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next on c-span's booktv, best-selling author james patterson and former president clinton discussed their new thriller involving the abduction of the daughter of the former u.s. president by terrorists. find more information at or consult your program guide for full schedule information. >> good evening, everyone and welcome to tonight virtual event. my name is abby endler and i'm the creator of crime fiction review website crime by the book. i did a publicist at alfred a. knopf. i'm honored to be moderate tonight virtual event with two others who really need no introduction, president bill clinton and james patterson. type will be discussing the brand-new thriller "the president's daughter" which was just published this week. we're going to invite president clinton and mr. patterson on screener and then we will kick
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off our discussion. -- screen here -- president clinton, mr. patterson, thank you so much for letting me join you this evening i'm so looking forward to discussing "the president's daughter" with you both. >> we are ready. >> glad to be here. >> i thought to kick things off i would like to start at the very beginning. this is the second thriller you to have run together and i know myself and probably many other readers out there are so curious to know, how did this partnership come about? >> tell them. tell them how it happened. it's your book. >> well, we have an agent in common, bob barnett, and he knew, he handled three or four books for me but they were all nonfiction and he knew that i was a voracious reader of thrillers and i was particularly
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-- jim cross and michael bennet books and he said you guys ought to do this together. i said why in the living daylights would he ever mess with me? eyman neil fight. i have no idea, i'd be happy to you because i like to how it's done. >> it's working quite well i should say and congratulations speedy for me, the idea, i i d this a little bit but i'm actually on the hudson river and upper thataway is where i grew up small-town newburgh, new york, and i still look at the world through that lens, the lens of a guy from newburgh. so the idea of doing something with president clinton is stunning. i look at it as a gift to be able to not be cynical and truly have fun doing these things. it's a great honor for me to do
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this thing. this is fun, this is a good think. >> there so many readers are so glad that this partnership did come to be. before going further into this event would ask you questions i know some author still love to answer but but i wonder if d tell us in your own words what is your new book all about? just help orient the readers before we go any farther in this discussion. >> first of all it's the story of a former president who -- >> that sounds familiar. >> but this guys different. he's an accident present in the first place. he was a short-term house member when he was picked to run as vice president, and the president died so he became president. and thinking he was doing the right thing, he appointed his vice president the woman who ran second to the president in the primary election. and then she is not only non-grateful, she beats him when one of his military operations
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goes south. so he's leaving after one term with lots of energy and lots of regret, and he's not sure he can save his marriage because he loves his wife very much but she's got a different career and she put on hold and she needs to pursue it. so they're in two different places, , and then their daughtr goes missing. for something he did as president. so he has written with anger and guilt and concern. and it's i think a gripping story. then there's three more stories. there's the story of the kidnapper and why he did what he did. and he's also, if is not a total sociopath, gripped with grief because he lost his wife and three children in an operation
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where he was the target, and he knowingly left them in harm's way to full the intelligence of our side. and then there's the story of a chinese man who worked his way into the fairly high ranks of chinese diplomacy and intelligence who has a deep scar from childhood, not because against america, not because anything this president did, because of something i did when we bombed what we thought was a security building in serbia, editor not to be the chinese embassy, and his father was killed. and the fourth story is the incumbent president who's trying to figure how to hang onto her job, and her chief of staff who is her husband, and whether they would be better off if the president's daughter were found
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and rescued, or not. so there's really four real-life tales here in this otherwise -- >> the first book we did, he was the president in office and his incredible cybersecurity breach, which we are really reading a lot about now, and the potential disaster that that could be. the president has to do with that in office. this book is a president who is no longer in office, and all of these stories that the president mentioned, it's a freight train because they're all going full speed ahead, and the big one being obviously that the president's daughter is missing, and -- that she's been kidnapped. and for the idea of this book is to show the humanity. what happens to this human being who loves this person, and it could be any, it could be a son,
