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vote-a-rama. the senate pulls an all-nighter as democrats aim to push through their tax and climate bill. >> this is one of the most comprehensive and imimpactful bills. >> will their inflation reduction act actually reduce inflation? >> it will, in fact, have a minimal impact on inflation. >> and across the aisle. we'll talk to two senators about their history of working together and what's next. republican senator lindsey graham and democratic senator richard blumenthal.
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plus, on the trail. as candidates make their pitch to voters, one democrat goes all in on a major issue. >> i am pro-choice and i am going to be governor because of my commitment to the women of georgia. >> what's the winning strategy for november? democratic nominee for georgia governor stacey abrams joins me ahead. hello, i'm dana bash in washington where the state of our union is watching the u.s. senate pull an all-nighter. you are looking at live pictures of the senate floor where tired lawmakers are still voting. after more than nine hours of all-night debate on the democrats' sweeping tax, health and climate package. saturday vice president kamala harris cast a tie-breaking vote. right now democrats are trying to remain united as republicans and bernie sanders offer up amendments to the bill. i want to go straight to capitol hill and cnn's chief
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congressional correspondent manu raju. manu, you have been up all night. you don't look it, but you've been up all night with the senators watching it all unfold. what's the latest? >> reporter: the senators are expecting several more hours of voting after starting the votes at 11:30 p.m. eastern time last night, going all through the night. i just walked into the senate chamber. senators appear surprisingly energetic. we expect this to wrap up probably some time early afternoon. because of the procedure they are employing here, democrats are trying to pass this bill along straight party lines. cannot be filibustered because they're using the budget process. that same process gives senators an endless amount of amendments and essentially they can offer amendments until they decide to give up, essentially here. now, republicans have offered a series of amendments targeting immigration, the irs enforcement as well as energy provisions. democrats have banded together, they have stuck together and rejected all of the republican
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attempts. they have even voted down one of their own. senator bernie sanders has tried to expand the child tax credit. democrats voted that down, too, because of their concerns if this bill is changed in any way, it could upset this delicate compromise and cause some moderates in their caucus to revolt. this bill, though, dana, significant in size and scope, dealing with health care, climate change, increasing the corporate minimum tax. at the moment for house of the senate and onto the house for final passage on friday, giving biden a gigantic win here of more than a year of internal democratic wrangling. >> manu raju, thank you. here with me now for a special joint interview, two senators from either side of the aisle who have come together to pass a surprising amount of compromise legislation. connecticut democratic senator richard blumenthal and south carolina republican senator lindsey graham. gentlemen, thank you for coming on for this interview. senator blumenthal, i'm going to start with you about this budget
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bill that is -- making its way through congress. three independent economic analyses, including the congressional budget office, all say the inflation reduction act will actually have little to no impact on inflation. how is this bill actually going to help americans who are having trouble paying for their groceries, for their housing, for their gas? >> great question. and thanks for having us in this bipartisan way. i think americans are going to see the costs of their prescription drugs cut because of medicare negotiations. they're going to see energy costs cut because they're going to be receiving credits and rebates for energy saving and cost-cutting measures. and they're going to see greater tax fairness because corporations that are currently paying nothing will have to pay at least 15%. we're talking corporations with assets of more than $1 billion or earnings of excess in that
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amount. so, we're going to see costs of gasoline continue to drop, costs of necessities to decline. and i think americans will see historic results. >> well, this is not the bipartisan part of the interview. so, the american rescue plan, remember that one? that was supposed to make us -- make everything better. it became a recession plan. this is going to make everything worse. i voted for a bipartisan infrastructure bill and voted for gun legislation. i'm not going to vote for this. the minimum tax of 15% destroys expensing. what does that mean? if a company buys a piece of equipment they could expense is under the 2017 tax cut in the same year they bought it. that goes away. cbo says it disincentivizes companies from buying factories, buying equipment to help us get out of recession. there's a 16.4% tax on imported barrels of oil that are going to increase costs at the gas pump.
