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leading professional organization for journalists. 100 tenth president of the national press club jeff ballou, news editor of the americas. i'm substitute moderating at the request of lisa matthews, the 100 fourteenth president. thank you for joining us as we welcome journalists arnie barnes, senior correspondent for "the hill" and abc news political reporter jonathan allen back to the national press club. this time as headliners to discuss the third and latest book entitled "lucky: how joe biden barely won the presidency". they were last here in 2017 where i had the privilege of hosting the duo. jonathan allen and arnie barnes will have introductory remarks followed by a question and answer period. we are happy to accept questions from members and the general public.
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please email headliners@press.org. we will have as many questions as time permits. president biden and vice president kamala harris took the oath of office on january 20th, 2021, just days after supporters of his predecessor, donald trump, stormed the us capitol building where the swearing-in took place. and reported was tremendous behind-the-scenes details, was marked by chaos, battles, and donald trump's unprecedented presidency. and the the national press club podium is here for opening remarks.
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>> thank you. i think you can always keep the title mister president as long time member of the national press club. i am honored to be a guest of the press club. and also, a detailed look at the 2020 presidential election all the twists and turns. what is interesting for readers as much as the global tale of what happened in 2020 is getting behind the scenes of those moments you remember in the campaign. you remember the iowa caucuses in the iowa democratic party, no one has an answer who won the iowa caucus, the new hampshire primary, south carolina primary, super tuesday, moments from the
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general election, and the idea of what is going on behind the scenes at those moments. what are folks in the campaign thinking? oftentimes there are divisions in the campaign about what to do, not only to exceed that but what direction the campaign went in. the substantive dialogue on major issues and the personalities driving decision-making. this book, george h w bush's funeral in late 2018, all the way through january 6th when those terrorists stormed the capital. it is a story of joe biden having a plan that allowed him
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to take advantage of all the break that ended up going his way, talk to the more about this. the famous general manager of the brooklyn dodgers who assigned jackie robinson, luck is the residue of design, and jim clyburn says the harder i work the luckier i get, joe biden talks about luck a lot. a candidate who has run for the presidency twice before, thought about running for the presidency several times before, had never gotten more than one% in the iowa caucus, was doubted by hillary clinton, barack obama, john kerry, michael bloomberg, donald trump, much of the punditry, and was able to stick to a plan that was on -- the best
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candidate, into the broader general election. basically on compassion and competence. i will give it to jonathan allen momentarily, and how that informs what the political system looks like and what public policy looks like through the next two years in the next four years, you get a feel for how joe biden tries to position himself between the extremes, whether the extremes of donald trump in the past general election or the extremes of the republican party in congress right now in the extremes of his progressive base. >> john did a good job encapsulating. the only thing i would add is
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we are constantly questions about why lucky? john addressed a little of that so many people are focused on the popular vote and biden winning by 7 million votes and the reality is he came very close, very very close, 43,000 votes, it could have gone in another direction. joe biden, what he was able to do and show you what the campaign looks like inside and outside. everyone knows he was struggling in the beginning, we take you inside, what are they doing, get by and get through to the south carolina primary,
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how joe biden was feeling at the time, how the former vice president told her to hang on until the very end so they got to south carolina, all this is packed in the book and addressed the luck factor and how he was barely able to win the presidency. >> to follow on what arnie barnes said, 43,000 votes was the difference. for donald trump to win the electoral college he would win only 43,000 more votes spread across georgia, arizona and wisconsin. there is a bit of a false sense of security for democrats in looking at the 7 million popular vote total, even the electoral college margin which is deceptively large in that it would have taken two votes to flip those electors in those
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three states. the proof in the pudding, our sources in the biden campaign said they were nervous on election day. the campaign manager started thinking what if we lose as vote started rolling in. one of our sources said it is close, didn't know how close it was going to be. the people who deal with the numbers, and a razor thin margin in the states, shocked when fox called arizona, what people don't know so was the biden campaign. they didn't think arizona was something called in and it took four days for networks to call this election.