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it could be a brother, whatever, but how does he human being responded to the. >> actually, our real universe is here. every parents worst nightmare absolute. as you describe this book is a complex story at the reading experience is effortless. the pages fly by and i know i'm not the only person wondering how did two authors join forces? what's the writing process look like that allows you to write such a cohesive book, the two of you? how did you approach writing the book? >> first, we talked about what might be a a couple of story s which we bounced around. once we decide we're going to do another book. and then the outline. we went back and forth fibrous extent with the outline, just keep tearing it down and layering on, cutting out what is it going to move this thing forward. michael connelly said about my books and it relates so much to
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this book is every single chapter moves both the plot and the characterization forward and turned on the movie projector in our heads. that's sort of one of the things we try to do. the other big piece with president clinton, one of the big pieces, is just the authenticity. if such and such happened here's the way it would happen, which in a lot of thrillers you don't get that. >> absolutely. >> you know, what we did was once we agreed on an outline, we did exactly what we did on the first book. jim did a couple of chapters and i had a to-do list, all the technical things about ex-presidential life, what's the secret service protection why? why did he take it away from the kids? how does it affect the spouse? all of that stuff, and we worked out all the details of it, as well as who can a next president
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call overseas and all that sort of stuff and how close do you get to the boundary line which residents, most presidents have been loath to cross which recognizing there's only one president at a time into candidate independent foreign policy, but it is your kid here and it's a human being, and a very valuable one. she is a very impressive character, this young woman. >> she is the hero of the book for sure. in a lot of movies or whatever or real life or somebody, child is missing, now imagine you have a situation with a former president who has a lot of contacts, and in terms of what he can bring to the party here in terms of finding this a daughter who is missing. >> one of the interesting things is the next messages he gets from the white house, one of the things that triggers his decision to try to save his daughter more or less on his
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own. for a long time he thought she might still be an america. you can see how you slip into this in a manic determination to save your kids life. okay, i couldn't be reelected president and i don't like this person who is in, but if she's been ambivalent about it, my god, , i'm going to go get my daughter if i can, or die trying. >> the president in office is not cooperating. >> i was curious, during the writing process was her a moment when you disagree on how you wanted an element of this story to develop, and if so, how did you resolve that? >> well, because of the way we did back and forth, once we get started and we had the framework, i tried to make sure that the dialogue was all, is realistic as it could become like with the secret service and
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all that sort of stuff. and then we didn't really have any disagreements except i don't like loose ends and i think once you've raised the flag of the man whose father was killed in an operation i authorized and he is still mad at this guy who has nothing to do with it, but he's only too happy to make his misery worst because he thinks he's hurting america. we try to make sure we close the loop but we never really had any arguments. >> for us, editing the key to any collaboration is we have a lot of respect for one another and we listened to one another. we've never had an argument about anything to be honest with you. golf a little bit, but no expert he is so much better than i am. >> president clinton, you alluded already to love of the
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thriller genre i was curious if you could speak a little bit about what drew you to writing a thriller, and can you share with us in the maybe favorite thriller writers along with mr. patterson? >> first of all, i'm at a point in my life when i can stay fully busy with my foundation and the work we do, and a very happy with it. but i just wanted to do some different things. i had never done it and i figured for a guy who was literally read thousands of the thrillers, i just went back and read three, 1980s ross thomas thrillers. >> amazing. >> i just come wallows waiting for you i picked up a copy of stephen hunters new novel. i love stephen hunter but this is unlike the book is written to force i thought i want see if you can write something about a different kind of character. his main character was a guy from arkansas size i asked her to buy it.
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i read stacey abrams new book the weekend came out and i was fascinated by it because of all the intersection between the plot and the supreme court. i just love these things. i read all the michael connelly books, and i read a lot about mr. writers. i read a whole ton of women mystery writers, you know, karin slaughter. >> she is amazing. >> and my psychological favorite, sarah -- >> great choices. >> janet because he make the latter i still laugh out loud at all that jersey culture stuff. it just tries me around the band laughed at. i just read these things and i thought mr. patterson has been more successful than anybody and he can give me interested in any character.