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subsidies for obamacare go to families making 300 and 4,000 a year. >> one other thing the cbo office said is the bill would reduce the deficit. republicans historically had been fairly focused on reducing the deficit. why not support that? >> it says it would reduce the deficit by $100 billion. we're going to spend almost $1 trillion. the truth is the american -- the obamacare subsidies go away after three years. well, we all know they're not going to go away. if they stayed in place for ten years, it would add $280 billion to the deficit. so it's a gimmick. they have a gimmick in the about i will to limit the subsidies for three years for people that make 300,000, $400,000 a year. not one republican will vote for it. >> where we can agree that will make things better is the irs
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will have resources it needs to go after the highest income americans cheating on their taxes right now. and it will mean more revenue for the government. frankly, cutting through all of the numbers, all of the cbo stuff, the average american sitting at their kitchen table deciding whether they can buy medicine, pay their mortgage, or go to the grocery store and get the food they need, they're going to be able to get that medicine much more cheaply. and overwhelmingly, the american people want to cut the cost of prescription drugs. this measure does it through enabling medicare to do what the da does, what the department of defense does, negotiate for lower prices. that will affect the entire course of -- >> i want to bring one other issue that's in this bill. >> and i don't agree with that. >> no, go ahead. >> number one, prescription drugs -- they take 15 drugs and put a limit on what you can charge. that sounds good until
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pharmaceutical companies invent less new drugs. remember covid? well, it was the american pharmaceutical industry that got us the drugs that keep us out of the hospital and keep a lot of us alive. this is price fixing. it's never worked for us. not going to work now. hiring 86,000 more irs agents, if that makes you feel better, you missed a lot. they're coming after waitresses and uber drivers and everybody else to collect more taxes. if you think growing the irs is good for you, you're wrong. >> do you want to respond or move on? >> i think the irs is going to target the highest income americans. as the saying goes, that's where the money is. that's where they're going to look to collect. the idea there's going to be this army of irs agents descending on the average americans is preposterous. for the biggest corporations in this country to pay nor taxes, for them to do stock buybacks that benefit the shareholders. in the case of oil companies,
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they are making three to four times they did last year. what are they doing with those excess wind fall profits? lowering gasoline prices? no, they are doing stock buybacks. they ought to pay a tax on it and i think there should be rebates to consumers. >> let's turn to foreign policy. this is -- >> keep the tape and see who -- >> we will. the issue of ukraine. you were both just in ukraine together, actually, in june. you are now pushing to designate russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. the biden administration does not like that idea. they think it would rupture ties between the western alliance and russia even more than it is now. do you want the senate to pass a bill to force the president to do it anyway? jump ball. >> here's what i think, and i think we are very much in agreement on this point. and i think it is a mark. our bipartisan work together that we are so much in agreement, and that the congress
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has spoken unanimously, one voice. so far the senate at least. i think the administration should pre-empt the referendum, the sham referendum that russia is going to hold in early september by designating russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. you know, we went to ukraine recently together. we went not only to meet with president zelenskyy, who is ecstatic about this idea of condemning russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, but we also went to buchen, yirpin, and it's genocide. hold a referendum in the occupied territories and i think the administration should, infect, say to russia, we're making awe a pariah like iran and cuba and other states that have no respect -- >> do you have enough votes to push this with the senate with a
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veto-proof margin and force the senate's hand? >> we tried to be bipartisan. as wrong as he is about the american inflation reduction act, he has been so good, senator blumenthal, in standing up to putin. he imposed presanctions. if we him posed sanctions before they went ent in, it may have changed things. i think senator blumenthal and a handful of other democrats and republicans, have really focused on this. what have we learned? we were told four days after the invasion, we're almost six months into this thing. everybody has underestimated the ukrainians -- >> what do you do now? >> we go all in on war sanctions, designate russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. that means you can go to american courts and sue russia. countries that deal with russia in the future have secondary
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sanctions. 100-0 we were able to pass a resolution urging you to designate russia as state sponsor of terrorism, because they are. i would like to work with them. whether or not we have to do legislation to make it happen, we're willing to do. i am urging the administration to act now before they annex any more of the east, pre-empt them and label putin's russia for the terrorist state they are, which puts the whole world on notice, we're not forgiving and fo forgetting. we're going to give them more money and weapons going into next year, designate them a state sponsor of terrorism which will tell the world america is all in for ukraine. >> i have to ask you about another hot spot, that is taiwan and what's going on with taiwan and china. speaker pelosi has left taiwan. the region is very much on edge. china fired michlz over taiwan for the first time. japan says five missiles landed in its exclusive economic zone.