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there are election experts working on election desks looking at every vote coming in and an understanding of what votes haven't come in yet. they will make a decision as soon as it is evident who won the state and four days they were unable to make a call in the reason was it was so close. >> host: i want to start by taking it, to dig into a book like this and get these juicy details and so forth but take it out of the beltway. help our nonpolitical friends to understand why a book like this matters, what does lucky mean to help them understand how elections work or how
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governments work, what is at the core of why a book like this is important? >> political junkies love this book, the gossip of what is going on behind-the-scenes, washingtonians, anyone inside the way lived and breathed that kinds of things. and and and how they win races up ahead in 2022, what stacy abrams did, building an operation on the ground that would be an indelible part of the future, has a long way to go in terms of replicating
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that, it does provide a guide for word how democrats and republicans will never see another election like this but this is a referendum against donald trump and democrats never -- they had to rewrite the playbook, you can go inside, read what we are writing about and talk about how close it was and what democrats need to do in order to actually win and win big and a lot of people like to say this is a landslide and john and i think otherwise. was close as we talked about but this book gives you instruction as to what the future holds for both parties. >> i associate myself with my
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co-author, for the people watching, they get information from people as an agenda, political agenda. and a particular issue, the entire political approach, what we see in this book is how unique biden's approach was in the democratic constellation. he was not promising big reforms or a revolution. he was not a candidate who brought freshness in terms of being a person of color or a woman, but a scared old white guy. for the people at home and the
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people outside the beltway, you can understand -- doesn't have an agenda is what worked and what didn't, what worked this time or the following time but is a great snapshot of where we are and the fact that biden understood where the country was but a lot of democrats doing the opposite of trump, the opposite direction would be the best thing to do, emboldened the democratic brace to oppose everything he didn't oppose it as much as possible, talk about reforming the system and biden saw a country that wasn't interested, was interested in confident, compassionate leadership which was opposite of trump in a lot of ways but not diametrically opposed in a political agenda
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and that is something valuable. the other thing from an editorial standpoint there was a ton of gossip in this book but we cut out the stuff that doesn't matter. they involve personalities and clashes that don't have a lot of bearing on the outcome of politics in general. uc the way that barack obama perceives the election, the democratic party. and so his close friends subscribed to us, throughout the process, goes at one point, he likes elizabeth warren and
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eventually owned -- the vice president was upset that barack obama wasn't behind him in 2016 or 2020. and larger in the election itself. >> what was your favorite part of putting this together? >> the story we told supertuesday, the democratic whip, the south carolina congressman after he endorsed biden, the democratic party,
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the establishment does anyway. the congressional black caucus to watch supertuesday results from his office in the capital. in a room, lincoln room. to view that area as a study in the capital. there is a contrast on one side of the wall which is basically members of the cdc and their constituents are giving biden the push he needs to win the democratic nomination. the cdc is at the apex of political power on one side of the wall. on the other side's statuary hall where a statue of jefferson davis in 1931 sit during the height of jim crow,
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a beautiful moment, love black political power coalescing in this spot where jefferson davis was someone who should be honored in 1931. the cdc is 50 years old. that change in political power is powerful. what about you? >> i think you know the answer. we have a lot of anecdotes in this book but one was barack obama, a posh new york restaurant talking to a group of black donors asking him, they go back and are asking what he thinks of the race and who is up and who's down. he all but endorses elizabeth
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warren. a good portion of the program, this off the record chat about elizabeth warren, jabbing at mayor pete, pete buttigieg, saying he's short, he is having fun. doesn't mention any of the candidates, talking about elizabeth warren and at the same time, he forgets to mention joe biden. one of the donors, that is a key moment. one of my favorite insights, what he was thinking in the fall of 2019.
