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and the future gop. as republican governors prepare for a world without roe, republican candidates are looking more and more like donald trump. arkansas governor asa hutchinson joins me in moments. plus, the party in power. americans feel burnt out over the state of the country as november's midterm elections take shape, do democrats have a winning message? i'll speak to the newly minted democratic nominee for governor josh shapiro, ahead. good morning. i'm dana bash in washington where the state of our union is feeling anxious. president biden is in japan on his first trip to asia after taking office. as he tries to focus on his international agenda, problems are piling up back home. the first anes from "operation fly formula" arrive today as the administration scrambles to get baby formula back onto u.s. shelves. but the white house still has not offered a time frame for when families would begin to see the effects of these measures. anyone watching their 401(k)
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friday might have regretted looking as the markets continue their longest selloff in decades, dipping briefly into bear market territory and increasing concerns for some that the u.s. could be heading towards a recession. americans are already dealing with inflation and soaring gas prices and if that's not enough, covid-19 cases are rising again across the country, and president biden said this morning, everyone should be concerned about monkeypox. and it's not a climate that makes governing very easy, especially five months away from the midterm elections. here with me to discuss all of this is the president's top economic adviser, the director of the national economic council, brian deese. thank you for coming in this morning. let's start with the s&p 500 dipping into the bear market territory on friday. it did rebound slightly. the dow just experienced its longest losing streak. is the u.s. falling into a recession?
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>> it's a risk. our economy is in a transition from what has been the strongest recovery in modern american history to what could be stable and resilient growth. there's no doubt we face serious global challenges, inflation first and foremost among them, and it's hitting families hard. but there's also no doubt that the united states is in a better position than any other major country around the world to address inflation without giving up all the economic gains we've had. that's because of the strength of our recovery. we have the strongest job market. we have businesses investing. we have americans actually increasing their savings and -- >> given all that, are you confident that the u.s. can avoid a recession?
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>> in this transition, the united states is in a better place than any other country because of those strengths. if you think about where we have come from, we have navigated through delta and omicron. we've navigated through the gyrations coming from putin's war in ukraine. and still the american consumer, the american business has been resilient through this period. and so if we keep our focus on bringing inflation down in a way that actually helps families -- >> but you're not saying no? >> look, there are always ricks but we feel very good about where the united states is, particularly when you look on the global landscape. >> let's talk about inflation. it is still near the highest levels in four decades. i want to play what president biden said about this issue almost a year ago compared to what he's saying now. >> by the way, talk of inflation. the overwhelming consensus, it's going to pop up a little bit and then go back down. i want every american to know i'm taking inflation is he seriously. >> how did the administration get that so wrong? >> a lot of things have changed over the course of the last year and we've dealt with a lot of unexpected challenges. the delta wave of covid, omicron on top of that. more recently, putin's invasion
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of ukraine which has sent gyrations through global energy markets. what's most important for the american people to understand right now is they have a president who is making clear, as you just played, that inflation is his top economic priority. that means a couple of things. first, we need to give the fed the space and the independence to do its job, which is to get inflation under control. second, we need to lower costs for families, make things more affordable for them during this economic transition. third, we need to reduce the federal deficit. if we reduce the federal deficit, we'll help reduce price progress on the economy. we can do more. >> let me ask you about two specific things that would get to the second thing you mentioned about lower costs for consumers. number one, the federal gas task. would you implement a federal gas tax holiday, yes or no? >> we're look at every option. that's something congress needs to take up. >> the president would have to -- not would have to, but if the administration wants t he
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could announce that's something he wants. >> look, we're working with congressional leaders on a range of different options. the president is open to anything that could constructively move to help bring relief at the pump. >> including that. >> he's taken historic action, to be clear. we're releasing a million barrels a day. countries around the world are doing the same because the country has led. that helped blunt the impact of oil prices. >> so the gas tax holiday is on the table. >> look, any option that could constructively move us. >> let's talk about another option. rolling back trump's tariffs on china. >> that's another thing we're actively looking at. that goes to a broader question of how we can make trade internationally work for american families and american consumers. the president's in asia right now, and tomorrow will be launching something called the indo-pacific economic framework. this is designed to focus on those economic issues that would matter most for american families. supply chains. this framework will help us build more resilient early
