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issues on race and identity as an asian american in america author interview program "after words" the "washington post" joby work or ports on the effort to destroy chemical weapons in syria during its civil war. it all starts now you can find more schedule information about tv.org or consult your program guide. and now jonathan allen and amy parks. >> >> good afternoon and welcome to the national press club the world's leading organization for journalists. the 110th president of the national press club in news as it is for the americas without. substitute muttering at the request of lisa matthews the club's 114th president. thank you for joining us today
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jonathan allen, the national press club this headline is to discuss their third and latest book entitled lucky, how joe biden fairly won the presidency. the last year in 2017 were have the toasting their book shouted when i was present amy and john will have some introductory remarks followed by question and answer. we are happy to accept questions today, by club members and the general public to submit a question for john allen and amy burns please e-mail us at e-mail address is headliner's at press.org. we will ask as many questions as time permits. >> u.s. president joe biden vice president kamala harris 2021 just days after just days after the predecessor president donald trump form
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the very u.s. capitol building whether swearing into place. the campaign and postelection. leaning to the inauguration as reported with tremendous behind-the-scenes details by barnes and allen was marked by chaos, turf battles and fortune against the backdrop of a global pandemic, racial justice protests in donald trump's unprecedented presidency. amy and john, the virtual national press club podium is yours for opening remarks. >> will thank you, mr. president. >> [laughter] i think you can always keep the title mr. president as a longtime member of the national press club. i am honored to be a guest of the press club. to be with you obviously with my partner now this book as
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you suggested is a detailed book of the 2020 presidential election, all of the twists and turns. what totally interesting for readers, as much is this sort of global detail of what happened in 2020 is getting behind the scenes of those moments that you remember in the campaign. you remember the iowa caucuses. you remember the iowa democratic app failing and no one had the answers to who won the iowa caucuses pretty member the primary super tuesday all sorts of moments it's giving you an idea of what's going on behind the scenes a lot of folks inside the campaign thinking question macau are they responding. there are divisions within the campaign the public never really sees that. : : :
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>> and it winds all the way through january 6 when the terrorist stormed the capital. it is a story of joe biden having a plan to take advantage of a lot of breaks that ended up going his way. but branch rickey the famous general manager of the brooklyn dodgers who signed jackie robinson to the first major-league contract for an african-american player said
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that luck is the residue of design. and jim clyburn who we quote in the book says the harder i work the luckier i get. joe biden talks about luck a lot. what we saw the campaign was a candidate to win for the presidency twice before. he thought about running several times before never got more than 1 percent and an iowa caucus and was doubted by hillary clinton barack obama john kerry, michael bloomberg, donald trump certainly, much of the punditry and who could basically stick to a plan on the best candidate to defeat trump that was his message in the primary and then brought into the broader general election of basically being anti- trump on character and compassion and competence. so now i will hand it off here but for people interested in what really happened and how
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that informs what our political system looks like in public policy looks like over the next two or four years, you get a good feel how joe biden tries to position himself through the extremes to the extremes of donald trump through the past election and the republican party of congress right now and the extremes of his progressive base. >> john did a good job to encapsulate everything i would say we are constantly questioned about the wire lucky semi people are folk it focused right now on the popular vote of biden winning by seven minute on - - 7 million votes but it came very close became very very close to could've gone in another direction we take you
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through how joe biden could have a lucky break what he was able to do and basically show you what the campaign look like inside and outside. everybody knows he was struggling in the beginning how bad was it? what were they doing to get by and get through the south carolina primary and how joe biden was doing and joe biden at the time. how the former vice president had to tell her to hang on until the very and until they got to south carolina. and then we hope we address the luck factor in why we said they could barely win the
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presidency. >> just to follow up, 43000 votes was the difference. in order for trump to win the electoral college he only needed 43000 more votes spread across georgia and arizona and wisconsin. so there is a bit of a false sense of security for democrats looking at that 7 million popular vote total. even the electoral college. that is deceptively large that it would have taken so few votes to flip those electors in those three states. the proof is in the pudding that sources inside the biting campaign said they were nervous on election night the campaign manager started to think oh my god what if we start to lose as the votes rolled in? one source said i knew it would be close. i did know how laughing close it would be.