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>> i am back. i apologize, got to my signal and took me out of the mix. definitely happens. thank you for caring it all through. i want to talk about journalism. talk about what was left on the cutting room floor. we have an elephant in the room and some of our colleagues had mixed views about it and said it is too much inside the beltway. is that a fair criticism? >> the washington post said is a detailed account. i can't think of two words
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other than brisk and detailed, they work in opposition to each other. some people retire campaign books, they don't want to read the ins and outs, many democrats put fingers in their ears and stick her tongue out and make sounds so they don't have to understand how close their car got to getting clipped by the trump train. so i think when i hear that criticism i can understand the election is over, the election for two years, it was intense, feels like i don't -- what i say about the book is there's a ton of stuff in here you don't know, that we didn't know before. you sit back with the election
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over, interested to see how various players, the candidates who lose often do a bunch right and the candidate to win often do a bunch wrong. in this case i think biden did everything in his power to win the election and still needed some little bursts of good fortune. in the case of the pandemic, it is crass to talk about it this way, his own advisors told an associate covid was the best thing that ever happened to him on a political level and that is often the case. when running against an incumbent you need bad things to happen whether it is an economic downturn or some of that to defeat a sitting incumbent because of everything is going well people don't change horses. what do you think? >> we lost jeff again.
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i agree with you and details are needed for that reason. people need to know what happens, how it happens and i don't think we are putting details in, giving readers details, it helps also to encapsulate the story, give readers a chance to envision what was happening. this story day today, they know the outcome, but what we try to do in these books try to do is make you feel like you are there inside and you understand what happened and why decisions were made and they are important, the stores are important to tell, not just gossip books, in many ways play
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it forward, give readers a chance to listen to the future and see what they did right and what they did wrong. >> one of the strokes for biden in the primary was elizabeth warren in nevada. biden didn't need to win know that it. he said he would have to come in second behind bernie sanders and coming in second that will be enough to get into south carolina. when mike bloomberg is about to get into the race a lot of democrats had given up on biden at that point and elizabeth warren executes a takedown of michael bloomberg. can you talk a little bit about what was going on behind-the-scenes and why she chose to go after bloomberg
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like an executioner almost? >> she was thinking, one of my favorite parts of the book, because we take you inside her head, but in that moment she is saying i could have this discussion with tom perez and tell him how much i hate michael bloomberg and this was a bad idea and how bad for the democratic party or tell michael bloomberg myself so she prepared how to go after him and what we do in this book is take you behind-the-scenes into thinking and planning the debate is what she is thinking in her own head as she is completely knocking him out any this are rating them on stage and that is one of the lucky breaks we talked about for joe
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biden because he essentially takes out mike bloomberg at a time he was getting the endorsement joe biden wanted, getting fundraising, people were starting to buzz about him and elizabeth warren really helped and one of my favorite quotes of the book which we haven't really talked about is someone saying jim clyburn and elizabeth warren, a black man and white woman were the ones who helped joe biden win and only in america could the white guy walk away with the prize which i thought was very telling. >> i want to pick up on that and apologies to the audience, you are talking about different sort of breaks and i will come back to that in a bit, but talk
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about the fact that this paints a picture like a duck. smooth above the water and serious underneath the surface. we are not just talking about the fact you had nice debates for a master stroke of strategy by jim clyburn but a campaign that has succeeded in spite of itself. on both sides not just the biden campaign but the trump campaign can you unpack that a bit, the different warring camps that emerge and so forth that sort of has the campaign plodded along, how does that not absolutely collapse the campaign out right? >> the thing biden did right was sent a message and vision for his campaign early on but one of the troubles he had, he
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wasn't that good on the campaign trail particularly in the beginning. i went to see him in iowa, in south carolina, nevada. he was not electric, people were not showing up to seem, former vice president who is used to seeing crowds set up by the white house, the best advanced team in the world, got tickets to the right people and he shows up in a high school gym in iowa and looks like bingo night at the local church but not as well attended or exciting. part of it is there was so much competition for the open democratic nomination against trump, 25 candidates, biden gets in the race, 40% in national polls but drops back
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after that, 33% and even lower than that in national polling, having difficulty, not able to get the big endorsements, one of my favorite scenes in the book, he sits down without sharpton and just the two of them in a room and biden says you know me, you know who i am and what i am about, we had a great relationship with you. you are part sherpa, part black jacket for obama, i want you to do the same for me and biden is asking sharpton for his endorsement and sharpton knows that obama isn't going to endorse biden and says to biden if you run, mister vice president i will check in with obama which is like leave a message with my assistant. >> harsh moment of anything. >> a similar moment with stacy