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it's not easy to write gripping fast-paced thriller as to make sure you got enough real people in it that you invested in them. well before the end of the book. that's what we tried to do. >> we did a session last night and the child was the moderator and we're both fans of his any such a gentleman in such a nice man. he said he liked the president is missing but he of trim "the president's daughter" is so much better and he liked the first book quite a lot. so that was very nice for us to hear from him. >> i watched that event and his praise for the book was incredible. it really was an very well deserved might add. >> thank thank you, abby. >> i had to say, jim and die a different of a competition and because hillary is writing a book with a very good friend of ours and i read every book she's ever written. we're really trying to beat them. i hope we can.
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>> i think it is so courageous of louise and hillary to write the book in the form of an epic poem like beowulf, iliad and divine comedy. i think that's so great of in and out a lot of readers like that because beowulf is important. >> oh, my gosh. mr. patterson, we're speaking about the page turning quality of -- >> just kidding, everybody. just in case. actually both of us have read the book and it is terrific. >> right guy can't wait to read that one as well. mr. patterson, you are such an experience thriller writer, one of the thriller writers who got me into reading -- >> experienced like old? >> know, like successful. curious to know, the page turning quality of "the president's daughter" is very apparent from page what i think
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and injuries from your perspective, what are the key ingredients that make for the amazing intention and suspense in a thriller? >> when i'm writing i've region is one person sitting across from me, i'm writing for them at a don't want them to get up until unfinished. it may be too well aware of that, too aware that people have other things to do, that they get bored easily. the president who eats everything, one point he said the attention span of the butterfly is nine seconds, , and the human attention span is eight seconds. and a very aware of that, maybe too aware of it. >> that was for the news. if you look at it, when john kennedy was president and the news programs were an hour long, when the president appeared on television the average talking time was 43 seconds. maybe and went up during trump
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when he is on a rage but it was basically, when i left office it was 18 when i took office. it was down to 12 and i think it was down to eight when president obama left. the trick is how you keep people hooked and still hold a store together. because our story was a big story, the story of the president's family, the president's daughter, and then the stuff about, we try not to shortchange the bad guys. you know, make sure that people say they are people, too. so that becomes a story and then the story of the guy who wants to get even for his daddy getting killed 22 years ago. that's a story. and then how did they enter and how to the exit, not just what do they do in between?
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and, of course, the president and her husband and her administration, and how the various security people involved in this whole chase react to her and him and what they are saying. that's a story. it took us a little longer than the first book but we tried to keep it driving, you know, and he is brilliant at that. >> one of the things that the president does come and it's a weakness of mine that he corrects, is to make these characters really rounded and complete human beings, and not too good, not too bad, complicated. and he really does push especially the villains to make sure that they're not cardboard characters, and that's important. that's one of the things that separates the books we've done together from some of my books. >> i love that element the humanity in these characters i think is one of the books strongest selling points. i would love to talk about the
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decision you made to set this book, once president keating has left office. he's a former president and this changes so much about the book. i very different story if president keating were still in office when the book, when the story took place. i was curious if you could share why you wanted to take readers into that phase of his life? >> jim should add to that because it was his idea. he was always asking me, what's life like that works how is it different? >> that a piece of it, i don't know whose idea it was but the notion that president clinton is dealing with life now as as a former president so that was interesting to us. i like it when were doing something and you know that, if i work with a cowriter, i know they are particularly, i know is interested in horses were doing a book about that. that's a helpful piece. that's one of the pieces that i knew that this notion of a
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former president. the other thing is in some ways, if he was president and one of his family members went missing, he can bring everything to bear so it's a little too easy, not necessarily get solved what is more interesting when he can't come he does have all that power. >> and he also didn't have a day job that he has to concentrate on. >> yes. >> very valuable. but you see him wrestling with all of his old demons, which feeney sitting president has to put to the side i mean, at least almost everyone of them has. you've got to show up and realize you got to do this job and you're working for yourself and no one else. this freedom to the most important thing in the world to him without being, he can be second-guessed by other people in power but he could not be
