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on book tv, on cspan2. >> welcome everyone. my name is valerie taylor i am in houston texas. i know we have people joining us from all over the country possible i am thrilled tonight to be here, to introduce a icon of our staff. we are so thrilled to ask night. i would like to introduce our guests author and his conversational partner senior space editor spacex, nasa, and everything beyond. as a former reporter on the and as we know we are so thrilled he's here tonight conversation with andrea, reporter for the houston chronicle and in space city
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here have a lot to talk about. i am going to turn this over too eric and andrew have a wonderful conversation. i will come on and help facilitate the question and answer. welcome air, welcome andrea thank you for coming tonight. >> thank you valerie. thanks. eric very exciting. i love how you started. right now the stomach happening in south texas we learned today, but it feels a little bit kind of like the cowboy days of the falcon one. i'm curious why you decided to write the book that way. book of similar as you see between what's happening now and what happened then? >> i kind of wanted to help readers understand why we should care about this particular spacex so much work
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into launching for years ago is kind of ancient history sort of. at the speed spacex moves. the reality is if they had not been successful the falcon one rocket in launch successfully they never would have gotten to continue the company would not exist today. and the other thing that is important to understand that the way space is today dna was established back in this really contemptuous. from 2002, 2008 when they started the company when elon musk was hiring the people who he thought would help them succeed in this quest to build a rocket from scratch. and so back that they invoke feeling this crazy starship that one day may take people to mars is all down to what happened then. it's interesting to choose
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another parallel they launch the falcon one from the middle of nowhere basically severe fly from l.a. to hawaii and then fly the same distance to again you find yourself with a toll. and i'm not saying south texas in the middle of nowhere. but they do have a lot of freedom to operate in south texas like they had where there's not that much oversight. they can kind of do what they need to do this be elon musk likes to move. in such a small company then. they talk about the handful people working all of these hours how can you afford the test they fail they fix how can they keep doing that? >> they have like their core business, right which is the
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falcon nine rocket. that's what they are launching humans on the third crew mission is coming up this spring. and so that rocket really cannot afford to fail. they've gone through their teething pains with that vehicle notes flown successfully about 70 consecutive times. they would have success with the dragon program. but starship napping people on that anytime soon. they're not even putting cargo there not trying to get orbit. they are just testing out the flight system and want to figure that out. to turn out vehicle after vehicle a relatively low cost and fly them and then they will learn from each mistake and move forward. when you talk to billy like the early days the exploring
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hands-on and building things whole career there during hands-on the way elon musk started as he hired a couple of senior vice presidents just out of school are still in graduate school. did not have families to go home too. we'd basically willing to kill themselves in terms of working hard for their company. if you go down to visit their hundreds instead of dozens of engineers facilities are much bigger the rockets are much bigger.
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i still just people in their 20s mostly engineers were there running around, scurrying around and they don't have, they don't wear 50 hats like the people in the falcon one days did. they're moving at no less than the speed. the push their forward as fast as they can go i love the level of details in your book. as in charge of a tropical island i'm a survivor van how many hours did it take to get these details and you have a favorite one? [laughter] 's >> that's hard to pick a favorite one.
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i spent a long time coming 20 hours of elon in different centuries and the other interview about two hours and go back with questions and clarifications sort of get feedback from them and go forward from there. just to make sure, someone would tell me a story i would crosscheck with someone else and say what you remember about this were you there? a lot of fun anecdotes. they're up to i will pull out. one is system early 2002 surely after the company form. must in some of the engineers were flying to some companies to try to find someone to build tanks contain these chilled propellants. and, they state in a holiday inn express when i've been asked mine they got up and they're down at the breakfast bar. i guess it was the first time elon had encountered pop tarts. because according to other people the company or in the
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breakfast room he liked looked at it, stared at it, was fascinated by it and then proceeded to toasters and instead of putting them in vertically so they would pop up with them and horizontally. and he had to stick his hand then pull them out. and burnt himself and said some not nice words and holiday inn express in wisconsin back in 2002. another story i really like, was when shotwell's president of the company now was hired on as vice president of sales in 2002. she was instrumental to the company success on many levels. but for flights for she was in scotland at a space conference. and she was coming after midnight there she was sitting in the bathroom watching it on a laptop. she had gone there to explain
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to customers of the third failure why the rocket had failed. this was a super uplifting moment serve as she's watching this alone screaming in the bathroom and a scottish hotel in edinburg. she told me that before we launch as she writes scotland down and puts it in her shoe so she is standing over scotland when they launch rockets for luck. i thought that was a nice touch. systemic that is a nice touch. big part that a bunch of 20 -year-olds who are working really hard the reason it was so successful i'm curious when you talked to elon musk he was going to expiring them, how he made them want to work so hard and how all of that ultimately their success to be able get a rocket together paid we talked elon musk does he see himself driving that hard?