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abrams where she handled the forthcoming request for an endorsement by saying when you sit down for lunch at his place i'm not going to make any endorsement of biden, hands off the conversation immediately. had difficulty getting the best staff, they wanted to go in other places, jen o'malley dillon wanted to manage the campaign and our last book shattered, she was the runner-up for the job on hillary clinton's campaign, something to take away from shattered is she's the best operative in the democratic party. she proved that in the general election by helping to elect joe biden but her instinct is not joe biden at first. it was beto o'rourke. you see this happen and biden doesn't have it in place to run an effective campaign. is not energetic. one of his best friends, john kerry is out campaigning for
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her mental the story in the book, john kerry is sitting at breakfast a couple days before the iowa caucus and is on the phone with somebody and i was sitting next to him and he's talking to this person about what it would take for him to get into the campaign. he is watching biden on the campaign trail thinking it is over for biden, bernie sanders is headed for the nomination and john kerry is thinking maybe i can get in and i would have to step off of the bank of america board. it would surely allow me to eat while i campaign. i wouldn't need that much money to live on, john kerry may have different standards but what you see is a democratic party that places joe biden at the beginning and the candidate who is resting on the campaign trail and by the end you see a process of elimination where biden is seen for a variety of reasons including the message
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we talked about is the candidate best position to take on trump. >> want to add anything to that? >> john encapsulated everything. >> when i think about the various chapters in this book a lot of things jump out at me. i don't want to spend my time looking backwards but you do talk about your remarks. what are the decisions that were made along this campaign that foreshadowed how the biden team is governing on the one hand and on the other end foreshadowing how the trump team in exile is reacting. to the present day. >> want to take that? >> great question.
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what you are seeing from him as president is a real desire to stay in touch with what he thinks is the mainstream of the american public on issues so you look at the covid relief bill, 76% public support, it's not hard to stand there politically and challenge the republicans who oppose it but he is at the same time distancing himself. in the campaign we saw members of his own campaign staff during the summer for racial justice, apologizing for the crime bill to make sure he had enough african-american support that he needed to use the words defund the police and biden went in the other direction writing an op-ed in usa today saying i do not support
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defunding the police, i support putting more cops on the street and my budget was at $300 million for police on the street over 10 years would use our candidate is very conscious of making sure he didn't appear to be and wasn't a captive of his progressive brace. now as president we are seeing progressives are upset about the way he is handling visas from some of the countries trump shutdown travel or the way he is handling family detention centers on the border or he didn't fight harder for the minimum wage increase, they are upset the scope of benefits from covid relief were scaled-back from where the original house version was, you are talking fewer people being eligible and lower unemployment benefits into the future of $300 instead of $400 so you are watching him do the same things in the presidency and he's very attentive to the idea that in order to govern you have to win and very concerned about
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getting into a position where he or other democrats can win in 2022, and 2024. >> it will be interesting to watch he campaigned on unity and this idea of unity and we are seeing the republican party not really wanting to give him anything. i am curious to see how that plays out, campaign promises breaking the fever of bringing the country together when the country is so divided and he can't garner one vote from republicans and how he is able to broker the field, how he can get susan collins or murkowski on board, what he can do to talk to house members and see what he can do there and the democratic party obviously has a lot of challenges, they can't
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count on themselves. he's going to need republicans to help him more and i'm curious if he can broker those deals and keep his promise as we talked about on the campaign. >> talk about the sense of unity and bring the country together and as it moves forward, the notion that you paint a picture of joe biden collectively had a tough time getting to a decision and has in one camp or the other camp, hard to push him to get to a decision. does that undermine that sense of not just importance for
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governance, decision-making when you are president but don't know if you want to pick up a couple other examples, an example two that undermines that -- a lot of people say biden is focused it on a mission and had a settled message but seems like he did there's a lot throughout this book. what is an example of that in the book and how is that affecting his governance style right now? >> one big detail, we talk about defund the police argument in the book and certain people on his campaign particularly in the general but weren't his people and trying to push him to the left and the people that have been around saying this isn't joe biden,
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this isn't true to who he is and we are seeing a lot, one thing that carries on from the campaign is lack of a flow chart in the biden orbit, so many people up top, so many cooks in the kitchen and it is hard to see who is doing what. one of the criticisms of the chief of staff the white house has received is he is almost calling the shots, republicans have pointed the finger at him and accusing the white house of relying too much on him and not enough on biden and some point out biden is very weak because of that. you will see that sort of shakeout, you will try i think it will be interesting to see if biden is able to remain true to himself, if he will be pushed to the left as he was during the campaign.