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warnings for supply chains. one of the reasons why prices have gone up so much is we've seen these supply chain disruptions that then mean americans have to pay more at the store or online. we can solve those types of sues, that's what the president will be talking about tomorrow. >> let's talk about baby formula, speaking of supply chain. 45% of baby formula products nationwide were out of stock at some point last week. at least four babies in south carolina have been hospitalized because of complications due to this shortage. when will baby formula be available to americans in the way they need? >> because of the actions we're taking right now, we'll see more formula coming off factory lines -- >> when? >> and more formula in stores starting as early as this week. >> when will we get to normalcy? >> well, as you mentioned, there is a flight that left last night from ramstein air force base in germany full of formula that will land in indiana this morning. specialty medical grade formula,
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the type we most need. just in that plane alone. that will cover 50% of the national volume we need for that. more flights coming in early this week. we'll keep ramping that up until we get there. it's going to take a little bit of time for the abbott, the manufacturer to bring its facility -- >> what is that ballpark? >> the ceo this morning in "the washington post" said they would have that operation running back in about a month. we're not going to wait that long. as i said, these planes that are landing right now are going to provide some incremental relief in the coming days. we'll keep working on it over the course of the weeks. >> i have to ask, people watching are probably wondering, as we all are, how do we get to the point where the united states of america has to air lift baby formula from another country in order to feed its children? >> it's a reasonable question and it's frustrating. i'm a parent.
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we look and say, nothing could be more important than the health and safety of our babies. we have to take safety very seriously. part of what happened here is we had a manufacturer that wasn't following the rules and making formula that had the risk of making babies sick. so, we have to take action on that front. there's a bigger root to your question, which is how did we end up in a market where we have three companies that control 90% of the market? it goes back to this question of how we can bring more competition in our economy, have more providers of this formula so no individual company has this much control over supply chains. and we're going to have to work on that. there's some big questions that we'll have to get under. >> brian deese, director of the national economic council, thanks for coming in. appreciate it. democratic candidates are facing voters worried about what we were talking b the economy. they're tired of covid. what's their best argument? i'll ask a democrat who just won his primary coming up. plus, oklahoma moves to ban nearly all abortions from the moment of fertilization. how many other states will do the same? arkansas republican governor asa hutchinson joins me next.
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welcome back to "state of the union." oklahoma passed a bill to outlaw abortion after the moment of fertilization, except in cases of rape, incest or the life of the mother. here with me now is governor of arkansas, republican asa hutchinson. thank you for joining me this morning. we talked about oklahoma a lot this week. got a lot of attention for banning abortion. as i said, starting at fertilization. governor, in 2019 you signed a
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law in arkansas that would do the same if roe v. wade is overturned. and your law only s exceptions for the life of the mother. so, just want to be clear. if roe v. wade is overturned, no woman, unless her life is at risk, will be able to get an abortion in arkansas? >> if roe versus wade is reversed, the trigger law in arkansas would come into effect. and whenever i signed that law, i did express that i support the -- also the exceptions of rape and incest. the life of the mother and rape and incest are two exceptions i believe should have been added that did not have the support in the general assembly. and so we have to wait and see what the supreme court actually does, but if that roe versus wade is reversed, then what we've fought for for 40 years and returning the authority back to the states will actually happen, you'll see states making different decisions based upon the values and the consensus of the people of that state. in arkansas, we actually passed a constitutional amendment supporting the life of the unborn and recognizing that. and so the will of the people of arkansas has been expressed. >> governor, you did sign the law that does not include any exceptions for rape and incest. i know you said that you
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didn't -- you would rather that that not be part of the law, but it is and you signed it. i want to discuss the real world implications of this. for example, why should an 11 or 12-year-old girl who's impregnated by her father or uncle or another family member be forced to carry that child to term? >> i agree with you. i've had to deal with that particular circumstance even as governor. and while it's still life in the womb, life of the unborn, the conception was under criminal circumstances, either incest or rape. and so those are two exceptions i recognize, i believe, are very appropriate.
