tv New Day With John Berman and Brianna Keilar CNN January 31, 2022 2:59am-4:00am PST
♪ good morning to viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is monday, january 31st. i'm brianna keilar with john berman. it may very well be one of the most dangerous rallies donald trump has given. the former president speaking to supporters in texas, essentially calling for another insurrection if he ever faces charges in the multiple investigations into him, his business or his coup attempt. >> if these radical, vicious, racist prosecutors do anything wrong or illegal, i hope we are going to have this country the biggest protest we have ever had in washington, d.c., in new york, in atlanta, and elsewhere. because our country and our elections are corrupt.
they're corrupt. >> that is a lie. and to boot, he also brought race into his imaginary sleight. >> one who referred to trump investigating his efforts to overturn the election results in florida asked the fbi to provide security for buildings and staff. now, trump also put out a statement that more or less admitted that he did want pence to overturn the election. joining us now cnn political commentator s.e. cupp and jeffrey toobin. trump did three things over the weekend. i want to discuss each one if we can. number one, the call to arms, the biggest protest he has ever seen. number two, dangled pardons. and number three, the statement where he basically said, yes, i wanted pence to overturn the election results, not that there was any doubt. i want to start with the call for the biggest protest ever which many say, hey, he is
inciting violence in broad daylight >> reporter: it's not necessarily news that donald trump doesn't change, but donald trump doesn't change. the statement is almost identical to what he said right before the riot at the capitol. that, you know, it walks up to the line of calling for violence. the implication is to call for violence. but he doesn't exactly say he's calling for violence. however, his supporters understand exactly what he's saying. and he's calling for violence. so, you know, we've all been warned, and we'll see what happens as he likes to say. >> what do you think, s.e.? >> reporter: well, we know he's very good at turning americans against each other. he did that in his campaign of president in 2015, throughout his presidency, and he is still doing it. we talk a lot about his ego and the need to be adored and see his power in evidence.
but we talk a little less about his affinity for anarchy. part of this is he just loves to see it. he loves to see it burn. he loves breaking with social norms for the sake of it. he loves the disruption. striking a match and watching it burn. we saw that on january 6th. we have seen it a few times. and i think this is more of that. and whether someone gets arrested or injured or killed in the process really isn't his concern. because he's here for the anarchy. that's how little he loves this country. he's willing to break it for his ego but also his desire to watch it fall apart. >> you know, jeffrey, it's also notable that in that statement we just heard, he called the prosecutors racist, which of course the thing that they have in common, each of the three people that he is talking about is they're black. but i don't know, you know, what
you think he's getting at there. >> reporter: i think he is inciting racial division. he is pointing out his prosecutors are black. presumably he's asserting that they are after him because he's white. but i think it's mostly just stirring up his supporters for racial resentment, which is something he's done throughout his career, long before he was president. and i think that's the beginning and end of his agenda. >> he's trying, s.e., to sow a persecution complex, which we've seen. it can be very effective. we are seeing that as part of the strategy not just in this speech but in a number of things that trump and the gop are pursuing to motivate voters. >> well, yeah. part of the cultism of trump, he is the central figure. nothing else matters. including democracy and the
future of the country. and he has to be a victim as much as a strong man. it's a very odd dichotomy. but it's very common to cult leaders and dictators that they are always in the line of fire, these imaginary boogeymen and they need their followers to go off and chase them. but that they are also, right, the strongest guy in the room or, you know, the most powerful person that's ever lived at the same time. it's sort of preposterous, but this is a very common pattern among cult-like figures. >> i want to play a little bit more of what trump said. and this has legalism indications. this is, jeffrey, where he seems to dangle pardons. again, we have been here before. listen. >> if i run and if i win, we will treat those people from january 6th fairly. we will treat them fairly.