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>> 20 does to people. he has an expectation people who come to work for him are going to work hard. they believe in whatever he is doing. the rare gift he gives them is the ability to make a difference. if you go to spacex, you could be someone who really does the first orbital you could land a rocket on a vote, right? you can build a spaceship that's going to go to mars. it is not like you are going there and waiting for a government contract to come through or he has a track record of getting success done.
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look, i gave 15 years of my life and it was a trade i was willing to make for the opportunity. and so, he realizes that. but he also expects it. i don't want to say he uses people up, but i mean he expects people to give their all. >> yes. i feel the attitude towards regulators. early on in the book you're talking the head of nasa but it wasn't fair. he went head-to-head with a couple other regulatory authorities. so how did that fearlessness i guess in the beginning help? can you talk about that some? >> even before they launch their first rocket, spacex had sued or keep going the biggest competitors in u.s. airspace industry. they had protested nasa, the
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government they'd sued the department of defense, this is someone who's breaking some eggs on the way to space. matt is just sort of happy x. if he feels that he has been wronged he will fight back. and it doesn't always suit him does not always help him because i mean he comes across as brash, unreliable he can anger potential customers. it makes for some people mcgovern makes him uncomfortable to work with. but, in the end he typically does deliver. really was his protest of nasa contract in 2004 that ultimately would save the company. this was a contract nasa had awarded to a company called kistler to begin to develop transportation system to bring cargo to the international space station. elon is thought that was not
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fair. he talked to glenn and said you shouldn't protest her most important customer, nasa for it a potential or most important customer said no this isn't right we got to do it. he ended at being a right because that protest basically forced nasa to withdraw the award, hold an open competition that way the commercial cargo the dragon spacecraft and then eventually led to a commercial crew. it was one of those contracts they got in 2008 that saved the company from bankruptcy, from ruin. if you take the good and the bad with ila he is a fighter and he will fight what he thanks is on the right has a right on his side he will fight you. >> i know i was doing a book like okay i even height launcher for successful this is the won this is the one and he had such terrible luck i forget the term was both the
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fuel on the rocket just crumbling. hearing the stories are thinking oh my god they cut like every rough card they could have her. >> i think they probably felt that way. it is interesting, i mean the book is ultimately framed around the fort launches of the falcon the three failures in the fourth one was a success. i think each of the failures are really interesting because they tell you something about the company, the people who work there and elon himself who made some mistakes after the first launching on barely blamed an engineer and a technician when in fact they'd left the vehicle explodes exposed in this tropical environment for too long. in retrospect is a pretty obvious mistake. kind of a rookie mistake you might say. and then the second vehicle they were aware of the
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potential problem with the second stage. but to fix it would've caused a long time. they were running up against performance limits they really needed to fly again. the third image is heartbreaking. because they had tested the while, the new while new or merlin while at had not seen this bit of thrust that came on right at the end of the burn. : : : >> because the involved and sort of what they went through to get that rocket into orbit is a heck of a technical story. >> yeah, no, they weave in all those stories really nightly. have you with read it in is it delicious? >> yeah, great. one of the characters in the
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book is from turkey, and so, you know, this group of people grew really close because they were living on quadrillion, this tiny island where the rocket was actually being assembled. he had this recipe of turkish goo lash, and one of the things i loved was i found out later on when he left the company in 2015, on the last day of the tier that -- calf tier that, spacex actually made that recipe. i said, dude, let me put that in the book, and he said, yeah, sure. of so you can make it at home. >> when you were going through the process of interviewing and writing this book, what was that like? this is your first book, right? >> yeah. >> what was it like, i mean, you've been a journalist forever, but taking that to a whole book, 300 something pages, what was that process like?
