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little difficult to predict right now. at this point more than 1,600 flights have been canceled for tomorrow. we're watching that as well. right to cnn meteorologist chad myers. chad, when you say three feet of snow possible in boston, wow. >> and worcester. and maybe parts of rhode island. and possibly even eastern long island. because this is going to be a big event for a long time. two to three inches of snow per hour, up to 10 hours. you don't have to really be a magician to figure that one out. that is going to take a lot of snow. it will take snow removal equipment too. do not expect the roads to be plowed with winds going 50 miles per hour. boston, 24. that's your number. i have seen models this morning at 36. i have seen plates in the berkshires at 43. those are not forecasts. they are just models. models that try to take the atmosphere and put it into numbers and crunch the numbers
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there. new york city, 8 to 12 in the city. but much more in long island. 18, 24 up the long island expressway, it will be deep. the other way, the falloff is rapid. it will go 4, 3, to nothing. there's your winter storm warning. 75 million right now. winter storm warning for chicago with lake-effect snow, four to eight inches that came overnight. blizzard warnings up and down the coast. new york city could put down blizzard warnings or eastern long island. just not there right now. this is 40 to 60-mile-per-hour wind, power lines coming down. this is what the radar is going to look like. this is a forecast radar. one of the models showing you what it believes the snow will look like. we are starting to see snow coming in. very heavy snow all day tomorrow with the wind blowing through
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the houses, through the buildings. a lot of snow everywhere. finally moving away on sunday. we showed you the models yesterday between the european and the american. they both look a lot more similar today. the european there with the 36 for major metropolitan areas around boston, massachusetts. >> they are had he more similar right now. boston on the lighter end seeing as much as two feet. i know this has been difficult to forecast, chad. when do you think it will be more or less locked in. when is the moment when it will be clear? . >> all the weather balloons across america went up two minutes ago. everybody sent the balloons up. they will launch for a few minutes. all that data will go into the computer models. the models will run. eventually by 11:00 a.m., the american model will be run. 1:00 p.m., the european model will come in. by then, they should know exactly what's going to go on
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today >> between 11:00 and 1:00 we will know whether it's huge or potentially epic. >> yeah. >> everyone needs to pay attention and be very, very careful with this. president biden heading to pittsburgh today. the steel city, city of bridges. he will be touting the infrastructure program that he signed into law last year, which includes a billion dollars for 3,000 bridges that are falling apart. cnn's jeff zeleny joining us now. wages are up. inflation is taking a bite out of that. what are pennsylvanians saying? what are they feeling? >> reporter: good morning, brianna. a sense of exhaustion awaits. overinflation, schools, politics in general among so many of the people we talked to, including those who voted for president biden and still believe in him. but others think he isn't getting the credit he deserves and wants to see him more as a fighter. still casting a shadow over so
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much of american life. >> inflation is frustration. filling your tank is expensive. everything is expensive. >> reporter: sally bissey feels the pain. >> i think he has done as good a job as anybody could have done. i don't care who would have been in his position, no republican would have liked him. we're just like that now. >> reporter: here in pennsylvania where biden is visiting friday as part of a new pledge to break free from the white house bubble. >> i need out of this place more often. >> reporter: exhaustion over the pandemic runs deep, including the economy. conversations about how biden is doing are filled with nuance. bookended by inflation at a four-decade high. and the biggest economic growth since 1984. going forward, esther lee wants the president to show more fight. . >> he is kind of a soft spoken,
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easy-going guy. those are his attributes. i would like to see him press forward a little more. >> a little more fire? >> yeah. i've got fire. and i think he should just come forward, move forward on it. what's he got to lose? >> leigh is a long time leader of the naacp in bethlehem. she believes he should sharpen his approach for today's reality. >> i hear him talk about what he used to do, what he was able to do across the aisle. that no longer exists. that's out. this is a different world. . >> as biden kicks off his second year, he wants people here to feel the accomplishments of his firsts, like new roads approximate bridges thanks to the infrastructure law. the seventh district leader here is busy touting that infrastructure achievement. but she knows the mood of many voters is still sour. >> the fact of the matter is, i'm not going to sugar coat it, people have seen increases in
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wages, but they have not kept up with the higher price of goods. >> reporter: facing her own midterm battle, she believes her fellow democrats should move to a scaled back version like lowering prescription drug costs. >> let's not keep knocking our heads against a wall and try to pass a massive bill if what we can get done are smaller bills that will make a difference in people's lives. >> the lehigh economic development corporation said most business leaders, whether or not they agreed with all of biden's policies, saw him as a fresh start. a year later he believes what wasn't been accomplished often overshadows what has. . >> there is not enough understanding of what's trying to be done. that will be a challenge for the democrats coming up in 2022. because you might know a name like build back better. but people don't know all of what's in it. they're not even discussing it.