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the people who really deal with the numbers and and the votes they think this will be decided by a away thin margin in the states they were shocked when fox called arizona for the democrats for biden but people don't know that so was the biting campaign. data think the arizona could be called yet and of course it took four days for the networks to call the election. people don't know there are election experts working at the desk looking at every vote and have an understanding of what vote has not come in yet. they will make a decision once it is evidenced but yet still, four days afterwards well into the fourth day afterwards they cannot make the call because it was so close.
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>> i to take it with the political heads and want to take it out of the beltway help the nonpolitical friends why a book like this matters. what does lucky mean to help them understand how elections work or how governance works? what is really at the core why a book like this is important? >> political junkies love this book because we get into the nitty-gritty of what was going on behind the scenes. washingtonians love that anyone inside the beltway that lives and breathes.
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but it is an important story to be told because it's not just postmortem but at what democrats can do better specifically and win races up ahead in 2022 and 2024 and what stacy abrams did how she can build an operation on the ground to take that intel of all part of the future places like florida another swing states to replicate the model but it does give a guide forward i don't think we will see another election like this but this is a referendum against donald trump but then they had to rewrite the playbook. so what you can learn from
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this is go inside and read what we are writing about and talk about how close it was and what democrats need to do to actually win and win big. a lot of people like to say it is a landslide and we think otherwise. we think it is really close but this book gives instruction for what the future holds for both parties. >> i associate myself with my co-author all the time. [laughter] but if i could add something, for the people watching from outside the political process, they get their information from people with political agendas. weather that is the president of the united states, senators, house members, local political officials, they are talking
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points. maybe it's a particular issue or a political approach. what you do see is how unique biden's approach was within the democratic constellation. he was not promising big reforms or a revolution or a candidate being a person of color or a woman. standard issue white guy for a lot of ways. for the people at home and outside the beltway, we can understand from someone who doesn't have an agenda is what worked and what didn't that doesn't mean what works this
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time will work the next time but it is a great snapshot of where we are in the fact that biden actually understood where the country was. democrats wanted to believe essentially doing the opposite of trump is the best thing to do and then to embolden that democratic base and oppose it is much as possible. what biden saw was a country that was not interested in a democratic version of trump. or a confident and competent passionate leadership which is opposite of trump in a lot of ways but not diametrically opposed with a political agenda. that's valuable for people outside the beltway. from an editorial decision-making standpoint, yes there's a lot of gossip in the book but we
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cut off the stuff that doesn't matter. there's plenty of good stories on the cutting room floor because they involve personalities or clashes that don't have bearing on the outcome of politics generally so we include the stuff that made a difference. you can see the way barack obama is perceiving the election with course in the democratic party. interestingly flawed missions of barack obama like some other democrats is one close friend described us flirting with the candidates throughout the process. and then eventually he gets to his own vice president that barack obama was behind them in 2016 or 2020. we use the stories to point to larger truths within our politics.
