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to leave on a major middle east trip including a controversial visit to saudi arabia. can he reset relations with the country he had vowed to make a pariah? and new efforts are now underway to free americans britney greiner and paul whalen from captivity in russia. the better and hostage negotiator former governor bill richardson is now expected to travel to moscow in hopes of winning the release. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world, i'm wolf blitzer, you're in the situation room. on this the eve of the next january six hearing, select committee aides are sharing new details on what to expect as the panel zeros in on the far right extremists at the forefront of the insurrection. cnn congressional correspondent ryan nobles has our report from capitol hill. >> the justice department says they were among the writers
causing the most trouble on january sixth. right wing extremist groups many of which came to washington intent on disrupting the certification of the election will be the focus of the house select committee. >> just to get and historical precedents to the group -- >> the committee is repaired outline groups on january sixth. a will grill the former spokesperson. maccallum giving is giving -- all i'm giving is an historical precedents. >> that details about how they allegedly prepared for violence. at least one member bringing explosives including military ordnance grenades to the dc area. the committee believes the groups weren't operating in a vacuum. and they been looking at whether the connections go all the way to the white house. >> we want to probe any connections between these dangerous groups and the white house.
is still a great deal we don't know and we will find out. steve bennett has a change of heart about cooperating. >> all is going to break loose tomorrow. just understand this. all is going to break loose tomorrow. mickey stare down a criminal contempt trial now tells the committee is willing to talk, but only if you can do it in public on his own terms. prosecutors have called this move a stunt to try to wiggle out of his criminal contempt charges. a federal judge on monday declined bannon's request to postpone his trial for next week meaning it will start on monday. the department of justice also revealing that they've interviewed former trump lawyer justin clark. clark told doj trump never told bannon he would not waive executive privilege in order for him to speak to the committee. this despite a letter from trump to bannon this weekend saying he now waves privilege claims. the committee is willing to hear from bannon but on their ground rules. >> we do depositions, this goes
on for our hour after hour after hour. we want to get all of our questions answered and you can't do that in a live format. >> of course tuesday's hearing comes just a couple of days after a lengthy deposition with one of the committee's most important witnesses, pat cipollone, the former white house counsel. members of the committee say that we could see clips of the deposition as soon as tomorrow's hearing and they have another hearing plan that could probably placate take place next week that discusses the dereliction of duty and generally six and it is in that hearing where we expect to see a lot of pat cipollone. >> you are absolutely right. rhino was on the steps of the u.s. capital. thank you very much. let's get more on all this. joining us now the chief legal analyst jeffrey tobin. cnn senior law-enforcement analyst of the former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe has cnn's chief political correspondent dana bash. and how critical will it be to
hear some excerpts from pat cipollone's nearly eight hours of testimony? >> absolutely critical. 's abilities universally seen as maybe the most important witness the committee has spoken to so far. he has the ability to shed light on numerous issues around the lead up to january six. and then of course what was happening in the white house with the president on that critical day. so obviously seven hours of testimony last week, they must've been satisfied with what they were hearing. i will expect they would see excerpts of that this week. >> i'll tell you what, he was the white house counsel. he was involved in all those developments. >> he is one of those people that was actually by trump's side through he moments up through the generally six the tech their how big a when is this for the committees investigation? >> it certainly is a wind to get him under oath and on video . obviously we need to see which questions he answers. frankly, the most interesting
thing he could tell us is what he told donald trump about the legalities of january sixth, of what went on. member, cassidy hutchinson said repeatedly he was warning that crimes were going to be committed. did he warn the president that he was at risk of committing crimes? now it may be that simple and he doesn't talk about his direct advice to the president. that might be close to executive privilege or attorney client privilege, but certainly some comments from sue pallone are better than nothing and there were seven hours worth. presumably, there is interesting important material. >> i assume you are right. tomorrow's hearing will focus on the role of extremist group spirit we note trump allies roger stone and michael flynn close with these far right groups. what questions does that raise? >> the big question is what did
forgive me, but what did the president know, and when did he know it? and add to that, how involved we see if at all with the planning and the coordination of the attack that you are showing on the screen right now that we also and felt in real time, and so far the focus has been more broadly on the former president's efforts to pressure federal officials and pressure state officials. to upend the results of the 2020 election. the committee has not yet drawn a line between the then president and the people who attacked the capital. the question is whether or not they have any evidence that there is a line specifically to draw. jamie raskin who will be doing much of the questioning in the hearing tomorrow said that there is no smoking gun. but the question is whether there is anything maybe one or two layers under a smoking gun.