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the speaker seems to have escalated this. was it a mistake? >> no. i think the speaker traveling to taiwan, as many of our colleagues have been. speaker graham traveled to taiwan. and the chinese can't tell our legislators or any american citizens where to travel. and it's bullying and blustering. it's firing these missiles. it's sending its planes in sensitive areas is simply a provocative response. but i will tell you, china's watching what we do in ukraine. that's why we need to send more himars multiple launch artillery so ukraine is successful in the counter counteroffensive. it's not only the state sponsor of terrorism, the president can conduct foreign policy if necessary. we can change the statute to
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provide the president with more flexibility but i hope the president will decide to adopt this and he hasn't taken it off the table. >> is this an area you actually agree with speaker pelosi? >> yeah, she should have gone. i'm glad she went. if she hadn't gone, what with signal would that send to the ukrainians and russians. why does anyone care about taiwan? 90% of the high-end chips are made in taiwan. how would you like the chinese communist party to own that whole market? we need supply chain break from china. taiwan's important to us economically. the last guy that tried to rewrite the map of europe was adolf hitler and threw us into a major war. this is a land war in europe in 2022 and the ukrainians can win this thing with our support. so, here's what i want china to know. putin made a big miscalculation. almost six months into this war, ukraine is bloodied but still
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standing unbowed. nato is bigger, not smaller. the international criminal court is coming after putin and his cronies and we're going to strangle the russian economy as long as they're the largest state sponsor of terrorism. if you want to receive what putin did, go into taiwan. tham fight till the last man in taiwan. bob mendoza has more to sanction china for cyberattacks on this democracy called taiwan. the right response is to push back against a bully, not cower. >> senators, stand by. we have a lot more to discuss, especially issues where the two are making progress in a bipartisan way. on the domestic front. stay with us. she's feeling the power of listerine.
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we're back with democratic senator richard blumenthal and republican senator lindsey graham. you came together on an issue that hasn't been dealt with in a bipartisan successful way in decades. that is gun legislation. and this legislation that was passed closes the so-called boyfriend loophole, encouraging red flag laws and improves
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background checks on juvenile records. senator blumenthal, and probably both of you, this is not enough from your -- it was a good first step, but not enough. are there any actions you think are doable beyond what has now passed and become law in a bipartisan way in the near future on guns? >> let me say very emphatically, yes. and senator graham and i have worked literally for years through thick and thin, through trump and all of the impeachment stuff and all of the partisan fighting on red flag legislation that i think can actually be strengthened because more states should be given more incentives to adopt statutes, emergency risk protection orders that essentially separate people from guns. when they say they're going to kill themselves or somebody else. and we came together after the parkland shooting to say, we
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want a strong red flag incentive statute. we worked with all the groups. i think we can work more on that proposal, possibly even on safe storage. ethan's law, named after ethan song who perished at a friend's house as a result of playing with a firearm. and a variety of other measures, including the background check system. maybe repealing the sweetheart deal with the manufacturers that give them absolute immunity. >> is any of that going to fly with republicans? >> well, i'm certainly -- i'm not going to do anything to gun manufacturers, blame them for an action of somebody who commits a crime. no, that's off the table. i own an ar-15. i'm not going to ban ar-15s. sandy hook looms large here, it happened in connecticut. uvalde. the guy's nickname was the school shooter on the website he hung out. parkland, the cruise guy.
