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four recent books area 51 area paper clip and brain and pulitzer prize and phenomenon join our live three hour conversation with your calls e-mail, tweets and facebook questions. live sunday at noon eastern on booktv's in-depth on c-span2. >> one of the things i would have put in the the book -- for more of in the book is the much more had explicit argument about just how bad things can get if we don't have that international order which i believe absolutely requires american military strength. and i think it could get very, very bad. so say these are all regional conflict and pull back from one and it doesn't have a baring on the other. i don't think i really don't think that's the case we do live
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in globalized world and these are all inner connected and if we were to pull back from that i think consequences would be felt in the region but more globally. >> i would just know whether you looking at the world through the lens that elliot described over rules based normative order that we created after 1945 with the help of other countries and some international institutions or even if you're looking at it from the point of view of america first, more jobs for americans, you know, our prosperity has rested historically on freedom of access to the global commons and particularly freedom of the seas. which we have advocated since our birth as a nation. and what china is doing is essentially chipping away at that principle. and so yes it goes to the strength of our allies but it goes to something even more fundamental which is the underpinning of the entire system on which the commerce and
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international trade and process tearty of much of the world depends, and it is for that reason i think we -- you know, that's why we care. about the china see or east china sea and the challenge that we faced this goes to hal's point of changing regional balances is that some of the rising regional had powers or in some cases declining regional powers that are exerting themselves to more -- completely dominate their regions have found that they could, if they can take actions that follow below the special that would normally elicit a military response from us. they can through a series of islam me slices begin to chip away at the foundations of this order. and so we're faced with a challenging question -- that china militarizes these land reclamation projectses these sand beers that they're
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building starts to put airstrips on them. at what point do you respond? when they put antiaircraft missile on the first time do you take them out then? maybe not. that would seem like, you know, a small step that warrant a massive u.s. response and put them in a conflict with china so wait until done it on two islands. is that enough? what about ten, three, 100? what about when you you wake up one day and find that they've created an air defense information zone is this over the area and you can no longer fly over it? [laughter] this is a challenge i think that we face and it is not just in the south china sea but elsewhere as well. >> i'm not sure what -- pulling back actually means in the geographic context of the western pacific. where the united states has territory american citizens who are represented in congress in the western pacific. so pulling all the way back to,
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you know, u.s. territory means back to guam so that's not really been a very -- realistic geopolitical option sense and how and go to one. >> two brief points. one to echo something that elliot said i think we need to rediscover our imagination of the tragic in terms of thinking about what a real breakdown of international order can look like because we've been blessed to have this order for past 70 years but i think it is hard for people today to understand what had can happen when things really go wrong. the second point is that -- echo everything that's been said about importance of the south china sea. i would symptomly add, though, that i think for any administration whether that would be obama administration an trump administration today it is important to really have a firm idea of what you're trying to accomplish in the south china sea and whether you're willing to use level of coercion that is necessary to bring that about. so i'm all for taking a harder line with china.
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if you take the comment that rex tillerson made in confirmation hearing to deny china access to the artificial islands that it has built what is the level of coercion that is necessary to bring that about and are you willing to sign off to that. if answer is yes, okay as long as you understand what the consequence of that. if answer is no, then that's a dumb thing to say because it make use look we can and foolish. qowk watch this and other programs online at ...


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