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second-guessed by the public he was sworn to serve. it would've been much tougher to make it as interesting a book if he had been a sitting president. >> one thing i will promise, this thing is entertaining. anybody listening, i think for both of us, couple times a month or so we want to have a thriller fix. a lot of times there isn't anything, and a kind of watched everything that's on netflix now. so i guarantee you this would be a good thriller fix or everybody who's watching. it really moves like crazy. i think the characters are interesting, and so that we will deliver. >> i can second that, for sure. i would love to talk briefly about my personal favorite character in the book who is mel keating. i love this character. she is so resourceful and unloved following her art over the course of the story. i wonder if you could share why
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was a born to you to give mel the resourcefulness and the skills that she has? >> well first of all, the story wouldn't work if she didn't have it because she wouldn't have survived to be saved. >> if she is indeed saved. [laughing] spur i mean, she would never -- you know, secondly, she is her father and mothers daughter. and thirdly, she comes into her own. she has to go up arguably too quick in some ways, but i think it's important for people not to disempower themselves. and i think that, look, there's plenty of misconduct to go around on all fronts and many issues, but i think when people feel empowered, when they say i'm going to do this, exhibit a was what mandela did with his 27
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years in prison. and at least last half of it when he quit he decide to put his hatred behind him and start thinking and feeling about the present and the future, that the human mind, this spirit is still the most powerful thing on earth, if people don't give it up. she is a model of someone who i can think, i know, what do i remember, and how am i going to get out of this? not oh, for me. >> that's what we mean when we said she is the hero of the book. remember that book unbreakable. once again he would not be broken, that character, and mel in this book will not be broken. she will not be broken. she will not give in. she will be resourceful. there's a lot of reasons for her to break down and she's a kid, she's 19, 20 years old. >> i loved her character, i really did.
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as you mentioned previously there are so many details in this book that can only come from having a president is one of the books writers. one of the details, not the little, a pretty big detail really surprised me personally was the detail about security provided to former presidents and to the children, and the fact when children become adults, children of former presidents, they are no longer under the protection of the secret service. i was curious, is that true? president clinton, how much did your own experience both as a former president and as a parent informed the way you wrote about this in the book? >> a lot, because i mean, i know of no serious effort that was ever made to kidnap my daughter. there had been i wouldn't have written this book for obvious reasons. but there are provisions under
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which the secret service can agree to extend the coverage for adult children i think for up to six months. but you are always reluctant to do it because, first of all, your children are normally glad to be on their own and have normal lives. but that's what the rules are, and i thought a lot about how i felt when my daughter was in lower manhattan on 9/11 and joined tens of thousands of people walking north not knowing what the hell was going to happen to them. so there were times in the first, figure in first five or six years when i was out of office when a new bin laden still had is bugs on me because they wanted to kill me. i was glad i knew what people in
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a privacy to visit and if i needed it i could have it for chelsea because it's not her fault. she didn't sign on for this, and she had a life to build and she went about our business, you know, she went back to school in england. she went to work in different jobs and she had her life, but i never wanted her to feel that she was in danger in any way. >> i i think that, interestingl, i think the protection on president trump's kids either about to run out or has run out, which is an interesting thing. i think some or all of them did keep the protection for six months. >> that is an interesting detail. now, after match in this project was very fun to work on together and it is such a fun ride. what was the most enjoyable part of writing this book and working on it together for each of you? >> i just get a kick about working with him and listening to his stories and stuff. it's a joy. we have built up a nice little
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friendship. he gave me a christmas monopoly for socialists, which is a nice, funny gift. that's a joy for me. life is too short to work with people you don't like to be around, so this this is a r me on every level. >> the gift he gave me was a golf putter that had inscribed guaranteed two but. i'm working on another project now and what a finish it i look forward to playing the first time with him and seeing if it the promise is good. but you know, i'm going to say, once we got started i was just always hungry for, because whatever he would send me as a told you i did some research that had to answer all these questions like the ones you just asked, and then he would send a draft of the few chapters and i would go over them very carefully and make suggestions.