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and what will happen as time goes on ifoe versus wade is reversed, these are going to become very real circumstances. >> yes. >> i think the debate and discussion will continue and that could very well be revisited. >> governor, what if it can't be? you wanted the legislature in arkansas to put those exceptions in. they didn't. your term is almost up. what makes you think you can change it? and if you can't, that means that people who are -- women -- girls who are still children, 11
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and 12-year-olds, might be in this situation, in a very real way in just a couple of months potentially. >> those are heartbreaking circumstances. in the last few years when we passed these trigger laws, we're expressing a belief. we're trying to return that authority to the states and to reduce abortions, but whenever you see real life circumstances like that, debate is going to continue and the will of the people may or may not change, but it's going to come back to the states' flexibility on that. i believe those exceptions are going to be important overall to save lives because the public understands those exceptions, the importance of it. it will be revisited. there's no guarantee of it but the public opinion matters whenever you come to your elected representatives. >> i want to ask broadly about the responsibility of men here. right now a woman or a girl who has an unplanned pregnancy, if she wants get support from the man who impregnated here she has to seek him out, prove paternity
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and then convince a judge to rule in her favor. that all can take years and it puts the burden on the mother. are you going to change the system in arkansas to hold men equally responsible for the children they're bringing into the world? >> they should be held equally responsible, in terms of paternity responsibility, child support, absolutely that should happen. and if we can speed up the system to be able to accomplish that, absolutely we should do that. and we talked about the different circumstances, the state has a responsibility to help in terms of maternal health
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care, in terms of the child. maybe in these circumstances, making sure there's the assistance that that's needed. we need to have wrap-around services if there are those unexpected pregnancies that are traumatic or challenging. >> arkansas already struggles to support vulnerable children. nearly 1 in 4 children in arkansas lives in poverty. more than 4,600 kids are already in your state's overloaded foster care system. do you really think that your state is prepared to protect and care for even more children if abortion does become illegal there? >> we've had historic challenges with poverty. but you're talking about access to health care. under my leadership we included medicaid expansion so we improved health care in our state. we've increased the support for foster parents and foster children. that's been a high priority. we're addressing those needs. obviously there's always opportunity to do more. and we have to address this issue with compassion because
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the difficult circumstances and the fact you're dealing with the most vulnerable of our population. so, absolutely, we need to continue to address the issues you just spoke about and to make sure we're providing good answers and support that's needed. >> governor, let's talk about the state of the republican party. on tuesday pennsylvania republicans nominated doug mastriano, was at the capitol on the grounds on january 6th. you're chairman of the national governors association. you're an outspoken critic of the gop's election lies. does the prospect of him becoming governor in pennsylvania alarm you? >> well, what's important is that a candidate for governor of every state run on the future and problem-solving. the issue is going to be the
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inflation and the cost of gasoline. it's going to be crime that we're struggling with across the country. if you spend your time dealing with the past and the election results of the last year, then you're not going to be in good position. you've got to focus on the future. i expect our candidates to do this. whenever your previous interview talked about the shortage of baby formula. we could have more shortages this fall. whenever you're looking at inflation, a large challenge with the inflationary cost is increase supply chain and the difficulty of the supply side. we have to be able to focus that and our candidates need to focus on that in the fall. if we do, party of ideas, we'll win this fall and i think we're