and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. because they are being treated so unfairly. >> so not just the moral implication, jeffrey, of pardoning people who stormed the capitol but also the impact on these investigations and prosecutions happening right now. >> reporter: right. this is why it's considered so wrong for presidents to dangle pardons because it changes the nature of the investigation. if you are a defendant who is considering cooperating, who is considering pleading guilty, but then you hear the president of the united states say, well, don't worry, you can just get a pardon later, you think, well, i'll string the process out. i won't cooperate. i won't plead guilty because the president is going to come to my rescue later. now, obviously, no one knows if he's going to be president again. but the possibility of a pardon is something that will have a
material impact on the investigation. and, look, he's done it before, as you pointed out. he pardoned steve bannon. he pardoned all of his cronies at the end of his first term as president. and there's every reason to believe he will pardon more in the future. and that will affect how the current investigation goes. >> what do you think, s.e.? >> reporter: right. and jeffrey is completely right. and that's the legal side. but it's worse -- and, again, to look at trumpism as a cult, you will to look at these people and shake them and say, donald trump doesn't care about you. donald trump doesn't care whether you storm the capitol, get arrested, die in, in fact, all in the service of his name. he didn't bail anyone out of jail for what they did january 6th. he is not paying any of their legal fees. in fact, he is taking donor
money to pay for his legal fees. that goes to the consultism. these people would jump off a bridge if he told them to. this is encouraging them to potentially commit more crimes in his name because in the end he'll be on their side. he won't be. he does not care. he uses his own voters and fans. >> and he isn't, jeffrey, president anymore. there are, as you know, political observers who look and say, actually, donald trump, while he still has a big hold on the power, his power is waning. so i wonder if someone would actually say, oh, this guy can give me a pardon when he is not president? >> reporter: well, that's true. but, you know, he might be. and as someone who has underestimated donald trump politically in the past, i don't want to do it again. you know, he is certainly talking like he's running again. and he may win. but the whole point of not
dangling pardons is that it interferes with the administration of justice. and, you know, yes, it's true he might not be president. but, i mean, again, i think s.e. is so right about this, that it's all about him. and, you know, the tragedy for his supporters, and if you read the interviews with some of the -- the fbi agents' interviews with some of these people arrested on january 6th, some of the people said i wanted to help trump. i thought we were doing what he wanted. and he has done nothing for them, ever, including paying the legal fees of the people closest to him. he doesn't even do that. so, you know, it's -- just because you might not -- he might not become president, it doesn't mean that this isn't an attempt to interfere with the legal system. . >> i just want to read quickly this statement again that the
former -- the defeated former president put out overnight. he is criticizing people calling for reform of the act of 1887 which is a bad law that needs to be cleared up. he said if mike pence had no right to change, how come democrats and rino republicans, like wacky susan collins, are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the change of the results of the election? he said he was trying to overturn the election. >> yeah. there's no sugar coating it. that's what he asked mike pence to do. that is certainly implied here. that is why he is mad at mike pence, because he didn't do what he wasn't supposed to do. and he's not hiding it anymore. it's completely brazen and "out in the open".
he's ended up doing it again. and it just goes -- and jeff can talk about the legal part of this. you know, i guess, it's a little complicated. but i cannot imagine if this person gets to be president again, what a failure of our legal system and doj and everyone else in a position -- i mean, if this guy can't get charged with something after being twice impeached, abusing his power over and over again, possibly criming while president and maybe after, inciting an insurrection, saying out loud he wants to overturn democratic elections, what is to stop any future president from doing all of this again? what is the difference between having a president and a king if you get away with stuff like this? i think to the average person the non-legal scholar or constitutional scholar, it seems
insane that he hasn't been charged with something yet. >> yeah. especially when we have seen a lot of charges, just not when it comes to him directly. s.e. and jeffrey, thanks to both of you. the matchup for super bowl lvi is set. the bengals will face the rams after a pair of thrilling conference championship games. good football has just been the name of the game lately. >> reporter: brianna, we have been so spoiled leading up to super bowl lvi. it has been incredible. what a turnaround for the senate bengals. they won just two games two seasons ago. they had the worst record in the league. but they got joe burrow. we should have all known the bengals were going to win the game when burrow showed up to the stadium like this. but they needed a huge comeback to get it done. 21-3 at one point.