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30 visits by the cop. he did everything but take an ad out in the paper that he's going to kill people. >> what more can -- >> i think we can incentivize states to give them the tools they need to deal with this before it's too late. due process is important. a lot of people on my side don't trust the government, they're afraid the courts are going to take their guns. this is what i would say. this is not a national red flag law, not a national protective order law but has resources to deal with people of unstable people owning guns. we involuntarily commit people who are mentally ill or dementia to keep them safe from harming themselves. all i'm suggesting is as a proud gun owner we need a better system to act before it's too late. due process is important. but the idea you don't trust the judge would argue against having any criminal law against anything. so, the judges are the same ones that will deal with crime. you'll have due process. i want to give tools to people
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on the front lines of this fight, the cops. to act through a court before it's too late. i think every responsible gun owner should not be afraid of a legal system that protects people with due process and keeps guns out of the hands of unstable people. >> senator, i want to move on to other issues, but do have anything you want to add? >> here's the common ground we share and many colleagues on both sides of the aisle. keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. >> i agree. another issue before the senate is gay marriage, what rob portman wants. he's trying to get enough votes to codify same-sex marriage because justice clarence thomas suggested it might be in jeopardy. you said two weeks ago that's the state-by-state approach is the best way to go. i want to be clear about your position. are you saying the 2015 supreme court decision that made
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same-sex marriage the law of the land nationally should be overturned? >> no. i am saying that i don't think it's going to be overturned. >> nor should it be? >> well, that would be up to the court. the reasoning, i think, could be attacked but the point i'm trying to make is i've been consistent. i think states should decide the issue of marriage and states should decide the issue of abortion. i have respect for south carolina. south carolina voters here i trusted to define marriage and deal the issue of abortion. not nine people on the court. that's my view. >> how far down -- how wide should that go? how many more issues should that go to? for example, loving versus virginia that allowed interracial marriage, that shouldn't be touched? >> no. here's the point. we're talking about things that don't happen because you don't want to talk about inflation, you don't want to talk about crime. this is all politics, my friends. instead of trying to solve problems -- we're talking about constitutional decisions that are still in effect. but if you're going to ask me to
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have the federal government take over defining marriage, i'm going to say no. >> okay. >> let me just add, if i may, i think that the supreme court decision that guarantees marriage equality should be codified because i think there's a real danger of it being overturned by the supreme court. this supreme court has indicated it has a hit list beginning with marriage equality, be contraception, possibly others as well, loving versus virginia. i think we need to guarantee these rights to assure people that they can marry the person -- >> senator blumenthal, i want to ask about a big political issue that's going on in your party. that is the question of whether democrats should be playing aggressively in republican primaries. one of ten republicans who supported impeachment, peter may her, lost his primary this week in michigan. democrats on a national level boosted his republican opponent is an election denier.
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he said it's wrong for democrats to support candidates who say they're a threat to democracy. elizabeth warren said that it's dangerous to do this. do you agree? >> i agree that we should focus on our candidates and our races, support them enthusiastically, and make sure that we have the best candidates on our side running and that they have the resources they need to be successful. >> is that a no, don't do that? >> i agree that playing in other people's primaries is generally a bad thing to do. >> let me ask just each of you about -- when you talk about each of your political parties, move forward to 2024. senator graham, you said that you want donald trump to run again in 2024. i want to play for our viewers what happened late in the night on january 6th on the senate floor. >> trump and i, we've had a hell of a journey. i hate it being this way.
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oh, my god, i hate it. from my point of view, he's been a consequential president, today, all i can say is count me out, enough is enough. >> so, why now do you think trump has the character to be president again? >> well, i think he was a consequential president. if you compare his policies to what's going on today, i think he's got a hell of a story to say. that speech was about, i'm going to certify the election. here's some things i don't believe. i don't believe the taliban when they say it didn't know zawahiri was in kabul. i don't believe the border is secure and i don't believe this bill is going to reduce inflation. >> you don't believe the election was stolen. do you want donald trump if he is looking ahead to 2024, to stop shag that? >> i think we should look at election integrity measures to make sure some problems don't happen again. if he runs for president, talking about 2020 is not what
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people want to hear. he likes hearing it, but people want to hear about, how can you secure a broken border? how can you stop rampant crime? what can you do to get the economy back on its feet and how can you make it safer again? how can you stop putin from going further? what would you do with china? that's what people want to hear. here's the good news for republicans. based on the performance of the biden administration, we're in the game at a level i never dreamed of. it's not so much about people liking us. people are looking for an alternative with what's going on. >> i want to ask senator blumenthal about his potential candidate but it sounds like you're saying, point blank, donald trump, please stop saying stop saying -- >> i'm telling president trump if you want to win the election in 2024, start solving the problems americans are living with. >> senator blumenthal, president biden says he intends to run for re-election in 2024. you've heard there's not exactly unanimity in your party. people like chairwoman carolyn
