commit character assassination. no one can do that but you, but reputation assassination and i think-- so, i thought he was an interesting guy. i thought the angry chinese guy who lost his father was an interesting guy, but i like to mel. >> yeah, yup. >> let's see here, other question from someone from new york, tracy would like to now, how did the pandemic impact your collaborative process? >> probably not much because we were the first book pretty much
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the way we wrote the second one. we had an outline, and then i did my research and he did not first couple of chapters and it was back and forth, back and forth. >> it's just back and forth, very. i think our lives changed a lot, but actually i think it made me a little better writer. i concentrated more kind of-- got me going. i did write autobiography isn't out yet, but i did write it during that time i don't think i would have written it, but i focused more. i think i got a little better, which is nice as you get into your 50s like i am or one of those numbers, i forget what number it is. >> two things in my life that influence how i felt about the book and what contribution i try to make was the fact that after washington state, new york became the epicenter of the covid epidemic-- and the covid epidemic it was horrible in new york city.
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our daughter and son-in-law and three grandchildren moved next door into our little guesthouse and they still haven't gone home all the way yet and i felt almost guilty you know that people were suffering so much and i had resources to have hillary and i you know get interrupted every day by our grandchildren telling us to stop what we were doing to play with them. it was an unspeakable gift. the second thing was, i was literally overwhelmed by the courage of the front-line workers. we saw it-- you know in new york you may have saw it at least on the news how around a certain hospitals people would come out and stand on their balconies or stand on the street and just to cheer them when they were going home or coming to and it just made me realize that life is
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fragile and should be cared for and the people that are willing to stick their neck's out-- >> the president mentioned the military, you know my combat boots. i just finished with matt everett's men who is the actual sergeant in black hawk down but we just finished this on emergency room nurses that's coming out this year end it's more powerful even than "combat boots" and just stories of these men and women, more women than men, but just not just coming, i mean, pre-covid and it's just stunning, stunning the lives these people lead. >> i look forward to reading that. >> i think that's out in october. >> here is a fun question from a christian from virginia and she would like to know, did your wives read the manuscript prior to the publisher and if so did they have helpful comments? >> yes and yes.
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[laughter] >> i let hillary read everything and she, you know, she knows a lot about a lot of the issues we were dealing with and she did, she made a few comments that i thought were spot on particularly about some of our female characters that were in positions of power and how they would maneuver. you know, you have a female fbi director who likes the former president and is serving the current one and all that sort of stuff. she had a good feel for that. >> same way, as susan real world and like you know this is starting to flag or not that interested in this character are i'm not believing someone you know whatever so she's my first reader all the time. >> i love that. another question for both of you here and this might be something you have touched on a bit, but it's a great question so i will just put it out there steve from california would like to know,
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how can teachers help children become interested in being lifelong readers? >> give them books you know there are millions of kids in this country that have never read a book they loved. we have to somehow in the system make sure that at least some of the books in the stories the kids are reading then just go, give me another book. i have children's imprint and our mission is when the kid finishes one of our books they will say please give me another book and that's just crucial that kids go like that was great, give me another one. >> you know, jim has done amazing work here and we have this little project, too small to fail and we have given out about a million books. we are putting a lot of them interesting way enough in corn-- coin-operated laundry, learning spaces. a lot of times single moms or at
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least mothers coming in, they don't have a washing machine in their house and they can afford it. they come in and they had their kid with all this downtime and now they can come in and read to them and sometimes you find it reading groups get organized. that step is important. i have to mention gyms friend, dolly parton who was probably given away more books than we have, i mean, she's really gone into it big time. i think it's all about her upbringing coming out, i remember when we were young hillary and i went to hear her sing in the 1974 i think that was a long time ago, 75 at a little place down the mountain from where we were living and she had just made coat of many colors and she sang that song about her mother making a coat out of a rags for her. there's a lot of people out
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there who could be dolly parton or who could be james baldwin or ralph ellison or gabriel garcia or you name it who if they just got a start they would take it. >> absolutely. >> my first book was turned down by 31 publishers. you just have to keep believing in its and moving it forward. >> amazing. >> just keep chopping wood. >> for our next question, tom from connecticut would like to now, how have you to be a grown writers from working together? >> i think at least for me it's as i said, concentrating even more on making sure that the
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characters are fully believable and rounded and don't get lazy. just because you get the plot to write doesn't mean that-- it needs more than that, more than just a strong plot. >> for me it's paying attention to how he does it, i mean, when i get a draft from jim i will just sit there sometimes and shake my head like i could have never gotten that much stuff into that few words and how he's never let you forget who the character is that drives the plot and i really had no clue how to do that because you know being president or any other politician primarily speaking and you can explain, but you also sometimes don't have time the same discipline you do is
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when you write something down. and actually writing a speech can become a hindrance unless you do it the way churchill did. he would write his speeches out and then practice them 15 times if they were important so he could virtually give them from memory, but if you don't have that kind of time, the written word can keep you from the audience and when you write a book, that's what you got. you have to have exceptional skills to do it well, so i have learned an enormous amount and every time i get a page from him i just read it and think i wouldn't have done it that way. i could have done it. i'm learning how to do this. >> that's wonderful. looks like we are just about out of time here, so for our last audience question i will ask you to what was by far the most popular question submitted, which is are you two hoping to
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be able to write another book together again in the future fax will we be able to look forward to a another president clinton and james patterson thriller? >> let's see how this one does. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, let's see how this does and see if we have another story where both interested in telling. we didn't immediately go and write the second time. it took a while before we decided to do another one so we will see what happens. i think we are both open to it and we will see. >> we got to wait and see how it plays out. >> you have lots of fans keeping fingers crossed that you will and thank you both. >> you got to buy the damn book. [laughter] >> on that now is the perfect time for me too remind everyone if you like to get additional copies of "the president's daughter", you can find it at your local barnes & noble or online at barnesandnoble.com.