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amy do you want to pick up? i think we froze. >> maybe we should talk about her favorite anecdote in the book. what was your favorite part of putting it together? >> super tuesday and jim clyburn the democratic whip after he is already endorsed biden and he won the south carolina they start to coalesce behind right and and he says to watch the super tuesday results from his office in the capital call the lincoln room he used to use that area as a study in the capital. so there is a fascinating
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contrast. on one side of the wall with the congressional about one - - black caucus the constituents are giving biden the put she needs to win the democratic nomination. the cdc is at the apex of political power on one side of the wall in the lincoln room just on the other side is statuary hall. statue of jefferson davis donated by mississippi in 1931 cents at the height of jim crow. it is a beautiful moment of black political power coalescing in this very spot where jefferson davis was thought to be honored in 1931
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and cbc is only 50 years old to see that change of political power is powerful. what about you amy? >> i thank you know the answer. but i think my favorite we have a lot of great anecdotes in the book was barack obama is in a posh new york restaurant talking to a group of black donors and essentially they are friends and go way back and ask him what he thinks about the race. who was up and who is down and he all but endorses elizabeth warren. i will not endorse or this is not an endorsement but he speaks for a good portion of the program this little off the record chat about elizabeth warren and at the same time he's jabbing at mayor pete. calling him gay and short he is ripping him of course but
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he is having fun. then he doesn't mention any of the other candidates but he is talking a lot about elizabeth warren at the same time the best part is he forgets to mention joe biden. one of the donors said you forgot about biden so that's a key moment of what he was thinking in the fall of 2019. jeff is back. >> i apologize the gremlins got to my signal. it happens. i to talk about the
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journalism. john you talked about the cutting room floor, we have to put the elephant in the room and some of our colleagues have had mixed reviews about it to say there is too much detail and too much inside the beltway. is that a fair criticism of the book? >> the "washington post" did a review and said brisk and detailed i cannot think i would have two words i would prefer than brisk and detailed because sometimes they work in opposition. some people are tired of campaign books. they don't want to read the in's and out. especially democrats right now want to put the fingers in their ears and spit out their tongue and make sounds a little understand just how close they were almost clipped by the trump train.
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[laughter] and so i think when i hear that criticism i can understand why some people say the election is over for two years it was intense and it feels like china want to relive it but with the book that there is a tennis stuff in here you did not know before. we did not know before. but if you sit back with the election over nothing at stake you will be interested to see how the various players played the game what went right and wrong. but in this case i think biden did everything in his power to
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win the election and still needed a burst of good fortune and in the case of the pandemic, as much as it is crass to talk about it this way his own advisors told an associate that covid was the best thing that ever happened to him on a political level. you're running against the incumbent you need bad things to happen whether an economic downturn so you need that to diffuse that incumbent because of everything is going well people don't change horses. >> i think we lost jeff again. [laughter] i agree with you. i think details are needed in these books for that very reason that people need to know what happened. they need to know how it happened. i don't think we are putting the details and just to give readers details i think it also helps encapsulate the
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story and gives readers a chance to envision what was happening people live the story day today they know what happened. they know the outcome. but what we try to do in these books try to put you in the room and make you feel like you were there inside and why decisions were made in these are important to tell not just gossip books. as we mentioned before, in many ways they pay it forward to give readers a chance to see what they did right and what they did wrong. >> a struck one - - a stroke of luck for the biden primary was elizabeth warren in nevada. biden didn't need to win nevada he said he could come in second because sanders was
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running so far ahead. so coming in second is enough to get me into south carolina. at the time bloomberg is about to get into the race a lot of democrats have given up on biden at that point and elizabeth warren executes a hockey goon takedown of mike bloomberg. can you talk about what was going on behind the scenes in her mind and why she chose to go after bloomberg? like an executioner almost? >> essentially she was thinking come it's also my favorite parts of the birth one - - in the book because we take you in her head she essentially says i could have this discussion and tell him how much i hate michael bloomberg and for the
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democratic party or i can tell him myself. so she prepares how to essentially go after him and what we do in this book is take you behind the scenes into her thinking and the planning of the debate and what she is thinking in her own head as she completely knocks them out and eviscerating him on stage. that's one of the lucky breaks i think we talk about for joe biden. because essentially she takes out mike bloomberg at a time he was gaining passion and getting the endorsements that biden wanted and people were really starting to buzz about him and elizabeth warren helped. one of my favorite quotes of the book basically saying how jim clyburn and elizabeth
