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tv   Book Discussion on Pedigree  CSPAN  August 24, 2015 1:00am-1:21am EDT

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we have to be able to do their invocation and especially helping them build by pushing the toast of host of the free enterprise system and the freedoms that we as upper-middle-class people enjoy that's when we have a new game. ..
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>> >> if they're the only ones
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to do with it they will experience incredible victory in 2016 in the lake's three have not seen since they age of ronald reagan. >> that is a new kind of conservatism? >> yes. mitt is a compassionate conservatism but to say what is it our own hearts read of the day qualifier. but as we really understand it with the dignity of work and the sanctity of every individual as a child of god >> host: how are we so far off that path? >> it is anger and protests i a understand that people
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are so worried about the lawlessness in the chaos that day lash out to celebrate and follow somebody like donald trump and i understand that but that is not the right reaction. menu feel like lashing out is when you have to be most in control. >> host: also true with the progressive side going to elizabeth warren? >> yes. someone like donald trump is great for the media you never know what will come out of his mouth. [laughter] but the 73 year-old socialist out interesting can that be? but the left is moving to the left more than a right is moving to a more flexible space but better than
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50 percent likely you will see a candidate who basically freya's himself as the candidate of aspiration and not tinker. >> host: you have high praise for the book white -- like paul rice and. it makes the case why they should be at the center of the poverty fighting efforts in that is one of the more important takeaways said it does give a prescription of how to fight for something and how to be about that fight in a way that brings people into it. after listening to you began to replay the sections that stood out i understand why this is an important pockets and i think a lot of
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people, a project to the conservatives will appreciate the struggle isn't over we have more fights but we have to put ourselves fully into the game. >> also to be grateful. >> reagan talked about the happy warrior it is a descriptive and it is a joy. to share with everyone this book the conservative part. >> you have been an inspiration. >> my pleasure
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"pedigree" how elite students get elite jobs" northwestern university professor, lauren rivera is the author. professor hog you define and he leaped? >> guest: an excellent question it depends on who you ask i have been looking at the the top jobs from consulting firms and law firms and these are i call them the baby business elite day our prestigious position high level of economic rewards with salaries so
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they are the most for stitches and rewarded. >> host: does elite began at elite? >> i get my blood dash think it does for better or worse allotted is unconscious i think that we as humans gravitate toward people who were similar to ourselves and when it comes to economic or cultural elite away to carry yourself that our more common in a certain social strata in we believe that is the best and people who have merit and the path that they pursue. it reminds me a psychological research the good driver or what kind of parent is a good parent will describe someone like themselves and did you ask
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people in positions of power what marriage is dimbleby a definition strikingly similar to what ever they are. it is true other segments of society as well but definitely one that contributes. >> host: walked us through a case study how the elite student gets the elite job. >> guest: in general to get the entry-level straight out of undergrad or business school with a top investment paying gore top law school the biggest key is to go to the right school the firm has a very strict you the best in the brightest only go to top schools with the very narrow definition. i made the top 50 is selective or elite but it is to be taught 54 top-10.