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in good position to do that. >> yes or no, should doug mastriano be the governor of pennsylvania? >> well, i hope our republican wins in november. it's all going to be about the contrast. there's a lot of issues at stake here. so, let's see how the campaign progresses and we talk about the future and i really hope he does. >> i appreciate you coming on and talking about these very important issues. >> allight. thank you. good to be with you. and pennsylvania's governor's race this november really could be critical to the presidential election in 2024. we'll tell you why. we'll talk to the democratic candidate in that race, josh shapiro, next. ♪ pop rock music ♪ >> tech: ...we can replace your windshield and recalibrate your advanced safety system. >> dad: looks great. thanks. >> tech: stay safe with safelite. schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energin just two weeks! (sighs wearily) here i'll take that! (excited yell) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. with thirty grams of protein, one gram of sugar, and nutrients to support immune health. from prom dresses
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welcome back to "state of the union." the commonwealth of pennsylvania was key to president biden's victory in 2020 so it's seen as a bellwether for midterms. when josh shapiro faces off against gop candidate doug mastriano who won on a pro-trump platform, including support for the big election lie. here with me now for his first national interview is pennsylvania's democratic nominee for governor, josh shapiro. thank you so much for joining me. let's start with the economy. gas prices in pennsylvania are at a record high. inflation is through the roof. parents across the country are struggling to find baby formula. your party is in power. do you think that president biden and democrats are doing enough to address these very real problems? >> well, i think what's clear is there are national and really global reasons for all the issues you cited. maybe not created by pennsylvania state government,
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but something as governor i'll address. that's why i've put forth a plan to try and help pennsylvanians deal with rising costs. we put this forth a few months ago. making sure that we help seniors stay in their home by doubling what's known as the property tax rent rebate, giving them relief for household goods. getting rid of a whole bunch of nuisance taxes here in pennsylvania like the state cell phone tax which takes over $300 million out of the pockets of pennsylvanians, and give single driver a $250 immediate gas tax rebate to offset the pain at the pump. now, i've called on the pennsylvania legislature to do this right now. they don't have to wait for me to be governor. they can and they, frankly, should provide relief to pennsylvanians right now. they're hurting. they deserve it. as governor i'll deliver it. >> you're understandably talking about what you would do in pennsylvania. would it help you and would you like president biden to come campaign with you? >> look, he's from pennsylvania. i'll welcome him here but i'm focused on running a race here in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, listening to the
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people of washington county not washington, d.c. that's my focus. running a race that's focused on meeting the needs of the good people of pennsylvania. >> you're making abortion access a central focus of your campaign. earlier this month the democratic nominee for senate, john fetterman told my colleague, kasey hunt, he does not support putting any restrictions on abortion. do you agree with that, there should be no restrictions on abortion, including the third trimester of pregnancy? >> here's the reality of what's going to happen in pennsylvania. the next governor will get a bill on his desk to ban abortion, period. and it will be up to the next governor as to whether they will sign it or veto it. my opponent has said he will not only sign it, but he wants to criminalize doctors, jail doctors, who perform abortions. i will veto that bill. in vetoing it, i'll protect pennsylvania law.
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dana, what pennsylvania law says up to 23 weeks a woman can make a decision to have an abortion. i continue to support that. and from week 24 on, if her life or health is at risk in consultation with her doctor, she can have an abortion. my job as governor will be to protect pennsylvania law. that's what i support. >> you talked about your new opponent, doug mastriano. he led the charge on efforts to throw out pennsylvania's 2020 election results. you are the attorney general right now. are there enough safeguards in place to ensure that the 2024 elections would be protected if you lose and doug mastriano is the one who becomes governor? >> well, we know in 2020 we had a free and fair, safe and secure election. dana, i went to court over 40 times when i was sued by the former president and his enablers.