we don't know the answer to that yet. >> even if the committee can't necessarily confirm a direct link between these extremist groups and the white house, they can show that there was some connection. >> sure they can. and the odds of finding a direct link, a direction from the president to a member of the oath keepers likely does not exist. but you don't have to have a direct link in a criminal trial, which this is not.. but you allow people to draw conclusions. right now you have, look at the testimony from cassidy hutchinson which she makes it clear that trump new the crowd was armed which he allegedly sent there. and the role they intended to play. that alone would be highly damaging. >> it would be interesting to see leasing the excerpt from the
white house counsel if he spoke about it during the sworn testimony. jeffrey, steve bannon's offer to testify, a desperate hail mary just before his criminal contempt trial? >> yes. and i hail mary that failed, because we know that there was a big hearing before the judge in the case. bannon asked for a delay of his trial which is supposed to start next week. the judge denied that. the judge denied most of his requests for witnesses for sideshows, for chaos. and which is clearly a strategy that bannon has been following. but he's got to face the music. and it looks like it will happen next week, and it's actually a very simple case which is, did he get a subpoena? did he respond? did he produce the document that he was supposed to? the answer appears to be no. that trial should take about two days as far as i could tell
and bannon has failed so far to make it more complicated than the prosecutors wanted to be. >> jeffrey tobin. andrew mccabe. thank you very much. and an important out to viewers, stay with cnn for investigations of steve bannon and his master plan to try to reshape the u.s. government and the republican party. the cnn special report, divided we fall begins this coming sunday night 8 p.m. eastern. just had, will have more on the generally six investigation from a key member of the select committee, republican condiment adam kinsinger. he standing by live to join me in the situation room, plus present biden is on the defensive right now as he prepares for a crucial visit to saudi arabia. the country he once promised not to have long ago to make a pariah. feel the rush of performance at the lexus golden opportunity sales event.
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joe biden leaves tomorrow and will be closely scrutinized trip to the middle east quitting stops in israel, the west bank, and most controversially, saudi arabia. our senior white house correspondent is joining us now the white house is strongly defending the president's trip which includes a meeting with
the saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman. what are you learning? >> what else officials it's a critical moment the first trip to the middle east to the u.s. role in an extra neri consequential strategic region. region that has become even more acutely radical over the course of the last several months in the wake of russia's invasion of ukraine. as you mentioned, the present will be making three stops, israel, the west bank and saudi arabia and in all three, that we focused on regional stability economic and national security in the region as well with multiple proposals and a myriad of meetings between joe biden and world leaders. as you noted, the trip that everyone has their eyes on is when he arrives in jeddah where he will have a bilateral meeting with the king and crown prince. a group of people or a country that the prison said he wanted to make a pariah state during the 2020 campaign. jake sullivan, the white house national security advisor said the president doesn't regret those remarks and has more walk
them back him but does understand the strategic realities of the moment asked if that meant that human rights were taking a backseat, this is what he said >> america values, human rights are a strategic interest in the unites states, so is energy security and stopping terrorism. so is seeking peace in a place like yemen. so we are trying to do multiple things all at once, advance along a different track and as i said before, the basic thrust and purpose of our policy with respect to saudi arabia has been to recalibrate the relationship but not rupture it. stay true to that from the beginning of this administration. >> the urgency of the recalibration is certainly been more noticeable in the last several months as gas prices have soared and a demonstration officials have tried behind the scenes to urge saudi arabia and other numbers, countries of opec plus to increase production that will be a focus of the visit to saudi arabia, but as sullivan said, not the sole focus as to whether or not the resin will have a photo taken to the crown prince even