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after a while it becomes, once got into these people, are back and forth became hypnotic. were sitting there waiting breathlessly for the return, for the return, for the return because we got into their lives in a way that took longer the first time. this one immediately just swept us along. >> as a writer is a very satisfying when the book keeps getting better. as opposed to, like, oh, my god, i'm stumped and i don't know where to go. in the case, when we been working together the books just keep getting better, which is, i think that's what writers want to have happen. >> absently. before we switch over to audience questions we're in the company of a lot of readers are watching us on zoom now. i was curious to know looking back on your lives as readers, are there particular books that you credit as helping you fall
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in love with reading? >> i tell you that two to ms that really affected me as a writer. people don't read them anymore but there's -- mr. bridge and mrs. bridge, about a family out in kansas city and one book is just her point of view in their marriage and raising the kids and the other one is his. they are short chapters, very witty and real and human and engaging. and also jerzy kozinski wrote a couple of books, steps, and those also influenced me in terms of the way i like to write. >> when i was a child i lived at the public library, my hometown, practically. i read i remember within about a years time i read every book they had on native american
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chiefs. i fell in love with native americans and a is very invold in those issues when i was president. to some extent even when i was governor because we had tribal people in arkansas, and i think their stories are not, still not very well known and most americans. .. >> it's interesting what you can find out. >> just like thcommercials say. the iroquois who are from up
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in new york , yes . they had one of the first democratic republics, like with a constitution, it was very impressive. >> that's amazing. >> on that note, we're going to turn over to our questions . we have so many fantastic questions readers have submitted so we're going to get through as many as we can before our time is up . mark from new york says i am a middle school teacher in brooklyn. what advice would you give a teenager thinking about a career in politics or as a writer? >> you handle the writer,i'll handle the politics . >> i would say if you're interested in politics, ifyou want to be really good at it , if you want to both succeed
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in winning elections and then doing something with your office, you have to care about three things passionately. you have to care about people first, then politics, how does it work, who wins, who loses and why and then policy . if they give you a job you've got to do it and the more directed your campaigns are the more likely they are to succeed so i would say for your middle school students, i would say first seek out people who aredifferent from you . maybe a different race, maybe a different gender but certainly a different circumstance in life. and get to know them. why do they think the way they do in mark explore your differences. learn early that someone you have a difference with, someone you may be in a contest with is not subhuman and you can learn from them.
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our enemies are our friends and second thing is i would say is one thing about politics, it's a science and an art and the more it becomes dictated purely by demographic categories the more likely it is to be barren desert of debate. where you are just trying to drive everybody crazy who's not already there. thirdly when you start to think about what you want to write about make sure you know something. when i ran for governor i knew exactly what i wanted to do. i was interested in education, development, i knew what i wanted to do. and it helps if you don't have to say iwon the election, now what ?
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>> the writing thing especially in middle school, just read and variety. don't say -- read stuff you don't think you're interested in. read comedic stuff, read serious stuff, read history. begin to think about what is this writer trying to do and how is it working andstart scribbling . i think it's useful if we were talking last night about the notion of kids in school every week writing about their family. writing the family story. everybody in the country did that, it would be really useful in schools. the kids could just write about their family or what the president was aimed, write about the differences, the different kinds of kids in the school. but be nice. the nice. >> when chelsea was eight, i
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still have it next door. i mean, in the next room. we did a little notebook where we would write a series of essays together. and i would write the first sentence and she would write the second one and if she misspelled the word i would correct it. we would wind up telling a story and we would do it again and again. she became a voracious reader . and now she knows more than i do about everything but at the time wecould still be helpful to her and i think we were . first we read to her and then let her read and then we let her write things that she would like to read. >> when our son jack was eight he wrote his first novel illustrated, death of the butterfly catcher. butterfly catcher travels halfway around the country,
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doesn't catch a butterfly. gets on a boat, doesn't catch a butterfly. gets on the train just a butterfly. the training and gets hit by a train going the other way. death of the butterflycatcher . kids got it. and it's illustrated, death of a butterfly catcher. >> amazing advice from both of you, thank you and from jordan he would like to know president clinton, do you have a favorite james patterson book ? >> that's hard to say because i like a lot of them but the last one i read, i love his autobiography. >> it's not out yet. >> it's not out yet but you should get it was it's the story of his life and he knew a lot of interesting people. so i like that. i like walk in my combat boots because he showed what motivates people to serve in