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mr. president, mr. patterson, thank you for joining me this evening. this was so much fun and congratulations to you both got -- both on the publication of "the president's daughter". >> thank you, abby. you are a joy. >> thank you. good night everyone. >> here's a look at books being published this week, and american marxism tv and radio host mark levine argues that marxist ideology has entered americans-- american institution enter as the constitution. explore the legal battle over abortion in controlling women. and in checkmate in berlin, giles milton looks at the cold war tension between america and the soviet union were brilliant. also published this week, after adam stern recounts his time participating in a psychiatry residency at harvard in, committed, testosterone the hormone that divides us, biology
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professor carol kunin looks at how testosterone has a shaped human evolution. carrie audit is a collection of writings by the late democratic congressman john lewis of georgia kirk find these titles this coming week where other-- wherever books are sold and watch for many of the authors to appear in the near future on the tv. >> on a recent episode of the job mobley show podcast criminal profiler patrick brown and her son, dave, discuss race in america and argued that black lives matter is ignoring the legacy of doctor martin luther king jr. here's a portion of the program. >> i live in an area in maryland which is majority a black community and nina started sending me these e-mails saying hey, in your community you could join this group and of course i was interested because you know when you want to get involved in
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something you would like it to be not like an hour away if you could have it five minutes away, so i said this is great there's a walking group, a book group, all these cool groups and the groups that were named african-american something or yoga is for black girls and i'm like and there were not just one or two, there were dozens of these and they were in my community, so i decided i'm going to try to sign up with them because this is where i live. i send over i went to join your group and they saw my picture and they said no, you can't join because we are only for african-americans. of course it was interesting because they immediately-- >> did they know you were from africa at the time? >> i mean, they looked at my face and you are white not african-american which i think is funny because we have merkel right now and if you look at her she claims to be black and she's probably am going to guess one
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quarter. >> that was news two me. i had no idea. >> what if she sent her picture, she would probably be turned down for not being black enough so i said this can't be happening in our country, we can have black only groups. we shouldn't have a wide only, we should have either one of them so i wrote and said hey, this seems like discrimination and a violation of the civil rights act of 1964. i want to join these groups and i cannot get in nina wrote back to me and said that's okay we will help you find white people groups. i mean, they actually said they will help you find white people. i'm like are you kidding me. so, i said also are you saying that i can have a white only group and that's okay and they said yes. >> what could possibly go wrong? >> i'm like i have to test this to see if it's something that truly is acceptable so i made up
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white women yoga and for people who don't understand me i don't like yoga. it's a great thing to do but i personally can't stand doing it so i really wasn't going to actually have this group and i don't want a group that is white women so i put white women yoga together and i put it out there and all hell broke loose and i started getting tons of e-mails and messages saying we are going to-- you are a nazi, kkk, all races, white supremacist, how can he say these things you know and don't you know brown people made yoga and it was funny because i was in yoga at the time and all of my indian friends were kind of brown and i was like i kind of think i know they started yoga, but eventually of course the site got told. i went on tucker carlson to talk about this and said tucker, i'm letting everyone know that i
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didn't want a white only group. that was not the purpose of it. after i did that show, i got a ton of e-mail which is said thank you, thank you, we are sick of this division. we are sick of the separation and you know black dorm floor and out black graduation and you know isn't this just going back in time that separating the races again and i say yes. that's what started this concern of mine along with everything else we have seen since obama came in. i mean, this is not what was started when i encountered this, but it's been getting worse over the years and this is my personal experience. dave and i got together and decided we should you know bring this to people's attention and really say we have to stop it. >> so, dave, what does that look
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like wax you get a phone call, a text from your mom and she says i have a crazy idea, walk us through how you came on board with the book. >> well, my mother-- [inaudible] >> it's interesting we live in an end time in the country where standing up for your own opinion or belief is a stirring the pot. >> like you said, you know, standing up for your viewpoints, the reason i signed on was that so many years of my life i have been pretty quiet keeping my opinions to myself and you get to this point where you just can't hold back anymore. you are so irritated because everyone has a voice on twitter and social media and you try to be nice and go along and try not to stir the pot, but then again if you don't stand up and say something, we are sort of at the
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purposes in this country of absolute insanity and it seems like we are taking the first step so i think i've been quiet most of my life and it's time to stop being quiet and stand up and get my opinions out there and hopefully change minds before things go completely and change and that's my goal here. we have got to speak out. i'm speaking out. i'm not scared. you shouldn't be scared either. as the attitude to have. you have to have an attitude that you have to stand up for what you believe in at some point in your life or you might as well lay down and die. >> to watch the rest of the program visit book tv.org, find the search box and the top of the page to look for pat and david brown or the title of the book "black-and-white".
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