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maloney said she doesn't think he will run. congressman dean phillips says he doesn't want him to run. do you think president biden is the best candidate in 2024? >> i'm going to be very blunt and very honest with you. my focus is totally on this november. partly because i am running for re-election. but also i think this november is going to determine how successful president biden is in the next two years and how strong he would be as a candidate. we need to elect more democrat senators to assure he can appoint judges, he can achieve pro-choice legislation, he can continue the forward momentum of the economy, lower inflation. we are making tremendous progress. the inflation reduction act is one example. the veterans burn pits legislation, which i helped to lead, very important. >> i'm going to ask you about that in one second. but i just -- your nonanswer is going to likely be perceived as
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an intentional dodge. you won't say, yes, i support president biden. is that where you want it to be? >> i will support president biden. >> do you want him to run? >> if he decides he wants to run. and i think his decision will be determined by how november ends for the democratic party and for senators like myself who are running for re-election. >> i will not support president biden. >> you didn't need to say that. >> if trump runs, i would support him. >> senator blumenthal brought up something important, which s we've been talking about a lot of bipartisan accomplishments. the two of you have been a big part of it, but so does president biden. does he get some credit, in your view, for so much of this legislation that has actually passed? that's what he promised to do, work in a bipartisan way? >> he signed things that made sense. the infrastructure bill, we worked together. the gun thing, we've been
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working on this for years. we sort of found the sweet spot. we worked on the social media sites can be sued if they don't protect children from exploitation. you have to earn it. you have to harden your sites to keep from being sued when predators go after children on the internet. we did that together. i mean, he's in cycle. i hate to say this, but i like him. >> him? >> yeah. i don't want to ruin his life here, but we have found common ground on foreign policy, domestic issues. i'm working with elizabeth warren to create a regulatory commission to deal with social media problems. there's plenty of us up there who fight and work together. i just want the country to know that all is not lost in washington. >> well, that's why we have you on. i mean, there's a secret saws h sauce lear. hopefully we can do this again, have you both on, because we agree, it's good for the country to see that you can disagree without being disagreeable and
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welcome back to "state of the union." most abortions are illegal in indiana. it's the first state to pass a new ban after the supreme court overturned roe versus wade, but for some republicans, the abortion issue just got a lot more complicated after kansas
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voters weighed in and rejected a move that the red state had to roll back abortion rights. my next guest, who is on the ballot this fall in georgia, is making abortion the key issue there. here with me now is the candidate for governor in georgia, stacey abrams. thank you so much. it's nice to see you in person. a lot to get to. i want to start with something that's happening in washington, which is the democrats sweeping tax and climate legislation. a lot of the key aspects of the biden agenda, which i know you very much support, are not in there. universal pre-k, the expanded child tax credit. what's your reactions and what do you tell democrats who are going to vote in georgia in the fall who say, what about all the promises they made in washington? i know you're running about governor, but it's about voting intensity. >> we know voting is magic, it's medicine. we have to keep taking it, and keep taking it to cure the ills
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that ails society. what we are seeing happening in washington right now is that we're tackling two of those key ills. for people in georgia who don't have medicaid expansion because brian kemp refuses to do so, this drug bill is going to help a great deal because it's going to allow them to afford their medication without choosing between medicine and food. we know we need to take action on climate. unfortunately, i live in a state where the governor has been absolutely silent on his intentions. i will push forward environmental resilience. this will put money back into the pockets of georgians, back into the pockets of americans and that's the kind of progress we need to continue to make. >> let ask you about the issue you're putting front and center in your campaign, and that is abortion access. i want to read a promise you made to voters in georgia this week. you said, quote, as the next governor, i will make it safe and legal to have abortions in georgia. just so everybody knows, the law of the land now in georgia is that abortion is banned after six weeks. but you know better than anybody
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that the role of the governor is limited. you have to work with the legislature. it is a very republican legislature right now. how will you keep that promise, if you win? >> i served for 11 years in the legislature, seven years as minority leader and i was extraordinarily successful. i am probably the only person to get an a rating from georgia chamber of commerce. i understand how to negotiate and navigate. i also understand the majority of georgians do not like this law. it is an extreme ban, it's dangerous and affects women across the spectrum. the bill passed in 2019 by one vote in the house. i believe that we will come back into power when i take the governorship with people who want to do what's right for the women of georgia. this is a liberty issue and i absolutely believe we can fix this law. >> again, this is -- what happened in kansas is something that went to the voters.