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we won every single time to protect the will of the people and protect the sanctity of the vote. my opponent, mr. mastriano, wants to take us to a divisive and dark place. he openly talked about with the stroke of a pen, being able to do away with voting machines that had votes on it that he didn't agree with. it's very dangerous because here in pennsylvania the next governor will appoint the secretary of state and the governor, and the governor alone, appoints electors based on the will of the people. senator mastriano has made it clear he will appoint the electors based on his belief system. listen, he's essentially saying, sure, you can go vote, but i'll
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pick the winner. that's incredibly dangerous. that's what's at stake in this governor's race. >> you clearly wanted to have the opportunity to say what you're saying and have doug mastriano as your opponent. in fact, your campaign ran an ad, seemed to be designed to boost mastriano with republican voters to ensure that you would face him in november. i want to play a clip. >> he's one of donald trump's strongest supporters. he wants to end vote by mail. and he led the fight to audit the 2020 election. if mastriano wins, it's a win for what donald trump stands for. is that what we want in pennsylvania? >> a columnist for the "philadelphia inquirer," will bunch, accused you of playing with fire. is it irresponsible to boost somebody you've called the most extreme gubernatorial candidate in the country because you think you can beat him? >> dana, it was clear several weeks ago from public polling and private polling that doug mastriano was going to win the republican nomination. that was clear and evident on election night. he won in a landslide. we started the election campaign and demonstrated the clear contrast, the stark differences between he and i. he is extreme and he is dangerous.
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he would ban all abortion and jail doctors who perform it. he was there on january 6th. when the police told him to stop at the barricades, he kept marching. he is someone who wants to overturn not just the last election but has made clear he would pick the winner of the next one. he wants to make it illegal have same-sex marriage in pennsylvania. he thinks climate change is fake. he is a danger. the contrast couldn't be clearer. we got a jump start on the general election and we will continue to point out those clear differences. i've been focused on a future for pennsylvania that growour economy, that improves our schools, that makes sure we have safe community. he's been focused on relitigating the past. he is dangerous and divisive. >> josh shapiro, democratic candidate for governor in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, thank you for joining me this morning. >> thank you, dana. and on tuesday, join us for another busy night of primary election coverage.
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all of the best cnn's reporting and analysis. that's going to start at 7:00 p.m. eastern on tuesday. one race that we'll be watching is georgia's governor's race. it's pitting former vice president mike pence against his boss. what's on the line? we'll talk about it with the panel next. ♪ did you know you can address one of the root causes of aging by targeting all the cells in your body? try tru niagen- researched by the world's top scientific institutions and backed by over 200 scientific studies
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can you win in november? >> absolutely. i didn't get in the race not to win in november. >> i talked to him frequently. he's still all in in this race, i can assure you. >> welcome back to "state of the
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union." this tuesday's primaries bring another test for president trump and his endorsement and question more broadly where the gop is going. my panel is here. i'll start with you, alyssa, what's the answer to that question? >> it turns out the opening and closing message of 2020 is not a winning message in georgia. david perdue is trailing and brian kemp, who is a popular incumbent governor, is both benefiting from incumbency and actually delivering for the state. this past week he announced a deal he cut bringing 7,500 new jobs for an electric vehicle factory to georgia. these are the kind of things georgians care about. donald trump's biggest issue that he's facing is that he's making endorsements based on grievance and his own personal vendettas versus who is electable, a good candidate and able to win in a general elections. >> governors races are often about competency and likability. kemp is competent and likeable.