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>> honestly, it was a lot of fun, andrea, because i can say that the i wasn't even aware of spacex when they launched that final, that fourth flight of the falcon 9 rocket. people this houston will remember september of 2008 not for the falcon 9 or spacex, but for hurricane ike. and what i remember about that storm was, like, we saw it coming more than two weeks before it made landfall. and so, like, there were just days and days, and i was doing forecasting for the chronicle at the time, like, tracking that storm every day, you know, all day. and then it made landfall in mid september, and it sort of had this devastating storm surge, and they're, like -- i was done. i was exhausted, and so, you know, it wore me out. so, like, september of 2008 is a complete blur. so writing a book was a lot of fun because i knew a lot about
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spacex from about 2010 to present day, but i knew almost nothing about 2002-2008. so for me, it was the really kind of an exploration to go back and find that out just like a reader would. so things that were new and interesting to me i figured would be new and interesting to other people. and then, you know, a lot of people who were familiar with the story, but i was able to talk to people who really have never talked like this before. and sort of get their stories. so there's just lots of, you know, detail thed stuff that has never been told before. i don't think it's been reported that an intern for spacex brought a gun to the army base. so, yeah. >> and you talk about how eager they were to sell those stories and the early years in particular and i why you think that was. >> well, i think, first of all, the engineers and the technicians who pulled this off are incredibly proud of their
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achievement because it really was against all odds to deal with that the little amount of money, with the brand new technology and then to sort of be uprooted from where you thought you would launch this california to the central pacific and dealing with all the logistical challenges of that. so, first of all, i think they felt it was -- they were proud of it, and they felt it was time to tell the story. and then elon are, when i had approached him in early 2019 basically said, okay, i think it is time to tell the story, and he's, like, so he basically sent a green light to people that it was his okay to talk now. >> nice. and, you know, i have to ask, you know, from ap style, how does he feel about using the oxford comma? did it kill you when you had to put that comma in front of the and, or did you ease right into it? >> in 2015 they were huge proponents of the oxford comma.
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so having not used it for 15 years, i had that beaten into my head. so i was okay with that. you know what was weird, when i got the book because we went to an expensive copier, when i got it back, like, 50 was f-i-f-t-y instead of 5-0. i was, like, this isn't how it's done. i don't know, i learned that. [laughter] >> so, you know, i guess is there anything else you want to tell the readers, those who are buying this book all that went into it or everything that you hope they get out of it? >> i would just say it's a hell of a story. like, it's the, like, everything was on the line for elon musk and for spacex and basically, you know, they really had a profound impact on the space industry. that launch hadn't taken place, and it was really touch and go. there was an eight week period
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between the third and fourth flights where it was a crisis every day, and they just really pulled together to make something special happen. and it's, it was super fun to tell that story. >> these are great, great stories. we have some questions. and i'm just going to ask you, eric, one of the ones that i think is hilarious and it's had a lot of life is that because you had some behind the scenes access, what's the funniest thing you've seen in someone's lab or on their desk? >> so -- [laughter] chief propulsion engineer and one of the attendants was kevin miller in spacex. and they -- around about 2011 elon started talking about building this falcon haugh
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rocket which was -- heavy rocket which was taking three falcon 9s and sticking them together so you had 27 engines. and kevin miller on his desk, sometime back in, i don't know, 2012 or 2013 had taken one of the early schematics drawings of that and written on there retire before this happens. [laughter] this was an engineering challenge. he didn't retire. i just thought that was funny. >> all right. a question from david, your favorite story that you had to cut out of the book. >> boy, you know, i put in a lot of stuff that i thought -- everything i really wanted to have in there about the falcon 1 was in there. i did cut some information about the falcon 9, the first couple launch. s of that because i really just wanted the book to be about the falcon 1. so in the last chapter i kind
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of -- tim who was a launch director for the falcon 1 and falcon 9 told me this funny story that resonated and kind of tells how much always looking, his eyes are never really on the the present, he's always looking to the future. there's an anecdote about the fact that during the first launch of the falcon 1, he gets very aggressive. this was 20 minutes before liftoff, asking him about ordering aluminum for the falcon 5 which never ultimately got built. it just was, like, he'd never launched a rocket before, and this was crunch time. and here he was sort of aggressively, and so on the night before the first falcon 1 -- falcon 9 launch in 2010, he and buzz had gone out to the launch pad because there was this issue with a storm, the rocket had been damaged and needed to be fixed before this first launch attempt. they were driving back, tim
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said, to the hotel about four in the morning. and elon was just, his mind was on the future. like, he wanted to talk about landing the falcon 9. he wanted to talk about, you know, reusing them. it was just, like, you know, for them at the time this huge rocket, the falcon 9, you know, like, he was always just looking far beyond the next day to five or ten years down the future. really interesting insight into his psyche. >> so we have a question about where your love of space and love of rockets came from. and i know your parents are on this call because they said they were very proud of you. [laugher] >> thanks, mom and dad.