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>> reporter: now, the president is making his ninth visit since taking office. it may not seem library the second year reset he told us last week at his news conference. it is clear the white house is trying to shine a brighter light on what they have accomplished like infrastructure and economic growth. one union member told me this. if donald trump had one one tenth of what joe biden did, that's all you would be hearing. >> well, it will be interesting to see if this victory lap sticks and if people absorb it. we know you will be watching it. jeff gel any, thank you. >> reporter: sure. how pouzous are american politics right now? someone who spent his entire adult life working in u.s. politics is warning other countries, don't be like us. the uk paper "the independent" told a group of british reporters basically don't let this happen to you. he said this is an s-show. this is a disaster. and it will come if you let it
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happen. joining me now is pollster and communication strategist frank. frank, thanks so much for being with us. a dung show for those who didn't get it here in the united states. what do you see as the dug show? >> the idea that nothing happens, nothing gets done, we delegitimize each other, dehumanize each other. it is happening with woke culture, cancel culture on the left. with populism on the right. and people look to own each other rather than to listen and to learn. what i found in my focus groups the last two or three years is people want to speak. they want to be heard. but nobody wants to listen and nobody wants to learn. . >> and that's different than it is in other places? >> it's much worse in america. i have spent a fair amount of my life in the uk. i got a ph.d. from oxford.
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it's better there. it's actually more respectful, more decent. ask your friends, neighbors family what happened at thanksgiving and christmas. even during this time of this great pandemic, instead of understanding people's concerns, we demonize them, we condemn them, and we have social media to thank for that being presented every single day in the homes of over 300 million americans. . >> what's it like for you as a guy who has worked in part of this system for your entire life to tell people in other countries, don't be like us? >> well, first off, we have to take responsibility. it's the pundits, the people like me, the pollsters, the politicians, and people like you, the press. we're not hearing both sides. we seek to affirm what we believe rather than to inform what we believe. we're not seeking the facts, the
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information, we're seeking to cut people off. and i have a love for the uk. i believe in the special relationship. i believe in what britain has done for us. and it's so important in the uk to learn from us. it's important in aurp and in asia to learn from us. look, these are tough times for a lot of people. and we are expecting things are going to change when we changed administrations. the truth is, the fact is, it is just as bad, if not worse today, than it was a few years ago. and someone like me, who listens to the public and learns from the public every single day, my message to you all who are watching me right now, don't seek to blame, seek to understand. don't condemn before you walk in that person's shoes. we have a lot to learn from each other. >> i'm not seeking to blame here, as you suggest. but you were integral to the rise of newt gingrich in the '90s. go pac. and you worked with him in messaging.