ja'marr chase for the touchdown. two-point conversion ties the game. the game would end up going to ove overtime. this time around the rule would not cause an uproar. mahomes is going to throw an interception, the second of the game. burrow led the bengals down the field. 22-year-old mcpherson wins it. after years of being the joke of the nfl, cincinnati beats the chiefs, 27-24, going to their first super bowl in 33 years. >> i think if you would have told me before the season that we would be going to the super bowl, i probably would have called you crazy. but we played a whole season. nothing surprises me now. i know the kind of guys we have and the team that we have. there's still one left. we're excited about this one. but we'll celebrate tonight and then move on. >> reporter: the rams tried everything they could to keep 49ers fans out of sofi stadium, but it didn't work. there was a sea of red in the
stands. and those fans cheered them on to a 17-7 lead to start the first quarter. stafford to cup got them within three. former lions quarter back take the lead. a little over a minute to go. jimmy garoppolo under pressure. going to throw an interception. rams finally beat the 49ers after losing six in a row. 20-17 the final. we got the super bowl set, guys. february 13th in l.a. we went 54 super bowls without having a team host one. the bunks won last year. now we have the rams. four-point favorites over the bengals. but hard to bet against joe burrow, right? >> yeah. and i'm just curious to see if that black turtleneck get-up becomes a thing. is that a thing that is adopted widely. >> it exudes confidence, i'll tell you that. . >> it says to me, i can win a super bowl and show you my
etchings. just saying. >> wait. what does that mean? >> it's a '70s thing. come look at my etchings. >> i don't know about the '70s. >> reporter: before my time. >> bell bottoms, turtlenecks. all right. >> reporter: you lost us, john. sorry. >> in the commercial break, we're going to get to the bottom of that. all right. overnight, joe rogan responding to the backlash over the spread of covid misinformation on his pod podcast. the promise he made to his listeners. and the shocking details of a former pageant queen after she jumped from her new york city high-rise. breaking news, new cnn reporting how close kamala harris was to the pipe bomb planted at the dnc.
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breaking news this morning. cnn has brand-new details how close vice president-elect kamala harris was to a pipe bomb planted outside the democratic national committee headquarters, the same day as the january 6th capitol insurrection last year. now, cnn previously had reported that harris was evacuated minutes after the pipe bomb was discovered. but multiple sources now reveal she was inside the dnc for nearly two hours before this pipe bomb was found. right to cnn's whitney wild with the breaking new details. that's not the only new thing we have learned, whitney. it is how close the vice president-elect came to this. >> reporter: absolutely. so let me take you back to january 5th, 2021. sometime between 7:30 and 9:00 p.m., january 5th, a suspect, still at large, planted a pipe bomb right here outside the dnc. just a few feet from where i'm standing. that is just a few yards from where kamala harris entered the
dnc 11:25 a.m. january 6th with her motorcade. brianna, she came yards from this pipe bomb. a source tells cnn that the united states secret service responsible for her protection that day, swept the interior of the building, the parking deck, the entrances and exits as well as the driveway. but clearly something was missed. again, she was inside the dnc beginning 11:25 a.m. that day. the pipe bomb was discovered at 1:06 p.m. she was evacuated through an alternate route at 1:15, about, p.m. so, again, she was in there for nearly two hours. brianna, this is a further detail, an example of more gaps in security that were present throughout the city that day. when you look at a bird's-eye view of the chaos of the city, law enforcement was dealing with crises that were unfolding in many corners of the city, seemingly minute by minute. but this time frame was particularly crucial because the pipe bombs here were found just
as rioters descended on the capitol. so a chaotic scene here. another example of a security gap. another example, brianna of just how much worse that day could have been. back to you. >> a security gap that obviously needs to be closed. whitney wild live for us at the dnc, thank you so much. we have new cnn reporting on when it could be safe for the u.s. to finally ease covid restrictions. hours from now, the u.n. security council set to hold an emergency meeting to address the crisis in ukraine. this could be a real circus this morning. heated debate expected.