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warren, a black man and white woman were the ones who helped joe biden when. only in america cut a white guy walk away with a price which i thought was very telling. >> i went to pick up on that. apologies for the gremlins. talk about the different breaks whether warren or cliburn but i also want to talk about the fact that the book paints a picture like a duck it is smooth above the water and furious under the surface. were not just talking about the fact you had nice debate breaks or a masterstroke a strategy but a campaign that succeeds in spite of itself on
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both sides not just the biden campaign but the trump campaign. can you unpack that and with the warren camp that emerges as the campaign plots along how does that not collapse the campaign out right? >> what biden did right was said a mission and vision for his campaign early on. one of the troubles he had he wasn't that good on the campaign trail particularly in the beginning. i went to see him in iowa and south carolina and nevada. he was not electric. people were not showing up to see him here's a former vice president used to going to
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crowd set up by the white house the best advance team in the world and got tickets to the right people and he shows up in a school gym in iowa and looks like being go night at the local church not as well attended or exciting. part of it is that. there was so much competition for the open democratic nomination so biden gets in the race briefly at 40 percent in national polls but draws back after that to about 33 percent and even lower than that with national polling he cannot get the big endorsements he wants. my favorite scene early in the book i guess january 2019 sitting down without sharpton and just the two of them in the room and biden says you know me. you know who i am what i'm about the obama biden administration had a great relationship with you you had
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the flak jacket for obama do the same thing for me and biden is asking for his endorsement sharpton knows obama will not endorse biden and he says if you run mr. vice president i was surely check in with obama. [laughter] and a similar moment was stacy abrams early on. she handle the forthcoming request for the endorsement to immediately saying to him i will not make any endorsement of biden just had off the conversation immediately. most of the democratic staffers wanted him other places. the general election campaign manager went to manage another campaign she is familiar she
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worked on hillary clinton campaign and what you take away from that that was the best offer of the democratic party she proved that and the general election by helping to elect joe biden. but her instinct was not joe biden at first. hers was beto o'rourke. biden doesn't have a team in place. he's not energetic his best friend john kerry campaigns for him carry is sitting at breakfast a couple of days before the iowa caucus and on the farmer somebody i was sitting next him in the restaurant and he's talking to this person about what it would take for him to get into the campaign. he's watching biden on the campaign trail saying it's over bernie sanders is headed towards the nomination and carry is thinking maybe i could get in.
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i have to step off the bank of america board. i play $59 in the bank i could eat while i campaign. i wouldn't need that much money to live on but john kerry has different standards. that you can see the democratic party trying to replace joe biden at the beginning and at best he is resting on the campaign trail and then you see the process of elimination where biden for a variety of reasons is the best position to take on trump. >> i think he explained it everything. >> when i think of the various
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chapters in this book, a lot of things jump out at me. i don't want to spend too much time looking backwards but looking forward but you do talk in your remarks what are the decisions made along the campaign that foreshadowed how the biden team is governing in one hand or how the trump team in exile is reacting in the present day? >> it's a great question. what you saw from biden in this book and as president is a real desire to stay in touch with what he thinks is the mainstream of the american public look at the covid relief bill 76 percent public support. it's not hard for him to stand
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there politically to challenge the republicans who oppose him but at the same time in the campaign we saw members of his own staff during the summer protest for racial justice apologize for the bill to make sure he had never african-american support he needed to use the words defined the police. but biden wrote the op-ed and said i do not support defunding of police. in fact i support putting more cops on the street and my budget would add $300 million for police on the street over ten years. he was very conscious not to be accountable to the progressive base now progressives are upset the way trump shut down travel from
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the family detention centers on the border and that he didn't fight harder for the minimum wage increase and upset with the scope of benefits from covid relief were scaled-back from the original house version. so fewer people being eligible for the checks and lower unemployment benefits out into the future. he is very attentive to the idea that in order to govern you have to win and to be very concerned about getting himself into position for they cannot win in 2022 and 2024. >> what will be interesting to watch is he campaigned on unity. we see the republican party not wanting to give him anything.