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he said the january 6th select committee should be thrown in jail or will be thrown in jail. >> the best of newt gingrich was the contract with america. the idea that you would be signing on the dotted line. i hope kevin mccarthy does the same thing. you make a public commitment, sign a contract saying these are the things we do. if we don't, hold us accountable. that he wants the best of newt gin gingrich. the worst of politics is talking about jailing people. we have a right to know about our economy. we have a right to know about foreign policy and the threats that are happening right now in nations across the globe. and we have a right to a strong, healthy, vibrant democracy. to give up the rights or to threaten people the way some politicians do, that's why we are in so much trouble. and i say to every politician, to every elected official at least spend the next seven days reaching out, listening,
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learning. it is absolutely appropriate to stand for what you believe. it's appropriate to draw the contrast. it is not appropriate to destroy the lives of people you disagree with. >> you have been honest about our role and your development, your evolution here. how difficult for you has it been to come to terms with your role in this? >> i left. it's why i left the country for eight months. i was getting absolutely -- if you are involved in the political discussions and you tweet, facebook, you are too left wing for some people, too honest for some people. you don't say what you mean and mean what you say for others, honestly, i'm not tkpwoug to use the four-letter word on cnn, but it sucks. i have come to grips with it. i believe it was the reason why
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i got sick. and i'm determined to learn from that. that's why i am so pro-vaccine, so pro-science. i don't want government mandates. i don't want government control. i want people to do the right thing, make the right decisions based on the right reasons. it's why i really appreciate this interview. we're doing this straight. >> to what extent do you feel like you helped create this monster? to what extent do you feel you played a role in it? >> i was never really good at politics. if truth be told, i hated doing the negative. and so i stopped doing it. i wanted to present a positive reason for economic freedom. a positive reason to defend the democracy. a positive reason for a strong american approach globally. i don't want to take down my opponents. i want to convert them. i want to reach them, understand them, empathize with them, and
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then change them. and the problem is that's not what politics is about right now. just take a look at the segments before this. and at what's going on on cable news, social media, and the knelt works. it's all negative. if it bleeds, it leads. and if it's negative as hell, we remember it. that's what's wrong with american politics right now. >> i get you. we led with the bomb cyclone. i do get what you are saying. i want people to know you had a stroke, right? you had a real major health scare? >> yes. and i had it on television. it was being filmed by the la times. and my students were in the back room of the focus group as my arm is getting numb, i can feel it moving across my face. i know i don't aoe nuns wait the way i used to. it is numb. it is nevercomingback. it is why i am so careful and
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why i advocate for making the right decisions on the vaccine. no mandates. just be smart about it. make the right choices. i didn't. i weighed almost 240 pounds. now i'm down to the upper 1830s. and i hope to keep it this way. i'm doing the best i can. but you know what, my sickness is america's democratic sickness. it's a symptom of what's wrong with the country. and if i can get myself right, so can american democracies. >> frank luntz, we wish you the best of health going forward. . >> thank you. >> we wish america the best of emotional, mental and political health as well. let's hope we get all of it. you got it. new developments this morning in the escalating crisis in ukraine. president biden and the ukrainian president zelensky, they were on the phone for an hour and 20 minutes yesterday assessing the risk levels of a russian attack. now, a ukrainian official told
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cnn the call did not go well. the white house pushed back on that hard. joining us now cnn chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins. kaitlan, what do you know? >> reporter: the one thing we know for sure, it was a very long call. an hour and 20 minutes of president biden and president zelensky talking about the situation right now and these efforts to try to defuse the russian standoff. they have over 100,000 troops on the ukrainian border. the pentagon yesterday, they are certainly still adding to the forces. and so there are some different reporting about what exactly was said on this call, how it transpired. a lot of it was about the tone that president biden used when talking about the prospect of a russian invasion. because a senior official, senior ukrainian official told our colleague matthew chance that president biden basically described it as all but inevitable. he said in february it's very
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likely to happen. i was told by a national security official that he did not say it is going to happen but if it does happen it would likely be in the month of february. . >> is biden frustrated with zelensky, kaitlan? >> maybe not the president himself. i don't want to speak to that because we don't have any reporting that shows that. he hasn't said that publicly. i do sometimes think you hear frustration from administration officials because this is one of their number one priorities right now. this is taking up a lot of space in the national security council focus using on this. when biden came into office, he said china was a priority. he wanted to focus that when it comes to foreign policy. now russia is taking up a lot of oxygen in the room. and i think officials recognize that they believe the ukrainian leader has to balance multiple audiences. that's how an official described it to us yesterday. saying of course he is trying not to cause a panic in his country. they have been in a standoff to a degree with russia for several