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it didn't go through the legislators. it was a ballot initiative. that doesn't exist in georgia so you're going to have to convince legislators where right now republicans hold 61% of the seats in the senate, 57% of the seats in the house there. >> electing me as governor is going to be a sea change. it is going to be a strong signal to the remaining legislators that they have to do right by the women of georgia. this law as it stands right now will investigate women for miscarriage or for pregnancy loss. it tells women they are in danger of going to jail if they are found to have committed some type of -- essentially if they are drinking a glass of wine because we have now granted pe personhood. we do not know what this law means. women are in danger of losing their likts, they're in danger of not having health care and i believe should i be elected because this issue is so important on every metric, i'll be able to make changes in the legislature. >> on that note, the georgia
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department of revenue said georgians can claim an unborn child as a dependent on their state taxes. would you overturn that if you become governor? >> absolutely. that's part of my point about a woman being under investigation. granting personhood to an embryo or fetus means a woman could likely be charged with murder if something happens. we don't know what this means. we don't know how far it can be taken but we do know this governor has said he wants to pursue a total ban, eliminating exceptions for rape and incest. this legislature without a governor to veto excesses go even beyond this dangerous ban will put women in jeopardy. georgia has 80 counties without an ob-gyn. and we are telling women they have to undergo a traumatic experience without having access to medical care, medical services or the leadership of a governor who believes in their human rights. >> you are christian. you are the daughter of two retired united methodist
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pastorses. some democrats, joe biden is a good example, have had a complicated sort of relationship or conflict between their faith and the abortion policy. some christians believe life begins at conception. i'm just wondering how you think about your faith with regard to this policy. >> i've thought about my faith a great deal. in fact, i was anti-abortion until i went to college. and there i met a friend who has my shared faith values but we started having conversations about reproductive care and abortion care really is. when i talk about that, it was an experience that i had because she was able to give me a different perspective. over the course of the next few years, i really started thinking about what role should the legislature play, what role should government play? this is health care. this is not a woman's right to control her body. this is a woman's right to experience and determine her future and that, for me, as a
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matter of faith means i don't impose those value systems on others. more importantly, i protect her rights. i protect her humanity. that should be my responsibility. >> just a quick political question. the democrat running for governor in south carolina, joe cunningham, said he does not think president biden should run for a second term. listen to what he said. >> who could blame these kids for not showing up at the polls when they have to choose between two 70 -- two 80 -- or two 70-year-olds or 80-year-olds for president of the united states? i said president biden shouldn't run for another term and i won't support his run for another term. it's time for a change in leadership. >> should president biden run in 2024? >> if he runs again, i'm there to support him. the strongest predictor of what will happen in '24 is governors in this country winning on the values of a woman's right to choose, reducing gun violence,
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making sure we have an economy that is strong and i intend to be that governor of the great state of georgia. >> he calls and said, should i run? >> i would tell him to do our best job and right now our focus has to be on what's happening. yes, if president biden chooses to run again, i absolutely support him. my responsibility is to make certain we protect women. i encourage women to go to my website to learn more about my plans of very comprehensive set of plans to protect those women and the people in georgia against an extreme agenda run by our current governor. >> thanks for coming in. nice to see you. >> likewise. >> we invited stacey abrams opponent governor brian kemp, he declined. we hope to interview him ahead of the midterms. up next, a big meeting for conservative activists this weekend and a glimpse of what that might mean for the future of the gop and the republic. that's next.
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seen this ad? it's not paid for by california tribes. it's paid for by the out of state gambling corporations that wrote prop 27. it doesn't tell you 90% of the profits go to the out of state corporations. a tiny share goes to the homeless, and even less to tribes. and a big loophole says, costs to promote betting reduce money for the tribes, so they get less. hidden agendas.
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fine print. loopholes. prop 27. they didn't write it for the tribes or the homeless. they wrote it for themselves. senate democrats began this majority by promising to tackle the biggest challenges facing our country. inflation reduction act will make good on that promise. and in the end, it will be the american people who benefit from the work we do here and now. >> and we're back with our panel. as you just heard, the senate is still debating, but getting closer to final passage of this bill. i want to just even look more broadly beyond this bill and look at some of president
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biden's successes on his agenda. it's a long list. and i don't even have time to read it, it's that long, but not only are we talking about now, $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill, bipartisan gun safety, veterans, so on and so forth. i'm going to sta rt with you, congressman, because i know this is something you want to talk about. >> i think it's been a great week for president biden. he also took out the leader of al qaeda. he's on the verge of passing historic legislation, investing in climate change, reducing the deficit. it's been a fantastic week. we've gotten a lot done in these last two years with extremely narrow majorities. we have a 50-50 senate. a three-vote margin in the house and we've still been able to get a lot done. we can get more done, get more democrats elected after this november. >> he has a point. >> some of the stuff on your list, i think, had good bipartisan support. some of this stuff i would hesitate to call a win.