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the military and when they're under fire and under stress, what drives them. i like that and i like as i said earlier, i like personally all of his books including some of the standalone books but i really really like michael bennett and his family of 10 kids and i love the alex cross books. because he is a counter type and at the time he started writing there weren't many black geniuses who were academic crime solvers. but also have a real life. >> that's why morgan freeman the movie that he liked alex could solve problems with his head rather than his fists. >> it's one of my favorites
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as well so terrific recommendation. jordan from idaho says what do you think what makes you such an effective team? >> we're curious. we like to learn things and we respect each other. >> respectful. listening is huge. in any endeavor, marriage, i don't care what it is. really listening. one of the issues i've had with hollywood is there's not too much listening out there. everybody thinks that answer nobody listens to each other. i want to hear what they have to say. unfortunately that's going on in washington a lot right now , people don't seem to want to listen. >> dan from pennsylvania would like to know what message do you hope readers take awayfrom the president's daughter ? >> that when it's all said and done, your family matters
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most. that this is a country worth serving and serving well. and that you have to be humble because when you start firing weapons and dropping bombs there will be collateral damage and people who have half-lives to and who didn't deserve to die in the violence so you'd better be damn careful to do it. >> neither one of these books is political. and we don't really specifically say whether the president, what party the president is with, but one thing about both of the presidents in these two books is they are both human, both good human beings and i'd like to think we canagree on that . we want good human beings at the head of this country. it's just hugely important. i think that's one of the
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things we tried to get across and why we wanted these presidents to be you know, maybe a little larger-than-life butjust good people . >> absolutely. another question for both of you here, ginger from new york would like to know who is yourfavorite character in this book ? >> probably know. >> i would go with her. >> i like her a lot. but i like a lot of the smaller characters. i like the president. i found his successors husband to be a perfect bad guy because he's nothing matters but power to him. >> is just spineless. >> if that's all your life is about, you actually have an
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advantage in today's climate . when the news reporting and everything is so repetitive and the way the human brain works , nothing bed bad sells better than nothinggood . if you have nothing else, do character assassination, no one can do that but you and i think i thought he was an interesting guy. i thought the angry tiny guy who loved his father was an interesting guy. but i liked mel, he really worked hard onhim . >> let's see here. i have a question from someone in new york. tracy would like to know out of the pandemic impact your collaborative process? >> probably not much because we wrote the first book pretty much the way we were the second one. we had an outlet and i did my research and he did the first coupleof chapters and it went back and forth . >> just back and forth, very
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similar . i think our lives changed a lot actually, i think it may be a little better writer. i concentrated more and it got me going. i did write, the autobiography isn't out yet but i did road rightduring that period . i do think i focused more. i think i got a little better which is nice to get into your 50s like i am, or one of those numbers, whatever it is . >> there are two things in my life that influenced i felt about this book and the contributions i tried to make were the fact that after washington state , new york came the epicenter of the epidemic. and it was horrible in new york city. our daughter and son-in-law and three grandchildren moved next door into our guest house and they still haven't gone home all the way yet and
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i felt almost guilty that people were suffering so much and i have the resources to have hillary and i get interrupted every day by our grandchildren telling us what we're doing and play with them. it was an unspeakable gift. and the second thing was i was literally overwhelmed by the courage of thefront-line workers . and we saw it in new york, you may have seen it on the news how around certain hospitals, people would come out and stand on their balconies or on the street and just cheer them at night when they were going home and coming towork . it just made me realize that life is fragile and it should be cared for and people are willing to stick their neck south. >> the president mentioned
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military, walk in my combat boots. i finished with matt halverson who was the actual sergeant portrayed in black hawk down and we finished one on emergency room nurses that's coming up this year and it's more powerful even then combat boots. and it's just stories of these men and women, more women than men but just what they get through, not just covid and its stunning the lives these people lead. >> i look forward to reading. >> that will be out october. >> there is a question for kristin from virginia. did your lot wives read the manuscript prior to publishing and if so did they have anyhelpful comments ? >> yes and yes. >> i let hillary read everything. she knows a lot about a lot of the issues that we were dealing with.