shaking hands with them, sullivan said he would get into the details of the aspect of the trip. >> will find out later in the week when he's there in jeddah, saudi arabia. thank you very much. let's get more on all of the spirit joining us now, for read zakaria, the host of gps. the president defended the trip in a washington post op-ed which all of us read. it was published over the weekend and among other things, he wrote this, let me read a line or two. i know that there are many that is agree with my decision to travel to saudi arabia. my views are human rights and fundamental freedoms are always on the agenda when i travel abroad. that certainly sounds like a prison that knows he's being accused of hypocrisy. >> exactly. this is a problem of his own making. he's said things on the campaign trail either to appease a certain constituency within the party or to sound
tougher than trump and a greater upholder of human rights. i understand all that, but it was foolish rhetoric. the truth of the matter is the united states should be talk to everyone. if you remember, during the obama primary campaign, obama was asked, would you meet with the president of iran, and he said, look, the whole point of diplomacy is you want to meet with everyone. you want to talk to everyone. that was the administration that joe biden was vice president in. it feels to me like the idea of meeting with and talking to the man who was running arguably your single biggest strategic ally in the middle east outside of israel should not be a controversial thing. but it became controversial really only because joe biden said those things that he did in the campaign trail. he is now having to unwind a mistake he did and that always is awkward.
>> as a candidate, he accused the crown prince of saudi arabia mohammed bin salman of actually ordering the murder, the murder of jamal khashoggi. what message will send if we wind up seeing a handshake a one-on-one conversation between these two leaders? >> i think it sends the message that the united states has a complicated set of interests in the world and that you sometimes have to deal with people who are on certain dimensions very morally problematic. there is a scenario in which present biden is going to have to meet with vladimir putin again. pollutant has the death of many more people than one journalist. and yet, if we could achieve a durable stable peace with ukraine's sovereignty recognized and restored, what i argue in favor of that meeting? of course. and again, american presidents
have done this kind of thing many, many times in the past. >> saudi arabia looks like it's about to get a win the visit from the president of the united states, but is the present going to get any real concrete results from this trip? >> i think that is the really important issue their which is what is, we haven't talked through it as far as i can tell one of the largest strategic issues with trying to get this sorted out here it's all been about this will he shake hands, will he not? but we have to try to get from saudi arabia, an end to the war in yemen which is a pointless war which now is just before ukraine it certainly was the greatest humanitarian tragedy in the world. a 10% of the country was on the verge of starvation. and if you were to try and tamp down the sip terry and divide that yemen is just part of, throughout the middle east, this sunnis versus shiites,
iranian backed militias versus saudi supported regimes. all of that is tearing the middle east apart from syria, iraq. lebanon, yemen, and then some progress on the israeli- palestinian issue with the saudi's playing a particularly important role because they now are talking to both sides. in a way and have influence with both sides in a way that they have them. those are sort of the largest strategic issues and then of course there is the issue of oil. saudi arabia has traditionally been very supportive of american demands and wishes or requests on oil. i don't think they have as much spare capacity as they think, but it is certainly true that if there is one country in the world that could change the dynamic on the supply of oil, it is saudi arabia. >> we will see if that changes. thank you very much. coming up, my interview with a key member of the january sixth
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americans are about to get another window into the events leading up to january sixth and the events of january sixth as the house select committee holds its seventh hearing tomorrow. joining us now, one of two republicans on the panel comes when adam kinsinger of illinois, constant, thanks so much for joining us, and zoloft and the committee member says the
committee will be connecting the dots between extremist groups and people in government. to those dots connect up to the former president trump? >> good to be with you. i'll have to save all of that funder for tomorrow and as we lay out the case in front of people to show them just how close and bad january sixth was. even more importantly that they is what led to it. and what has been done since the change, the answer is not much. it will be an impactful hearing. we will let the facts speak themselves. if you look at all the hearings up to this point, it is been mostly republicans appointed by president trump making the case on our behalf. >> we expect to hear excerpts from former white house counsel pat cipollone taped web -- seven our interview that you did with him the day. will he shed light specifically on trumps action or inaction during the generous six attack?