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administration plans to sanction if russian president vladimir putin does decide to invade ukraine. it comes as the u.n. security council meets to discuss the growing concerns over the tens of thousands of russian troops stationed at the border. joining me here is correspondent kylie atwood. kiley, this is an emergency session called by the united states. it could be serious fireworks today. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. this is going to be interesting to watch. this is the first time the u.s. and russia are standing off against nations as russia comes to amass this troop buildup along the border. they said the u.n. security council must squarely examine the facts and consider what is at stake for ukraine, for russia, for europe, and for the core obligations and principles of the international order. should russia further invade
ukraine. this is not a moment to wait and see. those are the words of the u.s. ambassador to the united nations. she said over the weekend the u.s. isn't going to allow russia to use this as a place to spread propaganda. they are going to call russia out if they try and spread disinformation. what that means is the u.s. may call russia out in this public setting. this is an open meeting, everyone. we will be able to see what russia is saying, what the united states is saying. and this is the most public setting they have been sitting at the table together. now, the back drop to all of this, russia continues to amass 100,000 troops along ukraine's border. and the biden administration is very clear they are preparing for the possible situation where russia invades ukraine in the imminent future. just last week, president biden said he was prepared to send u.s. troops into eastern europe, into nato countries in the near future. and we have learned over the
weekend the u.s. is sharpening its options for sanctions, identifying russian elites and russian business officials who say they would sanction if russia does invade ukraine. a lot to watch here. we will see what it comes down to, what this diplomacy on the world stage looks like later this morning. >> kylie atwood, thank you for coming here before you head to the united nations for what will be perhaps a historic morning. an abandoned asphalt factory near kyiv has become a training ground. cnn's sam kiley has more. >> reporter: an a ban danned asphalt factory near kyiv is a training ground for civilians who volunteered to fight off a possible russian invasion. they're out numbered here by journalists and armed at best with pellet guns. they know they will be outmatched by moscow's military
machines. >> it is a crucial moment for our country. we have a really big risk of a russian invasion that might occur. even civilians have to be ready. >> reporter: these men believe it is their country's democracy that vladimir putin fears more than a threat posed by european unions and nato membership. >> all russian citizens are completely slaves. he feels it's a threat because ukrainians gave to russians a bad example. we show our neighbors how each free will must defend his social and national rights. >> reporter: you wouldn't know that ukraine's government says that are issue that has at least 127,000 troops on three sides of the country here in the capital
where there are no signs of impending war. and in the poorer districts, where people hold whatever they can to get by, the mood is similar. >> translator: people are re rel relaxed. it depends. if someone in your family is from the military or the police, it's a completely different world. >> reporter: aged air raid shelters are being opened just in case. the ukrainian government is appealing for calm but at the same time dusting off the soviet-era bunkers because there is a threat to a young country's democracy. this shelter can house about 300 people. it even has a hand-cranked air filtration system. kyiv can shelter 2.8 million of the estimated 3 million residents. in 5,000 bunkers and the metro system.