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i'm curious to see how that plays out and to break the fever to bring the country together when it is so divided and you can even garner one felt from republicans how he could get us suzanne collins or murkowski on board or what he can do to talk to house members to see what he can do there. the democratic party obviously has a lot of challenges up ahead. they cannot even count on themselves to come together. so he will need republicans to help him. i'm curious if he can actually broker those deals and keep his promise as he talked about in the campaign. >> you talk about the sense of
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unity and when i do this all over the nation and bring the country together. the notion that you paint a picture of a joe biden collectively and has a tough time getting to a decision and in one camp or the other camp it's hard to push them to get to a decision. does that undermine that sense not just importance for governing i know if you want to pick out a couple of other examples from the book where people say he is focused. he's on a mission. he has a message this time but it seem like he didn't. a lot.
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[laughter] what is an example of that in the book and how is that affecting his governance style right now? >> we talk about to defined the police argument in the book and how certain people in his campaign and the general and they were trying to push them to the left. the people that have been around him say this isn't joe biden or true to who he is. so one thing that carries on from the campaign there is a flow chart in the biden orbit there are so many people up top. so many cooks in the kitchen and it's hard to see who was doing what. right now the criticisms from the chief of staff is he is
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almost calling the shots. republicans have pointed the finger to say they are accusing the white house relying too much on him and not on biden. people are pointing out that biden is part of that. so you will see that shakeout it will be interesting to see if biden is able to remain true to himself or push to the left as he was during the campaign. progressives are already so upset about some issues. but yet he has gone to the left another issues and has please than in other ways. so how to keep the base but yet expand the whole idea of unity to work with republicans at the same time.
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>> the damages are being in politics 50 years biden has a position on basically everything under the sun. sometimes it is the opposite of the previous position. but he has an existing position. people go to change his mind there is a degree he can be patient because anytime he changes his mind it is a big deal. people point out it's different from what he would do or where he was before. there is a benefit to the lack of urgency to change your mind to assess the politics of the moment on the other hand it can make them slow to react. >> you do talk about the sense of ron plane and the folks around him, the on - - the warren camp that you map out in exhaustive detail has
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carried over to the white house? is there a sense you have these over here and those over here and have they actually come together for the benefit of the country? or is this the set of delicate balance? >> think it still new. i do think there was a lot of tension as we talked about in the book between the primary staff in the old hands biden world and the people that came in. a lot of those people are still in the white house. so i'm curious to see if that carries over.
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and if they go forward or if they are stuck in the past. they still have a weird flowchart people don't know who was calling the shots and they think the old-timers in the book are savvy enough to call the shots or to energized to get some new blood in there. there is a lot of obama people in there and then have those two worlds to dovetail if they can work together is another thing to watch. >> how does that tie to what they have to deliver before midterms come around? is this modified chaos that you map out over the course of the book? will that undermine the ability to deliver the american rescue plan that has
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now passed. but there are other issues. during the book you talk about murdering george floyd. that trial that raises the specter of whether or not it will be police reform and then other legislative priorities. and voter reform and multiple states with a republican governors or legislators that are enacting bills that will curb voting rights. what does biden have to deliver and what in this book show where he could deliver are not delivered to maintain control of congress? >> less is more.
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not having controversial flights or jamming things through congress like the filibuster. >> and to pay close attention to go back and find some of the longest speeches in history were in defense of the filibuster but in defense of the filibuster. he will be very measured and careful so far he's largely talking to his own people and they understand how fragile of a proposition and the majority of the 1 percent is democratic 50 percent of the senate that's only 48 because the to our independence. there is no margin for error. we have a government at least
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in our lifetime is making it hard to get things done and not be able to push through the ideological agenda unless the country has really voted for a super majority. biden doesn't have that and he is more aware of that than anybody else frankly that's around but i do think the democrats will give them a honeymoon. he can can treat the presidency and the majority with the appropriate care for the fragility. >> is there anything that president biden and has to prove? early in our conversation we talked about the doubters and you list them out in detail which of course with president obama what is something he
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really feel he needs to prove that is borne out by your reporting generally speaking? >> we have seen a little bit of a shift recently on the campaign trail toward the end the president has become more scripted and does not add gas prone as he used to be which was a major concern for people during the campaign. there was talk about choosing the schedule and tweaking it so he was not doing evening events because that is when he was making the biggest mistakes and was a little bit more gaffe prone and then with covid that was another lucky break for him even people on the inside said he could stay home and get off the trail.