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as john mentioned progressives are so upset about certain issues but he's gone to the left on other issues but squeezed them in other ways. how he is able to keep debates and expand the idea of unity and getting to work with republicans at the same time. >> one of the advantages of being in politics is biden has an existing position on everything under the sun, sometimes the opposite of the free position but has an existing position, people go to change his mind and the degree to which he can be patient about it because anytime he changes his mind is a big deal. people point out this is different from what he said he would do or was before so there's a certain benefit, to change your mind to assess the
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politics of the moment, it could make him react. >> you both talk about folks around him but these warring camps you map out in exhausting detail carried out to the white house. the young turks over here, have they come together for the benefit of the country or is it sort of the sense of delicate balance that i presented earlier. >> six weeks in, there was a
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lot of tension we talk about in the book. tension between primary staff, old field and and new people who came in. a lot of people still in the white house working together. curious to see if that carries over, if they are able to mend fences, they still have this weird flowchart where people don't know who is calling the shots, savvy enough, they need to energize, what they have been doing for the most part, a lot of obama people and they dovetail and if they work together another thing to watch.
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>> >> a lot of talk in the first few weeks, before midterms come around. the sense of modified chaos you map out over the course of the book, is that going to undermine the ability to deliver, the american rescue plan does not pass, during the book, you talk about derek chauvin murdering george floyd, raises the specter of whether there is not going to be police reform and other legislative priorities, voter reform, multiple states with republican governors or legislatures
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trying or are enacting bills that are going to curb voting rights. what does biden have to deliver. for congress, to pursue the agenda. >> less is more. not having contentious controversial, through congress, to pay close attention to biden, find his longer speeches in history, his long career, not actually filibusters the defensive filibuster. he's going to be measured and careful how he approaches these folks. so far he is largely talking to
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his own people in his own people understand how fragile the proposition is. majorities at one% of the house is democratic, 15% of the senate, bernie sanders and angus king, there is no margin for error here. in our lifetimes has been built to make it hard to get things done, and to not be able to push through an ideological agenda, voted to give you supermajority. biden doesn't have that it is more aware of that than anybody else that is around but i do think democrats will give him a honeymoon period where they treat his presidency and their majorities with the appropriate care for the fragility with which they exist.