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years now. and so they are trying to measure that with also telling u.s. officials they believe they need more security assistance, they want the reassurances of the united states and other european allies given they do have russia on their doorstep right now with over 100,000 troops. so i do think there is frustration inside the administration with how ukrainian officials present a call with president biden yesterday, for example, or how they present the situation. ukrainian officials are not always happy with u.s. officials when president biden said they believed it was imminent, they did not agree with that assessment. that is where you believe the messaging that isn't always right in line with each other from both sides. >> i'm taking a look. i try to look at what actions are being taken, what specific things are being announced. there is a meeting with the german chancellor come to the white house february 7th. i always look at the date too. maybe it means internally the united states doesn't think
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anything will happen before february 7th. it also means they are trying to show unity with nato and germany. >> reporter: definitely. this is a new chancellor. before with merkel in office that changed the -- not the thinking of this but she was this longstanding leader in europe. it took a very public-facing role with this. the u.s. has kind of been leading when it comes to trying to defuse tensions of course. responding to the demands from r russia this week. he scheduled this meeting with president biden and the german chancellor in the coming weeks. you have seen the white house talk about how they believe if russia did invade ukraine, all the european allies and the united states are on the same page of how to respond. of course they have this pipeline, this gas pipeline with russia they rely on. they've been more hesitant to
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send security assistance to ukraine. they finally relented and sent helmets to ukraine. i think it will be an interesting conversation to see what is said. when it comes to the timeline, i think u.s. officials realize the olympics are starting in ex week. president putin has been invited to go. they think that could be a factor in the decision here. no one knows what the russian leader is going to do. president biden told you also a few days ago, he doesn't even think top aides know what he is going to do. >> kaitlan collins, thank you. please keep us posted. we have new cnn reporting on how the tensions between the u.s. and russia could have interstellar implications in the space race. and a tennessee school board cuts "maus" from its krubg hrupl. we will talk to a parent about that decision.
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district. what is your reaction to the decision to pull the book from the curriculum? >> thanks for having me. i should say that my young children are not in mcminun county schools. we are all one part of the county. and ultimately they would end up in the county high school. and, you know, my take on the ban is, you know, that i completely disagree with it. this idea of removing the book from the eighth grade curriculum is misguided. this book is absolutely appropriate text for 13 and 14-year-olds who are learning about the profane and brutal story of the holocaust. >> what's your church doing about this? i was fascinated by how you're responding. >> well, you know, my church, st. paul's episcopal here in
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athens decided to host a community-wide book discussion next week. and i think that is an interesting byproduct from this decision that the school board made that we are now in a way -- it's led us to a community read of "maus" and perhaps even a national and global read of "maus." i have heard amazon is selling out of its copies. people are buying them and swapping them all over the place. if kids some mcminn want a copy, all they have to do is drop a note on twitter, and it's done. so there's some global love coming in too. in a way we have used this as an opportunity to have a deeper discussion about how we accompany one another through these really, really hard topics and histories. >> yeah. there is some irony here that the repercussions may be that more kids see "maus" than ever would have before, or certainly pay more attention to it than
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ever would have before. which is irony. maybe it's a good thing. the idea of banning books from curriculum, saying you can't teach this, you can't teach that, what are your concerns there? >> well, i think you interviewed art spiegelman, author of "maus" yesterday. his reaction, his response to this was one of bafflement, which felt appropriate. if you read the minutes from the school board's meeting, you see their objections were not necessarily about talking about the holocaust or having hard conversations about the holocaust. they were objecting to, you know, levels of decent say about, you know, words that are used and leaning on kind of a purity narrative. again, it feels misguided. they are misplacing where the priority ought to be. the priority is we need to be
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able to accompany our kids through this really, really difficult conversation. and "maus," and many other books, are where the hard conversations are able to happen. >> whitney, i know finally you were worried that the school board speaks for you or even the community? >> right. i've seen a lot of backlash across the globe, even on twitter. small towns and any size towns, no one is a monday legitimate. mcminn is not a monday legitimate of opinion on this. many people are speaking up, speaking out. donations are pouring into our public library, both monetary and copies of this book. i think it does a disservice to our communities to think that there wouldn't be voices of
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dissent. around this discussion. . >> whitney coe, i appreciate the discussion. thank you for coming on. >> thank you. the escalating tension between russia and ukraine has astronauts fearing it could spill over into space. a lie about vaccines swirls between sports stars and members of congress. how did this start? we will take a look at the anatomy of disinformation. my asthma felt anything but normal. ♪ ♪ it was time for a nunormal with nucala. nucala reduces asthma attacks it's a once-monthly add-on treatment for severe eosinophilic asthma. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occured. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your asthma specialist about a nunormal with nucala.