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he was not there to make gaffe or have missteps or blunders. that was helpful to him. right now you see a white house that has kept him on a pretty tight leash. he doesn't crack jokes like he used to there are very few of these and it's interesting as a reporter to see him very disciplined and when his dogs were barking an old joe biden would've cracked a joke about his dog barking in the background but the new joe biden was very but end up ended and say a word. although you can see him thinking what he might have said. so that is an interesting contrast and we talk a lot about in the book. >> amy nailed that perfectly.
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>> one thing that strikes me is the influences that we talk about with the biden presidency. this week going back to the trial and talking about diversity and the strength of the ticket, his team, for all of the pronouncements and the inner circle is not very diverse. will that work for or against besides the vice president? when you talk about the people, those around him are not very diverse. his decisions on issues that will affect what is in the
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headlines right now. >> i believe representation now the short answer is yes. if you are trying to figure out how to govern a country as diverse as the united states and the main people forming your decision the limited set of experiences in life with a small scope of friends and family it's more difficult that you address the various needs of a diverse country. i think biden cares about addressing the needs of the people of his own coalition and the people outside it. something he talks about and has shown during his career but yet there is a nagging question of who is closest to
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him and we see in the book there is attention where he is told you have to hire people of color and people to be around you to inform your decision-making early in the campaign and he does that and we talk about how he courts simone sanders coming on and he was with bernie sanders and talking to kamala harris but then immediately there is a feeling among the advisers who were younger that may be included in the discussions but they are not influential and then it takes more for them to have any kind of influence. i think that will be attention for him. i think he feels he has enough people he is close to that are not necessarily the ones in the white house. he picks up the phone to call cliburn he will pick it up. they were close.
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the former congressman from new orleans is working the white house as an advisor. he has respect for people who have been around the block which means because of the obstacles and impediments for people of color to rise into this position over the course of history there are fewer of them available who have the years of experience in these roles around - - those around biden have. but he would be well advised to make sure the voices of people other than his closest advisers to him actually get some traction. the other set of people he appreciates our elected officials because they have been on the campaign trail and understand the cross pressures of policy preferences versus political survival.
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they see you can't get along if you can't win. that's biden's approach and he respects elected officials hill call people from the hill from the cdc but it's not quite the same as having folks in his oval office meetings every day. >> another things of foreshadowing what you map out going into the democratic convention is the dustup with governor cuomo. it's not pretty. what about that incident speaks to how the biden team might react to the governor given his current problems? >> who is that governor cuomo of them you speak? i haven't heard anything about
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him. [laughter] >> just to tell people more about the anecdote, they ask andrew cuomo to help to do a speech highlighting biden and it was very and word. >> that is a nice way to put it. [laughter] it was a little self-centered and focused on cuomo and what cuomo was doing and that angered a lot of the biden people and they said do it again. and they wouldn't. which basically says everything you need to know about andrew cuomo. [laughter] >> they love to speech on the
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steps lit on fire and rang the bell and ran away. which in my experiences comparing that speech to a bag full of crap. [laughter] >> c have to speak to the position are you quietly keeping score about predictions in a nostradamus type of way? back then you map out this little thing with whomever. or are you saying that came true or that came sure that's about to come true? are there things that jump out at you? >> we were not surprised to find out cuomo was considered to be a whole by other democrats. that he hid the nursing home deaths or that it isn't just himself.
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he loves with nobody more than himself lavishly having issues people are saying that he has a raster has made them uncomfortable. we cannot predict that but we did know that there is a reason the story is being shared with us. there's a reason this stood out to the biden folks when they were working on the campaign. we knew, would be a figure that had some issues. >> i to jump into. >> we try to bring you in and with the book. [laughter]
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but the relationship between president biden and former president obama. it took him a while to call him and congratulate him and going forward is their attention that you unpack that we did not know before? that would have the abiding effect on their relationship going forward? >> yes. absolutely. biden felt like he was neglected by obama. obama was annoyed biden got out there on same-sex marriage before obama did. obama looked at biden as somebody who was not a particularly capable politician.