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>> host: is there anything president biden has to prove and the doubters listed out which include his former boss president obama, what is something he really feels he needs to prove that is borne out by reporting in this? >> we've seen a little bit of a shift and on the campaign trail before the end, the president has become more scripted, isn't as gas prone, a major concern during the campaign, and changing his schedule and tweaking it a little bit so
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that he wasn't doing evening events, making the biggest mistake it was a little more gas prone. we talk about this in the book, another lucky break, a lot of people on the inside said he was able to stay home and get off the campaign trail, he wasn't there to have his missteps make blunders and was helpful to him. it kept them on a pretty tight leash, you don't see him cracking jokes, like this moment, as a reporter, very disciplined, his dogs were barking and old joe biden, cracking jokes about his dogs
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barking in the background, the new joe biden wouldn't say a word but you can see him thinking what he might have said. >> do you want to add anything? >> arnie barnes nailed it perfectly. >> host: one thing that struck me as influences we talked about on and off during the conversation, the biden presidency, this week, want to go back to the derek chauvin trial talking about diversity and the strength of the ticket, his team for all of the pronouncements, his inner
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circle isn't very diverse. will that work for or against, sitting beside the vice president but when he talks about ron and others but people living around him, not very diverse. is that going to affect the decisions on issues that are going to affect what is in the headlines and able to deliver. >> the short answer is yes. if you are trying to figure out how to govern a country as diverse as the united states and the main people in from your decisions and information, that set of experiences in life and have small scope of friends and family, more difficult to
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make sure you are addressing various needs in the country but i think biden is someone who cares about addressing the needs of people in his own coalition and people alongside it. something he talks about or shown during his career and there's this sort of nagging question about who is closest to him and you see in the book this tension where he's told you needs to hire people of color and younger people to be around you and informed decision-making early on in the campaign and go through how he courts simon sanders, bernie sanders's spokesperson in 2015, she eventually comes on board and talking to kamala harris about a similar role but immediately there is feeling among the advisors who are hired on the campaign, who made the included with the discussions but they are not
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particularly influential, for them to have any kind of influence so that will be a tension for him. i think he feels he has enough people to be close to who are not necessarily the ones in the white house, he picks up the phone and call jim clyburn, they are close, the former congress from from new orleans is working the white house so he has more respect for people who have been around the block, because of the obstacles and impediments for people of color to rise into that position over the course of our history, fewer of them available who have the years of experience in these roles the people around biden have but at the same time, he would be well advised,
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for those closest advisor to get some traction. something he appreciates and listens to elected officials. they understand the cross pressures of policy preferences rather than political survival. you can't govern if you can't win and that is biden's approach too. he will be calling people on the hill, it is not the same as having folks having office meetings every day. >> the anecdotes you map out, it does stand out going into the democratic convention, a dust up with governor cuomo. it is not pretty.
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what about that incident, speaks to how the biden team might react given his current problems? >> who is this evan a cuomo of whom you speak? i haven't heard any news about him. >> it is funny. to tell people a little more about the anecdote they asked andrew cuomo as they asked a lot of other democrats, they wanted him to do a speech highlighting biden and it was very in word and focused -- >> that is a nice way to put it. censoring is more like it.
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>> it is self centered, a lot about cuomo and what cuomo is doing and that angered a lot of biden people and convention folks and do it again, they wouldn't. it says everything you need to know about andrew cuomo. i don't know if you want -- >> left on the steps. >> they left the speech on the steps, lit it on fire, rang the bell and ran away, in my experience comparing that speech to a bag of crap. >> are you keeping quiet about predictions, in a nostradamus sort of way? back then you map out this little thing with cuomo and this little thing with clyburn in this little thing with whoever are you saying that came true or that came true or that is about to come true?
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are there a couple things that jump out at you? >> we were not surprised to find that andrew cuomo was considered in ahole by a lot of other democrats but could not have predicted that he had hidden the use nursing home deaths or -- in love with nobody more than himself but having issues with people who said he harassed them. we couldn't predict that but being told the story, there's a reason this stood out to the biden folks when they were working on the campaign and we knew andrew cuomo is a figure. and the issues.
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>> with the zoom gremlins about it -- >> we try to bring zoom with this book, want to be in the room where it happens. >> the zoom word happens. the nation should between president biden and former president obama, took a while to call him to congratulate him and going forward is there tension? that you have unpacked that we didn't know before, and abiding effect? it is a bigger question. >> absolutely.