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i was very young, 5 or 6, i don't know if it was a project in class, wrote to nasa. i wrote that i'm interested in space and want to know more, and they sent me back this envelope with these pictures of, like, taken by the voyagers of the planets and the solar system. and they were beautiful, like, 8x10 photos with some press release information about each of the planets that the voyager had discovered, and that was just, like, so cool and so eye-opening. so so i think it speaks really to the power of nasa to really draw in people and, like, it worked for me. i sort of had an interest in astronomy and space ever since. >> phil wants to know if you have -- [inaudible] spacex differs from other private companies, mentioned
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blue origin, and we've had a lot of people want to know your answer to that. >> so the cultures of those two companies, well, the culture of spacex and those two companies is vastly different, and it is because it's drawn from musk. he sets the tone the with his extremely demanding workplace, and, you know, the phrase i use in the book is he wants to make the impossible possible. and he, is so he asks great this of his people but then gives them the freedom to go out and do that. and he moves really fast. that is in direct contrast to a lot of the companies including blue origin. blue origin hired a ceo with about three years ago, a guy named bob smith, and he was from honeywell aerospace. jeff bezos hired him to come in as the company moved from this hobby shop development company to an actual operational company flying missions in space and
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winning nasa contracts and working with the department of defense. and smith has made blue origin a lot more like a traditional aerospace company, much more closer to a boeing or a sierra nevada or a lockheed martin than to a space item, and. space, and. it's interesting, parallels in history, in 2006 elon musk hired his first ceo, a guy named jim nazer from sea launch company, a company partly owned by boeing. and he was very much a traditional ceos, sort of coming in as the type of adult in the room that you go from a start-up to a bigger company. and he lasted nine months because he didn't fit in with the culture, you know? people on the floor were wearing shorts and t-shirts and flip-flops which elon doesn't care about. he's, like, get your job done. and as i say, he and elon clashed.
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he was gone pretty quickly. >> all right. this is from bruce. our world is divided today, yet space and space travel and stories inspire us. why is that? >> well, i think, i think the one thing the about space flight is it is, it can be a very unifying experience. at the outset it was clearly a cold war type thing. it was the soviets and the united states, and we were both trying to show the supremacy of our various forms of government. but since the 1990s, earlier, 1980s, we've worked with the soviets and the russians in space. and so it has been a unifying, you know, adventure. you know, over the last decade as our relationship with russia has grown worse, you know, we've -- nasa has gone right along trucking with the international space station and working with russia very
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closely. through most of the last decade, you know, obviously, americans got into space on russian vehicles. so i would agree that, you know, space could be a competition, but it also is a way to bring us together x. there's some hope that if we do ultimately end up doing a mission to mars, it would be a global endeavor, right? united states and your traditional partners but also russia and potentially even china. and that that would be a pretty nice if counterpoint to the divisions here on earth, that we could all come together to do something greater than humanity which is to set foot on another world. >> that leads us to the next question that michael asks, are u.s. astronauts more likely to return to the moon on nasa or spacex? >> it's a great question. and spacex is going to play a role in that architecture one way or another in getting humans
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back to the moon mid to late 2020s. my guess, ultimately, would be that they would launch. on a spacex rocket. nasa's been building this expensive vehicle called the space launch system which back when i was covering this seven or eight years ago, it was in competition with the falcon heavy. like, which rocket would launch first. and falcon launched in 2018, and we're still waiting for the sls rocket. it's very much an open question whether spaceship will reach orbit before sls, and i think star ship has a pretty good chance. and that rocket is bigger, much cheaper, reusable, all of the things the sls vehicle is not. so if starship is successful, i could see that becoming the baseline architecture for human landings on the moon. that's all to be determined.