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and biden looked at obama the same way. biden felt resentment to obama and wrote about in his own book after obama basically supported clinton in the 2016 primary and made clear that he didn't think he should run. we talk about obama in this book talking to the biting campaign early in say not so much he was worried that biden would lose. he expected that but worried he would bellyflop and fall flat on his face and in barest himself tarnishes own legacy and the obama legacy. biden is aware of all this because they talk to the same people. he know obama's hesitation to get behind him as part of the reason people in the obama world are also not getting behind him like reverend sharpton says if you run i will surely check in with obama. they want to see what he will do. so there is the ongoing tension. the other thing is the biden election, the nomination and election as president is an
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implicit rebuke of obama. biden ran as a triangulation between trump and obama so he is backtracking politically from where obama was and with biden winning, that has to sting a little bit for obama. that this country decided that biden, that he looked at as a necessary sidekick, the old white moderate guy he put on his ticket but not to make decision is what the country wants after 84 years of obama and eight - - eight years of obama and four years of trump. >> before i ask the final question, thank you to our guests amy and jonathan and also the headliners and the cochairs former on - - and the
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past president of the national press club and the club staffing communications director and the broadcast center in spite of the zoom gremlins thank you for holding it together. the staff executive director and 114th and karen president lisa matthews he will be back thursday march 25th on efforts to protect the world's most vulnerable communities. you can find more details as always on our website press club.org. the last time you were here you got mugs. >> you going to send me mugs? >> let me get the mugs. [laughter] we will get you your mugs. so for the final question, i
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will make it a two-part. will there be a fourth book? what will it be about? and is there one major prediction based upon your reporting in this book you want to make a marker down right now you think will come true? >> you'll definitely see a fourth book i think but. [laughter] we will talk about that another time. i don't know what you think about predictions? >> number one thank you to the national press club into all the staff that helped with this. and your relatively recent inauguration of lisa matthews. they've had many great presidents and i am certain
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president matthews will continue that tradition and be equally as good. >> far better. [laughter] >> as far as predictions go, here is a prediction i will make. they will have very ugly senate house primaries. the one thing the progressives did in this election was stuff their priorities into the backseat to get biden elected to get rid of trump. they did it fairly easily. they wanted to get rid of trump is different from 16 when there was a schism within the democratic party leading to the election you will see that less. all of them respect for having gotten rid of trump but that will angrily play out in the congressional primaries.
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>> okay. with that. thank you for being our virtual headliners series i will take my gavel from 2017. we are adjourned. thank you very much >> a couple of years ago there was a book i think the romania
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and with eastern europe from where we are disseminating pamphlets or something along those lines. i am paraphrasing. are you kidding me these anti- vaccine messages and hesitancy the money pamphlets to get their point across they are sending videos of the mother crying to the camera because she is convinced her three -year-old became autistic after getting the mmr vaccine. with a video like that some person with the story with the child crying he will cancel that with a bullet point that does not meet people where they are. so what frustrates me is a trained in medicine and medical school we practice evidence-based medicine but we
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don't practice evidence-based communication even though we know that is make or break with communication and is everything in the response and now we have scholars over here and over here with decades of evidence about what works and what does not work and yet we just keep repeating what we say works even that pamphlets are facts with a one-size-fits-all method. it is rubbishing goes over the heads of so many people it doesn't atone for the fact that we in medicine are part of an establishment with ability and unethical history even now not just about history but medical racism but if you talk to six people who are vaccine hesitant the
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majority is people that are on the fence. they will have six different reasons and with to be vaccine hesitant what the localized communication campaign also.
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>> good afternoon everybody. thank you for joining us for this heritage event life. i'm director of the simon center for american studies at the heritage foundation. it is my pleasure to welcome everybody here for this event conservativism and america's future a lively topic. i'm also delighted to welcome everybody here as part of the

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