>> again, on tomorrow, i will have to leave those details to during the actual hearing tomorrow, but as it is been reported, we've had quite a bit of time with pat cipollone, he was cooperative. he did nothing to contradict any of our prior witnesses and in fact, he has helped to bolden, and bolden some of the facts we've artie gotten to be a second and third source to those. so we continue to get this is the thing, it's big names like pat cipollone and things, but we continue get more information every day. this is just more more people come forward either they've been kind of guilt that into it or they had it trip of conscience where they say i need to tell the truth, or maybe they were threat, or maybe they were part of something that happened that they think is important that maybe they didn't prior. this is an investigation as it continues on. >> cnn learned that the select committee, your committee won't be holding another hearing on thursday. he reports that you are planning on doing that as well. that it supposedly had been
under consideration. why the delay? >> so it will be next week. and because we just keep getting more and more information with obviously the meeting with pat cipollone, the discussion and the stuff that comes in every day, we just figured that it's probably better to do this next week with more of that information presented before the american people. we will specifically the doing -- talking about on top of other things, what was the president doing during the 187 minutes the capital was under attack? we will tell you a quick spoiler alert, not much. merrick and people need to see exactly what a man who swore to protect and defend the constitution all branches of the government was doing during that time. and so it would be nice to do it thursday, but we figured it's probably better to do it next week so we can incorporate more information for people. >>'s he does need a little more time to prepare. what will be the thrust, the major theme of the hearing next thursday? or next week i should say. >> again, it will be, some of it will be wrapping up what we
learned so far. but it will be looking at the actual attack where was the president during that time we've had little bits of previews on that, people saying that he was in the oval office and television was on, et cetera, we will have more details of that backed up by more facts. and a lot of these facts come in fact most of them were put forward by republican appointees, trump appointees, and then i think specifically looking at what is the presence actions during that time or lack of action, how did that contribute to accelerating violence? so this is important to put out in front of people. and look, all we want, this is an about politics to me. this is about how do we have accountability for an attempted coup on the u.s. government, because we can never have that again. we can never have that again. whatever it takes power one day or the next, that is all fleeting comets temporary, i've been in congress for 12 years would been under different presidents and leaderships, that changes your quit doesn't change is when the fabric of
the constitution is violated unless we have accountability. >> you tell us what day this hearing will take place. >> that's been decided, i don't want to get in front of the committee. it will be next week. i'm looking forward to it. i have a role in it. it will be interesting to put that in front of the american people. they can look at that an open mind and make our decision. i think you can take the information come to any other conclusion, but donald trump created a chance to overthrow an election and that violated everything that we hold dear in this constitution. >> we will look over to the hearing tomorrow and in the hearing next week as well and congressman adam kinsinger, thanks so much for joining us. we really appreciated. >> you bet. see you pierced the select committee prepares to hold the seventh hearing tomorrow. miguel marquez travel to wisconsin to see how the overall investigation is
playing in the heartland. >> summer in green bay. >> the committee will be in order. washington dc and the congressional hearings investigating the january sixth insurrection feel 1 million miles away. >> the storm the capital. that's what happened. they went in, the climate through windows, and they rummage through offices and they did what they did. what more do i need to know about the fact that what occurred occurred? >> some democrats watching closely. >> some the testimony that's come out has been a little bit more in-depth then i had been aware of. >> with so many hot button issues, gun violence, inflation. abortion rights, and others, the january sixth hearings, even for those concerned pierced an where it is generally six and those hearings fit on the priority list for you? >> on the bottom rung.