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biden felt he was neglected by obama as vice president was obama was annoyed that biden got out there in 2012 on same-sex marriage before obama did. was not a particularly capable politician, he felt resentment toward obama and wrote about it in his own book after he supported clinton and made clear to biden that he should run. we talk about obama in this book talking to biden campaign aides early on saying not so much he was worried, he expected biden to lose but was worried he would bellyflop, fall flat on his belly and embarrass himself and tarnish obama's legacy and biden is aware of this because they talk to a lot of the same people and obama's hesitation that people
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in the obama world, are also not getting behind him, i would check in with obama to see what he would do and was not saying nice things about biden behind the scenes. the biden election, his nomination in his election as president and an implicit rebuke of obama, and between trump and obama, he is backtracking politically from where obama was and with biden winning, that will sting a little bit for obama.
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and and this is what the decision once, for 4 years of tough trump. >> before i ask our final question i want to thank our guests, jonathan allen and arnie barnes and thank our headliners team, larry russo, national press club president, and from the club staff, communications director lindsay underwould, the broadcast center, thank you for holding it together. steph executive director bill mckiernan, and lisa matthews back thursday, march 20 fifth at 1:00 pm. and efforts to protect the world's most vulnerable communities. you can find more details on our website, www. press.org.
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now, last time you were here you got mugged. >> sending mugs? >> you are good on this? so we will get to your mugs and the final question. the final question. i will make it two. is there going to be a fourth book? what is it going to be about? and is there one major prediction based on your reporting in this book that you want to mark down you think will come true? >> you will see a fourth book i think but we will -- we will talk about that another time.
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what do you think about predictions? >> i just want to say thank you to the national press club and all the sport staff who helped with this and to congratulate the national press club on the inauguration, the press club has -- i'm certain president matthews will continue that tradition. .. into the back seat to get joe biden elected and defeat trump and they did it fairly easily. wont to get rid of trump.
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different than 2016 when there was a schism in the democratic part that led to trump's election and that is less as anger at biden who all of them respect and like for having gotten rid of trump but you'll see it really -- [loss of audio] -- >> with that, thank you for the national press club virtual headliner series and i'll take my old gavel from 2017 and with that we are adjourned. thank you very much. >> thank you. booktv on c-span2, every weekend with the latest nonfiction books and authors. funding for booktv comes from these television companies who support c-span2 as a public
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service. >> the heritage foundation in washington, dc hosted a virtual event with author and historian george nash. he shared his thoughts on the state of conservism in america. >> from 2021 many american conserves in state of anxiety con sinced they're under siege as never before and they're losing. across the nation, the commanding heights of the federal bureaucracy, the news media, the entertainment industry, the high-tech corporations, and the educational system from preschool to graduate school, predominate bid people who seem increasingly hostile to conserve conservative beliefs enemy social media and yesoid politics
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and wokism appear to reign supreme and a left wing cancel culture operates with virtual impugnty. adding to the sense of conservative vulnerable is a recent trend accelerating. concerns what scholars call america's civil religion. for many years nearly all american conserves have believed that the american experience has been on the whole a success story, and that at the heart of this experience has been a commitment to individual liberty, limited government, and the political philosophy embodied in the constitution and the declaration of independence. today, for many americans, this story no longer appeals. instead, large numbers of young americans are being taught that
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the essence of the american experience has not been freedom but slavery. and that even now america is mired in systemic racism, which raises a troubling question. will the rising generation of young people, who have been taught to despise their political heritage, be reachable by conservative who defend it? is the american belief in american exceptionalism still persuasive? >> you can watch the rest of this program by visiting booktv.org. use the search box near the top of the page to look for george nash. >> next, on booktv, former priest and "boston globe" columnist james carroll examines the instrument tour of the catholic church and reflects on his own faith.
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then koch industry and ceo chairman charles koch and later jennifer armstrong profiles four women who are pioneers in the television industry. find more schedule information at booktv.org or consult your program guide. >> i'm so pleased to introduce today's speakers. james u jails daryle has been a priest, playwright, honorary degreesoff universities and win all of that he has had time to write 12 novels and eight works of nonfiction, including the cloister and constantine sword. he had an op-ed in the "boston globe" and in the nick, the atlantic and others. he is the recipient of the national book award pen award the scrips howard worried. he is joined by mike

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