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and she did, she made a few comments that i thought were spot on, particularly about some of our female characters that were in positions of power and how they would maneuver. you've got a female fbi director who likes the former president and is serving the current one and all that sort of stuff. she had a good feel for that. >> sue is the same way. sue is very real world and this is a smart flag or i'm not that interested in this characteror whatever . she's my first reader all the time. >> i love that. another question for both of you here this might be something you saw a littlebit but it's a great question so i put it out there . sue from california would like to know how can teachers of children become interested in being lifelong readers? >> give them books, man.
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there are millions of kids in this country who have never read a book that we love. we can't in the system make sure that at least the books and stories our kids are reading they just go give me another book. i have a children's imprint and our mission is when a kid finishes one of our books he says give me another book and that's crucial in schools that kids go that was great, give me another one. >> jim has done amazing work here. we have this little project, too small to fail. we've given out about 1 million books and we're putting a lot of them interestingly enough in coin operated laundries. learning spaces where there are national associations and a lot of times single moms or recent mothers are coming out and they don't have a washing machine in their house. they come in and they got their kids and all this time and now they can read to them .
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sometimes you find reading groups get organized and that's that's important. i have to mention, jim's friend dolly parton was given away more books than we have. she's really gotten into it big time. and i think it's all about her bringing. i remember when we were young lori and i went to europe and and in 1974 i think,that's a long time ago or 75 . we had a little place down the mountains and that she had just sign saying that song about her mother making a coat outof rags . there's a lot of people out there who could be dolly parton or who could be james baldwin or richard pryor or ralph ellison or gabriel
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garcia marquez or you name it . who, if they just got a start , they would take it. >> yes. >> absolutely. >> you got to have grit. my first book was turned down by 31 publishers so you've got to keep believing in it and moving it forward. just keep chopping wood. >> for our next question, tom from connecticut would like to know how have each of you grown as a writer from working together? >> i think of these for me is as i said, concentrating even more on making sure that these, that the characters are fully believable and rounded and don't get lazy. just because you've got the plot right doesn't mean that
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-- it needs more than that, it needs more than just a strong plot. >> for me it's paying attention to how he does it. when i get a draft from him, i'll just sit there andshake my head . i should have never gotten that much stuff into that few words and how he's never let you forget who the character is or the drive of the plot. i had no primarily his art you can explain but you sometimes don't have to say this is when you write something down and writing a speech can become a hindrance unless you do what churchill did. the right is because the
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practice if they were given from memory but if you don't have that kind of time, the written word you know, keeps you from the audience. and when you write a book, that's what you've got. you have to have exceptional skills to do it well and i have learned an enormous amount and every time i get a page i just read it. i think i wouldn't have done that that way. i couldn't have done it with learning. >> that's wonderful like we are just about out of time here so for our last audience question, ask you to what was by far the most popular question and is to link to the again in the future you will be another president and james patterson?
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>> let's see how this one does. >> we will see how it does and see if we have another story that we are both interestedin telling . we didn't immediately go and write this second one, it took a little while before we decided to do another one so we will seewhat happens . where both open to it and we will see. >> we've got to wait and see how it ends. how it plays out. >> you have lots of fans eating their fingers crossed that you will thank you both. >> you've got to buy the damn book. >> that's right and on that note that's a perfect time for me to remind everyone if you'd like to get additional copies of the president's daughter you can find at your local barnes and noble or online at area mister president and mister patterson, you so much for letting me join you. this was so much fun and congratulations to you both on the publication of the president's daughter.
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>> thank you. >> thank you everyone. >> here's a look at books being published this week. american marxism tv and radio host mark levine argues that marxist ideology as entered american institutions and threatens the constitution. attorneys catherine forward julie fk explore the legal battle over abortion in controlling women. and in checkmate in berlin, dallas milton looks at the cold war tensions between america and the soviet union over berlin. also being published, doctor adam stern recounts his time participating in a psychiatry residency at harvard and committed. in the story of testosterone, the hormone that dominates and divides us harvard human evolutionary biology professor carol humann explores how testosterone has shaped human evolution and carry on his writing by the late democratic congressman john lewis of georgia.