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all right. breaking news in from pittsburgh of a bridge collapse, a pretty major bridge collapse. we're told by officials the bridge was covered by snow in the area of forbes and braddock. keep in mind president biden expected to head to that area today to talk about infrastructure. but, again, this bridge has
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collapsed. we are getting word of the smell of gas in the area from the pittsburgh post gazette. the paper says police, fire and ems are responding. you're looking at live pictures from near the scene. obviously, this doesn't show the bridge itself. but it is a substantial structure. no word yet of injuries. hopefully there were no cars there. you can see the emergency crews responding near the scene. we'll get more information for you and bring you updates as soon as we get them. new this morning, fears that tensions on the ground between the u.s. and russia could extend 250 miles up to the international space station. former astronauts tell us the problems on earth could end the longtime u.s.-russia partnership there. kristin fisher joins us with this new reporting. tell us what you've learned. >> reporter: zone, the international space station has always been so isolated from any
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political tensions between the u.s. and russia during its 20-plus years in orbit. i spoke with two of the astronauts on board the international space station the last time russia invaded ukraine back in 2014. they told me that no one on the ground in houston's mission control or moscow's mission control ever once even mentioned the ongoing tensions back in 2014. but this time around, i spoke with a half dozen former nasa astronauts who are worried this time could be different. garrett reeseman, he spent about 95 days on the international space station. he told me that he is worried if this becomes a shooting war that the international space station may not survive. but nasa administrator bill nelson told me he's confident whatever happens the iss operation will continue uninterrupted. listen here. >> isn't that something that
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when our politics are causing us to be at odds with each other that the fact that us earthlings can overcome that around a common civilian space program and cooperate so beautifully in a friendly manner. and this not just be recently but ever since 1975. it is truly one of the remarkable, remarkable stories of our time. . >> and nasa administrator bill nelson is especially confident because the biden administration just announced back in december that it supported extending the international space station about six years to 230 20 30. but, john, so far cosmos has not fully committed to that. talks are still ongoing. let's zoom out and talk about
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worst-case scenario, john. if for some reason russia decided to pull out of the space station, it would be extraordinarily difficult for nasa to continue. astronauts and cosmonauts, they share everything from electricity, to propulsion, to food, to conversations around the dinner table, to exercise equipment, to even their own urine. yes, that's right. nasa astronauts actually go to cosmonauts and say, hey, we are running low on water. can we borrow some of your urine. they recycle it, turn it into water, which they drink and use to make food. as one astronaut told me, if that is not transcending politics, i don't know what is. >> that is a pretty unique relationship. kristin fisher, thank you for this. keep us posted. i know you're watching this closely. >> reporter: you bet. >> i mean, i can't even keep it together after that. i'll tell you the things you learn from kristin fisher.