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new questions this morning surrounding the benchmark for reducing covid restrictions that exist in certain places around the country. somehow experts are making the case that even with the higher rate of transmission it could be safe to ease up. cnn's jacqueline howard joins us now. jacqueline, what's the way people are thinking about this now? >> reporter: john, the way that people are thinking about this, most health officials i've talked to said community transmission is the key metric here. so once a community against transmission down to low levels, that's when restrictions, recommendations, measures can lift. but if you look at the map here, nearly every single county in the united states now is still experiencing high levels of transmission. only a handful, two in rural texas, one in nebraska, one in hawaii have gotten transmission levels down to low. and what i mean by low, that is referring to fewer than 10 new cases per 100,000 people in the past week, and a community has
less than 5% test positive rate. high transmission is 100 new cases per 100,000 people and 10% or greater test positivity. what's happening now in this discussion, john, while we have a highly transmissible variant like omicron, some experts are saying maybe we should rethink what low transmission means. former commissioner dr. scott gottlieb brought it up on face the nation yesterday. he said let's rethink this as we discuss lifting restrictions. have a listen. >> we may need to rethink that. we may need to decide once we get to 20 cases that may be the point where we start to withdraw these things. i'm not so sure we are going to get to 10 any time soon. washington, d.c. is 50. new york is 75. we may stall out at 20. we may have to consider withdrawing a lot of these measures. >> reporter: john, that may be the point.
the national association of city and community health commissioners, said they will have brainstorming sessions what the end of the pandemic might look like starting in april. so we can expect this conversation to continue in the coming months. john. >> jacqueline howard, thank you very much. americans are feeling the squeeze at the grocery store. inflation, coupled with the impact of omicron and the ongoing supply chain concerns, are driving up the price of food and related consumer goods. gabe cohen live in washington with these numbers to tell us exactly what shoppers and americans are dealing with here. gabe. >> reporter: brianna, americans everywhere are seeing these price hikes at the market and even shortages. it's only getting worse as the food spray chain faces skyrocketing costs to get products from farms to store shelves. >> it's real tough. >> reporter: for michael, finding affordable food is difficult. he is battling cancer and living on a tight budget. >> it is hard for me to get out
here and work. sometimes you have to do without some things to eat. >> reporter: grocery store costs keep climbing. produce, meat, cereal and more with overall prices up 9% from a year ago. >> it feels like i'm paying a lot more at the register when i finally check out. >> reporter: big name brands are raising prices. kraft heinz announcing hikes on velveet cheese, kool-aid, joining general mills and camp bells. the entire food supply chain is facing surging costs, congestion, and a labor shortage, which have hardly improved. the number of cargo ships parked off the california coast hit a record high in january, with more than 100 still waiting. even after the ports unloaded
13% more containers than ever in 2021. the cost of in freed kwrepbts, packaging and transportation keeps skyrocketing. >>. >> the extraordinary cost pressures we're seeing across all different businesses is landing in the last resort. >> reporter: omicron is adding to it, peeling workers from health facilities and grocery stores. u.s. port production dropped 8% in just a week with staff sick or quarantined. with fewer employees, distributors are cutting orders to some grocery stores by 20% to 40%. . >> it's been whack-a-mole. one item one day and completely different segment the next. >> reporter: the demand for growers keep surging with inflation as a 39-year high. . >> a lot of times you're limited with what you can get. >> reporter: a recent survey found 37% of customers are very concerned about shortages seen on pet food, paper goods and cream cheese. >> there's just not as many things on the shelves. >> reporter: the biden
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to continue with consumer sentiment at its lowest point since 2011. >> yeah. it's so odd, gabe. i have noticed over and over, there are certain things that i struggle to get. anchovies, which seems odd to me, jalapenos and juice boxes for my kids. >> reporter: it varies week to week. >> it is. thank you for the report. joe rogan responded to the backlash against covid misinformation on his podcast. >> i will do my best to try to balance out these more controversial viewpoints. also overnight, a plea deal reached for two of the men who murdered ahmaud arbery. what it means for their future behind bars. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ people with moderate to severe psoriasis,
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new overnight, joe rogan has responded to the backlash he received over covid misinformation on his podcast. >> if there's anything that i've done that i could do better is have more experts with differing opinions right after i have the controversial ones. my pledge to you is that i will do my best to try to balance out these more controversial viewpoints with other people's perspectives so we can maybe find a better point of view. i don't want to just so show the contrary opinion to what the narrative is. i want to show all kinds of opinions. >> this comes after several artists pulled their content from spotify prompting the platform to add a content advisory warning to any podcast that featured discussion about the pandemic. joining us now, cultural commentator and author of "zero owe clock," c.j. farley.