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david perdue, it's sad here. donald trump cost him his senate seat and now donald trump has not helped him win this governor's race. his career is going to end with two embarrassing losses. good for brian kemp who stayed the course and showed what you can do when you have a real record to run on and you don't have to cow tow to this, be who you are and that authenticity has carried him. >> trump will probably get one victory, the secretary of state in georgia probably will go down and the secretary of state, as we all know, stood up to donald trump when others would not. he will claim that as some type of feather in his cap. at the end of the day, democrats love what's going on. in fact, i want donald trump to come out and tell perdue to run
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as a third party or if you voted for perdue, stay home. we're getting to what the pay-per-view is on all. stacey abrams against herschel walker and governor kemp. all eyes will be on georgia. for democrats we realize, this is so simple, all democrats have to do is win every single state joe biden won and we have 52 states. georgia being a priority. >> it's hard when inflation is on the rise, gas prices -- >> i was facetious when i said with ease. >> i want to tell our viewers you have a new book out, "undelivered: the never heard speeches that would have rewritten history." i'll start with the easiest question, the poll numbers the president is -- >> oh, what a soft ball. >> in all seriousness, 78% say the u.s. is headed in the wrong direction. 78% also say the u.s. economy is in poor condition. you are a communicator, a speechwriter. what is the way the democrats need to be communicating about this? >> sure. i'll start with someone i
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mentioned, the mayor kevin white of boston who once said, don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. president biden is out there, he has a record to run on, he's been successful in creating jobs, historic number, bringing unemployment down an historic number, reducing costs for family but he's not operating in a vacuum. until now he's been operating in a vacuum. he's been for the first year of his presidency, speaking in largely empty rooms, in a weird way, debating himself. now we see what he's up against. he's up against unelected judges, up against republicans who have finally put something forward, if you count what senator from florida as done as putting something forward, so he'll have something to say about what he's done and also something to say about what the alternative is. >> is that going to work? >> sorry, no. the president is where he is at 40% for a reason. look, a couple of months ago he was out begging venezuela and
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iran for oil. now we're begging europe for baby formula. this is real table top stuff for every single american family. and i know it's a midterm and turnouts a little lower but this is the kind of stuff that takes the nonpolitical person, the infrequent voter, and they're looking around going, what happened to america? what happened to the country that i thought we were? you can feel american prestige draining every day. right as we're on this show, there's an air lift of baby formula coming from overseas. this is not a third world country. this is the united states. >> let me also -- i'm sorry. >> no, no. >> let me just also say that, to your point about the denigration and how america is somewhat falling apart, i do think these same voters, to your point about who the man in the room, the man in the room is still donald trump. when you look at what's happening, you may laugh, but you have donald trump elected candidates. that's what this midterm is going to be about. you're going to lose the governor's race -- republicans are going to lose the governor's race in pennsylvania because of the way donald trump interceded. all the way donald trump's imprint, and you cannot forget
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the racism, bigotry, white supremacy, xenophobe yeah that is present every single day in society. i'm thinking about buffalo. you trace that back, what is this new republican party? there's a correlation. baby formula matters but these other things matter as well. >> bakari is not wrong. i actually agree there. >> are we going to commercial break? >> no, stay with us. >> this is a problem the republican party faces. they're going to get dragged down by the trump era and candidates he brought up. i would note that other potential 2024 candidates like vice president mike pence, mike pompeo, have endorsed against the former president. that's going to be an interesting dynamic to watch. is there a new republican party that's stepping up that could be led by someone over other than a donald trump? that can defeat joe biden much
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better. >> i will say to your initial question, dana, yes, it's a communications question, yes, it's a messaging question but the communication tail can't wag the policy dog. what are democrats doing? what is president biden doing? he's solving problems. you say it's terrible this flight of baby formula is coming in but that's something the president is doing in response to a market failure. right now we don't get a lot of coverage for it, but he's working to reduce concentration and things like the baby formula industry or meat packing, which is driving up meat prices for families. he's working to do the job. at a certain point, have you to tell people what you're doing and contrast it to what the others want to do. >> gas is over $4 a gallon. it may be $5 or $6 a gallon. >> yeah, where are you, scott? >> i thought we were on baby formula, scott. >> yeah. when you're out driving from store to store paying $5 a gallon, it doesn't feel very good. >> your point falls on deaf ears when you have 132 republicans who voted against -- >> this bill was a bailout for