>> it's lost in the shuffle? >> don course is a republican that voted for donald trump twice and would vote for him again. >> if it is more of a distraction. what the real reason is is why the january sixth hearings are going on, i think it is beyond what we are seeing. superficially. >> mark becker was chair of the brown county republicans. he left the party as trump rose to power. >> how important are the january sixth hearings and the investigations that's happening? >> i think right now with the way the world is right now, it is not as important as it should be. i think in 10 years, we will look back at this and say that was a big deal appear that was a really big deal. what do you mean? >> it was a coup attempt. >> and even some progressive democrats. adrian a polka look says she can
do something here and now about abortion rights. but january sixth peers >> we can't do anything about that. but what we can do is something in our community immediately to save lives. >> rick bever stein seems a rarity here are conservative and hang close attention to the january six hearing. >> democracy is what is at stake . >> is take, all are current problems won't be solved of trust and democracy isn't restored. >> we have huge issues. in our country. but we don't have a country if we can't come together. we don't have a country to solve these issues if we can't reconcile who is in charge and how they got there. >> miguel marquez. cnn greenberry wisconsin. >> just ahead, we are learning new details about a new push to bring bernie greiner home. another american in prison, will they finally see freedom
we are learning details of new efforts tonight to try to secure the release of two americans being held by russia wnba star bernie greiner and former u.s. marine paul whelen. brian todd is working the story for us. one of the most experienced u.s. diplomats in these kinds of situations is now expected to take action. >> that's right. richardson, former u.s. ambassador to the un is expected to travel to russia in
the coming weeks to try to work a deal. which is and has a track record of being able to get americans freed from the tension inside rogue countries. at this situation will test every bit of his skill. between american basketball star bernie greiner may soon have another champion negotiating for her freedom. bill richardson, the former governor of new mexico and former ambassador to the one who negotiate the release of many declined americans is expected to travel to russia in the coming weeks. hoping to make a deal for greiner and fellow american detainee paul whelen. according to a source familiar with the matter. could his trip give new momentum to a deal? >> i think would be a good sign, but again, he holds the cards as to how the negotiations will go. the speed, the terms, et cetera. >> richardson helped win the release from russia of trevor reed, the former u.s. marine convicted of assaulting russian police. in april, he was traded for a russian convicted in the u.s. of drug smuggling. richardson's office the client a comment, but he has previously told cnn rushes exchange for weed was a good
omen. >> they were ready to deal. this is good news for britney greiner. >> jake sullivan said the white house has been in touch with richardson but has also been working on its own track. >> joe biden is laser focused on a government to government solution. >> it pled guilty to possessing cannabis oil when she arrived in russia in february. one russian jailed in the u.s. for whom the kremlin may want to trade, victor boot, a notorious arms dealer nicknamed the merchant of death. >> whether it's conceived as a air exchange, a convicted arms dealer for a basketball player with a minor drug charge is up to the biden administration, but i'm pretty sure that is what the russians will ask for. >> paul whelen sister told cnn about a phone call she received recently from joe biden. >> he was really reassuring that so much effort was being made on their behalf, it really
meant the world to my family. >> an intense public pressure campaign continued at the wnba all-star game on abc. the players all wore the jersey name and number and she was featured as an honorary all- star. her wife had expressed frustration with the biden administration for the continued detention, but on friday, she voiced support after biden replied to the letter to him. >> i believe every word that she said to him, he understood and he sees her as a person and he has not forgotten or which was her biggest cry in her letter. >> if a deal for britney greiner and/or paul whelen was made, security experts say they do have a broader concern that a deal like that could embolden other rogue regimes to nab an american on dubious charges and imprison them to get something that could put many other americans abroad in danger of
the >> let's hope these two are released and released soon. thank you very much. and welcome a new details about a 77 minute surveillance video of the ubaldo texas school shooting that left 19 children and two teachers dead. we have the latest, joining from san antonio right now. there's growing pressure for officials to make this video public one journalist who actually did view it describes the images as wrenching. >> and he also talks about how all you see are officers arming themselves, preparing themselves, but yet they are all just standing around as we now know the gunmen is inside the classrooms shooting. killing the students. some of them laid their injured, the big question obviously is whether or not any of those lives could've been saved had police gone in sooner there's growing growing
pressure now on the state officials and local officials to release this video for the families or the community, all putting pressure on local elected officials as well as the governor as well as state investigators and they could potentially see this video and they are trying to work something out with the video could be made public, perhaps in the next 10 days or so. the other thing is of course the investigators want the families to see this video first before it is made public. so that is something that perhaps will be arranged. this is all happening as the community in evolving and family numbers are all putting pressure on local leaders calling on people to vote and change the elected leaders, they want the police department leadership change, they want the school leadership change, we are starting to really see the community in evolving unite and get together to try to for some kind of action because school is starting soon and we
are just weeks away from school starting and many of them are really afraid to send the kids back to school. >> for good reason thanks very much. >> thank you very much. coming up, new details on the assassination of former japanese demonstrations zola bay including how the suspected gunmen allegedly learned to build his own homemade gun. and where he may have tested the creation before the shooting. as a main street bank, pnc has helped over 7 million kids develop their passion for learning through our grow up great initiative. and now, we'reroviding billions of dollars for affordable home lending programs...