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the biden administration is looking at this. there's not even a new nasa administrator in place, so we'll see. >> we have a question from croatia asking us technical -- [inaudible] who has final say in approval, the faa, ipr, un if oosa -- unoosa for colonizationing? >> okay. the question is, is if elon, spacex want to send people to mars, who gives permission for that. >> yes. >> and the fact of the matter is it would be the u.s. government. so the faa would probably launch, license the launch. the u.n. would probably not have much say at all in that. itar just governs the transfer of u.s. secrets and technology to other countries, so that
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really wouldn't play a role. the fact of the matter is licensing a human launch to mars going to be the a tricky endeavor, and it's not really for geopolitical reasons although that could be a factor. it would be more along the lines of is there life on mars currently underground that we don't know about -- small microbes, not talking about martians, right in but, likes or little life under the ground, or was there past life, and would sending humans there sort of interfere with whatever martian ecosystem there is? it's called planetary protection. and spacex, elon musk's attitude is he really doesn't care. like, you know, he -- if life is underground, he doesn't think that humans on the surface are going to disturb it, and even if he did, they're the just microbes, you know? and humans need to be settling out, they're going out in the
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cosmos and we're starting at mars, what's the problem. but there are people at nasa, and there are scientists and environmentalists who would raise very serious concerns about that. so i think, ultimately, if spacex does go to mars, they would go hand in hand with nasa which would then help them address some of those issues like planetary protection. >> we have a question from somebody i believe you know, candace dwight. [laughter] i think you both know this. god forbid this should happen, but how do you think spacex would respond to a disaster where there was loss of life for the astronauts? which -- and how would musk's tension with the faa play out? >> that would not been a issue so much with the faa, it would be an issue with nasa and with the u.s. congress which would be deep in the knickers of spacex if that happens. that would be a terrible tragedy. it's certainly something possible. there are no guarantees with
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human space flight whatsoever. there are some pretty good safety precautions with the falcon 9 rocket which has an excellent record in terms of gaping orbit. the newest -- gaining orbit. the newest version has never failed after about 70, 70 attempts. and unlike the space shuttle, it has a launch escape system. so so if something went wrong on the space shuttle, there was no way for the crew to safely get back to earth really. with dragon there is a launch escape system such that if something goes wrong with the rocket within a fraction of a second, it has very powerful thrusters that can push it away. so theoretically, the loss of crew probability is about 1 in 240 missions. so it's definitely not 0. but the space shuttle loss of crew was 2 in about 135. but that would be an extremely serious issue, and it would
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raise all sorts of questions about whether all the promises of commercial space really are coming true. so there's a lot of effort, obviously, being taken to protect against that for many reasons, that being one of them. >> a lot of questions here. i know people, we'll not be able to get all of them as the time goes on, and we don't want to take up too much of eric and andrea's time. so erin is asking what lessons, if any, should the larger aerospace industry take from spacex? >> to answer that, i want to bring andrea in too to get her thoughts on this. i had an interesting conversation with glenn shotwell last december about this, and we were talking about the fact that what they're doing down in south texas really is remarkable in terms of how fast they're moving. i mean, it is unprecedented to be building a rocket ship every two weeks, which is what they're doing down there and launching
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them frequently during this test program. and i said, you know, we think you're, you know, we -- what do you think the russian industry thinks about this? she just said, look, we're not trying to anybody up, but we think the -- show anybody up, but we think the space industry deserves better. it should happen faster. so they're trying to show a different and better way. so i think they're leading by example. and they have had a incredible forcing function on the industry over the last decade. i mean, it's not only in the u.s., but, you know, rocket groups in europe, china, japan are sort of scrambling to catch up in terms of cost and reusability as well. >> sorry, could you repeat the first part of the question again? >> the question is -- i'll just get back to it up here, but it's
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what, what can, you know, spacex teach the larger aerospace industry, the larger -- and not maybe just the rocket industry, but i'm talking with this question seemed to be income a passing the larger --en compassing the larger space. >> i think reusability has been key. that's really what's brought down cost. and, you know, as we talk more and more about debris in the space, you know, being able to reuse something instead of just leave it up there, it's something that's been focused on. so i think reusability is one aspect that spacex has definitely pushed for an ais general da, and that's being -- agenda, and that's being pushed pretty broadly. also there have been this year multiple announcements of human space flight missions that don't involve nasa, but every one of them are on a spacex rocket or capsule or, you know, the starship and whenever that does launch people. so i also think it's, obviously,