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the fda for the same people who failed to actually deal with the abbott recall. >> at least we do understand it's a market failure. it's not a joe biden failure. >> i'm sorry. you want this to be about donald trump. you want this to be the house is on fire and joe biden's out here with a tiny fire extinguisher. at the end of the day, you know midterms are about a referendum on the current state on the party in power. none of the people at this table can say the democratic party is doing anything about the problems of the american people when it comes to inflation, gas prices, baby formula and the idea that america is no longer the light of the -- >> that's not true. you just were complaining about us shipping in baby formula. >> the fact we have to. >> joe biden is not in the back mixing baby formula. >> who shut down the factory? >> it had to be shut down. >> it had to be shut down. >> it was a massive failing of
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the fda. >> what company had zero redundancy in their supply chain? >> biden administration's shut down the factory. >> these are structural problems. the president doesn't have a silver bullet but he is firing a silver buck shots. >> firing blanks. >> at problem and problem and problem. >> before we go, really quickly, you mentioned buffalo. jim clyburn had a really stunning quote in "the washington post." he said, i thought in difficult times this, too, shall pass. i'm not too sure anymore. i'm really not. the country is in danger of imploding. democracy is in danger of disintegrating. maybe autocracy of the future. >> i hear scott snickering. in is why we need to teach the history of this country. there's a whole generation that includes jim clyburn and my father. this is very real. i mean, you go from emmett till, these individuals were not killed because they were shopping in the wrong aisle.
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they were killed because they were black. i'm simply saying, there's an entire environment that started by tucker carlson, the right wing, that ferments this type of hate. >> i agree. one thing i will say in the book i have kennedy's final undelivered speech. one thing he says is, not everyone's going to talk sense, but when too many people listen to nonsense, it can undercut america. >> that's an important place to end. we'll talk about this next time. thank you for talking about that. what was it like to spend nearly 1,000 days in a russian prison? a new clip from cnn's exclusive with trevor reed is next. and we'll come to you to fix it. >> tech vo: this customer was enjoying her morning walk. we texted her when we were on our way. she could track us and see exactly when we'd arrive. >> woman: i have a few more minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: we came to her with service that fit her schedule. >> woman: you must be pascal. >> tech: nice to meet you. >> tech vo: we got right to work, with a replacement she could trust. >> tech: we're all set. >> woman: wow. that looks great. >> tech: schedule now at safelite.com.
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american trevor reed is settling back into life at home after spending two years imprisoned in russia. my co-anchor jake tapper sat down with reed and his family for an exclusive interview. >> it is controversial in some circles to do a prisoner swap. people who are not in favor of it say this is just going to incentivize other governments to take americans hostage or prisoner under false charges so as to get their people out of american jails. you don't buy it? >> no. so i'm really glad that you asked me that. and the thing that you have to understand is countries like north korea, russia now, obviously, china, syria, iran, venezuela, countries like that are going to take americans hostage no matter what. and even if they don't receive some type of exchange for those prisoners, they will do that anyway, just out of pure malice. just to show the united states
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we took your citizens. and they're going to continue to do that as long as american citizens travel there. so that whole thing about, well, this is going to incentivize foreign governments to take us hostage, those types of governments need no incentives to take americans hostage. they're always going to do that. the difference, i think, between the united states is, the united states went out and made the ethical decision to exchange prisoners to get their innocent americans out of that country even while exchanging them for someone who is more high-profile and valuable in the united states. so that's what sets the united states apart from these other countries because, you know, the russians, the chinese, venezuelans, iran, syria, north korea, none of them ever in their whole history have or ever would make an exchange for a prisoner who is just an average one of their citizens. they would never do that .
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this is "gps", the global public square. welcome to everyone around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. today on the program, finland and sweden have now officially applied for nato membership. their entry into the alliance would mean russia's border with nato would double in size. is the west provoking vladimir putin again or finally putting in place a strong deterrent? we have a great panel to discuss. then the buffalo shooting suspect was obsessed with the idea that white people are systematically being replaced by other races. he's not alone. why are these demographic fears

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