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so there is a new covid lie making the right wing media rounds. wisconsin senator ron johnson said this on wednesday. >> we've heard story after story. i mean, all these athletes dropping dead on the field. but we're supposed to ignore that. nothing happening here. nothing to see. this is a travesty. this is a scandal. >> no, really. there is nothing to see. there's nothing to see. and here to fact-check this strange new covid conspiracy theory is reporter and editor-at-large chris cillizza. saying something totally verifiable, totally untrue and also dangerous. >> reporter: yeah, brianna. i went deep in terms of investigating this. i googled athletes dropping dead from covid-19. john stockton, former nba great
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who said 150 athletes have dropped dead. in december, gateway pun it did, which is a very pro-trump website that publishes lots of things that aren't true, winked to a study from a site called good sciencing, good sciencing, which said, oh, well, there's all these athletes with myocarditis and pericardia. the problem is, it's just not accurate. some of the people they said are hank aaron, who at 86 died in 2021. it was from natural causes, according to the fulton county medical examiner. they named a danish soccer player who had a heart attack during the euro competition last year. but had not been vaccinated. so it doesn't take a lot of digging. it barely takes any digging at all to find out that this stuff
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just isn't true. the idea that ron johnson would give it a forum with, you know, his stature as a united states senator, it should be shocking. it isn't given his track record. it is still appall, in my opinion. . >> look, they should be forced to compensate all the time, money, and resources used to fact-check it. because the fact doesn't need to be fact-checked. >> no. >> it is absurd and just dangerous. it is absolutely ridiculous. >> reporter: yeah, john. i do think it is. but, remember, we're still in the middle of a covid-19 pandemic crisis here. yes, omicron appears to have peaked in many places in this country. but we're still more than 2,000 people a day are dying. and the vast, vast majority of people are unvaccinated. so it's not -- this is not an esoteric decision. it is a very real conversation. and, again, being in elected
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office should be some level about showing restraint and leadership. in my opinion, johnson isn't show much of either. >> it is really concerning because he appears to believe what he is saying there. his office tried to pass off his comments as a plea for transparency. they say the senator has been pressing for transparency in government, especially in our federal health agencies, so the american people have as much information as possible before they make health care decisions for themselves and their families. i mean, nice try. >> yes. that's true. i mean, yes. i'm all for transparency as well. but because i asked their office for comment on that, i can tell you i was very specific. i said the subject line of the email said senator johnson and dead athletes. it said senator johnson is making this claim that all these athletes are dying. what is the evidence of it and what would you like to say.
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and what they sent back is a fine quote. >> for a different question. >> but it doesn't address the question in any way, shape, or form. again, if you're going to make a claim that all, all, in ron johnson's words, are dead or passing out on courts across the country because of the vaccine, gosh, you better have some evidence of that. and i can tell you having run this to ground, there just isn't any evidence of it. >> yeah. this is the united states senate. it is mind boggling. chris cillizza, thank you very much. >> reporter: thank you. on the right side of your screen, breaking news we're following. a bridge has collapsed in pittsburgh. and the timing of this, this is just hours before president biden is expected to visit the city. we're trying to get a closer look and bring that to you. stand by.
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president biden warning his ukrainian counterpart that a russian invasion is now virtually certain once the ground is frozen later in february, allowing the movement of russian officials. this is according to a senior ukrainian official who said a call yesterday between biden and president zelensky did not go well. the ukrainian leader disagreeing on the risk levels of an attack, officials said. the white house, though, disputing the official's account. let's talk about the situation in ukraine with pentagon spokesman john kirby. thank you so much for giving us your time at such a critical point in this. can you tell us how imminent a russian invasion of ukraine is? . >> well, we have been watching this closely for months. we have said for many weeks that it could be imminent.