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find these titles this week wherever books are sold and watch for many of these authors to appear in the near future on book tv . on a recent episode of the joe mobley show podcast, criminal profiler pat brown and her sunday discuss race and argued that black lives matter is ignoring the legacy of doctor martin luther king jr.. here's a portion of the program. >> i live in an area of maryland which is a majority black community they started sending me these emails saying in your community you could join this group and of course i was interested because when you want to be involved in something you'd like not to be an houraway if you could have five minutes away . so i said this is great, there's a walking group,
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there's all these cool groups and the groups remained african-american something or yoga is for black girls and i'm like, then there were just not just one or two, there were dozens of these and they were in my community so i decided i'm going to try and find out for them because they are, this is where i live so i sent over i want to join your group and they i sent my picture and they said you can't join because only for african-americans. but it was interesting because they immediately -- >> did theyknow you weren't from africa at the time ? >> they looked at my face and said your wife and not african-american . which is funny because if you look at her, she claims to be black and she is i'm going to guess one quarter. >> that was news to me. ihad no idea . >> she sent her picture in and she probably turned down to for not being black enough .
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i said this can be in our country. we can't have lack a bruise. life only either. these are part of them, you shouldn't have and i said this seems like discrimination to me a violation of the civil rights act of 1964. i want to join thesegroups and . she wrote back and said that's okay, will help you find what people groups . they actually said will help me find what people. i said jamie. so i said also, are you saying that i can have a white only group that's okay? he said yes. >> what could possibly go wrong. >> i said i have to test this to see if there's nothing that truly is accessible. so any white women yoga for people who don't understand me i like you. then to do but i personally can't stand. so i really want to actually have what is.
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what will you all home is getting tons of emails and messages through to meet up saying were going to tell me that your discriminatory. you're racist, you're a white supremacist, he sees things. no brown people may yoga was funny because i was happy the time, sorry to my indian friends were brown. i know they started you the whole thing was amazing. eventually will. on call center to talk about this and i said soccer, i'm letting everybody know. they're doing white only groups . and then after i did that show, i got a ton of emails in which said iq, we are so sick of this division.
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we're sick. we're sick of these black graduations and this is just going back in time and separating the races again. that was what started this concern of mine, but everything else we've been seeing since obama. this is not where it started when i encountered this but it's getting worse over the years and this is just my personal experience. dave and i got together and decided we should ring this to people's attention. and really we have to stop it . >> so dave, what does that look like? you get a phone call,you get the text for your mom and she says i have a crazy idea . walk us through howyou came on board with the book . >> my mother is still the proudest mother, she's also,
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whenever she gets upset about something she didn't let it go. >> it's interesting to live in a time where standing up for your own opinion or belief is stirring the pot. but you know how it is.>> like you said, standing up for your viewpoints. the reason i signed on was the last seven years of my life i've been pretty quiet, keeping my opinions to myself and you get to this point where you can't hold back anymore . you're so irritated because everybody has a voice on social media and you're trying to be nice and go along and not stir the pot but then if you don't stand up and saysomething , we're at this precipice in this country where it's absolute insanity and it feels like we're already taking that firststep so i think to myself you know what , i've
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been silent most of my life. it's time to stop being quiet and stand up and get my opinions out there and hopefully change some minds before things go insane. a lot of, i want other people to say we've got to speak up, i'm not scared. i'm not going to be shut down and you shouldn't be scared either and we have to have an attitude that regardless, you have to stand up for what you believe in some point in your life or you may as well lay down and died. >> to watch the rest of this visit to look for dave brown for the title of their book, black and white. >> weekends are an intellectual feast. every saturday you'll find events that explore our nation's past one american history tv and on sunday tv
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brings you the latest in nonfiction books and authors. it's television for serious readers. learn, discover, explore. weekends on c-span2. >> next on "after words", economist dan moyle offers an insider's view on how corporate boards operate. she's interviewed biblestreet journal reporter emily glaser . afterwards is a weekly interview program with relevant guests. interviewing nonfiction authors about their latest work . >> thank you for joining us. congratulations on your book, how boards work and how they can work better in a chaotic world. you were a number of hats. you are a board director and this is not your first book


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