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now about the alleged planning that went into the assassination which has stunned a nation where gun violence of any kind is extremely rare. the national correspondent is in tokyo for s. >> reporter: the body of the former prime minister arrived for a funeral ceremony. flowers, pause and pray. almost unheard of and they struggle to comprehend. >> i'm still so shocked. why did this happen to japan? >> reporter: answering that begins the alleged assassin. the 41-year-old planned for weeks ahead of the shooting. police recovered multiple handmade pistols and crude weapons made from iron pipe and adhesive tape. they told police they built them by watching youtube videos.
days ahead of the murder they are citing police sources saying they practiced a shooting in the mountains. they also recover wooden boards with bullet holes in the suspect's car. they practice shooting against a building. as he began his speech on the streets, standing with the crowd and listening. next time we see him -- two shots were fired. tackling them to the ground with his homemade gun. he held a grudge against a group he believes the farmer prime minister had ties to. the group has not been named by cnn. the local media report says his mother was involved with the group. the family federation for world piece widely known as the unification church held a news conference telling reporters that the church did have a tied
to the suspects mother. she was a member of the church. we struggled to understand why the suspect killed him due to any resentment during the organization. he acknowledged he was aware that the suspects mother had financial difficulties around 2002. the church pledged to cooperate with police. a towering political figure at home. a country begins to bid farewell. >> reporter: it is tuesday morning here in tokyo. the prime minister scheduled to take place in just four hours.
they continued to gather until they can lay flowers and pray. we have seen flowers being left and including an out with a caption that said thank you prime minister. >> thank you very much. fire crews are trying to save sequoia trees from a devastating blaze. we are getting video of a massive ukrainian attack against a stockpile. coming in on this situation. ♪ ♪
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contain. it's threatening a growth of about 500 giant sequoia's. some more than 2000 years old. the sprinkler system used will dampen the ground around some of the most famous trees. the senior international correspondent. what are you learning about these major blasts in southern ukraine? >> reporter: we are getting multiple reports of huge explosions in this russian occupied town in the south of the country. pretty far behind the front lines and the ukrainian official is claiming that the russians have a ammunition depot in this town and it has now been destroyed and he is urging residents to stay indoors and stay away from the
impact site. meanwhile an official in the russian occupation administration of this town -- she is claiming that this was actually an attack by the ukrainians using an american weapons system with high mobility rocket systems. that's what she claims. that's what is being done in this attack. we can't independently confirm any of this except the second time in four days that this russian occupied town has been hit. the conflict in the east of the country has been this war of attrition where they have relied on their overwhelming artillery to make advances to capture most of the eastern region. here in the south the conflict is not nearly as intense but the ukrainians have been saying they are going to try to
capture back russian -controlled territory. they made some small advances in the course of the last month. in the meantime -- it does seem they are using a longer-range weaponry to the effect today. we heard the blast while watching kids skateboarding in a skate park. they didn't even stop for a second and kept on skating. >> thank you for watching. up next the wildcard. he's going to testify before the committee. will it happen and will he turned the proceedings into a total circus? zeroing in on the direct ties to extremists. the age-old boy who was paralyzed after being shot in the july 4th shooting is undergoing surgery. we will have an update on his condition tonight. never before seen image. coming in out