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number two you need to have the right resume if you -- if you don't have a lot of work experience the be internships but the more prestigious the better they often are not necessarily looking for concrete skills to go to princeton or harvard or columbia they trust you are smart enough to do the job they can teach you so they look for the internships that are not paid as well as the extra curricular profile that is personal passion activities likes words may be drama if you have a good one but the best and brightest cultivate their skills and intellect
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so if you don't have extra curricular activities motivated by passion you are out to of the game that is getting into the interview. if you are selected a lot are open-ended so they will sit down and have the open ended conversation why are you hear what you like to do in your spare time with the feeling of personal chemistry the outside of work and school or a huge source of success and after that some firms will have a skills test like a case interview but the idea is you are to speak to the interviewer is no way you are = throughout the interview to foster an interview of chemistry and success is the familiarity
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of the upper class culture. >> host: you say in the book that a structured interview benefits period the non a tent -- elite more? >> guest: for the most part unstructured interviews are the most common their love them because it allows personal success to be the guiding force you may think what drives success is the fact you are from a certain state that with unstructured interview is about the personal interview of drive and a success. structured is if you ask the same questions to all candidates they are informed by analysis that predicts
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on-the-job success by what is a good predictor of job success but they may not have anything to do with it if you crunch the numbers so to have said they said it structured assessment. reduce this inequality because they put a tamper on the personal bias to keep them focused on the job element criteria. when they are unstructured physical attractiveness and others can run crazy in the evaluation. the one downside to a highly structured process is the for some reason whatever structure you have adopted where in some applications can have to solve a business
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problem similar to what the job and of very stylized script if you don't know the rules of this particular type of interaction space do well and in that setting requires of mastery of insider codes in knowing in insider. >> host: professor rivera you roto law student from a working-class family talked a recruiting events i would generally stand over the quarter with my friends were seen by the bar and get drunk so i did not use that as a recruiting tool for committee that would have been smart but i hate shmoozing at cocktail parties. >> guest: the knowledge of what counts in which doesn't depends on your connections
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by your background and to know that networking and chemistry can carry the day is cultural knowledge that not everyone has often working-class enter the classroom or interviews with the opinion that what is on the resume a counts most. networking is a huge part battle minority were supposed to but doing well can make or break a candidate. >> host: what you teach? >> leadership. >> host: what is the downside of pedigree? >> guest: there can be antoine is relate to live in a society we belief opportunity in theory is open and with there is the process in place like a
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documented the systematically make it that if you do not come from that background the chance to get a top paying job is very, very difficult that is the notion of the american dream and the open society but there is evidence the suggest a higher class background that they tend not to like these jobs there difficult, wrote they require a lot of hours on the job end monday and tasks but it elite students are actually a worse bit in an individual of modest economic means or less prestigious school so they want to leave the jobs earlier with in the first one or two years where some are meant to be temporary
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positions not meant to take you to a partnership but those that like the work and want to stay longer and research suggest lower class backgrounds have better coping skills that's is a demanding client professions >> host: in our schools guilty as well to perpetuate this elite system? >> guest: i think they are and i don't think it is intentional but elite universities have strong incentive to keep this going. that national rankings directly factor into a starting salary for a recent graduate. they have become so important in terms of alumni donations so sending as many students as possible to that
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benefits them. also they are complex said that the most elite especially undergraduate business school and law school, allow them almost unfettered access to their students and that creates a climate on campus where these careers and debbie a crucial mercker of self worth so they go into much greater numbers than otherwise because the recruiting process has been described as literally taking over campuses several months per year have made it that they're available to the high status jobs. >> host: northwestern university you teach at the kellogg school of management you our top five. >> we spend a lot on a
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british bank consultant but yes. universities play a big role in that. >> host: how do you fight this? >> the first has to do with universities one of the big reasons why the playing field is so scarce that happens to be universities of undergraduate and graduate level tend to have a high a biased and admission criteria looking at the population of the top school the programs tend to be dominated by the most affluent hasp -- households but if you look at firm so only recruit from that school if they had a class by as population there will naturally be biased but of the top of that with those
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hiring practices not only liked prestige or the economic status or extracurricular activities of the unpaid internships the notion to be polished and to be well spoken insider knowledge of that interview process results of the filter. >> host: does this lead to racial bias? >> that is part of the process it is important to disentangle race because they are different but i think the hiring process is disadvantaged to those of low income backroads regardless of race but in addition on the interferes among hiring committees is people use stereotypes as
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shot -- shortcuts especially with african-american men there is a stereotype that black people are less polished so we see that as an applicant falters just a little bit as an african-american male on communication but i watched how zero equivalent application supper white they were considered approachable so that several racial bias that happens in addition to creating racial bias in this process they also tend not to be the most racially diverse schools to begin with so you have the pipeline but also the bias issue in what they're doing to reinforce those qualities >>

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