and commentator s.e. cupp is back with us. joni mitchell, neil young, did they effect change? >> yes. they did. spe spot filed joe rogan to come out and say something about what's going on. they may have underestimated the power of neil young and joni mitchell. back when i was a music critic, i talked to neil young and joni mitchell. one thing i found interesting is how much artists would talk to me about joni mitchell and neil young. they are among the most cited musicians and many said they influenced their work. if they say, hey, there is something about joe rogan's podcast, take a look at it. a lot of musicians, fans really took notice of it.
now spotify and joe rogan are saying notice of it too. >> i personally found it very interesting. what did you think? >> reporter: well, listen, i don't think spotify took a hit to its bottom line. but it's taking a hit to its brand. and i think that's what prompted joe rogan to respond. obviously, he's got his $100 million, and he's going to be fine for now. but, you know, listen, i think spotify ultimately did the right thing here in publishing its rules for creators. it was kind of the wild, wild west before. and also what will happen to creators if they break the rules. two are publishing dangerous information and disinformation. and joe rogan sort of addressed that and what he will try to do to i think he said balance that. but the question will become for spotify, why publish or platform dangerous information or
disinformation at all? and, again, if that comes up against their bottom line or their brand, as it is a little now, they might have to really take that question on in a more full-throated way than they have. >> you know, i don't pretend to understand business, bottom lines and things like that, c.j. what i do know is i can smell fear. i don't think spot phi ultimately cared about not having neil young. they can be fine without neil young or joni mitchell, as great as the music is. but clearly they feared something bigger than neil young and joni mitchell. what would that be? >> here's the thing. they wanted to respond quickly to act like they're engaged. but the statement that joe rogan put out, in a statement that was supposed to be about how he was going to combat misinformation on his platform in the future, he got a key factor on. he cited the song that he
attributed to joni mitchell that joni mitchell didn't sing, "chucky's in love." i think they've got to do more. just to say we have an advisory, publishing platform rules, we will do better in the future and test things out, is it maybe enough to help stall the news cycle but won't be enough to give people confidence on what people are saying on the platform in the future. >> c.j., if he is promising he will balance views, one, do you take him at his word and, two, what does it look like to be effective? >> it is part of journalism. they don't want to accept the responsibility of journalists. it is like someone doing an appendix operation and not washing their hands and saying, well, i'm not a doctor, so i don't have to do that.
you have to balance who you are talking to, checking your facts, being responsible about the misinformation or information that you put in your podcasts. you're a journalist whether you want to say so or not. you have to take on those responsibilities. >> i would joe rogan would say he is not anywhere close to being a journalist. >> he's at a journalist. >> so, did he blink, s.e.? did spotify blink here and does it matter? >> you know, he does this occasionally when there's a backlash to something he has said about covid, for example. he will say i'm not a doctor. and, you know, he says it after the fact and then he goes on to say more things that are untrue. but, listen, he's not a journalist. and we shouldn't view him in that way, the way we don't view tucker carlson as a journalist. tucker carlson's own lawyers at fox news said no one should take
him as factual. this is entertainment. that is the content label that joe rogan and tucker carlson should come for. this is entertainment. this isn't journalism. rather than bending it to fit into journalism, which i think is a lost cause and maybe even a dangerous one, we should allow them to just be entertainers. and that doesn't mean they get to spew nonsense and disinformation without warnings and fact checking. but these are not journalists. we shouldn't make them pretend to be. . >> the 60s are back. long-haired freaky people need not apply. s.e. and c.j., thank you very much. appreciate it. breaking news this morning, vice president kamala harris, when she was the vice president-elect, alarmingly close to the pipe bomb discovered at the dnc last january, days before she was sworn in. and she was next to it or near it for a dangerously long time.
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