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what i can tell you we are not sure mr. putin has made a final decision here. we are watching that closely. number two, he continues to add to his combat capability around ukraine and in belarus. every day he is adding more forces which means every day he has more options available to him. that is what we are trying to discern, what options he might endeavor to pursue. i will tell you we still think there is room for diplomacy. here at the defense department we would like to see that succeed. . >> it seems like the immense here is for february. why has the u.s. assessed february for an invasion? . >> again, we're watching this closely. and i think, you know, we obviously have -- believe that he has the capability right now, if he wants to do something militarily, he's got plenty of forces to do that. we hope he doesn't do that. we want to see him deescalate. but i won't get into specific predictions here about what the timeline might be. again, we still think there is a path for diplomacy to deescalate so there isn't another
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incursion. that is what we are really after. >> do you think russia has kyiv in its sights? >> again, i won't talk about exactly what scenarios might unfold here. we don't have perfect visibility into what mr. putin might be planning and what he might be thinking. what we want to make sure we can do here at the defense department is bolster our allies, make sure that they have the capabilities they need so that we can meet our article 5 commitments to nato if it should come to that. we are looking at ways to bolster capabilities. you saw earlier this week we put on heightened alert, several thousand troops in the states in case they might be needed. that's where our minds are right now. >> and i certainly want to ask you about that in a moment. is that a red line, though, kyiv and other city centers? . >> there should be no reason there is another future invasion of ukraine at all, pwre. nobody wants to see that. that is not going to do anything for security and stability on
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the european continent. there is no reason for this to devolve to armed conflict. there should be a diplomatic path forward here, and that's what we are focused on. but he has capability to do any number of things if he wants to militarily. >> it sounds like there is a tolerance on the part of the u.s. for a limited incursion. the question would be -- you're shaking your head no. >> yeah, no. >> there seems to be an immense, expectations management that that really is a possibility. the degree also matters here is the point that i'm getting at, john. so would that be a red line for the administration if you're talking about, you know, city centers and not just remote areas populated by russian speakers? >> i think the president has been very clear on this, all of us have been, that any incursion, anotheren incursion into ukraine, at whatever level, whatever geography, at whatever
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size and scale, would exact consequences on russia. not just from the united states, but from the international community. nobody wants to see any incursion of any size. >> okay. so you mentioned the troops. how close are the 82nd the 101st and others to actually deploying. >> right now, they have been put on a shorter tether. they have been put on the heightened alert, prepare it to deploy orders as we call it. in some cases, for instance, some of the units have gone from -- they're were in a heightened state of readiness, ten days tecs tether to go, nowe on five days. some are not quite in that state of readiness. we're making sure that they're ready to go on a shorter period of time, in case they're needed. there are no deployment orders that have been issued. the nato response force, which is the vast majority of these troops that we put on heightened alert would be dedicated to, that hasn't been called up or
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activated by the alliance. i don't have any imminence in terms of a deployment order from the states. i will tell you, though, we have tens of thousands of troops in europe, all over the continent. and we're certainly looking at their posture as well, and trying to decide whether we need to make that a little bit more forward-leaning and whether some of our nato allies might want some intrinsic organic u.s. forces that are already on the continent made available to them as well. >> before the invasion? >> well, we're not taking anything on or off the table here. we absolutely would consider the possibility of movement of troops, even on the continent, but, you know, pre an incursion. nobody wants to see that happen. this is about consultation with allies and partners and what their readiness might be, what their self-defense might be. >> moving troops before an invasion? >> we haven't taken that off the table. no deployment issues have been issued, but we have been very clear that that is certainly one
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possibility. >> so you mentioned russian troops amassing on the border. this is a trend. yesterday, you said they amassed. you had seen more of it over the past 24 hours. has that trend continued since yesterday and how much has that buildup increased? >> well, i'm not going to get into specific numbers for the last 24 hours, what i can tell you is what i said yesterday stands. mr. putin continues to add combat capability and forces along the border with ukraine and in belarus. and he's been doing it in a fairly consistent pace now here for the last several weeks, if not the last couple of months. as i said yesterday, it hasn't been chaotic or dramatic in terms of the additions but hasn't been sclererotic either. he's doing it at a fairly consistent pace. >> not very specific, i will say, mr. kirby on that. i was trying to get a little more specificity. i see you're not going to go there. >> no.