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it's still not really affordable to most of us unless you get one of those lucky tickets, but i also think that they're kind of pushing the boundary into bringing more people into space. we haven't seen that since some tourists went up on the soyuz a long, long time ago. seven people, i think maybe eight missions, seven people, something like that, so i also think spacex is driving this agenda forward, but it's going to be a while before driving down the cost. but definitely reusability and getting humans up there on ad broader level. >> yeah, andrea raises a great point that for a lot of these activities, you know, things like tourists in orbit, space hotels, doing interesting things with private space stations, none of that could happen until you had a lower cost, reliable way to get people up there. and $50 million a seat or whatever spacex is charging to
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commercial customers is not cheap, but the fact of the matter is with the space shuttle the opportunity wasn't there. with the soyuz you could get one tourist up at a time. in dragon you can fly four people autonomously up, and it can stay up there for three or four months if you go somewhere to a space station. and this is opening up opportunities that didn't exist. and i, frankly, have been surprised by the already the number of commercial tourism, commercial missions that have been announced. it suggests to me that there are more, more on the way, and it will be -- again, that's all down to sort of having this lower cost system put in place. >> okay. i'm going to ask one more question, if there's just so many that i don't know which to choose from. but so i think i will go back up to this -- i don't think we got this.
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okay. that's right -- i know we haven't asked this. i without spacex, do you think that we would have these other private launch companies active in the pipeline? because spacex launched this in the early 2000s. >> so, yeah. one of the many beneficial things that spacex has done for the industry is they have shown other, they've shown investors that there's money to be made in space. and so it makes it a lot easier if you're a start-up company and you can sort of say, hey, we're the next spacex because of x, y, z, right in we have a similar growth plan, this is our vision. they revolutionize access to space, we're going to revolutionize, you know, whatever. so if you look, like, since about 2010, so after the first falcon 1 success, the first falcon 9 success, the amount of funding going into private equity for space companies has gone up a lot.
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and spacex has shown in terms of just launch companies, they've shown that you can be successful with a commercial vehicle. and so rocket lab has followed, and there are literally dozens of other companies that are trying to do the same thing, many of which will fail, but some of which will succeed sort of on the backs of spacex. >> these have been fabulous questions. i really appreciate everyone joining us tonight. andrea, erin, kathy is in the background, our event coordinator. she's not too far from where i was in 1969 when the first man landed on the moon. just amazing what's happened. and, eric, you have brought it to life for us. and really also what you've done, and i'm hoping everybody will appreciate this, is like you said, some of these things were happening when other major things were happening -- [laughter] and maybe we didn't pay as close of anticipation, but now you're
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bringing it back and telling us the history of it and helping us kind of form a base for how we go forward in our reading. andrea, we really appreciate all the reporting that you do for the chronicle and reporting on the space industry. it does mean so much to us here in the greater houston area. eric is going to be back, people, and when he does, we're going to -- [inaudible] [laughter] oh, my gosh, this has been such a thrill tonight to meet both of you and talk with both of you. as i said at the beginning, eric is a -- [inaudible] for his weather. we can't live without him, and i'm just so to thrilled that both of you are here tonight. and and i thank you for taking the time to talk to all the people that joined us, and thank you for all the questions.
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hopefully, you'll be able to contact them on social media and ask your question. yes, it says thank you, eric, you're a rock star. i believe it. thank you so much. we appreciate it from blue willow book shop, houston, texas. ♪ muck. >> booktv on c-span2, every weekend with the latest nonfiction books and no, author. television companies who support c-span2 as a public service. ♪ ♪ >> c-span is c-span's new online store. go there today to order a copy of the congressional directory, a compact, spiral-bound book with contact information for every member of congress including bios and committee assignments. also contact information for state governors and the biden administration cabinet. order your copy at c-span every c-span shop purchase helps
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