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this bill they're passing today, they called it the inflation reduction act and bernie sanders went down to the floor and so i think they have a branding problem. when democrats go to the polls to argue for their program, and they say, we passed an inflation reduction act and people look at their grocery bills and they haven't gone down, they might hold them accountable for it. >> kristen, you look at the numbers, you are a republican pollster. is this enough to change the narrative or how people feel? >> passing a bill alone, i don't think changes things. it will matter entirely -- does it affect people's bottom lines at home? we are still seeing 2/3 of americans believe that the economy is getting worse. biden's job approval rating has been pretty low, even in the face of all of those pieces of legislation that you just mentioned. and so while congress may be doing things, do the voters like
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what congress is doing i think remains an open question. some of this is also because there are pieces of the democratic coalition that have not been very enthused by the biden presidency thus far. perhaps this changes things. does that persist all the way to november? >> something that's getting a lot of buzz this morning is "the new york times" columnist maureen dowd saying that joe biden should take a victory and ride off into the sunset. the timing of your exit can determine your place in the history books. this is the moment for bide on the decide if all of this is fuel for re-election campaign when he will be 81, 82 on inauguration day, or a legacy on which to rest. >> well, first i would say if joe biden runs for president, i will support him. but we really have to see what happens this november, because there are -- inflation is on the ballot. we know gas prices are going down, so that will affect people's bottom line, but we
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know issues like gun reform. yes, they passed a bipartisan bill, but we are still seeing mass shootings, abortion, child care, all these things that impact people's bottom line are on the ballot, as well. while joe biden's approval rating might be low, he's not on the ballot this november. if we can expand the margin -- a couple of months ago, i said i am still hopeful democrats can be successful in november. i think we are at a pivot moment. you will see the shelacking people are saying the republicans are going to do is not going to happen. >> a big chunk of the things passed on the screen was passed with several republicans. so they have voted with on issues they thought made sense and voted against it when it didn't. you said you'll support biden if
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he runs. blumenthal, stacey abrams, all these democrats, there's only one answer to this. if you're a loyal democrat, all you have to do is say yes. but you can't do it. that ought to tell you all you need to know, american people, about how his own party feels about the president. >> no, no. >> i'm sorry, forgive me, we have somebody on the ballot here. >> i find it funny. this is a guy who knocked off an in incumbent president, got the most votes ever. if he decides to run, he should be the nominee. he's done a good job, and if he can get more margins in congress, we'll be able to do more. the annual conservative political action conference was in texas this weekend.
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i want to play some of the rhetoric that came off that stage. >> we are at war. we're in a political and idealogical war. >> we have the ability to shatter, shatter the democratic party as a national political institution. >> the militant left wing in our country has become the enemy within. >> what the militant left is now proposing is not simply wrong, it is evil. >> is that something that will appeal to republican voters, particularly what's left in the swing districts or the purple states in the senate? >> i think it's very -- i encourage people to take caution when it comes to what is said at a conference somewhere and to what extent -- >> rick scott is in charge of getting republicans elected to the senate. >> sure, sure. >> i think in general you have a lot of republican voters of the mind that things are terrible in the united states.
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this is something that they have believed all the way back, you remember when donald trump was first inaugurated. republicans have believed america is on the wrong track in a very powerful way in a while. voters in the center are a little bit with them. perhaps not 100% on how and why we got there. but right now, i'm seeing right track, wrong track numbers we haven't seen in a decade. while i don't think necessarily you can look at cpac and say that's what every republican thinks, there is a palpable sense that the country is in deep, deep trouble and needs transformation. >> we don't agree on much. we disagree at this table. it's not right to go and say, you're the enemy. you're the enemy. we're all americans. we agree on virtually nothing. we're not enemies. i don't think this -- it might serve weltl in a primary, but i a general election, i don't see it.
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