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>> the florida national guard, the brigade in ukraine, a lot of americans may not realize, there is troops inside of ukraine, a florida national guard brigade training forces, are you expecting to move them? >> we're going to have to see what happens here. there is less than 200 florida national guardsman on a rotational deployment. we have been doing this for several years. they're advisers and trainers. without talking about where they are geographically in youukrain we believe if we had to make a decision to move them out of there, we could do that in a fairly expeditious manner. there is not many of them. they're still on the ground in ukraine, helping the ukrainian armed forces. we're going to watch this closely. i think the secretary has been very clear, their safety and security is of paramount concern to him. if and when he believes it is time to move them, then we'll do that. >> germany obviously different leadership which it seems may be a challenge for the biden administration as they're
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confronting this threat, germany announced it is sending 5,000 helmets. germany seemed to think this was a good contribution, but that was derided very much as a joke by supporters of ukraine. has germany been helpful enough to the u.s.? has germany taken a strong enough line here? >> it is not about whether they're helpful to the u.s. it is about the allies and partners trying to be helpful to ukraine. every country is going to do that in their own way. germany is a staunch and strong ally of the united states, certainly with inside nato and bilaterally. we value the contributions that they make to the alliance and the fact they host literally thousands of americans -- >> but my point with the helping -- whatever germany doesn't do, you know, for ukraine, the u.s. then has to consider that in its calculus about what it has to do for ukraine. >> every country is going to contribute in their own way and we respect that. these are sovereign states. they have that right and ability to do it. germany is trying to help.
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they are a great ally for the united states. we got troops there now. and, look, i mean, i think everybody, you know, people might have different perspectives about what they're seeing on the ground and what their sense of what mr. putin might do and might not do. the alliance is unified in the concern over this buildup along ukraine and in belarus and the alliance from a military perspective is certainly united in thinking through the options of what we would have to do as an alliance to bolster our self-defense, should article five actually be put in threat. >> all right, john kirby, thank you so much, joining us from the pentagon this morning. we appreciate it. >> you bet. we're following this breaking news out of pittsburgh that we just told you about moments ago. and here is a photo that we have not yet seen until now. this is a bridge that has collapsed. the timing here is ahead of president biden's visit. he's visiting pittsburgh today. you can see vehicles that have fallen down along with that bridge, appears to be even possibly a bus that is
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precariously perched there on that part of the bridge that has collapsed, but not fallen to the ground. we're getting more information. we're getting these pictures and we're going to go there live next. and this comes as millions are bracing for a major winter weather event about to hit the east coast. a bomb cyclone, as much as three feet of snow expected in major cities. we're getting new information on the forecast. it was a tragedy. with knockoff batteries, little miss cupcake never stood a chance. until, energizer ultimate lithium. who wants a cupcake? the number one longest-lasting aa battery. yay! case closed. ♪ calum scott's "you are the reason" ♪ celebrate every kiss. that led... this one. get 20 to 40% off engagement wedding and anniversary rings at k.
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you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning to our viewers in the united states and around the world. it is friday, january 28th. i'm john berman with brianna keilar. there is breaking news. we're seeing the first images of a bridge that has collapsed in pittsburgh. this is the scene there. that's the bridge itself. the photo of that bridge just collapsed. it looks like there are cars and vehicles at the bottom there.
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we are told the first responders are on the scene. officials say the bridge was covered in snow. this was in the area of forbes and braddock. >> keep in mind, president biden this is the timing of this, he is expected to be in the city today to talk about of all things infrastructure, to talk about crumbling bridges. cnn correspondent jean casarez has the breaking details here. that photo tells us a lot, jean. >> yes, it is quite amazing and this is being considered a major incident by the mayor's office. as you can see there, these are live pictures. there are so many ambulances at the scene. and that picture, as you can see, it appears to show vehicles on the ground. it appears to show a bus that is actually perched on top of the bus, as you can see right there. now, here's the one thing, we don't know what the conditions of the people are. we don't know at this point. but on


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